house this past week, but now the ranking member of the house intelligence committee is speaking out. talked with "cnn today." where does their investigation go now? >> well, one of the big things that both the house and senate intel committees are trying to weigh is just how valuable michael flynn, the former national security adviser's testimony will be. of course, the big bombshell at the end of the week is that flynn said he is willing to testify if he is granted immunity for that testimony. he's offered this up to both of those committees. he has offered it up to fbi and the justice department, but it seems as though the committees in the congress are a little skeptical that there will be any real value in flynn's testimony, at least to the point where they would be willing to take that immunity. this is what adam schiff, that ranking member on the house intel committee, had to stay about it this morning on "state of the union." >> we don't want to do anything that will interfere in any case that the justice department may decide to bring. we also have to determine whether he really can add value to our investigation, whether we
need him to learn information we can't learn from other sources. so it is very early i think even to be considering this. >> we're not ready to consider that. we're not even publicly acknowledging that he's contacted us, and if and when we would talk to general flynn, under what other considerations. we would want to make sure we knew all of the right questions to ask. we're not anywhere close to making those -- drawing those conclusions yet. >> but yet this investigation moves forward, and of course the president himself tweeting this week that he -- encouraging essentially michael flynn to seek immunity as he moves forward in this investigation. just another example of how this situation with russia continues to be a cloud over this white house. >> all right. thank you to ryan nobles, as we turn to matt rivers now in beijing and discuss the upcoming visit with the president of china coming to the mar-a-lago resort there with the president of the u.s. this week. today president trump, in short,
saying the u.s. will take on north korea with or without china. has there been any reaction there yet? >> reporter: nothing official yet, ana, but when we ghetto fishl reaction later on today, which we are expecting here in beijing, i think you can expect the chinese to be as consistent as they have been in the past, which is to say they are rock solid in how they approach this issue. what they've been saying for went over ten years now is that the only way to solve the ongoing crisis in the korean peninsula is through negotiations, whether it is under the kind of framework like the six-party talks that ultimately failed back in the mid 2000s or with a new round of direction negotiations between the united states and the regime in pyongyang. that according to the chinese is the only way you can bring some sort of lasting peace and stability and get pyongyang to stop its weapons development program. of course, on the other side of the equation here you have the trump administration arguing it is actually china that should be using its economic leverage over
pyongyang to get the kim jong-un regime to stop developing these nuclear weapons. china does have a lot of economic leverage. it is north korea's only major trading ally on the world stage. i think when both presidents meet for the first time in mar-a-lago later on this week, this is certainly going to be very, very high up the agenda, given how tense the situation remains in this part of the world. >> matt rivers, our thanks to you. let's talk more about all of this with former ambassador to south korea and iraq, christopher hill. he is now dean of the university of denver. he was also the lead u.s. negotiator of the six-party talks. ambassador hill, thank you for spending some of your sunday night with us. now, when president trump hosted japan's leader in february at mar-a-lago, i think we spoke on that night as north korea hit the launch on a missile there. how likely is that north korea might act out again during the chinese president's visit? >> you know, it is possible they could do it. i mean they tend to do these
things on their own schedule, but certainly there have been expectations and some indications that they may want to do another test, and they -- you know, it could come when they're sitting in mar-a-lago talking about what to do about the north koreans. i don't think it is going to help the north korean cause much, but i think the really interesting thing will be how the chinese size up donald trump and how donald trump sizes up the chinese. >> president trump said today about his upcoming mar-a-lago meeting with china's leader, quote, i have great respect for china. i would not be at all surprised if we did something that would be dre dramatic and good for both countries and i hope so. that was a quote from the interview with "the financial times." ambassador, what would a major deal with china potentially look like? >> first of all, a grace note from donald trump on china is kind of a good sign. usually when you pull a rabbit out of a hat in a summit it is
because you spent a lot of time stuffing that rabbit down the hat, and so we're not really sure any of that has gone on. but certainly i think there will be some -- some effort to say, look, chinese, if you can really, really throttle them back on this through sanctions, work on their access to your financial system, work on your trade of raw materials with them and, you know, meanwhile we'll keep the door open to a lot of things. you know, we're not interested in going right to a military solution here, but we really need some help. it will be that kind of discussion. you know, there's been this kind of desultory thing where the chinese turn to us and say, come on, u.s., we have to talk to these people, and we say, no, you need to do more. in fact we need to work together on this problem. >> president trump has signalled he does not plan to press human rights issues during this visit. why do you think that is? >> you know, i think there's a time and place for that, but i
think there's a broad feeling in the analytical community that north korea is making progress on its nuclear weapons, and it is kind of time that that issue gets front and center in the u.s./china relationship. maybe in the entire international list of concerns. so my hope is that they really will focus on north korea. it doesn't mean that they can't focus on human rights at another time, another place, but i really think north korea ought to be front and center. this problem is coming down the tracks. >> i would also like to get your take on another thing that caught my eye in this "financial times" interview. president trump saying so far he has no regrets about his style or his agenda, but that governing is harder than he thought. ambassador, it kind of seemed like a moment where president trump was humble. is that how you see that? >> well, i think that whole healthcare issue really was kind of, you know, clear to him that this was a lot more difficult
than he thought. you just can't tell people what to do. it is hard to scare people. they want you to show how you're really going to do something to them, so they call your bluff all the time. so if you thought healthcare was tough, wait until he gets a load of the north koreans. i mean these are people who absolutely don't care what anyone else thinks. and so he has to solve this because he doesn't want to face the american people in 2020, having had north korea deliver -- or announce a deliverable nuclear weapon that could reach the united states. and when it comes to china, does his style or his erratic nature help him in any way in terms of negotiating with china? >> well, to be frank, they're not thrilled with iraq. no one is. but they do like decisive. they do like strong. i mean don't forget they got along great with richard nixon. they tended to get along with america's leaders who they perceive as strong and decisive, but they worry about this erratic side.
i think that's why this face-to-face meeting which will go on for -- i mean they're going to have a couple of days down there at mar-a-lago, and i hope they will get to take the measure of each other and perhaps make some progress. >> do you think kim jong-un might be worried about how donald trump would respond? >> you know, this is a guy who seems to be right out of a "mad magazine," what, me worry? type of person. on the other hand, he has to be a little concerned because we're getting to the point where we can't be patient anymore. we can't say, oh, this problem is important, but it is not urgent or immediate. it is urgent, it is important, and i think the united states is really going to have to deal with this. obviously we have to really tighten up those alliances with japan and south korea. that's number one. but certainly number two is a clear understanding with the chinese of what we would do, what we wouldn't do, and we need to get a clear sense of the chinese take this with the seriousness that, frankly, the
rest of the civilized world takes it. >> this white house has said that north korea is the greatest international threat to this country. do you agree? >> i'm there. i mean i think the issues going on in the middle east really can't be left on their own. i mean there are some issues, you try to leave them on their own and hope they go away. that's not going to go away, so that's tough. but i think in terms of a country that kind of threatens us with nuclear weapons, i think we have to take it very seriously, and i would put it right up there number one. i mean the issue is if north korea has a provocation against south korea, they move on south korea in some way, will the united states be prepared to do what we have to do -- which is intervene on south korea's part -- if we're also concerned that north korea might fire off a missile? obviously we can retaliate in a way that would finish north korea. i mean it would become the proverbial parking lot, but is it good enough after having lost many thousands of americans?
i doubt it. so i think this really needs to be taken with utmost seriousness. >> all right. ambassador christopher hill, good to have you on to niechlt thank you. >> thank you. coming up, ahead of a supreme court showdown on capitol hill, some good news for republicans. a third senate democrat has announced support for judge gorsuch, but will the gop get enough dems on their team to fend off a filibuster? i'll have the latest numbers and we will discuss next. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. ♪ ♪ it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. ♪ ♪ e*trade. ♪ ♪ start trading today at etrade.com
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faces some big hurdles. so let's bring in cnn supreme court reporter arian devogue. joining us now, how big of a deal is this third democrat coming to the republican side, saying he will vote for gorsuch? >> reporter: well, anna, the latest democratic senator to come out is joe donnelly out of indiana, and his state voted for trump like the other two democrats. he is furious that mark garland never got the vote, but he says, look, neil gorsuch is qualified. as things stand now, gorsuch is going to need 60 votes for confirmation, and already more than 30 democrats, led by chuck schumer, have said they're going to vote to filibuster. republicans on the other hand say, look, if democrats do that, if they filibuster then the republicans will change the rules. that's called the nuclear option, ana, and that's what we could expect. >> and so if that happens, republicans don't get the 60 votes they need, they go to the
nuclear option, change the rules. i mean does that open a huge can of worms? some have said it could signal the end of bipartisanship period. >> this has been a long time come. justice ruth bader begins burg said, you know, when i went through it i was put to 96-3 and senator half, a republican, was my biggest ally, and now in this climate he wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole. more and more these confirmation hearings are becoming contentious, and one of the key reason is as congress grid locks more of these issues are coming through the court. what this is going to mean, if there is a nuclear option, is that there are going to be more extremist candidates down the road and people are going to believe that the supreme court, the judicial body, is a political body. that's something, ana, that the supreme court justices themselves, they really don't like that.
that really bothers them. >> arianne, what is your gut telling you? any chance judge gorsuch doesn't get confirmed? >> i've got to say right now it sure feels like chuck schumer must have his votes lined up, but the end of the day the republicans feel like, look, if you want to filibuster, we're ready to pull the trigger. the democrats, they're really going here on principle. there was a school of thought that said, look, why do this now? you're replacing a conservative with a conservative on the bench. why not wait to trigger this until you get somebody like anthony kennedy or the liberal ruth bader begins burg. but the end of the day, schumer has made clear the democrats want to pus ahead on this now, anna. >> they're digging in. arianne de vogue. coming up, president trump hitting the greens with senator rand paul. will it be a good fit with his
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rnc mike shields. welcome back and thank you for staying with us. >> thank you. >> mayor, i think it is safe to say the president won't be inviting the president of china out for a round of golf at mar-a-lago this weekend. we know the chinese president is a well-known soccer fan. he has made a policy of actually shutting down golf courses all over china. but they will be meeting at mar-a-lago, golf or no golf. what will you be watching for in this meeting? >> well, first, ana, let me first say that typically is the kind of meeting that would actually take place at the real white house, the one in washington d.c. you know, the president i think has to get over the fact that he's -- you know, he's not just a hotel/motel owner anymore. he's actually president of the united states. how we conduct our business i think is very, very important. you know, the fact of the matter is that president xi jinping is very experienced in his work. he holds three different significant positions in china,
the ambassador from china is leading the preparations for this particular visit. so, you know, they have a sense i'm sure of what they want to accomplish, and, unfortunately, at the moment we have no idea what president trump might try to do other than the rhetoric, heated rhetoric from the campaign. >> well, this gave us a clue perhaps or a little sneak peek of their meeting, mike shields. president trump said this today about the chinese leader's visit. i have great respect for china. i would not be at all surprised if we did something that would be very dramatic and good for both countries, and i hope so. now, in that same interview he said he did not need china's help with north korea, and if they don't want to help, well, the u.s. will go it alone. mike, it seems there are a couple of different tones he is taking with china. >> yeah. first of all i want to talk about mar-a-lago, and i want the viewers to google it. mar-a-lago was actually designed as the winter white house. it used to be owned by the federal government and it was sold off because no one was
using it. it is entirely appropriate for the president not to go to camp david as other presidents have, but to go to what was the winter white house. the reason for that is because you want someone in a setting where you can negotiate. just like work was done on the golf course today with a senator who previously opposed the president on his -- on obamacare, presume went into louisville and did a rally targeted towards rand paul. now they're out on the golf course doing business together. >> wonderful. >> i think the establishment in washington, the media and democrats don't understand how this president operates and that's how you wants it. he is going to say i'm moving past obamacare, and maybe we will work on obamacare. he is negotiating, trying to work out a deal, and he is going to say things to china to send signals to them, and then he will send other signals to them just sometimes to get them off of edge, sometimes to push a policy. in the end, the president is trying to put himself in a very, very good negotiating position and that's what he ran on. he ran on being a negotiator who is going to get america better deals than they've gotten before. so as the process, the sausage
making is happening, it might be confusing to cover it, but behind the scenes he is putting himself in a great position of leverage with all of these countries. >> he did a great deal on the republican healthcare plan. that was just fantastic. that was the -- >> you see he is still negotiating. >> yeah. >> he is still negotiating. >> playing golf. >> instead of the bill written in nancy pelosi's office and shoved down our throats without knowing what is in it, he is negotiating going with regtors to work out a new deal. >> this bill was written by the republicans and rejected by republicans. we didn't do anything. >> that's true, very true, you did not do anything. you didn't do anything to make obamacare better. we will agree on that. >> gentlemen. >> it is going to implode on its own. >> here is what the president has done this week alone. let me put up a list here of some of the things we have been watching this week. maybe didn't make the big headlines, but attorney general jeff sessions threatened to defend sanctuary cities. some of president obama's climate change policies were
undone. chris christie was chosen to lead the fight on opioid abuse. the meeting with the president of china was announced and the president signed executive orders targeting trade abuse. mayor, my question to you is trump supporters point to these items and say, look, he is actually doing a lot. >> well, i mean he is showing up for work. i mean, you know, wherever that might be. i mean you don't get a lot of credit for that. the big things, you know, we just talked about healthcare and that debacle. the travel ban, not going too well. we're on round two. that's not going anywhere. not much talk about the wall anymore. that even republicans don't want to pay for. look, there will be day-to-day activity. you know, mr. trump likes a lot of action. he thinks that that is, you know, reflective of getting something done. it is not. so he is still learning how to govern. that would be a new thing for him. >> meantime, mike, we have the president tweeting this morning that we should all be talking
about surveillance and leaks. i mean how effective are those tweets? shouldn't he be calling more attention to some of the accomplishments? why is he focusing so much on that other issue? >> well, look, i think first of all thanks for putting that up on the screen. i think it is very fair to point out how many things this president has gotten done in the first 65 days of his administration. >> why isn't the president pointing those things out himself. instead he is talking about surveilled yajs and leaks. >> yeah, because he is pushing back on what the media and washington d.c. is obsessed with, which is that they're trying to pin some sort of phoney russia story on him even while tons of people are looking for evidence, and there's no evidence of anything have occurred, and in the meantime ignoring what has been happening, which is people were unmasked completely irrelevant to the russian investigation. >> we don't know that. >> and possibly for political purposes. >> fake news. >> involving the last had.
administration. i think the president is trying to -- he understands he is not getting fair coverage and the way to shoot past that is to tweet to the american people what is going on. i read "the washington post" news letter with 15 stories in it, zero stories about any of the stuff you put on the screen and nine negative stories. of course, the president is going to tweet himself exactly what we should be focused on. thanks for putting it up again. exactly what we should be focused on as opposed to going through "the washington post." think it is entirely proemt for him. >> mike, why don't you read the "l.a. times" which says in clear times the president should stop lying, he should have respect for established organizations, and he should actually learn how to govern. i don't care about the golf. he can play golf. he can play checkers or badminton for all i care. he needs to focus on what the american care about, which is governing, real news and leadership. >> michael nutter and mike
shields, thank you for joining us. we are out of time. we will have you back. >> thanks, ana. >> thank you. >> the white house is chock full of millionaires, that's a fact. as precious few officials in top spots with government experience. so will president trump regret that in a crisis? who will he look to for advice? we talk to president obama's right-hand man for his take on this white house. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." .and hello to t-mobil right now, get two lines of unlimited data for a hundred bucks. taxes and fees included! two lines, a hundred dollars, all in, all unlimited. switch today. you get to do the dishes.ed... bring 'em on. dawn ultra has 3 times more grease-cleaning power. a drop of dawn and grease is gone.
