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And that is a chance to expose some of those. im glad cnn reported the story, because i think it will require many businesses to look at whats going on in their own enterprises and determine that -- finally determine that it is not in any businesss interest, because even if they dont lose money because of the reputational loss -- >> absolutely. if these guys are liabilities. theres a lot of soul searching going on. hold your thoughts for one minute. we want to bring in cynthia shapiro, she works...