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Eequivalence? >> i think in the case of trump he doesnt want to take responsibility for the fact that he is -- that his rhetoric is incredibly divisive and seems to be inspiring right wing extremists. and you think about what happened in charlottesville, he couldnt get himself to actually denounce these people that were involved in this because he didnt want to do anything that would upset his base. and he hasnt really owned up to the fact that the type of rhetoric that he uses, the way that he ...

>> well, absolutely. at the very beginning, we needed pakistan in order to attack afghanistan. this is probably the only -- one of the only ways we had to get into afghanistan, and the isi, at the time, we have to remember that the isis connection with the jihadi types go back to early 80s, when the isi was entrusted to funnel the money, to funnel the support and to facilitating the training for mujahadin against the soviets. that relationship continues, and many people in pakistan and among the...

At the very beginning, we needed pakistan in order to attack afghanistan. this is probably the only -- one of the only ways we had to get into afghanistan, and the isi, at the time, we have to remember that the isis connection with the jihadi types go back to early 80s, when the isi wasnt trusted to funnel the money, to funnel the support and to facilitating the training for mujahadin against the soviets. that relationship continues, and many people in pakistan and against the isi believe that t...