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difficult week was added to the staff suggests that he's going to continue in that practice. but i think the most interesting thing about the list you just gave is that not one of them has served a day in government in their lives. not one of them knows the white house or knew the white house before they arrived. not one of them has dealt with congress before this in an official capacity. >> is that a good thing given that the electorate wanted a change? >> no, i think it is a terribly bad thing. yes, you're right, the country elected someone to kind of blow up washington, take a blow torch to the status quo. but, you know, look, barack obama ran as an agent of change, and he had some experience in government, but he surrounded himself -- i didn't have experience in government, but rahm emanuel, the chief of staff, had been in the leadership in congress and six years in the clinton white
house. pete rouse who was one of his top aides spent 30 years, including as chief of staff to the majority leader in the senate. and throughout the obama white house there were people that had very, very deep experience. it was for that reason that he was able to pass a recovery act, that he was able to pass the affordable care act, and had one of the most productive first two years of any president since lyndon johnson. he would not have been able to do that if he didn't have people around him. but, ultimately, ana, it flows from the top. >> now, the president has this week on a twitter tirade of sorts, attacking the freedom caucus, the conservative republican group, after what happened with the healthcare bill. what do you make of president trump's strategy there? was that a smart move to go on the offense against a group within his own party? >> it is never clear to me what is a strategy and what is an impulse on the part of this president. the fact is a couple of weeks earlier he was -- he could not have been more cozy with the
freedom caucus. in fact, he altered the healthcare bill that was on the floor of the house to please or to try and please the freedom caucus in ways that drove a lot of moderate republicans away. and then on the day that the bill was pulled from the floor, he only had negative words for democrats and blamed democrats for the bill's defeat. so i think if i'm a member of the freedom caucus, i'm getting whiplash listening and watching this president. you know, i think this goes back to a core issue, which is credibility matters when you're president. no one is going to take your threats seriously and no one is going to take your outreach seriously if they don't think that it will have enduring meaning. and he's going to find it hard to achieve his political goals if he shifts from pillar to post based on his mood of the day. and so i don't know whether it is a strategy or an impulse.
>> again, that was david axelrod. you can check out david's podcast, the x files at cnn.com. our thanks to him for the conversation. still to come, a mystery that has left communities in washington dc in shock and fear. why are girls disappearing and does race have anything to do with how police respond? we will take a closer look at this next. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." when you booked this trip, you didn't know we had over 26,000 local activities listed on our app. or that you could book them right from your phone. a few weeks ago, you still didn't know if you were gonna go. now the only thing you don't know, is why it took you so long to come here.
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2017 alone, and 22 cases were unsolved as of wednesday. cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey spent nearly a decade as the police chief in washington d.c. and he is joining me now. chief ramsey, thank you for spending the time to talk about this important issue. i want to talk first about the congressional black caucus now calling for a federal investigation into this. the group sent a letter last week to both attorney general jeff sessions and fbi director james comey, and sessions was briefed on the missing girls on friday. do you agree with lawmakers it has reached a point where a federal investigation is warranted? >> well, i don't know if a federal investigation is warranted, but certainly we take these matters very seriously. if that would lead to some kind of recommendations on how we can decrease the number of children that wind up missing, then it would be worth while. it just depends on the circumstances. >> now, d.c. police tweeted this, saying there isn't a spike in missing people in d.c. we are just using social media
more to help locate them. sorry to alarm you. here is what we know about these messing cases. metropolitan police have seen over 2,000 missing cases, children specifically, a year since 2014. is this the d.c. police department doing enough to make a difference here in this? >> yeah, i think so. there's only so much you can do. you have to remember, these are some alarming numbers but most children are returned home safely within a relatively short period of time after they're reported missing. sometimes it is the result of a custody battle. but there are occasions when kids are abducted, and obviously we take these matters very seriously. in some cases an amber alert is put out in order to get the public involved in helping us locate these children, but the number of children that are missing is something that we're always very, very concerned about. >> so that number, 2,000-ish a
year does not alarm you? >> well, sure, it alarms me. if you've got people who have children that are missing, but it doesn't mean all of those children are still missing. oftentimes a kid will be on his way home from school, wind up going to a neighbor's house and not call home, and you wind up finding the child within a relatively short period of time. >> some of the concern that we're hearing from activists and from these lawmakers and the congressional black caucus is that there seems that there are an abnormal number of minority children who are still missing. and when we talked with the center for missing and exploited children they back that up, saying about 57% are people of color who are missing. why do you think that is? >> i don't know why that is, but it is a disproportionate number of minority children that wind up being reported as missing. again, there's a smaller percentage that are never found, but it is something that's
baffling. if there's something, some research or something that could be done to find out exactly why that is that would be helpful. >> let me read this statement from the d.c. police chief. it says, there is always a concern of human trafficking, but we have no evidence for this. with the number of missing girls being reported in d.c., is there something authorities could do to help calm nerves? >> well, i think what they're doing now, using social media to try to get a handle on what's going on, maybe somebody has seen the youngster and can report that and then the police can locate her and bring her back to her parents, or him, whichever the case may be. but you do all you can to try to locate these kids. now, some are run aways and they don't want to be found, but there are some cases, unfortunately, where kids are abducted, human trafficking is a huge issue that really flies under the radar across the country to a large extent.
so we have to be aware and very vigilant to make sure that our kids don't get caught up in something like that. >> it sounds like the use of social media could be really useful. as you say, it does draw more attention to the issue. maybe that's a good thing. >> well, it is a good thing. again, any time you start using a new tool and you raise awareness, people get the impression that somehow it has gotten far worse than it was before. it is bad any time you have one child that's missing. but i wouldn't say that it is any worse now than it was a year or two ago, but it is a good thing that the public is now focused on this because it is a problem. >> any advice to parents watching tonight? >> talk to your kids. make sure that they know to check in if they're not going to go straight home, and if something does happen pay attention to what is going on. run, scream, fight, do whatever you have to do if it is a case of abduction, but they need to talk to their kids. don't be afraid to talk to them about something like this. and if they are missing or get lost, go to the nearest police
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at the time her devotion was a secret and private affair. people were amazed at her brazenly public act of e devotion. they took their cue from her. they started bringing out their own statues displaying them publicly. they began flocking to her house in solidarity with her. this small house in the middle of a tough neighborhood became a mecca for devotees across mexico. >> so many people come here from all over mexico with their offerings ask prayers and i notice that they all have something very specific they are asking for. whether it's love or a job or protection. when you pray, is there something specific that you ask for?
>> the host is joining me now. why are so many people drawn to santa it muerte? >> for a great many mexican bs. they feel the state have abandoned them. the catholic church rejected them. so they are looking for alternative sources to feel protected and safe. to feel as though they have some control over their lives. and because she is so france action transactional, it's all about asking her for very specific things. which she will deliver to you. she's become the dpo-to saint for those who feel they have no other place to turn. >> interesting. and i understand that there are some catholics who are a part of this devotion, but kat can lick leaders have condemned this. what is the conflict there? >> for the catholic church, it equals demonic worship.
the church clearly says that christ came to defeat death. so the worship of death is somehow anti-christ or anti-christian. many devotees will say that they are catholics. they feel catholic and they just have an extra saint. a great many reject the church altogether and say this is nothing to do with catholicism, but the church disagrees. for the church, this is a cult. it's satan worship. >> as we saw in the clip. you talked to people about their prayers and also mentioned that they are looking to santa for protection. what are they specifically praying for? >> for most people when they think of santa muerte, they
think of criminals and traffickers and people on the fringes of society because they are the ones who flock to this devotion, and that's true. but the fact of the matter is, the devotion has become much more open and much more expanded. what's happened is the argument for saint death is that it doesn't play favors. it doesn't matter you're rich or poor or powerful or powerless, death plays no favorites. she comes for everyone. there's something beautiful about that kind of devotion that brings the most unlikely people together. you will see a rosary of devotees that come together to pray as one.
>> you speak with so much passion. >> you can tell you have gotten into this and it makes it exciting to watch. thank you for joining us. and the. episode tonight here on cnn at 10:00 eastern and pacific. speaking of prayer, basketball fans from washington state and north carolina will be praying tr a big win tomorrow in the ncaa championship. it's basketball royalty. the unc tar heels looking for a suction title versus the bulldogs dreaming of their first title. i remain in first place. i can't believe it myself. . this is our anchor bracket. but in third place, that's the one we have to watch.
kate baldwin, because if unc wins, the office title goes to kate. may the best team and woman win. now i cant help myself. on the women's side, let's talk about the new national champion. the gamecocks defeat the mississippi state bulldogs. at the women's final four in dallas. mississippi state was coming off that historic upset win over the uconn women in the semifinals, but in the end, they came up one win short. the bulldogs sprinted out to an early lead. south carolina persevered and took the lead and never looked back. stay with cnn. we have a great night of television ahead. here at 10:00 p.m. eastern,
beyond those who have been so outspoken to push back on that. will we see other senators come out today and take a flake or corker-like position on that? we'll find out. but right now i doubt it. >> a standing ovation. i want to bring my panel in. robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and bret stephens, an op-ed columnist for "the new york times" and megan murphy, the editor of bloomberg business week. brett, i want to start with you. one trump critic said the ice is beginning to crack. what we're seeing with bob corker, with jeff flake, you're going to see more republicans follow suit. do you think that's the case? >> follow suit in denouncing the president? >> yes. >> or in renouncing their political ambitions. >> fair point. >> this is the key thing. there's a law in economics, gresham's law, bad money drives out good. in a sense what we have is bad republican politicians driving out good ones who are just removing themselves literally
from circulation. there was this conceit among republicans last year if trump were elected, congressional republicans would control him. the opposite is happening. the president has the whip hand and is defining the party in his image. any republican with a conscience or who feels he's accountable also to his grandchildren wants no part of it. so you're going to end up more swiftly than people realize the bannonization of the republican party. >> and is that a good or a bad thing for steve bannon? bob, steve bannon loves this. this is his excuse to get more of his extreme guys in. but the more extreme candidates that steve bannon puts forward, the better chance democrats have of winning because people in the middle can simply say i can't vote for those loons. they are not what conservative principles represent. >> we'll have to see about that because in a state like alabama, where roy moore won the primary against senator luther strange, it looks like that race is
tightening but it's by no means a guaranteed win for the democrats in spite of the candidate's hard-line views on the republican side. but in arizona with senator flake departing, representative sinema has a real shot at being competitive in an increasingly purple state. she has a lot of money in the bank and democrats hope to have what happened in arizona in a few other states. >> then maybe this is exactly what -- all president trump loves, he loves to win today. steve bannon's plan all along has been to blow up the system. that works for both of them. but long term for republicans, how is this a win? >> long term for the party it's potentially devastating and crippling for generations to come. i want to push back on the description of roy moore as a hard line. he is not a fire brand conservative. he holds views which are an
enathma. it would be more understandable if the president had gotten further in his legislative agenda, if they had been successful dismantling obamacare, if the wall had been built, if some of these anti-immigration policies had come in. this is an incredibly unsuccessful administration so far in terms of key legislative priorities with a president whose approval ratings have dipped below 40%, down to the lower levels of what his perceived base is. this is the man that still given the type of statements that he makes, given what we've seen with charlottesville, with gold star families, that still so many republicans with a political -- who are contemplating their political future still resist standing up and speaking out. we still only of jeff flake, bob corker, people who have given up their political future so far. you know, bad money driving out good politicians. it will be much more interesting to see who is willing to come above who has an election at stake and future at stake and is
willing to replicate some of these comments. it is potentially devastating to the future of the party. >> think about the people we know who are inside the white house. how much longer -- >> where are they, stephanie? >> think about what we're doing behind the scenes. i don't know, but out front you ain't doing much. i want to share more of what jeff flake said and think about how his words should impact others who are members of the republican party and the administration. let's take a listen. >> i am aware that there is a segment of my party that believes that anything short of complete and unquestioning loyalty to a president who belongs to my party is unacceptable and suspect. >> and right there, listen, you hear sarah huckabee sanders call bob corker's -- say bob corker and jeff flake, they're grandstanding. their tweets are reckless. when president trump is the reckless tweeter in chief. kellyanne conway has clearly said it's always the president first. as i said before, the full mnuchin.
steve mnuchin has put his entire success and reputation on the line when he gets on his knees and praises to the president in front of the whole entire world. >> yeah, he who tells the most outrageous lie wins i think is the operative political theory of the white house. and the truth is, it's not -- i'm not talking about the morality of it. it's not bad politics. what's happening here, i think what we're fail to appreciate is what's happening here isn't -- it's basically a culture war within the republican party. someone like judge moore stands on one side of that culture war. guys like jeff flake got into politics because they believe in lower taxes, small government, all of the kind of nice, neat, conservative ideas that attracted me to the republican party, you know, in the 1980s. but that's actually not what's happening here. and it's important to understand sort of steve bannon's ideological pedigree. this is a guy deeply steeped in marxist and fascist ideology and
philosophy from the 1920s and 1930s. he's operating on a playbook which is, first of all, take over the institutions. >> how does that square off with good old family values? >> what are steve bannon's family values. >> ding ding ding ding ding. >> what are trump's family values? >> bob, you tweeted that many republicans no longer want to listen to them. is it that republicans don't want to listen to them or is it that republicans are frustrated that not much is getting done in washington? >> i think the frustrationins a the grievance within the republican base are more than just frustration about tax reform being stalled or the health care legislation being put on the shelf. it is about that culture war within the republican party. they see in the party's establishment a group of people who came out of the ronald reagan mold but did not perform, did not -- became part of the washington scene, and so since the tea party movement began
almost a decade ago, there's been this unraveling on the american right that has exploded now into this trump moment, this bannon moment, and no one really knows how to control it, especially leader mcconnell. >> bob, it's not like president trump or steve bannon walked in and said i have the better repeal and replace plan. it's not like there are republicans simply being obstructionists. no one came up with a comprehensive plan that suited all the things that president trump agreed to on the campaign trail and at the same time were in line with the republican principles. >> that would be the normal way of competing for a party's power. >> i'm sorry, i asked for normalcy. >> stephanie, just think about this. support their whole aim isn't scoring a legislative win but just disruption. >> which is steve bannon's role. from the beginning he just said i want to blow the system up. jared kushner has told people i know, look, it's working, we're blowing it up, and leaving nothing on the other side. if they had legislative wins,
much of trump's base would be hurt the most. >> a lot of people felt that way. health care experts thought the health care proposal was about cutting the medicaid expansion, so that's a valid point you've made. >> okay. before we go, bret, when steve bannon gets on the podium and goes after the globalists and the liberal elites, and again i remind you when he goes after those corporate globalists, steve bannon fully funded by the mercers, co-founded by the hedge funding, do we ever take a step back and say many of those who are saying these are bad ideas would benefit. you want this tax plan? great. lots of new yorkers will do really well, lots of people in california. but it's trump's base who actually get hurt. do they not realize if these things went forward, they would be the ones to suffer? >> look, i disagree with your premise. >> go for it. >> i think corporate tax reform and general tax reform, simplifying the brackets, lowering the rates, would be
broadly speaking good for the economy. >> no, no, i agree with you. >> it would be good for the real economy. i'm not just talking about the stock market, speculation economy. >> then why not just be straightforward and honest about it from the get-go. why does the president and steve mnuchin early on say this isn't going to benefit the rich of the just say what it is. >> well, there should always be truth in advertising in terms of your politics. but again, they're not talking about really economic politics. they're talking about fueling a politics of anger and an anger directed, not so much at the wealthy so much as the cultural elites of the coasts, whom they feel benefit the most from this. so sort of seeing this in a policy perspective i think is the wrong lens. >> just in terms of what bob was saying, he's exactly right. if the goal is disruption, they are certainly achieving it. but at what cost? at what scorched earth? at what promises taken away from a generation?
