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Can get insurance. we have to work together the next year to try to get that accomplished. >> so 9 million have signed up in this past year during open enrollment as you understand. >> right. >> that is equal to the previous year, despite a shorter amount of time. on the flip side, 13 million are projected to lose health insurance. how do you put those numbers into context when youre talking about everyday americans, which again obamacare is aimed at helping? >> well, first of all, even though 9...

On this saturday at msnbc world headquarters in new york city. here we are at the half hour. this is what were watching. new reaction after president trump signs his first major piece of legislation into law. that sweeping tax cut plan that also included a repeal of obamacares individual mandate. now, the president predicted that without the mandate, obamacare will be, quote, over. joining us now, max baccus, former senator from montana. he also shepherded obamacare through the senate in 2009. s...

Corre directly or using it as an sclus to bring in a new deputy attorney general that can manipulate and slow down the investigation. im hearing giuliani is under consideration. >> i want to play, noelle, for you, a statement from conservative congressman jim jordan which asking about being a member of house judiciary oversight committees and ill get your reaction. >> have you had conversations with the white house not about the questions you asked but about the mueller investigation in general?...

The deal making over the tax bill. how does it affect the future of obamacare? up next, well ask a former senator who played a pivotal role in passing the affordable care act. stick around. my dads.

The two parties, and i think its also a reminder that wherever this bill goes, whether it ends up becoming law or passing, whatever happens in the senate, ween for republicans who voted against it, they will all still pay the political cost of something that is unpopular now, thats not going to become any more popular with time given everything weve seen in past similar bills over the past, you know, few decades. when you look at democrats who voted again obamacare, most of those democrats ended...

>> well, the reason the cbo makes that projection is because removing the individual mandate. >> right, of course. [ overlapping voices ] >> i feel like individual mandate is one of the more pernicious parts of the affordable care act. >> i understand that. all im asking is whether the president, who said we are going to have insurance for everybody, this bill does not mean insurance for everybody. >> there will be access for everyone. >> but not insurance. access and insurance are different. >>...

Are sub stantively successful, which is to say if they actually were to passed a repeal of obamacare and its signed by the president. thats when youre going to see a sort of nuclear backlash. if ty fa, i think the backlash is less. what do you think of that? >> i think thats right because ultimately people are going to be looking at this through the lens of what does it mean for my own care. if they are successful in putting the lives of millions of people at risk by jeopardizing their insurance...

It ends up becoming law or passing, whatever happens in the senate, ween for republicans who voted against it, they will all still pay the political cost of something that is unpopular now, thats not going to become any more popular with time given everything weve seen in past similar bills over the past, you know, few decades. when you look at democrats who voted again obamacare, most of those democrats ended up losing or having to retire. so there will very much be a political cost attached. >...

Passed. do you think that political gravity acts on members of the senate right now? >> i do. i mean house republicans may have been partying like it was 1999 yesterday, but the reality is that this bill is not going anywhere in the senate. senate republicans understand that. and as michael tomasky pointed out earlier, theres four moderate republicans that arent agreeing to any of this stuff. what he failed to mention, there are three conservative republicans, lee, cruz, and rand paul, that are ...

Bill, good or bad, it wont be insurance for everybody. >> well, the reason the cbo makes that projection is because removing the individual mandate. >> right, of course. [ overlapping voices ] >> i feel like individual mandate is one of the more pernicious parts of the affordable care act. >> i understand that. all im asking is whether the president, who said we are going to have insurance for everybody, this bill does not mean insurance for everybody. >> there will be access for everyone. >> bu...