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as an excuse to build new coal mines. he was speaking at a un climate change summit where delegates are seeking ways of reducing carbon dioxide emissions. now on bbc news, its hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. im stephen sackur. much of the world is now transitioning from locking down to living with covid—19, and that means that, in cities like london, cultural life is returning, performers are back on stage, audiences can gather to enjoy them. my guest today is the world—renowned hun...

world—renowned hungarian conductor and composer ivan fischer, known for his innovative style. it has been a tough couple of years, so how easy is it to find the magic in music—making? ivan fischer, welcome to hardtalk. lovely to be here. its great to have you here in london. let me ask you, how different has it been making music in the time of covid? covid had positive and negative effects on our life. the problem was that there is no audience and actually we make music for people....

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That to get a shot is a piece of cake. its nothing. so, you can do it even while conducting an orchestra. it was very easy. you know, i have two hands, so i had my right hand keeping the conducting job. yeah? and i discussed with this doctor that i will let the other arm hang and he will give the shot here. and then the doctor came and gave me this vaccine. it was...i didnt even feel it. i have to admit, and i can only hope that hundreds of thousands of people then decided, "0h great, im going t...

Worry, orfear. and i wanted to show, to demonstrate to them that to get a shot is a piece of cake. its nothing. so, you can do it even while conducting an orchestra. it was very easy. you know, i have two hands, so i had my right hand keeping the conducting job. yeah? and i discussed with this doctor that i will let the other arm hang and he will give the shot here. and then the doctor came and gave me this vaccine. it was, i didnt even feel it. i have to admit, and i can only hope that hundreds...

Doctor that i will let the other arm hang and he will give the shot here. and then the doctor came and gave me this vaccine. it was, i didnt even feel it. i have to admit, and i can only hope that hundreds of thousands of people then decided, "0h great, im going to have my second or third or first vaccine." it was all right. in a sense, it fits with your career, because for pretty much a0 years youve been leading, running the budapest festival orchestra and you, it seems to me, youve done it in ...

..god knows what, i mean, i think its a very, very complex group, the anti—vaccination club. there are people who are fanatically, radically against it, and there are others who just have a little worry, or fear. and i wanted to show, to demonstrate to them that to get a shot is a piece of cake. its nothing. so, you can do it even while conducting an orchestra. it was very easy. you know, i have two hands, so i had my right hand keeping the conducting job. yeah? and i discussed with this docto...

You were conducting. why? why on earth did you do that? because there are people who are afraid of the vaccine, they are worried about... ..god knows what, i mean, i think its a very, very complex group, the anti—vaccination club. there are people who are fanatically, radically against it, and there are others who just have a little worry, orfear. and i wanted to show, to demonstrate to them that to get a shot is a piece of cake. its nothing. so, you can do it even while conducting an orchestr...