at such a landscape where there is no civility, no discourse, insults. we talked about this before, that is where they comfortable, really taking people down to a personal level. you will wake up at the ending and look at what you have created and you will have sewn the seeds of a new disruptiveness the likes we have never seen. that's what i'm concerned about. that's what i'm concerned about as a parent. this is not the politics of courage. >> and more conscious capitalism and acts of inclusion and extraordinary technology and we have this war raging inside this country. we've got to take a break. still ahead, we've got more on jeff flake's decision to not seek re-election when we talk with a fellow republican who made a similar announcement a month ago. congressman charlie dent of the state of pennsylvania. next, president trump tweeting that he's got great support from many sides. you remember what many sides is for the president. but as republicans try to come
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expect. we believe that we will get faster economic growth that will exceed this 1.5. so we don't anticipate a big deficit effect from this tax reform. >> models with very aggressive assumptions. that of course was speaker paul ryan telling us what to expect from republicans' upcoming tax bill. in today's money, power, politics, nbc news has learned house republicans aim to unveil their plan as soon as november 1st. ben white spoke with senate majority leader chuck schumer for his latest episode of his podcast, politico money. trump tweeted this this morning, working hard on the biggest tax cut in u.s. history. great support from many sides. big winners will be the middle class, business and jobs. but here's what chuck schumer told you on democrats and the path forward. take a listen. >> there is a path forward, but only after this tax bill fails. the hard right, which cares so much about just reducing taxes, it's becoming clearer and clearer they don't care about the deficit, they don't care
even about middle class people, they care about tax breaks for the wealthy and the powerful, has a stranglehold on the republican party right now. and i don't think they'll give it up unless this bill fails. >> is that really the only path, if the bill fails? people want bipartisanship. >> they do, but i don't think democrats have any illusions that they're going to take part on a tax reform bill if the house reduces a bill which is get rid of the amt, lower the tax rate, there's a lot of stuff that accrues to wealthy people. they'll wait and see if trump can slam that through with all republican votes. they assume corker or flake or any of these other people at war with trump could torpedo it like they did with health care and then they could be having a seat at the table to fundamentally change this tax reform bill. >> you and i both know there are parts of this country that are
suffering. they have jobs but not high-paying jobs and haven't seen their wages go up. while corporate taxes are high, the statutory rate is high, corporate america is kicking it. the stock market is enfuego. what about the argument, corporates, they're doing pretty damn well, they don't need a tax cut. >> corporate profits are high, the stock market is high, but you can make the argument and schumer was open to this that the statutory corporate rate is too high. it distorts the way companies do business. they go overseas and do a bunch of weird things that they wouldn't do if you got it down to 25%, got rid of loopholes, then i think you could be talking about perhaps higher paying jobs, more jobs without increasing deficit and the debt. democrats are saying give us a revenue neutral tax reform not tilted to the top and we'll deal on lowering the corporate rate because that would be a good idea to do. >> what's to say that couldn't happen before this bill goes through. the bill isn't written in blood. can't they sit down and say what
are we going to bring to the table? when you looked at the 401(k) offering over the weekend, it doesn't have to be, well, right now you can contribute $18,000 and now it's going to go to $2,400. maybe it's somewhere in the middle. >> let's just say i don't know what a great idea it is to be targeting people's 401(k) contributions. >> yes. but i'm just saying a middle ground. >> maybe they should come to the table sooner and this is a dicey area for them. the same thing in the house where you've seen publicly they say bring us to the table, we want to deal, but they don't want to be seen as collaborating with trump, dealing with trump, because the democratic base despises trump and they don't want to see democrats help him get an achievement. >> but ideology doesn't put food on your table or get you a job. do people care about ideology or do they care about thriving. >> there are two separate threads. the political thread democrats are dealing with in terms of working with trump and the reality of getting something good done for the middle class and the economy. i think they think they can do the second one and the first
one. get the politics right, don't deal with trump on his tax cuts for the rich. let him fail and then go to the table and say we agree. we need tax relief for the middle class and to fix the corporate tax system, and here's how we do it. that's their strategy going forward and we'll see if it works out for them. >> i think everybody needs to get off their high horse and learn to play ball. >> i agree but that's not necessarily the politics that we have. i know it's frustrating. big, deep breaths for all of us. >> ben white, listen to this guy's podcast, it's so good. next, we're going to turn back to our top story. republicans turning on trump. jeff flake part of a growing list of republicans not seeking re-election. another name on that list, charlie dent of pennsylvania joins me next as more of his colleagues follow suit.
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allegedly throwing a rock from a michigan overpass. i hate this story. killing a man. the teens, ages 15 to 17 have pled not guilty. he was a father of four. and a former production assistant has come forward with another accusation against movie mogul harvey weinstein. she says weinstein forced himself over her over a decade ago. this brings the number of accusations to more, ready for this, than 60. weinstein's spokesperson says any allegations of nonconsensual sex are unequivocally denied. i'm going to say it again, 60. president george h.w. bush apologizing after an actress alleges on a now deleted social media post that he sexually assaulted her. heather lynn said bush told a dirty joke and grabbed her four years ago. bush's spokesperson says bush would never under any circumstance intentionally cause anyone distress and most sincerely if his attempt to humor offended her.
emmy award-winning actor and sitcom star robert guillaume has died. his widow says he had been fighting prostate cancer. the jeffersons star was 89 years old. and with jeff flake announcing his retirement from the senate, more than a dozen republican lawmakers have now said they will not seek re-election, but whether or not that is a good thing for the party depends on who you ask. our open chris jansing sat down with a group of republican voters to see what they think. >> conservative values include a free market of ideas and competition, and we believe that that's good. >> some of those challenges are valuable and all of your elected officials should have to answer for those kind of things if we're going to wage war within the party and have this exercise within the party. it should be an effort to move closer to our values. >> i want to bring in outgoing pennsylvania republican congressman charlie dent. congressman, what was your reaction to jeff flake's announcement yesterday? >> well, i wasn't surprised by
his announcement. jeff is one of my best friends in congress. he is my tennis partner, paddle ball partner. because of that speech i'm going to have to let him win a few games now. seriously, he's a dear friend. by the way, he is very philosophically and ideologically conservative. he is very thoughtful, careful, measured in tone. he is a very good natured person. he is a happy warrior. for those of us who have been around more than five minutes here, he was always a thorn in the side of leadership in the house as well as to the appropriations committee on which i served, so jeff, you know, is a guy who would stand up on the floor on principle and he would challenge every earmark in a bill and he would get beaten like a rented mule. but he was happy. people respected him. i have a lot of admiration for jeff flake. i thought he -- i thought he acquitted himself well yesterday. >> he's a true conservative, as are you. just a moment ago, we shared some thoughts from republicans who talked about what they think the republican party represents. it's the same republican party
my mom and dad have voted with for the last 50 years. that is not the party of roy moore or steve bannon, who do not represent conservative principles. given that that is the case, why do so many republicans remain silent in criticizing the president or the way things are moving? >> i can't understand it, stephanie. we've had too many of these emperor has no clothes moments. i've said to my colleagues, it's important to state when you agree with the president, say publicly when you support him but you shouldn't be afraid to check him if he moves in a bad direction or call him out if he does something inappropriate or offensive. i think people are afraid of their bases in too many cases. as an example, we all have constituents and i have some, it's a small minority but some will say i'm not sufficiently pure or sufficiently committed to the cause. i often respond to those folks and say, you know, if i set myself on fire for you, you would complain about the temperature of the flame. i mean that's what we're dealing
with. i think people want us to be honest, they want us to call these things as we see them, and again i think that's a shortcoming of many. so i'm glad that jeff flake and bob corker and others are giving voice to some of these concerns that so many of us talk about privately. >> while there's some republicans that do want that purity that you speak about, others want pragmatism and we know there haven't been legislative wins. is that why so many republicans are backed into a corner here? because while they want to speak out against what's happening to the fracturing in the party, they feel like they don't have a leg to stand on because the president turns and says, well, i'd love to sign some bills but you can't get anything done. >> i will never criticize the president of the united states for being pragmatic, he is that. he's very pragmatic and i'm glad that he is. but at the same time we have a lot of members in congress, frankly on both sides of the aisle, who are very good at telling you what they can never do. they're locked into a no position. they simply can't get to yes. that has been a frustration for me for over a long period of
time. we see it all the time on appropriations bills or on budget agreements. we know we have to enter into a bipartisan agreement, we need 60 votes in the senate, and some people just can't accept that kind of accommodation or compromise. they consider this a dirty word. but our system was designed for people to work together and ultimately find consensus and compromise. if people can't accept that, why would you be in congress. >> compromise is not a dirty word, it's progress. thank you for joining us this morning. i appreciate it. if you let jeff flake win a few games of tennis, no big deal. >> yeah, it is. thanks, stephanie. up next, we'll stay focused on upcoming elections. what twitter is doing to help you figure out who paid for the political ads that showed up in your feed. i want to know why they continue to protect those hateful trolls. i don't want to sound paranoid, but d'ya think our recent online sales success seems a little... strange? na. ever since we switched to fedex ground
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that's a great term. it's like facebook using the word "community." how legit is this? >> you know, whatever. they can say whatever they want. it's like the decency pledge not to sexually harass in silicon -- it's fine, they can say a lot of words and talk loudly. i think the issue is they have got to have tools in place where people can use these systems a lot better and see what's going on on them. they're headed for regulation, all of them. i think that's the fear and so they want to make these announcements that they're very -- they very much want to show things, they very much want to be transparent, they're there for the user. so you're going to see a million of these -- i think they're public relations announcements. >> here's an example twitter says a flagged political ad will look like and what responsibility they have. but at the end of the day, is any of this going to make a difference? this is an unregulated industry. the government didn't move quickly enough. >> right. >> it's due time they get regulated. >> not in every area, but in these areas. everyone else is regulated for
political ads and therefore why is this medium separate. it's a communications medium, it's a broadcast medium, it's a news distribution medium. and i think nobody likes being regulated, i think, in that regard but in this case political ads can be very damaging and very -- they can make -- they're confusing to people who are looking at them and they don't know what they are. and so twitter is confusing enough. not giving enough signals that you're looking at an ad versus content, what content is, who's giving the content is really important. >> will twitter ever get off protecting anonymity? if you think about the trolls that go after you every day. >> every day. >> or go after me every day, they never show their name. they never show their face. what argument remains on twitter's behalf why these people's identities should be protected? >> if we don't grow, we die. that's their argument. it's a business argument. they don't make it explicitly but everything around twitter and facebook is growth, growth,
growth. >> that's every public company. >> but growth is critically important, especially to twitter which has been struggling. they have shown negative growth but if they don't show this is a growing concern, they're already in a lot of trouble in other ways. so i think anything that cuts into growth is something that they think about a lot. >> but that's an argument to be made to their shareholders. >> right. >> when they sit down on the hill and a senator says to them why is it that you need to protect the identity of those who are spewing hate, what could their defense possibly be? >> free speech. they love to do that. again as i said a million times, they consider themselves a benign platform when they become something else and all of these companies pretend they're not media companies. they're not media companies in the sense of an nbc or news corp or something else but they're the new media companies. i think they want all the benefits of being a media company and none of the responsibilities. so responsibility is what i always use, which they don't like that word. >> then you know these companies better than everyone.
before everything went sideways during the election, two years ago would these nonmedia companies have decided to become content creators? >> well, yes, they are content creators. they distribute content. facebook, 70% of news, some enormous number of people get their news through facebook. they have a responsibility to understand and anticipate. one of the parts is anticipating. facebook has a history of doing things and then pulling them back. there was beacon, facebook live with the bullying. why didn't they think of that? why didn't they have tools in place? why didn't they react sooner? they're always sort of -- not facebook, i don't want to necessarily pick on them, but they have enormous platforms. they're like cities and are responsible for what happens in these cities. if there's a crime, they need to have police in place. if there's -- you know, if there's a bunch of trash, they need to clean it up. and i think that's the issue. i think it goes to their businesses. if they create these -- and i call twitter this and i love twitter. but it's become a cesspool in a
lot of ways. we did an interview with samantha bee about a live podcast and she can't take mentions anymore because she said they have gotten so vial. she enjoyed mentions and liked using the product. so if you just want to make a business argument, why do you want a product where the city is a disaster zone. like why is it unpleasant to get around it. so for the vast majority of users, they behave well, you know, they want to have a communication system, whatever one they want, but they have to also have to contend with all this crap. >> but cities only thrive if there's law and order. >> yes. >> so twitter and facebook can't possibly make an argument that we can exist in pure anarchy because they can. >> their argument is we are platforms, we're just serving things and it's just not -- doesn't hold water anymore. it just doesn't. >> they can use the word community all they want, that just ain't true. all right, kara swisher, thank you so, so much.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. i am sorry, but i need to make a correction involving the death of entertainment superstar robert guillaume. he was in shows such as "the jeffersons" and in the sitcom "soap" before getting his own spin-off "benson" where he was a well-known star across america. he was also a broadway actor and appeared in several movies. he had been fighting prostate cancer and he was 89 years old. moving forward, remember that notorious dossier that contained some salacious accusations against president trump? well, it turns out that dossier was funded in part by the clinton campaign and the dnc. a source confirms to nbc news that a law firm representing both retained fusion gps to conduct the research which began in april of 2016 and ended just
before the election. "the washington post" the first to cover the story reports that before that research was retained by clinton's campaign, it was being funded by an unknown republican client during the republican primary. clinton has not responded to the story, but trump himself responded quoting fox news writing, quote, clinton campaign and dnc paid for research that led to the anti-trump fake news dossier. the victim here is the president. i need to bring back my panel. bret stephens and megan murphy. what's your reaction? megan, you first. >> this is not a surprise that the clinton campaign or the dnc funded this research after, we should point out, it was being funded during the primary by a republican challenger. we don't know who that was. this is how opposition research works. the thing that is more troubling is that the campaign and the lawyer involved in this was -- lied about this to several reporters who asked about this. now, that is problematic. it is -- it is a little bit
baffling was to why you would not disclose this. as i said, this is how opposition research works. it wouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the dnc and the clinton campaign were funding this. it contained allegations about their opponent in this. so it is just -- it's kind of am talking point now, frankly, that has been made worse by sort of the mystery and the secrecy around that. i don't think anyone close to the clinton campaign is that surprised about creating this problem out of something that didn't have to be a problem. but it doesn't change the fact of the matter that what is important here and what we should be focusing on is, not even the particular dossier, but what were the campaign's connections to russia? we don't have disclosure and it seems to be tight-lipped around paul manaforte and the rest of the campaign. the journalists are interested in how far the connections go between the russians and the president's campaign. >> we have known for 25 years since bill clinton told us he didn't inhale that every
statement out of the mouth of the clintons is a calculation and truth is always optional. that's the way the clintons have operated for a long time. >> which is also the defense when we call president trump a liar or say that to trump's base, he says, hillary clinton has been lying for decades. >> they are right. by the same token, donald trump lies about everything that comes out of his mouth. but again, megan puts her finger on it, the issue isn't who paid for opposition research. the question is, is it true? and simply the fact that you lied about paying for it doesn't describe it, the potential validity of documents that are unsubstantiated. >> okay, to megan's point where you said, this is a trump talking point, is it? could trump have already put his foot in his mouth calling this the fake dossier? when we don't know that it is fake, it is just unconfirmed. >> he definitely has vested interest in saying the dossier is fake knowing what we know about the allegations in it. russia as we all know, anyone
who has covered this for a long time, know there is nothing that makes him angrier and pushes his button to 140 characters quicker than allegations about russia surrounding his campaign. that's the thing that frustrates him and potentially as we discuss on the show many times, people talk about this and i offer refer to it with watergate with no break-in. it is the anger and attitude to this so unfair and unjust that they are accused about this. as we see, the probe bob mueller is leading is very serious and continues to get people to talk to them. and we do not know exactly where it is going nest, but don't underestimate the firepower of the prosecution staff. >> i should say, the head of fusion gps is glenn simpson, former wall street journal reporter with an excellent reputation. i myself have seen fusion gps documents in unrelated reporting. it's a serious organization. and people aught to -- i think the reason that the trumps go to
140 degrees or decibals or characters is because they fear that at least parts of this dossier con train truth. christopher steel was a well-regarded british spy, the idea that it is all fake is classic trump dissembling. >> then the dnc revelation, does it do anything to represent bob mueller's case? >> look, who paid for this is ultimately irrelevance. what it tells us is something we have known about the clintons for a long time, which given the truth to tell you whether this is milk or water, they will say milk. it is water. >> are they never going to learn their lesson? at the end of the day, things are over, they have had months to say, yep, i paid for it, why continue to not do so? >> i don't know the answer to that question. we should be clear when the existence of the dossier was first publicly reported, it was reported at that time that it was sources said it was funded by the clinton campaign. so it is definitely muzzling to me that they have not just come out at a time that it was more
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wasn't plausible, wasn't believable but it was at least relatively co teernt. to recap, michael cohen and his surrogates on tv had been claiming for months that michael cohen, the president's attorney, facilitated as cohen put it $130,000 payment to stormy daniels who says she had an affair with the president 12 years ago. now, the money came out of cohen's pocket allegedly taken from a home equity line of credit we were told. the president had not repaid it. in fact, mr. trump knew nothing about it they claimed and despite coming as it did in the closing days of the campaign the payment supposedly had absolutely nothing to do with the election. nothing to do with skel change an embarrassing story 11 days before the election. on wednesday night rudy guiliani went on fox and said this to sean hannity about the daniels payoff. >> it's not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> they funneled it through a law firm. >> funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know -- he did?
