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all right. thank you very much, evan. obviously very significant details. and just all the specifics here, right? five hours, gosh, rudy giuliani would be thrilled with that. what was he saying, a couple but no more than 12? my goodness. outfront, national affairs correspondent for the nation joan walsh. former senior communications adviser to the campaign, jason miller. january 27th, five hours, camp david. this could all be in the rear-view mirror. are you bummed they didn t just get it done? what we don t know is how close the sides were. obviously we don t know if really what the full terms were. this could have been something where maybe the president s team didn t feel that it was that advantageous of a situation for them. but i mean, jason i know we don t know how close, and you and evan are both right to emphasize that. but a lot closer than we ve ever thought anybody was. we had a date, a time, a place. that s pretty specific is all i m saying. you don t get to
and you did have that to have hike, the hour-long hike after the train ride, incredible what you went through to get there. then as you re watching this, will, then the president of the united states comes out and calls off the whole summit. you find out about it. you ask the north koreans that you re with about it. you were at the nuclear site, supposedly dismantling it, and they had no idea? we actually had just left the nuclear site, we were on the train. it was very late at night here when the news broke. yeah, we were sitting around kind of talking about the day, getting ready to go to bed. then i get the phone call from our international desk. there was no on the record immediate response, but a lot of phone calls were made. there was a lot of stunned silence. it was a really awkward and uncomfortable moment. and, you know, i know that we have a response now that s just been issued by north korea s foreign ministry. actually surprisingly restrained. i thought we were going to
Phasing-in process. which was against what the administration had been repeating over did and over, that no, this needs to be quick, then north korea can get its reward for that. you saw them trying to save this. but we know that this big sticking point has been north korea wanting it to be slow and phased, each time they take a step they want something in return. and ambassador, as we see these explosions, right, the images here are very powerful. but do you agree with bob baer that it s easy to test somewhere else, plus look at what we saw with iran, right? giving up a test site is far from giving up know-how and ability to build a nuclear weapon, especially when korea had got ann lot further and had the ability according to u.s. analysis of striking a city in the u.s. as far as chicago? i agree with bob, this was a symbolic gesture. frankly, it could be meaningless. the north koreans have nuclear weapons. they have the ability to test
rudy giuliani s saying, we won t talk about obstruction of justice, we won t talk about what s happened since he took office, it s got to be in writing it s a negotiating tactic but go ahead. that s smart for rudy to do. we ve got russians who have been indicted, it s not that nothing has come of this investigation. i know we re talking about it later so i m not going to say much but we have new information about roger stone coordinating, trying to coordinate with wikileaks. so there s a lot more to be known about this. and it s understandable that the president s now his strategy is to discredit this, call it spygate, and frankly to lie about what s being done. all right, thank you very much. you get the last word as jason had the first. breaking news, for the first time we are seeing what north korea says was the destruction of its main nuclear test site. two, one our will ripley was there. he witnessed it. he is live just as north korea s