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Overreaching. what do you say to those people? >> so once again, it boils down to civil service laws that have been in the state 54 years before collective bargaining was in the state of wisconsin in 1959. it goes back to 1905 in wisconsin history, so, the bottom line is something needs to be done and the unions have overreached when it comes to spending money and the governor is sincere in trying to balance the budget in the state of wisconsin. the something has to give and im willing to sacrif...

Willing to give a little bit in that regard, but theyre not willing to give when it comes to giving up their collective bargaining rights. is it fair, since you are not part of the union, to really take a-- >> excuse me to take a what. >> dave: youre not part of the union, correct. so you wouldnt have to give up anything? >> well, the fact of the matter is, ultimately, the civil service laws in the state of wisconsin will apply to protect my rights so thats what im putting my faith in. >> molly:...