>> yeah. >> the president repaid cohen, he said, so that that was the damage control. and it's a sign of how well it played that mr. guiliani was back on fox the very next morning to try to clean up his mess, except he didn't, he made an even bigger mess because he blew a hole in perhaps the most important claim that michael cohen had been making, that the original hush payment had nothing to do with the election. cue legal eagle, rudy guiliani. >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of the last gate. cohen didn't even ask. cohen made it go away, he did his job. >> imagine if it came out then, just like that michael cohen's claim that it was just a coincidence this happened less than two weeks before the election became even more laughable. remember, cohen had said he could have made the payment months before but just happened to do it when he did it. just a short time after that fox appearance as all this was blowing up mayor guiliani told cnn he had, quote, carefully coordinated with the president
on his hannity appearance. quote, you won't see any daylight between me and the president, he said. so then yesterday the president put out that string of tweets which were in very lawyerly language expanding on what guiliani had laid out. today, though, the coordination broke down. first on the south lawn and then at joint base andrews, the president knowingly or not made a stunning admission, his surrogate while nice enough had his facts wrong. >> he started yesterday. he'll get his facts straight. he is a great guy. but what he does is he feels it's a very bad thing for our country -- >> i will tell you this, i will tell you this, when rudy made the statement, rudy is great, but rudy had just started and he wasn't totally familiar with every -- you know, with everything and rudy, we love rudy, he is a special guy. what he really understands is this is a witch-hunt. he understands that probably better than anybody. >> so the president of the united states sent out his
lawyer who didn't have the facts straight who had just started to clean up the mess with full confidence. he did not say exactly about what rudy guiliani did not have his facts straight about and guiliani is it not clarify matters with a statement late today. quote, there is no campaign violation, it reads. the payment was made to resolve a personal and false allegation in order to protect the president's family. it would have been done in any event, whether he was a candidate or not. my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but instead my understanding of these matters. now, maybe it's because i did not go to law school, but i have no idea what that last sentence means. quote, my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge, but instead my understanding of these matters. guiliani was apparently referring to his claim on fox and friends yesterday that the president only fully learned about his repayments to cohen, monthly bills totaling nearly half a million dollars very recently. >> he didn't know the details of
this until we knew the details of it, which is a couple weeks ago. maybe not even a couple -- maybe ten days ago. >> okay. wait a minute. so rudy guiliani is saying that neither he nor the president explained -- i mean, they neither explained how it could be that the president who is not known as someone who throws his money around loosely or sometimes at all could have been paying all that money without knowing what it was for and didn't learn about what it was for until ten days ago. so when the lawsuit was filed against him and michael cohen, he never asked anyone about what had happened when he watched stormy daniels on "60 minutes" along with some 20 million other people, he never asked anyone if he had repaid michael cohen? that just seems hard to believe. this morning the president refused to clarify. >> when did you find out what the retainer was being -- >> you're going to find out because we're going to give a full list and people know and virtually everything said has been said incorrectly and it's
been said wrong or it's been covered wrong by the press. just like nbc and abc yesterday covered the story wrong. but you will be finding out. it's -- wait a minute. it's actually very simple. it's actually very simple. but there has been a lot of misinformation really, people wanting to say -- and i say, do you know what, learn before you speak. it's a lot easier. >> learn before you speak, it's a lot easier. the president says it's actually very simple. you would think if it's so simple rudy guiliani would have cleared it up in his multiple tv appearances or his multiple published statements. you now know that the president is someone who believes in thinking before speaking and not having the facts is short coming unless it comes to more than 3,000 false or misleading statements after taking office according to the new york post. >> in all fairness bob mueller worked for obama for eight years.
>> that's republican bob mueller nominated by republican george w. bush who served five years in the obama administration. always good to have your facts straight. now it seems he cannot even keep his story straight. sources tell us that the white house legal team is calling rudy guiliani's performance a fiasco, though apparently they're using stronger language than that, the word they're using rhymes with hit show. here is the cherry on top, the one person other than the president who truly knows everything says rudy guiliani doesn't know what he's talking about, we're talking about michael cohen talking to donny deutsch. according to donny deutsch he said, look, there are two people who know exactly what happened, myself and the president and you will be hearing my side of the story. more tonight on how the white house is handling all of this or mishandling, pamela brown joins us with that. the president saying guiliani needs to get his facts straight. according to your sources how prepared was he before he went on fox? >> not prepared at all. anderson, i'm told by a source familiar with the matter that he had very little information before he went out on fox to
discuss the stormy daniels matter. that he wasn't fully briefed up on all the details, had hasn't looked at paperwork surrounding the case, surrounding these payments and repayment. so essentially he was winging it and flying blind in a sense without having all of the facts. but as you pointed out, anderson, rudy guiliani said that he had coordinated this with the president but yet then the president came out today and undermined rudy guiliani, saying that he needs to get his facts straight before he goes out there and talks. he wasn't specific on how he needs to get his facts straight and, you know, whether he really did coordinate with rudy guiliani. he also sort of tried to explain it away, anderson, by saying he just started. look, he is brand-new, he went out there, just started, go i have him a break kind of thing. well, look, he started a couple of weeks ago, anderson, he has already met with robert mueller's team. rudy guiliani didn't just start when he gave that fox news interview. >> also, i mean, there's no --
there was no reason he had to go on fox news on that day to do this. so you would think if they're choosing to send him out on fox news, that he would have read some papers about it. what is behind -- i mean, do we know what's behind the shifting stories? >> right. and on top of that let's remember rudy guiliani isn't -- wasn't brought on board to be part of the stormy daniels case. i mean, all of that dealing with michael cohen, the payment, so forth, that's run out of new york. rudy guiliani was brought on to represent the president in the robert mueller investigation which makes it even more puzzling that he would go on and just bring up these details that only added confusion. it does seem like there are shifting stories. the president came out today and said the story hasn't changed at all, but best case scenario is it just created a lot of confusion because the president had said aboard air force one he didn't know about the payment michael cohen made to stormy
daniels, then you have his attorney if going on fox news a couple days ago saying that the president had repaid michael cohen for that payment and then we just saw cleanup ever since with that interview raising questions about whether the president lied and whether this was a campaign finance violation because it wasn't reported to the fec. then you had rudy guiliani himself attempt to go clean up with the statement he released today, anderson, saying that there is no campaign violation, that it would have been made whether the president was a candidate or not. and then going on to say the references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but yet he said he coordinated with the president, anderson. >> yeah, i mean, it's -- it's baffling. pam brown, thanks. two legal views now from alan dershowitz also norm eisen. professor dershowitz is author of many books, most recently
"trumped up." >> professor dershowitz, every day there is a shifting explanation and more confusion when it comes to the stormy daniels payment. is it even clear to you at this point what the president's official story is and has this back and forth with rudy guiliani opened him up to even more legal exposure? >> well, it certainly exposes him to criticism. they have not been speaking with one voice or presenting one clear narrative. i think the best narrative they have, i don't know whether it's true or not, is that this guy cohen was on retainer, he was the fixer, he was paid $35,000 a month to fix up all the problems and at the end of the year they would true up and find out if he paid more than he got and the president didn't want to know specifics about any particular cases, he just wanted everything to be fixed. you know, that really does create more political problems than it does legal problems. >> i mean, he has put his client in greater legal jeopardy and also i just don't even understand and i'm not sure they even understand what their stories are.
guiliani says absolutely this had to do with the campaign, then today he said no it didn't and he said also yesterday that the president only found out ten days ago, which is just ludicrous. >> the campaign finance argument, he exposed trump now to being part of a conspiracy with michael cohen. he even hinted that it had to do with the election when he went on fox and friends and talked about how it would have looked if it came out in october. he exposed mr. trump to a felony charge for filing false presidential financial statements because he admitted that there was a debt to mr. cohen that mr. trump knew about it, paid it back. it wasn't on his forms that he filed. and then perhaps worst of all most telling of all on the obstruction front he came up with a third and yet a different story that trump wanted comey to exonerate him. well, that's pressing for a
change in the investigation before it's done. that implicates on obstruction as well as the changing stories. what a disaster. >> professor dershowitz, i mean, to guiliani's point that making this payment and if it had been known during the campaign that, you know, it would have been -- it would have been terrible for the campaign, that flies in the face of everything that michael cohen has said, michael cohen's supporters have said, their whole line has been all along as incredulous an ridiculous as it sounded when they said this this had nothing to do with the campaign even though this deal was done 11 days before the election. >> nobody would believe that. that's not credible. the only credible story they could tell which would be helpful would be to say, look, mixed motives. he obviously didn't want his wife to find out about this, he didn't want his children to find out about this and he didn't want the american public to find out about this. so all of these things were relevant to why cohen paid the money so that she wouldn't
announce, but it was 15 days before the election and the idea that maybe they didn't tell the president about this 15 days before the election, here is an event that could undo his campaign and he doesn't get to know about it, it just flies in the face of cred ult. the idea that michael cohen is on this permanent retainer, the president said he did very little legal work for mr. trump, that he is on this permanent retainer, he just gets this money and mr. trump doesn't know anything about what he is a he doing. i can understand maybe not wanting to get involved in the details as they're happening but the idea that his attorney would not at least call him up and say, do you know what, that stormy daniels issue we took care of it, it was only $130,000, there is this other thing -- i mean, the idea that he wasn't informing him along the way now just seems ludicrous. >> anderson, it's just silly. they've tied themselves into a pretzel in order to cover for the president's statement on air force one standing there in the doorway of the cabin
unequivocally that he didn't know about the payments. now they have to tie themselves into a pretzel. they are simultaneously saying that the president, who once won a spy magazine contest for the cheapest celebrity in america, i believe he cashed a check for 13 cents, that he's going to dish out 35 grand a month without knowing why. it's absurd. i want to give alan some credit because in acknowledging how ridiculous it is that the president wouldn't know about this event from the get-go, he's playing it straight. of course the president knew about this, the problem is that as alan admits, the reality puts the president in deep, deep legal jeopardy. >> norm -- >> guiliani violated -- alan -- guiliani violated the first rule you taught me almost 30 years ago. first do no harm. >> but, norm, don't give me
credit. i'm not on trump's side. i'm not trying to help trump. i'm trying to tell the american public what the law is and what the truth is. i have to tell you that i really do think that if they had played this straight from the very beginning what he did was probably not illegal. when you get to hear that there is this kind of come out before the election and you know it will hurt your family, you know it will hurt your standing, if the president had been straight and paid the money directly in order to avoid this coming out, there would be no crime here. there would be no violation of election laws, there would be no violation of any other kind of laws. it's the story that gets them into increasing difficulties because they don't have a single voice. and the other thing i hope i taught you is when you're representing somebody in a very complicated case, you have to speak with one voice. it has to be a single narrative. it has to be clear and unambiguous. it should be in writing. it shouldn't be off the cuff. it shouldn't be hannity on
television and it shouldn't be this guy saying one thing and the people in the white house learning about it by watching it on television. this has been terribly mishandled. i'm not admitting anything, norm, i'm saying it because i'm not on his side. professor dershowitz, ambassador eisen, thanks very much. there is a political dimension obviously to all of this that is making even republicans a bit queasy, retiring moderate republicans from traditionally blue states. congress charlie dent for one. let's put the shoe on the other foot, he said if a democratic president had paid off a porn star to keep quiet while he was president i suspect we would have oversight hearings. i spoke with the congressman earlier this evening. >> congressman, i know you think congress should hold hearings to get to the bottom of the payment to stormy daniels. can you explain why you think it's congress' business to investigate. >> well, anderson, i would clarify what i said the other night. i said had the shoe been on the other foot, had a democratic president, you know, paid off, you know, a porn star for
$130,000 i'm sure we as republicans would be holding hearings ad nauseam. i'm not really crazy about the idea of hearings, although i think there's probably some level of oversight, committees may want to inquire about what exactly happened here. the bigger issue in my view is credibility. on the one hand the administration had repeatedly stated that michael cohen did this on his own, when frankly very few people believe that. i know very few people who believe that michael cohen out of the goodness of his heart paid the settlement out of his own pocket without the expectation of reimbursement. then it was divulged by rudy guiliani and i believe exactly what he said was that he was in fact -- cohen was in fact reimbursed. i think this is a bigger credibility issue for the president more than anything else. >> the president this morning said that when it comes to rudy guiliani he will, quote, get his facts right. the president didn't clarify exactly what julia en had gotten
wrong. i'm wondering how you interpret what the president is saying. >> that's a bit of a head spinner to me. i've known rudy guiliani for many years and i was one of the first people to endorse him members of congress when he ran for president in 2008. i have a high regard for the mayor, great job he did in new york city when he served there. so i think rudy guiliani was basically speaking truth as he understood it. you know, maybe he didn't say it as artfully as he did in his statement today, but i'm not sure exactly what rudy guiliani said the other day that was incorrect. >> and then he released another statement today, i guess in an effort as he put it to clarify what he had said over the past three days, which if you have to release a statement to clarify what you've been saying that's never a good thing. he said, quote, my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but instead my understanding of these matters. does that clear up anything for you? because i've now read that several times and i still don't
quite understand what it means. >> i was trying to understand that, too. i mean, i think the basic issue that he conveyed the other night and then -- and then again today, he didn't change t which was this, that michael cohen received reimbursement for the payment to stormy daniels. that's the fact. but the truth is the president and others in his administration, press secretary and others had stated just the opposite, that he had no knowledge and the president made a statement on air force one that he didn't seem to have any knowledge or awareness of the whole situation. so i think that's really what the issue is is it comes back to the credibility issue. why would he have not -- why would they have denied any knowledge of this when, in fact, they did know. >> just big picture what do you think is going on here? is the president lying? is rudy guiliani lying? are they both lying? i mean, it just seems they've twisted themselves into pretzels
here. >> i think rudy guiliani was being truthful the other night. maybe he wasn't, again, it wasn't as artful or as delicate as he needed to be in his presentation, but, again, the bottom line is that michael cohen was reimbursed apparently by the president with individual money, not campaign money or corporate money, but his personal money. he reimbursed michael cohen. i mean, that's the story. i always felt that was the case and i don't know anybody -- i can't imagine many people in the country actually thought that michael cohen was going to pay a settlement on behalf of his client without the expectation of reimbursement. i never heard of any la you are who would do that. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. great to be with you as always. we will have more on this after the break including the big picture from carl bernstein who has been out ahead of the story from day one. later, a live report from hawaii's big island where a large earthquake just hit and a volcano conditions to erupt. extraordinary images we will show you ahead.
