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Is in fact some kind of conspiracy either to talk to russia about getting these wikileaks documents or to take money from foreign agents as part of a campaign. those are actual federal statutes. we can talk about that. but whatever collusion means, i think its a way of deflecting and dis tracting from the actual possible conspiracy charges and the things that mueller is investigating. >> let me ask you about, a little psychoanalysis here, but we know now what he was lying about or the fact that ...