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So what these federal judges are doing are digging deep and appointing outside magistrates, outside monitors, to make sure the government is telling us the truth and giving all of the information they have. >> do you think the government is telling us the truth item. >> who can tell? we know that the irs has given conflicting information, conflicting accounts, partial explanations, incomplete document dumps. so given their track record, a certain amount of concern is warranted. >> you talk about...