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a source telling cnn the team is calling it one play at a time, it's as if the players are executing the plays on their own. joining us to talk about it cnn political analyst carl bernstein. the third point in guiliani's statement was about the president's firing of james comey. guiliani wrote that the dismissal of director comey was clearly within the president's article 2 power. while that's certainly true earlier this week guiliani said that comey was fired because he wouldn't publicly acknowledge that the president wasn't under investigation. i'm wondering what you make of the evolving explanation here. >> i think that what we're seeing all together is lying, covering up, cover stories and contempt for the rule of law again by the president of the united states, now by rudy guiliani, by mr. cohen, and it's indicative of this president and this presidency's approach to everything having to do with the mueller investigation and the consequential stormy daniels investigation coming from the
mueller investigation as it were. and we are looking at lie after lie after lie and cover story after cover story after cover story invented by the president, invented by guiliani, invented by mr. cohen. the question is when is the president and the people around him going to say, hey, we're here to tell the truth, here is what happened about stormy daniels, but more importantly in the russia investigation. >> i mean, the president certainly is no shrinking violet when it comes do going after comey but if they weren't worried about comey's firing do you think guiliani would have included that line in his statement today. >> rudy guiliani is capable of being so reckless as we have seen throughout the campaign and as we are seeing now that it's very difficult to parse what he is doing and saying, except that he's trying to throw bombs into the mueller investigation. and that with his partner in this, the president of the united states, he's trying to satisfy what the president of
the united states wants him to do to help undermine and discredit the mueller investigation, the stormy daniels investigation, where they come together. the object of the president of the united states who has lied on a scale that no president in modern times that anybody has heard of about all things big and little, but particularly about this investigation of his conduct and the question of russian collusion and the coverup that has been going on in the white house, whether it's an obstruction of justice or not, that's the bottom line issue in all of this, including what we've seen on hannity with guiliani there and including what we've seen in these attempts to walk back these cover stories. it's all about lying and contempt for the rule of the law. >> and this morning the president said that guiliani will get his facts straight when it comes to stormy daniels -- >> that means a cover story. another cover story. what does it mean his facts straight? i can't believe as the congressman just noted, i know
of no serious republicans that i've talked to who believe anything about the nondisclosure story. >> carl, i have to interrupt. hang on, there's breaking news. right now on michael cohen and hundred, it comes from michael roth felled, the headline u.s. probes cohen over cash he built up during campaign. trump's lawyer took out lines of credit to secure access to as much as $774,000 as race heated up. michael roth felled joins us on the phone. michael, this is literally just been posted, i haven't been able to read the article. explain what you have learned. >> hi, anderson. what we reported is that michael cohen doubled his home equity line right as donald trump was in the height of his political fortunes rising and going into the primary campaign in february 2016. so he closed off his existing home equity line of $255,000 and took out a $500,000 home equity line and we know that he's said he used part of that to pay
stormy daniels nine months after that and furthermore rudy guiliani said this week that michael cohen settled other things for donald trump. we don't don't know whether he used the home equity line for that as well. >> it's interesting. i mean, again, michael cohen has all along said that he did this on his own without consultation with donald trump. this does sound, though, like a far more organized and premedicated, pre thought out plan to get a pool of money. is that a correct reading? >> it certainly seems that way. i mean, he, as i said, he -- he took out an additional $250,000 in ability to borrow against his apartment right at the time when trump was going into the republican primaries and successfully he had been holding a lead against his, you know, more experienced riflevie valls. it indicates that cohen may have been looking to have a stash of cash on hand essentially to
settle problems with throughout the campaign. we reported that tonight also that the southern district is looking at that more broadly in terms of cohen's ability to raise money, like how was he raising money through his own personal assets, like in medallions and real estate potentially to use that for settling problems for trump and whether any laws were broken in that regard. the other thing that we recorded in this story is that in november of 2015 cohen cosigned with his in-laws a mortgage in which they took $529,000 in cash out of an apartment at a trump building so essentially they got $500,000 three months earlier than that. we don't know how that money was used, but, again, the prosecutors are looking at cohen's cash flows, generally speaking, and how he used the money that was available to him. >> obviously you were just reporting what you know and i don't want to go down the road of speculation here, but it just is -- had it seems highly unusual -- it was highly unusual
when michael cohen said that he took out a home equity line of credit for the $130,000, it seems even more unusual that an attorney for somebody -- for a billionaire like mr. trump would stockpile his own money during a campaign if -- i mean, if the idea was to have this pool of money in order to handle things. it sounds like the pool of money would be to handle things without any association directly to mr. trump. >> yeah, and that's what's being investigated essentially. like was cohen doing these things kind of to keep anyone from finding out and, i mean, he has said -- i mean, yes, you're right, it's absolutely an unorthodox way to do things, i mean, period. a lawyer taking money off a home equity line to pay a former porn star is obviously not something that most lawyers would do, especially when, i mean, they essentially send their client a bill and say, you have to pay
this money. so that's definitely unorthodox, but, you know, it appears that cohen was -- at least what's being investigated is what was he doing, you know, secretly essentially. >> yeah. >> i mean, so that's -- that's where we are. >> right. and if it's unusual for an attorney to take $130,000 out for a particular deal, it's even more unusual for an attorney to in advance, you know, refinance his life basically in order to get a pool of money for whatever else may be coming down the pike during an election. i mean, it's really unheard of. i've never heard of an attorney let alone doing one deal using the home equity line but sort of stockpiling money for an effort is just extraordinary. >> yeah, that's right. i mean, but, you know, again, we have to say we don't know -- we know what he said he used 130 that would have allowed him another 100 and change on the home equity line. we don't know how that money might have been used and whether he used it for anything other
than that that you might tradititr traditionally use for and a home equity line. >> carl bernstein, what do you make of this? this has been just been breaking as we're talking. >> once again, the key to all of these investigations is follow the money and follow its lies and particularly when it comes to michael cohen and his relationship to the president of the united states, it's clear by now from what we know that cohen is absolutely essential to what the mueller investigation is doing as well as the southern district investigation in new york, that his use of funds on behalf of donald trump is going to be a big part of an ongoing story. and there's something else of great significance and that is the role of the "wall street journal" here. we keep hearing about fake news from the president of the united states throughout this investigation. in fact, the "wall street journal" with the "washington post," "the new york times," cnn, but the "wall street journal" which is owned by trump's friend rupert murdoch
has done great reporting, not fake news, throughout this year and i think we need to take a look at that, too, as part of this story. right now tonight. because what we are seeing is the effort by donald trump while these investigations are closing in on him in new york, in washington, with mueller, to undermine and throttle and overwhelm the duly constituted rule of law and investigations by the special prosecutor. and now here again we see where these investigations appear to be going and that includes the suggestions that we have of collusion and we don't know if michael cohen figures in the investigation of collusion or not. we know his travels are being looked at in eastern europe by the special prosecutor. so enough of the fake news. >> yeah. coming up next more from carl. we will also be joined by gloria borger. later the president speaks to
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we should say we don't know what he used the rest of this money for, whether it was something relating to president trump or not, but certainly the timing of all this is really interesting. >> right. that's what's the most interesting thing to me aside from the large amount of the sums, of course, of money here is the timing in the "wall street journal" piece which is that the money that cohen started receiving was around february 2016, which as we both know having been there was when his fortunes and his poll numbers started to rise as a presidential candidate. we know he won the new hampshire primary on february 9th, for example, and he became suddenly a serious sacandidate out of al of these 17 candidates. nobody was dismissing him anymore. the question you have to raise is that we thought this was a campaign and i've been told this by people in the campaign, you know, we never expected to win. we never expected to win. and suddenly when he became a
serious candidate, well, maybe they did expect to win and maybe there were other things that had to be dealt with. i mean, i'm jumping to a conclusion here and i shouldn't because this is not my reporting, but i think you have to ask the question about why anyone would need access to the cash and i think they are going to be looking into it according to the "wall street journal," you know, bank fraud about whether cohen was misstating the reasons he needed the money. >> right. carl, if the money was for -- and we know $130,000 of that home equity line was for the stormy daniels payment ultimately which, you know -- but if the money was for other things related to candidate trump, it does raise the question why was this attorney doing this with his own money instead of just having mr. trump set aside a certain amount of money for him to operate with. and i assume the answer to that
would be to have some deniability between the two. >> this has from the "wall street journal" account all the appearances of a campaign slush fund, to pay for nefarious acts that the candidate did not know -- did not want known and the payments were made through his fixer. that is what the "wall street journal" story points toward and it's very interesting because in watergate the key to watergate that really broke everything open was the discovery of a slush fund that was used for nefarious purposes that was meant to be hidden and it carried out the wishes of the candidate. now, that -- i don't want to speculate on where this is going to go, what it means, but it is all part of a pattern that we are seeing in this investigation and dwr from the beginning michael cohen has been key to everything having to do with
nefarious activities in the trump campaign and also figures in the russian investigation. so these matters are coming together now as more and more reporting is being done by the "wall street journal" and other news organizations and by the special prosecutor. >> let me push back on that a little bit. a, you used the term "nefarious." signing an nda with stormy daniels that's not nefarious so we don't know what beyond the $130,000 for stormy daniels for the nda we don't know what the rest of this money was actually for. >> no, but i think we could characterize given what we know about the nda with stormy daniels that this would fall into the nefarious category, certainly until shown otherwise. all i'm suggesting here is the presence of what the "wall street journal" story would seem to have identified as what really looks -- has the appearance of a slush fund. >> and, you know, by the way, anderson, when michael cohen
said that he paid for the $130,000 out of his own -- out of his own pocket, this "wall street journal" story may actually prove that. that, in fact, he did and that, in fact, he may have taken care of other business with this. i mean, we don't know the reasons he took all this money out, but it may prove his point. >> the assumption all along was that he took out a home equity line of credit in order to raise the $130,000 to pay stormy daniels, but again, this seems to indicate this was done before and raised a lot more money than the $130,000. >> and raised a lot more money, for what reason -- it could have been personal, but we don't know. >> carl bernstein, thank you. gloria, we will talk more about this in the next hour. coming up what the president said to the nra and what two survivors of the parkland shooting think about what he's saying now. you've been saving for, you can do it. we can do this. at fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. -whoo!
>> we didn't address it, mr. president. >> because you are afraid of the nra. >> well, fast forward to today, here is what the president said at the nra convention in dallas. >> democrats and liberals in congress want to disarm law abiding americans at the same time they are releasing dangerous criminal aliens and savage gang members on to our streets. >> your second amendment rights are under siege, but they will never ever be under siege as long as i'm your president. >> no mention of those changes he had once called for after the shooting. here is what he said about parkland. >> we're working to improve early warning systems so that when the police are called, when the community sees the red flags, which they saw in parkland all over the place, there has never been a case where more red flags have been
shown, swift action is taken by the authorities. i recently signed legislation that includes more than $2 billion to improve school safety, including the funding for training and metal detectors and security and mental health, mental health is a big one. they don't like to talk about mental health. mental health, that was the number one example in parkland. >> joining me now stoneman douglas high school students david hogg and cameron caskey. we heard from the president shortly after the shooting at the high school, obviously he struck a very different tone than he did today. back then i talked to you you thought he was heading in the right direction when it came to gun control. what do you think today? >> well, you know, he was saying some things that implied that he was stepping forward into the right direction for gun safety in this country and then he had a meeting with some nra officials, a private meeting,
and afterwards he came and claimed that the second amendment was under siege and he was going to defend it. so as to whether or not the nra meeting changed his views, that's kind of up to speculation, but i will tell you that is hopefully the first russian-funded group he has met with. >> and i would like to say i think it really shows what he's doing right now proves where his heart and wallet are and that's in the exact same place. one of the interesting things i thought trump brought it how we don't talk about mental health i didn't tell in one of the recent spending bills they had they cut mental health spending for schools by over $25 million that doesn't sound like improving the mental health system for schools to me. >> cameron, when the president was in that meeting with democrats and republicans he castigated the republicans saying you're scared of the nra. do you believe today he showed that he is scared of the nra? >> i think he is very interested in the money that the nra will bring him and that the nra in turn gets from gun manufacturers. you know, the gun -- the nra
used to boast itself as being an average joe coalition of americans who are trying to protect their second amendment rights and now you will see that they are getting a lot of kickbacks from gun manufacturers. so i don't necessarily think trump is scared of the nra, i think trump is very >> i think people in the situation that would be scared would be the nra. theories this is the first time they had the and vice president come out to the annual convention for the nra. what they are seeing is they are worried because the support we've been getting and the support we'll have in mid-terms. like it or not we don't care if you are exact or republican if you are sported with the nra, you don't stand with kids you stand with the gun manufacturers and people making money off this fear and tragedy that per pet 80s itself. >> david that's where your focus is now. there was a lot of concern i think among supporters of gun safety, gun control, and people who are at the march that after
the march that sort of interest would wane. for yoekz is on mid-terms. is that right? >> exactly. and right now what we are trying to do we have the ambitious goal of getting 90% of high schoolers registered to vote by june. i think it's something we can do. there is over 26,000 high schools across perk. we need every one of them to sign up through head count to create their own voter registration vote to ensure kids get out and vote regardless of opinions. i think one thing we can support on both sides of the ace sell voter participation. right now 18% of 18 to 24-year-olds participate in mid-terms and that's unacceptable. >> the thing is this is just simply about doing your civic duty and voting. and we can get a lot of people registered to vote. but they don't show up at polls when they need to. another thing we are focusing on is making it accessible and easier and making sure people are educated with the vote. and they use the resources we
easily access to know who they're voting for, following everything the candidate is doing and have an educated and effective vote. >> well, cameron kasky david hogg, i appreciate your time ton. thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> we have more breaking news, a disaster on the hawaii big island, a volcano spews lof, toxic gas, the latest from hawaii when we continue. 6,000 feet above sea level. but how do you really know that the beans journeyed to the port of mombasa and across the pacific? that you can trust they're 100% authentic? ibm blockchain. a smart way to track every step, ensuring this coffee did indeed come from 6,000 feet above sea level. and not a foot lower. ♪ ♪
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because of the volcano and erupting more on the street. >> lava is coming out in lelani this is real. >> he at the center are these estates. a resident captured this lava fountain shooting a hundred feet in the air. >> all we heard down the road was boom. what is that? all of a sudden we smell -- we smelled the sulfur. we knew something was happening. within minutes we seen smoke. and now we see all this lava coming across the street. and it's pumping right now. this fissure is opening up. and this is the next eruption. >> the eruptions are part of a massive geological event set off by the collapse of the crater floor. that led to hundreds of earthquakes jolting the big island. >> the tough part about this eruption is it's unpredictable. we don't know which the lava is going to flow.
we are planning actively for every contingency we can think of. >> reporter: and that's an important point there anderson. officials are saying even the most experienced people who study these volcanoes cannot know where the next fissure may rurp and they are dealing with a fourth that opened in the last couple of hours here. and because of that last 6.9 earthquake some 14,000 people lost their power. they're working to get it back on in those places but at the same time they have to watch out for air quality and also the earthquakes and of course if any more fissures open up. >> incredible to see that stephanie thanks. up next the update on the breaking news tide to the wall street reporting that president trump's attorney michael cohen was stock piling money as he sought to fix problems for his boss during the presidential campaign. every fire department every police department
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gates is all to blame here. they're saying he is the one who stole and embezzled money. they're saying he's the one who lied. and now they're trying flip this on the government. rick gates will be the government's star witness, but the defense team is saying how can he be your star witness? rick gates is an admitted liar and he is now cooperating with the government. >> what's next for the trial? what happens tomorrow? >> just day one, we've already seen a lot. but day two we're expecting that the prosecution will be calling two more witnesses. we expect another democratic consultant who worked with paul manafort. we're also expecting to hear from an fbi agent. the prosecution here says that they have a witness list of 35 people that they plan to call, but this trial is really only expected to go three weeks. we saw just how fast this trial moved just in the first day here. so who knows. it could wrap up even sooner. but yes, 35 witnesses of the prosecution is expecting to call. anderson? >> i'm amazed how fast it moved today. jessica schneider, thank you so much. we have new reporting now from cnn's jeff zeleny, more on the
anything russia-related. that -- is it the elephant in the room there for the jurors? or can they do that? >> i have a lot of confidence in jurors in matters like this. the real problem for paul manafort here is there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he paid his taxes. i mean, he got all this money. it was stashed in these foreign bank accounts, and the taxes weren't paid. now like most people who are accused of a crime with a cooperating witness, he's going try to put all the blame on the cooperating witness that is a standard strategy. it rarely works. but it sometimes does. and but it's just going to be difficult for persuade the jury that somehow rick gates is responsible for the fact that paul manafort made millions upon millions of dollars and didn't pay his taxes. >> jennifer, do you agree that that defense strategy, trying to pin it all on rick gates, who is a cooperating witness, that's basically the kind of defense 101? >> it is. it exactly. the problem here is that rick
gates, of course, was not cooperating until after the charges were filed. they were prepared to proceed without rick gates on board. they have all the documentary evidence. like jeff just said, these are individual income taxes that paul manafort lied about, not to mention some properties on which there was mortgage fraud, had nothing to do with rick gates in the hamptons and in brooklyn. he is going to have a really hard time ping all of this on rick gates, for sure. >> the push from the president's allies arguing that paul manafort was nobody on their campaign, he only worked there for four months, i think the president said 49 days at one point. they can try to put all the distance they want between him and the president, but he wasn't the coffee boy. he was the campaign chairman. >> i think the smarter tactic here is to remind people over and over these charges have absolutely nothing to do with the campaign. and even the witnesses being put forward have nothing to do with the campaign at all with the exception of the one sidekick that followed paul manafort over the last 20 plus years or so of his career.
