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Throughout a case that utilities brought saying this is something for epa to deal with it. if no one will deal with it then maybe it needs to be an issue and legislation born from it. >> alec, did you say 61 is news to you? >> it is, yeah. i guessed that the u.s. would be further down than the scandinavian countries because our country is bought out by fossel fuel and big corporations but that is news. yes, it is something to work from. >> maybe convince you to watch tv yet, alec. >> yeah. go, t...