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Is not the truth. Is that just misspeaking or part of a campaign of deception . Its time to go deep. Lets get after it. In an on the record interview with reuters, the president says that he could run the probe himself if he wanted. All this coming after his biggest tweet storm yet about mueller and word that his white House Counsel cooperated with muellers probe more than trump might have known. Here to discuss that and much more, former Attorney General michael mukasey. Judge, good to have you...

Anderson Cooper takes viewers beyond the headlines with indepth reporting and investigations. He said that initially. They later reversed themselves and flynn was indicted for making a false statement to an fbi agent. But as point of fact, judge, hes told them things that were not true and things that he should have known and recollected in realtime. Right. Maybe he did. And maybe he did it because he thought there was some impropriety about having the conversation with kislyak. Thats why sally ...

Does the shamelessness and openness of it, put yourself in an investigators role and youve taken the blunt of it and know how these folks are, does doing it in the open as an investigator indicate guilt or just a lack of knowledge that what youre doing is illegal? >> well, i certainly think it indicates the brazenness and probably a lack of sophistication or care what they were doing. you can say youre doing something and have all the intent in the world to do something thats wrong. you know, wh...

>> its actually not respect -- >> those arent exclusive, chris. i think from a legal advice perspective, it is. >> certainly trumps lawyers have taken and thats -- and will continue. >> i think bakari alluded to it. if i were on the trump legal team, id be advising him not to sit down with mueller for both of the reasons you started out with, chris. again, theyre not exclusive with each other. and rudy giuliani, in his examples inartfully talked about who do you believe? is it only one or the ot...

Im not sure this president is equipped to actually function with just mueller and a few investigators because what he will do is lie. what he will do is deceive. what he will do is mislead the investigators like he misled the american public, and hes going to find himself with criminal charges. >> where were you last night? too slow. youre a liar. ken, let me ask you this. >> i was on the grill. i was on the grill. >> too late. you had to think about it. ken, the idea of its not about mueller ne...

>> the human element of this which is she has worked as hard or harder than anyone in this town for more than 20 years. shes got a little time off now, and by god shes enjoying it. theres life beyond politics. just agree. you havent seen her, chris. >> let me ask you this. forget hillary clinton. is there the first question i put to you but you went to the rant parts on this. is there not a game played by all politicians to pretend theyre not ambitious? >> yes. >> they all play that game. >> yes...

Ought to run. theres this game that goes on that i want you to admit to. you wont admit to the gamesmanship. >> the human element of this which is she has worked as hard or harder than anyone in this town for more than 20 years. shes got a little time off now, and by god shes enjoying it. theres life beyond politics. just agree. you havent seen her, chris. >> let me ask you this. forget hillary clinton. is there the first question i put to you but you went to the rant parts on this. is there not...