problems. those are not donald trump problems. >> it's harder to blow it out of proportion, jeff, if your title is chairman of the campaign. it seems like a pretty big time. >> absolutely. and remember what's charged with. he is charged with taking millions upon millions of dollars from victor yanukovych who was the pro putin politician in the ukraine. >> ukraine. >> so it's not that this is completely unrelated to the whole russia situation. remember too that during the convention, they changed the platform toe make the ukrainian section more pro-putin. so the entire thrust of the trump campaign, which the issue of a conspiracy with the russian interests remains the heart of the investigation, manafort's presence in the campaign is evidence of sympathy to putin in and of itself. so in that respect, it's not the criminal charges, but who paul
manafort is, is highly relevant to this investigation. >> but jeffrey, if i could just jump in real quick, is there some sort of crime that you're accusing the president of? >> no. >> here? >> no. i'm not. but when you are asking why the president had this fixation with vladimir putin, which apparently continues to this day, and why vladimir putin was so desperate to see donald trump win and hillary clinton lose, and why donald trump was asking russians to hack e-mails, which they did the same day, all of it is relevant evidence to what happened in this campaign. >> jennifer, at some point rick gates himself will have to testify. do you think he'll find anything out about -- will we find anything out about the larger mueller investigation from that? . >> you know, the one way that we could is that when a cooperator testifies, the defense is entitled to cross-examine him or
her about all impeachment material. so if rick gates did things during the campaign that were illegal or go to his credibility, then prosecutors could raise that and the defense could cross-examine on it. you know, it seems from some of the pretrial motions in litigation that the word russia i guess one of the prosecutors said probably won't even be uttered. so it sounds like they don't have that kind of impeachment material that they need to front and that manafort's lawyers will cross on. so i'm suspecting not. but if there is anything like that, that would be the context in which it would be raised. >> jason, president trump has said on more than one occasion about only hiring the best. if that's true, shouldn't the campaign have done its due diligence when it came the paul manafort and figured out if manafort had been operating aboveboard or not? this is a pretty, you know, sleazy track record that the prosecutors certainly have laid out. >> well, absolutely. but there is no such thing as a time machine. and so the fact of the matter is that paul manafort was on board for as i said before, a
relatively shorter amount of time, and he was not the person who ultimately was the campaign manager that took us across the finish line. that was kellyanne, as you know along with steve bannon and a whole host of other folks who were on board. but look, paul manafort, we primarily focused on the convention phase of this, did have a long track record of working with conventions and things like that. but i think one of the other things that i think kind of a little jumbled up in the media is that president trump and manafort weren't particularly close. i don't think that president trump really knew much all about paul manafort's background. these were not two men who would hang out, grab dinner or lunch or chat. >> but to the point the president constantly saying he hires the best, that seems to imply he knows who he's hiring. your argument is he didn't really know this guy even though he went on tv multiple times and talked about what a great guy he was. >> well, he got a mulligan in this one. >> but what's the one thing donald trump knew about paul manafort, which was that he worked for victor yanukovych.
that was basically his only client for years. and the fact that he worked for yanukovych, the pro putin politician in ukraine was good enough for donald trump. that tells you something in and of itself, no? >> but i think the one thing that president trump knew is that paul manafort had convention experience. >> in the '80s. in the '80s. 30 years ago. >> but it's been a long time since there was a real convention fight. keep in mind it had been rite lit rally decades since there was a real convention battle within republican party politics. he wasn't being brought on for any policy matters or any grand strategic vision. he is someone who was going to manage the convention. that was the value he was demonstrating at that particular time. >> all right, jason miller, jeff toobin, jennifer rodgers, thanks very much. up next, the president's trip to florida and his flight from any tough questions or any place he might encounter any tough questions. we're keeping him honest on that. also, breaking news. in the fight over firearms that you can make at home with a
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all on the network you deserve. well, it is july 31st and that give us an opportunity to point something else. the white house has only held three press briefings all month. these things used to be common enough that they were called the daily white house briefing, which meant daily. now you can call them nearly extinct, which makes what you're to be hear fairly odd. give a listen and ask yourself, does this sound like a promise? >> we're here. we're taking questions. we're doing everything we can to provide regular and constant information to the american people, and there is a responsibility by you guys to provide accurate information, and we're going to continue to try to work with you. >> well, she said that may 9th.
that entire month, there were nine white house press briefings. in june, just five. this month, only three. so tell us what was that again? >> we're here. we're taking questions. we're doing everything we can to provide regular and constant information to the american people. >> everything they can do to provide regular and constant information. everything they can do. see, for a minute there, it sounded like sarah sanders was actually promising to provide regular and constant information to the american people. her why they promised the people one thing and is doing the polar opposite, but we haven't had the chance because there have only been three briefings this sara sanders about her promise, take a number. if you want to see the president challenged about why the white house lied about the president not being involved with wanting to buy karen mcdougal's size after audiotape shows he actually was, sorry, you are out of luck. and the same goes for false and
misleading statements like this one just yesterday. the president tweeting a highly respected federal judge today stated that the trump administration gets great credit for reuniting legal families. thank you, and please look at the previous administration's record. not good. the president neglected to point out that the judge essentially admonished him for essentially making orphans out of kids. you can omit, you can rephrase, you can make stuff up. whatever you want, and no one can challenge you. last year anthony scaramucci, the new white house communications director for those ten glorious days, or was it 11, refused to commit to regular white house briefings. the following may the president threatened to replace them with written handouts he said in the name of accuracy. that didn't happen. but it sure likes the idea of reducing transparency and accountability is actually gaining traction at the white house today. president trump, for example, left for his trip to florida this afternoon without saying a word to reporters. and in case you're wondering, that is par for the course.
alongside italy's prime minister yesterday, the president refused to answer questions 16 times in just the last six days. >> thank you, thanks, guys. thank you. >> mr. president, sir, is michael cohen lying? >> did michael cohen betray you? >> mr. president, did michael cohen debev tray you, sir? mr. president, why did you cancel the meeting with vladimir putin, sir? >> well, that's what we're seeing more and more of, unanswered questions and fewer chances to ask them. and in the meantime, the president reportedly is itching for more occasions like he just finished up at tonight, rallies where he can say whatever he wants and hear nothing in return but applause. our jim acosta is in tampa tonight, joins us. this lack of transparency. is there any other reason they're doing this other than the fact they don't want to answer questions about why the president lied and why the white
house, why the campaign i should say, lied about the president not knowing anything about karen mcdougal and ami and the deal? >> anderson, i think the only thing you can conclude, and you're going to hear some folks here, i think, letting their feelings be known at this rally here in tampa, about how they feel about cnn. but anderson, i think the honest answer to your question is that this white house is obviously hiding from the press. they're hiding the president from the press. they are hiding the press secretary from the press. that's the only conclusion you can come to when they've only had five press briefings in the last month of june, and only three press briefings this month. i mean, that is historically at a very low level. now, one thing we should point out, anderson, at this rally tonight, the president went after what he calls fake news. he even talked about fake polls, even though he touted a poll that he said that he had seen saying he was the most popular republican president ever.
it's hard to understand how you can have fake polls but also out the polls show you being popular. but anderson, despite the president going after the press, he just hadn't given us opportunities to ask him very many questions. and i think there really is no other reasonable conclusion other than they just don't like the questions that are going to be asked right now. you know, i've been trying to talk to white house aides about this, and one of the things you hear, and they've said this before in the past is that, well, when the president has a speech, or when he has an event, they don't want to step on the message of the day. well, the president had a speech tonight, and so there was no press briefing today. it is possible they could have one tomorrow, anderson, but we just don't know at this point. >> so there is no idea when the next one might be held? >> say that again? >> there is no idea, it's not a schedule when the next one might be held? >> you know, i think it is possible. i'm pushing these earpieces in my ear just to hear you, anderson. i think it's possible they could hold one perform. but aides are being very cagey
about it. one thing they'll talk about as they have these off camera gaggles when the president is traveling down on air force one, and that sort of thing to various events. but as you and i both know, anderson, that's not the same as having an on-camera briefing with the press secretary coming into the briefing room. you know we used to call them daily press briefings. they're barely weekly press briefings anything. and i think, anderson, the only conclusion you can draw at this point is they just don't like the questions right now. and it's amazing, anderson. you're hearing some of the insults being hurled at us right now. i've been talking to some of these folks this evening, even though they're being pretty negative towards us right now. i answered a bunch of questions from some of these trump supporters here about all sorts of things, a lot more questions than the president has taken from us in recent days, anderson. >> gem acosta, appreciate you being there. thanks, jim. i want to bring in two new voices. one from david axelrod with long white house experience managing the message. and carl bernstein, who has even longer experience holding presidents accountable,
including this one, shares a buyline on the michael cohen scoop. everyone has issues with the preside press. have you ever seen a white house that has had this many issues with the press? >> well, i've never seen a white house who has had many, many issues, not just issues with the press, but every -- this is a precedent-shattering white house. and particularly when it comes to issues of transparency and disclosure, starting with the president's refusal to release his tax returns and running through a whole series of things. i think the important thing, though, here is beyond not answering questions about michael cohen and the probe which are uncomfortable, we've also seen the practice suspended of briefing people, briefing the press when the president speaks to foreign leaders. we are only -- americans are only finding out what the president has said in their name from reports from foreign governments. it's two weeks later. we still don't know what was said between him and vladimir
putin. i mean, there are fundamental things, bits of information that the american people deserve, and, you know, the bottom line is this president doesn't believe that he has any obligation to share that information with people. he calls the press the enemy of the people. he conflates his political interest with the public interest. and he thinks that reporting is a hostile act. >> yeah, the fact is we're not even sure he has told his secretary of state or his secretary of defense exactly what was discussed with vladimir putin in that meeting. it's not clear from their own -- from pompeo's testimony that he really has a full read-out from the president. >> right. >> carl, you fought with many white houses over the years trying to get your questions answered. nixon's secretary ron ziegler had a famously adversarial relationship with the press. how would you describe things
now? >> i think it's far worse. news organizations from "the washington post" to "the new york times" to cnn, ap, reuters are doing some of the greatest reporting we have ever seen on a presidency. and the result is that the american people understand what the facts are. they can make up their own minds about it because of our reporting. the idea that somehow we would expect this president, this presidency, this administration to be anything like open or transparent or honest or truthful at this stage of the game is absurd on our part. and we're doing the right thing by doing our reporting. donald trump is the president of his base. he makes no attempt to be the president of all the people of this country. and part of appealing to his base is to make the conduct of the press the issue rather than the conduct of donald trump and his presidency. so that's where we are, and the great part of this, as opposed to the part that we ought to be
terrified about is that we're doing the reporting. and that's really why he is so upset, why he is so furious, why he is going to ground the way he is, because we have raised the questions about what is truthful, particularly about his relationship with putin, particularly about his relationship with michael cohen. we've raised the questions. they're out there, and the people of this country know that they're out there. >> david, to carl's point, it's not just about making the press the enemy, it's making nfl players the enemy at times when it suits the president, or making, you know, undocumented immigrants the enemy, or whomever it may be to suit the president's needs at any given time. i want to ask you, though, about comparing to the obama administration. because kaitlan collins was barred last week from attending an event in the rose garden at the white house, didn't like questions she asked. obviously the white house has issues with cnn and their
coverage there are those who say look at the obama administration. they didn't always give the same access to fox news as everyone else or the same number of introduce. to that you say what? is that a fair comparison? >> i don't -- no, i don't think it's a fair comparison because they never boxed fox reporters from doing their jobs. i talked to fox news reporters all the time when i was in the white house. they asked questions at presidential press conferences and so on. i don't think it's -- look, as you pointed out at the beginning, every president is irritated at times by their coverage, but most presidents understand that that is part of the obligation of the job. that a free press is enshrined in the first amendment for a reason. but i just want to react to one thing that carl said. it's not just that he's using the press as a foil with his base. he is trying to impeach the media so that when facts are
reported that are inconvenient to him, he can dismiss them as political in nature. and that to me is a very insidious thing. that's really, you know -- that is the stuff of autocratic states. and so while i agree with carl that the reporting has been aggressive, it's been thorough, it's been critical, there is still concern about a president who doesn't really believe in a free press. >> and carl, it is not just the lack of press briefings. you know, the president himself still hasn't directly answered questions about why his campaign lied about their involvement in trying to buy karen mcdougal's rights -- the rights to her story from ami, which the campaign claim they'd had no knowledge of, they knew nothing about the ami deal, nor has he answered any questions about your reporting that he allegedly knew about the trump tower meeting in advance. >> this president and this
presidency and this white house has no -- no interest in the truth as we have known it in every other presidency. this president and this presidency has an interest only in its own propaganda, its own lies, its own version of events that have nothing to do with real existing information. you know, i went to jack kennedy's press conferences, starting with his third one. i was copy boy at the time. and if you were to go back and watch him and every successive president of the united states, including richard nixon, you would not see anything comparable to the lying, to the unavailability to being open and transparent, such as we have seen in this presidency. this presidency and this president is unique. we have never had anything like this in our history in terms of
disinformation. >> yeah. >> misinformation, and an attempt to undermine the truth at every turn. not just in a criminal conspiracy like watergate, but about everything. >> carl bernstein. >> so i think there are no surprises at this point. >> carl, thank you. david axelrod as well. a quick note we should point out that anthony scaramucci's tenure came shortly after the idea the president floated eliminating press briefings. i'm sorry, i was wrong on that. coming up, a federal judge makes a decision on the 3-d printed guns that have been causing so much controversy. and after the president tweets, the white house and the nra have very similar statements about the undetectable and untraceable guns. the latest next. from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist. you can barely feel. no, what??
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a federal judge in washington state has issued a temporary restraining order stopping the release of blood pressures -- blood pressuueprin. how to make a plastic gun with a 3-d printer. a court battle ensued. last month there was a settlement that aloud the plans to be posted online starting august 1. multi-sta multi-states' attorneys general have moved to stop it. it doesn't seem to make much sense. hours later the white house deputy press secretary said this on air force one. >> in the united states, it's currently illegal to own or or make a holy plastic gun of any kind, including those made on a 3-d printer. the administration supports
nearly two decade-old law and will continue to look at all options available to us to do what is necessary to protect americans while also supporting the first and second amendments. >> so it strikes a lot of the same chords as the nra statement, which reads in part, quote, regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. a federal law passed in 1988 crafted with the nra support makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sale, shift, deliver, possess, transfer or receive are an undetectable firearm. joining me now is washington state attorney general bob ferguson, who just scored that court victory stopping release of the blueprints, at least temporarily. thanks for being with us. attorney general, the temporary restraining order that you've been granted, what does it mean going forward in terms of the law here? >> yeah, in terms of the law -- thanks for having me on again, anderson. appreciate it. this is a nationwide ban. so what it does is takes us back to a period of time before the federal government flipped on
their policy regarding these 3-d ghost guns. what it means is if anyone posts this information online, they're in violation of federal law and can suffer very serious consequences. so it makes it unlawful to post that information and make it available to the public. >> why did the government offer a settlement to allow these blueprints on the internet in the first place? do we know? wasn't it the state department that stepped in to prevent them from being posted online? >> that is a very good question, anderson. and truly, it's baffling to me and many others why the federal government made this decision. and just to be clear, to your point, there has been a court case going on texas in which the obama administration and the trump administration opposed this entity down in texas from making this information public. the state department filed declarations, talking about the national security risk and public safety risk of any process, no procedure, no nothing. they caved on a case they were winning and allowed this entity to go forward. it's truthfully breathtaking, and the risk to public safety is hard to overstate.
