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Had to figure out a way to fraudulently obtain more money to keep up with his lifestyle. but if he was the campaign manager, during the time when he was essentially broke and owed a lot of money to russians including darapasca, hes very susceptible to infiltration -- >> -- our stance on russia at the republican national convention when paul manafort was the campaign chair. what are you looking for? >> and a month after that infamous meeting in trump tower -- >> correct. >> when donald trump jr. ...

Were concerned it might be stolen on bush, they immediately called the fbi. take a look. >> somebody had stolen it, evidently, from the bush campaign. and mailed it to my close friend tom downey who was going to be bush -- the bush stand-in in debate prep. it wasnt mailed from moscow, but it was mailed from texas. we immediately turned it over to the fbi. and tom recused himself on the whole debate process. >> seth, how does that figure into the analysis? >> sure. i mean, that can be aiding and ...

More and more consumed by it. you look at his twitter feed, constant that he is saying this. and the white house isnt answering questions about the presidents mindset, instead referring us back to rudy guiliani who then in the interviews is making the allegations as he did today, now saying that collusion is not a crime. they seem to be moving the goalpost a bit. before they said the president didnt collude, there was no collusion. thats something we heard from the president on repeat essentiall...

Not the justice department or congress or ultimately the american people believe the story michael cohen is reportedly telling or the story the president of the united states is sticking to regarding whether or not he knew about the meeting. >> anything rudy guiliani says is repeated in the conservative echo chamber, bright paeitbart, news. the reason rudy guiliani is so outspoken is because people listen and take it seriously and repeat it and so whether we -- we can have a sophisticated legal ...

Crime. >> he didnt pay them for hacking. >> whats he trying to achieve? >> it is true, theres no such crime in the federal code called collusion. however, it is unlawful for foreign entities of any kind, individuals, companies to assist in an american campaign. and if you look at the case against the russians who put all those ads on facebook, that clearly was the violation that they made. if it could be shown that people involved with the trump campaign actually helped do that, i think it is qu...

Agree on that. the question is did he commit the crimes he is under investigation for. >> conspiracy is a crime, it is another word for collusion. let me point out, ann melgrum, in the memo the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein issued august 2nd, 2017, almost exactly a year ago, outlining the scope of the russia investigation, rosenstein writes that mueller should investigate, quote, lagsz that paul manafort committed a crime or crimes by colluding with russian government officials with res...

Essentially cooperating with the russians. as you said, conspiracy is a crime, aiding, abetting is a crime. no one said collusion is a separate crime. it is the way the president could have actually committed a crime, which is by working with the russians. it could be as simple as getting that information, coordinating the release of information coming from hacked e-mails or cooperating on social media, influencing an election. >> david swerdlick, it is interesting because guiliani today out of ...

Fully confident of the accuracy and reliability of the information thats been provided by donald trump jr. in the various investigations. of course, wolf, the lawyer for donald trump jr. is trying to tamp down stories precipated by -- precipated by this. >> you lie to congress, thats a crime. >> exactly. well see what happens. thank you very much. joining us, mazie horona, senator, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> you know president trump has repeatedly claimed there was no collusion, ...

Thinks the democrats have a good chance of winning in the same way that he thought in 2016 he was going to lose and hillary clinton was going to win. >> when he wins, its the biggest, most amazing, most historic victory and, you know, no matter what the popular vote was. but if he loses, he is just going to do everything he can to dismiss the legitimacy of it. and that is actually really what the russians want. they want americans not to be able to trust in their democracy or trust in their elec...

Clinton was going to win. >> when he wins, its the biggest, most amazing, most historic victory and, you know, no matter what the popular vote was. but if he loses, he is just going to do everything he can to dismiss the legitimacy of it. and that is actually really what the russians want. they want americans not to be able to trust in their democracy or trust in their elections. and he is aiding and abetting them when he does this. >> this sort of thing is not going to help. current and former ...