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It absolutely can be. where there are unions, they are. >> the point is autoworkers were once janitors, especially, home care aids in terms of what their wages were, social status, the amount pow arer they had -- >> but the period in which he had got paid more was a very different period from the one were living in now. and right now those jobs, i would pause it to us all, without having a solution, are exposed to much fiercer competitive pressures than they were in this golden period when those...