>> yeah, the cody wilson, the man who invented the first 3-d printed gun told cnn today that despite your suit, he has already uploaded plans for the ar-15 semiautomatic rifles have been downloaded more than 2100 times. how concern ready you? and is there anything you can do than? once it's out there, it's out there, isn't it? >> so i am very concerned than. and every american who is be very concerned about that. and the president of the united states should be very concerned about that. and he can put a stop to this right now. he should tell his attorneys to stand down in this litigation and allow us to declare victory in this case and move forward. so, yes, some folks have been able to act a says information. but obviously, anderson, if it's allowed to go forward for days, weeks, months, obviously many more thousands of people would have access to it. we want to limit that damage, and we're very thankful our judge here in seattle granted our request for a restraining order to shut this donation wide. >> this notion from the white house and from the nra that, quote, regardless of what a person may be able to publish on
the internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. so that you say what? >> well, i say why are you fighting in me in court, then? we're going to court to go back to a time in which it was illegal to do this. the u.s. government was in court today saying no, the entity should be allowed to post this information. so once again, we have an administration, we have a white house where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. they're not communicating in concert with one another. there is nothing new about that, anderson. i've been on your show many times and i've filed 32 lawsuit against this administration. in ten cases, we have decisions. i won all ten of them. one of the reasons i've won all ten is because this administration can't keep their story straight. they're sloppy. and frankly, they're dangerous when it comes to public safety. and that's why i'm so relieved judge lasnick took the action he did today. >> thanks for being on today. >> thank you. this is a day after his private tv attorney rudy giuliani said the same thing.
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democrats. rudy giuliani said pretty much the same thing yesterday morning cnn. >> which i don't eno ifs they a crime, colluding about russians. >> okay. >> you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> yes. of course not. that's the original -- >> well, in the strictest sense, both president trump and giuliani are correct. there is no statute against collusion. joining me to deconstruct, retired colonel ralph peters. this change from the president months and monthsingi there was no collusion, now saying in addition to that collusion was not a crime. the fact that giuliani is saying that as well. does it seem there is a strategy behind that shift? >> a strategy of desperation, if a strategy at all. collusion outright may not be a crime in and of itself, but, anderson, treason is a crime. collaborating and conspireing with a hostile foreign power against the united states is a
crime. receiving material support, clandestine material support from a hostile foreign power is a crime. and we get to the people around trump. moneylaundering is a crime. tax fraud is a crime. lying under oath is a crime. so there is plenty of crime to go around. but what trump and giuliani and all their paladins have been doing is doing their best to blind the american people, to overwhelm us with various forms of diversion and obscure data, to cloud the issue, to muddy the waters. pick your cliche. but for me, as someone who genuinely cares about this country and who doesn't give a damn about either political party, for me there is one core question facing our country today, one paramount question, and that is has the president of the united states committed treason against the united states, specifically, in service in thrall of some sort to vladimir putin? i hope i'm wrong. i hope it didn't happen.
we'll see what robert mueller brings to the fore. but we must focus on that question and not be diverted by clownish antics, because trump is a brilliant entertainer. in a peculiar way, he may be history's greatest entertainer. he commands global headlines every single day, and we make a mistake of thinking about him as a politician or a leader when he is an entertainer. and by allowing ourselves to be constantly entertained, we lose sight of fundamental ethics, values and security of this nation. >> you talk about him as a propagandist and a very effective propagandispropagandi >> yes. >> not only the simple catchphrases, but repeated time and time and time again so that they just become normalized. it's also part of -- it's not just about repeating phrases, it's also used as a diversion. >> yes. >> to take you off focusing, take the american people, the media, whomever, their eye off what's really happening, what really matters. >> yes. and anderson, consider what a
brilliant move it is to attack the press as the enemy of the people. instead of having the spotlight on trump and his alleged misdeeds, on his daily misdeeds against this country, it turns against the press, the press as generals would have said or the enemy of people. enemy of the people is a loaded term. it does go back to roman times. but there the modern era the first person i can find who really used it is robespierre in the french revolution. a student of russian affairs, it's the enemy of item t people in russia. under stalin during the purges, if you were called an enemy of the people, it was a death sentence. and given all of trump's other ties, to russia and things russian and people associated with russia, it hardly seemed a coincidence that he calls our press the enemy of the people. and anderson, our press is not
above criticism. >> sure. >> it's made of human beings. human beings are flawed. i have -- when i thought the press deserved it, i have criticized the press fiercely, but i hope constructively, because without a free press as our founding fathers recognized, democracy cannot function. >> lieutenant colonel ralph peters, always good to have you on. thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to check in with chris cuomo at the top of the hour. >> peters makes you gulp. >> the way talking about stalin, it's pretty intense. >> it's just weird that they're using the same phrase. so tonight we're going to take a little bit of a different tact on this issue about collusion not equalling a crime. i actually think that the media got out over its skis on this, and i think we're missing the forest for one tree, and i'm going make the legal case today. and i think it's mostly common sense where you can start with where we're hearing from the trump legal team right now, but still wind up looking at a whole garden basket of potential
criminal activity that stems from this. so we'll lay out the case. we're also going to take on the man who wants people to be able to make their own 3-d guns at home. he is going to make the case to the audience as to why. and we are going to test it, my friend. >> chris, your screen getting bigger and bigger, your white board there? >> yeah, it is actually. i actually have two white boards. >> either that or you're shrinking. >> i am slimming. i hope this new suit lets you know, that anderson. this is the big board. i have two. >> good to know. >> don't be jealous. you have everything else. >> i covet the board. thank you very much. >> kind of look alike again. >> you know, i'm trying to follow in your footsteps. >> only from here down. >> on capitol hill today, the top officials were peppered with questions about the trump administration policy of separations at the southern border. one official said he was told family separation was not part of the policy. coming up, we'll talk to a senator who was there.
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hearing today and those questions e listed some pretty remarkable answers. at one point, it was said the facilities were, quote, more like a summer camp. that's what he said. take a look at this exchange between senator richard blumenthal and an official at the department of health and human services who acknowledged separating children from their parents was a bad thing. >> would i be correct in assuming that the answer to you was, in effect, that's the whole purpose of the policy, to inflict pain so as to deter asylum seekers from coming here, correct? >> no, sir. we were advised that family separation was not the policy. >> he had raised concerns about the policy there. well, that's interesting he was told that because here's attorney general jeff sessions on fox news talking about the policy. >> are you considering this a deterrent? >> i see the fact that no one was being prosecuted for this as a factor in a fivefold increase
in four years in this count of illegal immigration. so, yes, hopefully people will get the message. >> it was intended there as a deterrent. jeff sessions said it. so did john kelly on camera. at the hearing was minnesota senator amy glclowe ba sure. when he tried to get some clarifycation about the family separation policy, even he was told it was not the policy. i mean the standard answer from the government, how do you square that with the world actually seeing the separations as well as multiple members of the administration describing what they say as not a policy, as a deterrent. >> well, it's very clear when you listen to the leadership, the words you hear from the attorney general, from the chief of staff of the white house, that they did view this as a deterrent. but the problem is then they're using kids as a weapon. and i was at the border, and the families i met, some of whom had
been reunited, all they wanted to do was to get back to their mom. a little 10-year-old boy and his mom, she had fled honduras as a victim of domestic violence. and then to have her child yanked away from her at the border, didn't know if she would ever see him again. and he said, well, i knew i'd always see my mom again because she'd find me. those are heartbreaking stories, and that's what we heard today at the hearing. and it's very clear to me that there were some people of good will at those front lines whether they were people that worked at the agencies, whether they were the like sister norma from catholic charities who runs the operations down there in mcallen, or the volunteers that came from all over america with good hearts to try to fix this. but it should never have happened in the first place. >> thernl certainly been a lot of reports, stories about what the detention centers holding the kids were like. today we heard this other description from an i.c.e. official who said this. i want to play it for our viewers. >> i think the best way to
describe them is to be more like a summer camp. these individuals have access to 24/7 food and water. they have educational opportunities. they have recreational opportunities, both structured as well as unstructured. >> i mean you've talked about having been to the border. i'm wondering what you make of that summer camp description. >> this is not what i heard from these families. one pair of siblings who were separated from each other, one went to florida. one went to texas. they described themselves as being cold. they described themselves as wanting to go and see their parents again. and you still, anderson, have 711 kids that have been separated from their parents. over 400 of them, they can't find their parents. you know what the difference is between summer camp and this? you go home to your parents after summer camp. >> there's also been reports of kidding being given psych oh tropeic drugs without a parent's permission. i don't think that happens at
summer camp. >> no, it does not. >> did anyone ask that official if he would send his children to summer camp -- to that kind of a summer camp? >> those kinds of things were asked and we got some vague answers. there was one official from hhs, commander white, who clearly said that he told his superiors he was concerned about the psychological effect on these kids. and he also said, you know, this was a policy that we applied to uncompanied minors. but these kids were accompanied. they weren't accompanied by their parents. >> this announcement from facebook today that she shut down a disinformation campaign that was targeting the midterm elections. you introduced legislation aimed at trying to prevent election interference this past fall. are you happy with how facebook handled this? >> i'm glad they came forward and said what we believed is true and that is the russians are still trying to do this, or it looks like russians because they're similar to what they had before the election. one of them had nearly 300,000 followers. these same kinds of ads that are
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courthouse in alexandrialexandr virginia, cnn's jessica schneider. so what did we learn today at the trial? >> anderson, we learned a lot. it was only the first day here, but this courtroom is definitely living up to its rocket docket reputation. they managed to whittle down this jury pool of 65 people down to 12 jurors plus four alternates, and then, of course, we heard the fiery opening statements here. in this, prosecutors shed some light on paul manafort's lavish lifestyle, and they did it by talking about his 30 hidden foreign bank accounts they say existed in three different countries. and they say that funded that lavish lifestyle that included seven different homes, ranging from virginia to manhattan, all the way to the hamptons on long island. they also talked about his $500,000 luxury clothing. they mentioned a $21,000 watch, and they even, yes, mentioned a $15,000 jacket made of ostrich.
the prosecution here says that they have a witness list of 35 people that they plan to call, but this trial is really only expected to go three weeks. we saw just how fast this trial moved just in the first day here. so who knows. it could wrap up even sooner. but yes, 35 witnesses of the prosecution is expecting to call. anderson? >> i'm amazed how fast it moved today. jessica schneider, thank you so much. we have new reporting now from cnn's jeff zeleny, more on the white house strategy for dealing with the trial. as you might have guessed from the top of the program, item one, distancing the president from paul manafort. we're also learning the president watched trial coverage on his way down to florida today. that's according to officials who spoke to jeff. and the president has asked staffers for regular updates as the prtrial proceeds. joining us is jeffrey toobin, a former federal prosecutor. so is jennifer rodgers. and jason miller is a former trump campaign senior adviser. so, jeff, the fact that it's day one and there's already been jury selection, opening statements and the first witness
called, what does it tell you about how this trial is going to proceed? >> it's going to be two weeks rather than three weeks. i just have no doubt this trial will go faster than expected. that's how it always works in the eastern district of virginia. and it's a place where prosecutors win almost all the time. it is known as a very pro-prosecution jurisdiction, and given the facts of this case, i think manafort is just in a world of trouble. >> but jeff, the judges want prosecutors the steer clear of anything russia-related. is that -- i mean, is it the elephant in the room there for the jurors or, i mean, can they do that? >> you know, i have a lot of confidence in jurors in matters like this. i mean, the real problem for paul manafort here is there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he paid his taxes. i mean, he got all this money. it was stashed in these foreign bank accounts, and the taxes weren't paid. now, like most people who are accused of a crime with a cooperating witness, he's going try to put all the blame on the cooperating wutness. that is a standard strategy.
it rarely works, but it sometimes does. and -- you know, but it's just going to be difficult to persuade the jury that somehow rick gates is responsible for the fact that paul manafort made millions upon millions of dollars and didn't pay his taxes. >> jennifer, do you agree that that defense strategy, trying to pin it all on rick gates, who is a cooperating witness, that's basically the kind of defense 101? >> it is. it is exactly. the problem here is that rick gates, of course, was not cooperating until after the charges were filed. so, they were prepared to proceed with this case without rick gates onboard. they have all the documentary evidence. like jeff just said, these are individual income taxes that paul manafort lied about, not to mention some properties on which there was mortgage fraud, had nothing to do with rick gates in the hamptons and in brooklyn. so, he's going to have a really hard time pinning all of this on rick gates, for sure. >> jason, the push from the president's allies arguing that paul manafort was basically nobody on the campaign, only worked there for four months,
through the republican convention if it wasn't paul manafort. did paul manafort help prevent some of the brain damage if it had gone forward and there had been a floor fight and such things like that? of course. but was there any chance that president trump was going to get caught up at convention or he wasn't going to get through or anything like that? of course not. let's not go and blow it out of proportion. so, the role that he played was a relatively shorter amount of time, and i don't think we need to go and blow that out of proportion. but again, everything that's happening to paul manafort, those are paul manafort problems, those are not donald trump problems. >> it's harder to blow it out of proportion, jeff, if your title is chairman of the campaign. it seems like a pretty big time. >> absolutely. and remember what he's charged with. he is charged with taking millions upon millions of dollars from viktor yanukovych, who was the pro-putin politician in ukraine. so, it's not that this is completely unrelated to the whole russia situation. remember, too, that during the convention, they changed the
platform toe make the ukrainian section more pro-putin. so, the entire thrust of the trump campaign, which the issue of a conspiracy with the russian interests, you know, remains the heart of the investigation. manafort's presence in the campaign is evidence of sympathy to putin in and of itself. so in that respect, it's not the criminal charges, but who paul manafort is, is highly relevant to this investigation. >> but jeffrey, if i could just jump in real quick, is there some sort of crime that you're accusing the president of? >> no. i'm not, but you know, when you are asking why the president has this fixation with vladimir putin, which apparently continues to this day, and why vladimir putin was so desperate to see donald trump win and hillary clinton lose and why donald trump was asking russians
to hack e-mails, which they did the same day, all of it is relevant evidence to what happened in this campaign. >> jennifer, i mean, at some point, rick gates himself will have to testify. do you think he'll find anything out about -- will we find anything out about the larger mueller investigation from that? >> you know, the one way that we could is that when a cooperator testifies, the defense is entitled to cross-examine him or her about all impeachment material. so, if rick gates did things during the campaign that were illegal or go to his credibility, then prosecutors could raise that and the defense could cross-examine on it. you know, it seems from some of the pretrial motions and litigation that the word russia, i guess one of the prosecutors said, probably won't even be uttered. so, it sounds like they don't have that kind of impeachment material they need to front and that manafort lawyers will cross on, so i'm suspecting not, but if there is anything like that, that could be the context in which it would be raised.
