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Memos. these arent transcripts. gary is in our new york studio. these are memos, theyre not transcripts. could she be right that the lawyer was the only one talking saying this waterboarding thing is legal. thats all im going to tell you. >> clearly, she responded to a lawsuit by amnesty international that stated that she was briefed in april of 2002. so her statements in a judicial process are different than those made under the political process. you know, it demonstrates hostility to the agen...

They got a plea that he was able to plead guilty to planning to use a weapon of mass destruction. they threatened to charge his mother and thats when he started coughing up intel. >> lets hope somebody always has a mom here and -- >> like the underwear guy with the uncle. remember? its twice in a row. >> with the father, you mean. >> with the father and then there was an uncle. its about relatives. theyre able to pinch the relatives to get the bad guys to squeal. >> eric holder went on to see i ...

That it was not being employed. >> so she says she was at a meeting where it was described but she didnt know that it had actually been used a number of times already and yet, according to the documents, she was there when they were talking about waterboarding this guy. so was she simply not listening? did she not have the listening machine turned on? or does she have a case of selective memory? >> not only that, according to this new document from the c.i.a. that catherine herridge or great cor...