>> jason, president trump has said on more than one occasion about only hiring the best. if that's true, shouldn't the campaign have done its due diligence when it came the paul manafort and figured out if manafort had been operating above board or not? this is a pretty, you know, sleazy track record that the prosecutors certainly have laid out. >> well, absolutely. but there is no such thing as a time machine. and so, the fact of the matter is is that paul manafort was onboard for, as i said before, a relatively shorter amount of time, and he was not the person who ultimately was the campaign manager that took us across the finish line. that was kelly anne, as you know, along with steve bannon and a whole host of other folks who were onboard. but look, paul manafort, we primarily focused on the convention phase of this, did have a long track record of working with conventions and things like that. but i think one of the other things that i think kind of a little jumbled up in the media is that president trump and manafort weren't particularly close. i don't think that president trump really knew much all about
paul manafort's background. these were not two men who would hang out, grab dinner or lunch or chat. >> but to the point the president constantly saying he hires the best, that seems to imply he knows who he's hiring. your argument seems to be, well, he didn't really know this guy even though he went on tv multiple times and talked about what a great guy he was. >> well, he got a mulligan in this one. >> but what's the one thing donald trump knew about paul manafort, which was that he worked for viktor yanukovych. that was basically his only client for years. and the fact that he worked for yanukovych, the pro-putin politician in ukraine, was good enough for donald trump. that tells you something in and of itself, no? >> but i think the one thing that president trump knew is that paul manafort had convention experience. >> in the '80s. in the '80s. 30 years ago. >> but it's been a long time since there was a real convention fight. keep in mind it had been literally decades since there was a real convention battle within republican party politics.
that was something paul was able to speak to. he wasn't being brought on for any policy matters or any grand strategic vision. he is someone who was going to manage the convention. that was the value he was demonstrating at that particular time. >> all right, jason miller, jeff toobin, jennifer rodgers, thanks very much. up next, the president's trip to florida and his flight from any tough questions or any place he might encounter any tough questions. we're keeping him honest on that. as, breaking news in the fight over firearms that you can make at home with a special pri printer and the plans a court tonight just blocked from getting out. the legal battle and the role the white house played in this with 3-d printing guns ahead on "ac 360." nourished hair. better color.
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three press briefings all month. now, these things used to be common enough that they were actually called the daily white house press briefing, which meant daily. now you can call them nearly extinct, which makes what you're about to hear kind of odd. give a listen and ask yourself, does this sound like a promise? >> we're here. we're taking questions. we're doing everything we can to provide regular and constant information to the american people, and there is a responsibility by you guys to provide accurate information, and we're going to continue to try to work with you. >> well, she said that may 9th. that entire month, there were nine white house press briefings. in june, just five. this month, only three. so tell us what was that again? >> we're here. we're taking questions. we're doing everything we can to provide regular and constant information to the american people. >> everything they can do to provide regular and constant information. everything they can do. see, for a minute there, it sounded like sarah sanders was actually promising to provide regular and constant information to the american people.
keeping them honest, we asked her why she promised the people one thing and is doing the polar opposite, but we simply haven't had the chance, because there have only been three briefings this month. if you'd like to ask sarah sanders about her promise, take a number. if you'd like to know what president trump thinks about michael cohen's allegations about the trump tower meeting, get in line. if you want to see the president challenged about why the white house lied about the president not being involved with wanting to buy karen mcdougal's silence after audiotape shows he actually was, sorry, you are out of luck. and the same goes for false and misleading statements like this one just yesterday. the president tweeting a highly respected federal judge today stated that the trump administration gets great credit for reuniting legal families. thank you, and please look at the previous administration's record. not good. the president neglected to point out that the judge admonished the administration for essentially making orphans out of kids. that's the beauty of the twitter machine. you can omit, you can rephrase, you can make stuff up. whatever you want, and no one
can challenge you. last year anthony scaramucci, the new white house communications director for those ten glorious days, refused to commit to regular white house briefings. he's gone, but it sure looks like his idea is gaining traction at the white house today. president trump left for his trip to florida this afternoon without saying a word to reporters and in case you're wondering, that is par for the course. with the exception of his jount appearance alongside italy's prime minister yesterday, the president has refused to answer reporters questions 16 times in just the last six days. >> thank you, everybody, thank you. >> thanks, guys. thank you. >> >> mr. president, sir, is michael cohen lying? >> did michael cohen betray you? >> mr. president, did michael cohen betray you, sir? mr. president, why did you cancel the meeting with vladimir putin, sir?
>> well, that's what we're seeing more and more of, unanswered questions and fewer chances to ask them. and in the meantime, the president reportedly is itching for more occasions like he just finished up at tonight, rallies where he can say whatever he wants and hear nothing in return but applause. our jim acosta is in tampa for us tonight, joining us now. so, this lack of transparency, is there any other reason they're doing this other than the fact they don't want to answer questions about, for instance, why the president lied and why the white house, why the campaign, i should say, lied, not knowing about karen mcdougal and ami and the deal? >> anderson, i think the only thing you can conclude, and you're going to hear some folks here, i think, letting their feelings be known at this rally here in tampa, about how they feel about cnn. but anderson, i think the honest answer to your question is that this white house is obviously hiding from the press. they're hiding the president from the press. they are hiding the press secretary from the press. that's the only conclusion you
can come to when they've only had five press briefings in the last month of june, and only three press briefings this month. i mean, that is historically at a very low level. now, one thing we should point out, anderson, at this rally tonight, the president went after what he calls fake news. he even talked about fake polls, even though he touted a poll that he said that he had seen saying he was the most popular republican president ever. it's hard to understand how you can have fake polls but also tout polls showing you being popular. but anderson, despite the president going after the press, he just hadn't given us opportunities to ask him very many questions. and i think there really is no other reasonable conclusion other than they just don't like the questions that are going to be asked right now. you know, i've been trying to talk to white house aides about this, and one of the things you hear, and they've said this before in the past is that, well, when the president has a speech or when he has an event, they tonight want to step on the
message of the day. well, the president had a speech tonight, and so there was no press briefing today. it is possible they could have one tomorrow, anderson, but we just don't know at this point. >> yeah, i mean, so, there's no idea when the next one might be held? >> say that again? >> there is no idea, it's not a schedule when the next one might be held? >> you know, i think it is possible. i'm pushing these earpieces in my ear just to hear you, anderson. i think it's possible they could hold one tomorrow, but aides are being very cagey about it. one thing they'll talk about as they have these off camera gaggles when the president is traveling down on air force one, and that sort of thing to various events. but as you and i both know, anderson, that's not the same as having an on-camera briefing with the press secretary coming into the briefing room. you know, we used to call them daily press briefings. they're barely weekly press briefings anymore. and i think, anderson, the only conclusion you can draw at this point is they just don't like the questions right now. and it's amazing, anderson. you're hearing some of the insults being hurled at us right now.
i've been talking to some of these folks this evening, even though they're being pretty negative towards us right now. i answered a bunch of questions from some of these trump supporters here about all sorts of things, a lot more questions than the president has taken from us in recent days, anderson. >> jim acosta, appreciate you being there. thanks, jim. i want to bring in two new voices. one from david axelrod with long white house experience managing the message. and carl bernstein, who has even longer experience holding presidents accountable, including this one, shares a byline on the michael cohen scoop. david, every white house certainly, look, has had their issues with the press. have you ever seen a white house that has had this many issues with the press? >> well, i've never seen a white house who has had many, many issues, not just issues with the press, but every -- this is a precedent-shattering white house. and particularly when it comes to issues of transparency and disclosure, starting with the president's refusal to release his tax returns and running through a whole series of things. i think the important thing,
though, here is beyond not answering questions about michael cohen and the probe which are uncomfortable, we've also seen the practice suspended of briefing people, briefing the press when the president speaks to foreign leaders. we are only -- americans are only finding out what the president has said in their name from reports from foreign governments. it's two weeks later. we still don't know what was said between him and vladimir putin. i mean, there are fundamental things, bits of information that the american people deserve, and, you know, the bottom line is this president doesn't believe that he has any obligation to share that information with people. he calls the press the enemy of the people. he conflates his political interest with the public interest. and he thinks that reporting is a hostile act. >> yeah, the fact is, we're not even sure he has told his
secretary of state or the secretary of defense exactly what was discussed with vladimir putin in that meeting. it's not clear from their own -- from, you know, pompeo's testimony, that he really has a fell readout from the president. carl, do you -- you fought with many white houses over the years trying to get your questions answered. nixon's press secretary had a famous adversarial relationship with the press. how would you compare then to now? >> i think it's far worse. the really great thing that's happening is is that news organizations from "the washington post" to "the new york times" to cnn to the ap to reuters are doing some of the greatest reporting that we have ever seen on a presidency. and the result is that the american people understand what the facts are. they can make up their own minds about it because of our reporting. the idea that somehow we would expect this president, this presidency, this administration to be anything like open or transparent or honest or truthful at this stage of the
game is absurd on our part. and we're doing the right thing by doing our reporting. donald trump is the president of his base. he makes no attempt to be the president of all the people of this country. and part of appealing to his base is to make the conduct of the press the issue rather than the conduct of donald trump and his presidency. so that's where we are, and the great part of this, as opposed to the part that we ought to be terrified about, is that we're doing the reporting. and that's really why he is so upset, why he is so furious, why he is going to ground the way he is, because we have raised the questions about what is truthful, particularly about his relationship with putin, particularly about his relationship with michael cohen. we've raised the questions. they're out there, and the people of this country know that they're out there. >> david, to carl's point, it's
not just about making the press the enemy, it's making nfl players the enemy at times when it suits the president, or making, you know, undocumented immigrants the enemy, or whomever it may be to suit the president's needs at any given time. i want to ask you, though, about comparing to the obama administration. because kaitlan collins was barred last week from attending an event in the rose garden at the white house, didn't like questions she asked. obviously the white house has issues with cnn and their coverage. there are those who say, look at the obama administration. they didn't always give the same access to fox news as everyone else or the same number of interviews. to that, you say what? is that a fair comparison? >> i don't -- well, no, i don't think it's a fair comparison, because they never barred fox reporters from doing their jobs. i talked to fox news reporters all the time when i was in the white house. they asked questions at presidential press conferences and so on. i don't think it's -- look, as you pointed out at the beginning, every president is irritated at times by their
coverage, but most presidents understand that that is part of the obligation of the job. that a free press is enshrined in the first amendment for a reason. but i just want to react to one thing that carl said. it's not just that he's using the press as a foil with his base. he is trying to impeach the media, so that when facts are reported that are inconvenient to him, he can dismiss them as political in nature. and that, to me, is a very insidious thing. that's really, you know, that is the stuff of autocratic states. and so, while i agree with carl that the reporting has been aggressive, it's been thorough, it's been critical, there still is concern about a president who doesn't really believe in a free press. >> and carl, it is not just the
lack of press briefings. you know, the president himself still hasn't directly answered questions about why his campaign lied about their involvement in trying to buy karen mcdougal's rights -- the rights to her story from a.m.i., which the campaign claim they had no knowledge of, they knew nothing about the deal, nor has he answered any questions about your reporting that he allegedly knew about the trump tower meeting in advance. >> this president and this presidency and this white house has no interest in the truth, as we have known it in every other presidency. this president and this presidency has an interest only in its own propaganda, its own lies, its own version of events that have nothing to do with real existing information. you know, i went to jack kennedy's press conferences, starting with his third one. i was copy boy at the time. and if you were to go back and
watch him and every successive president of the united states, including richard nixon, you would not see anything comparable to the lying, to the unavailability to being open and transparent, such as we have seen in this presidency. this presidency and this president is unique. we have never had anything like this in our history in terms of disinformation. >> yeah. >> misinformation, and an attempt to undermine the truth at every turn. not just in a criminal conspiracy like watergate, but about everything. >> carl bernstein. david axelrod, thank you so much. coming up, a federal judge makes a decision on the 3d printed guns that have been causing so much controversy. and after the president tweets, the white house and the nra have very similar statements about the undetectable and untraceable guns. the latest next.
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a federal judge in washington state has issued a temporary restraining order stopping the release of bueprints how to make a plastic gun with a 3-d printer. it's the latest development in a controversy that's gone on for years after a company in texas developed instructions on how to make a plastic gun with a 3d printer. court battle ensued when the company made the instructions available to be downloaded. multiple states' attorneys general have moved to stop it. ours later, the white house deputy press secretary said this on air force one. >> in the united states, it's currently illegal to own or make a wholly plastic gun of any kind, including those made on a 3d printer. the administration supports the nearly two decade-old law and will continue to look at all
options available to us to do what is necessary to protect americans while also supporting the first and second amend pts. >> so it strikes a lot of the same chords as the nra statement, which reads in part, quote, regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. a federal law passed in 1988 crafted with the nra support makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, shift, deliver, possess, transfer or receive are an undetectable firearm. joining me now is washington state attorney general bob ferguson, who just scored that court victory stopping release of the blueprints, at least temporarily. thanks for being with us. attorney general, the temporary restraining order that you've been granted, what does it mean going forward in terms of the law here? >> yeah, in terms of the law -- thanks for having me on again, anderson. appreciate it. this is a nationwide ban. so, what it does, it takes us back to a period of time before the federal government flipped on their policy regarding these
3d ghost guns. what it means is, if anyone posts this information online, they're in violation of federal law and can suffer very serious consequences. so it makes it unlawful to post that information and make it available to the public. >> why did the government offer a settlement to allow these blueprints on the internet in the first place? do we know? wasn't it the state department that stepped in to prevent them from being posted online? >> that is a very good question, anderson. and truly, it's baffling to me and many others why the federal government made this decision. and just to be clear, to your point, there has been a court case going on texas in which the obama administration and the trump administration opposed this entity down in texas from making this information public. the state department filed declarations, talking about the national security risk and public safety risk of any process, no procedure, no nothing. they caved on a case they were winning and allowed this entity to go forward. it's truthfully breathtaking, and the risk to public safety is hard to overstate. >> yeah, cody wilson, the man
who invented the first 3d printed gun, told cnn today that despite your suit, he has already uploaded plans for the ar-15 semiautomatic rifles have been downloaded more than 2,500 times. how concern ready you? and is there anything you can do than? once it's out there, it's out there, isn't it? >> so, i am very concerned about that. and every american who is be should be very concerned about that and the president of the united states should be very concerned about that. and he can put a stop to this right now. he should tell his attorneys to stand down in this litigation and allow us to declare victory in this case and move forward. so, yes, some folks have been able to access information, but obviously, anderson, if it's allowed to go forward for days, weeks, months, many more thousands of people would have access to it. we want to limit that damage and we're very thankful our judge here in seattle granted our request for a restraining order to shut this down nationwide. >> this notion from the white house and the nra that, quote, regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the internet, undetectable
plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. so that you say what? >> well, i'd say, why are you fighting me in court then? we're going to court to go back to a time in which it was illegal to do this. the u.s. government was in court today saying no, the entity should be allowed to post this information. so once again, we have an administration, we have a white house where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. they're not communicating in concert with one another. there is nothing new about that, anderson. i've been on your show many times and i've now filed 32 lawsuits against this administration. in ten cases, we have decisions. i won all ten of them. one of the reasons i've won all ten is because this administration can't keep their story straight. they're sloppy. and frankly, they're dangerous when it comes to public safety. and that's why i'm so relieved judge lasnik took the action he did today. >> attorney general bob ferguson, good to have you on. >> thank you. president trump took to twitter, telling his followers there was no collusion with russia. this is, of course, a day after his private tv attorney, rudy giuliani, said the same thing. we're going toe have an
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a crime, colluding about russians. >> okay. >> you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> yes, that certainly is the original problem. >> the president didn't hack. >> of course not. >> he didn't pay them for hacking. >> well, in the strictest sense, both president trump and giuliani are correct. there is no statute against collusion. joining me to deconstruct, retired colonel ralph peters. so, colonel, the change from the president, from the months and months just repeating that there was no collusion, to just about any question asked about russia, now saying in addition to that, collusion is not a crime, the fact that giuliani is saying that, as well, does it seem there is a strategy behind that shift? >> a strategy of desperation, if a strategy at all. collusion outright may not be a crime in and of itself, but anderson, treason is a crime. collaborating and conspireing with a hostile foreign power against the united states is a crime. receiving material support, clandestine material support from a hostile foreign power is a crime.
and we get to the people around trump. moneylaundering is a crime. tax fraud is a crime. lying under oath is a crime. so, there's plenty of crime to go around. but what trump and giuliani and all their paladins have been doing is doing their best to blind the american people, to overwhelm us with various forms of diversion and obscure data, to cloud the issue, to muddy the waters. pick your cliche. but for me, as someone who genuinely cares about this country and who doesn't give a damn about either political party, for me, there is one core question facing our country today. one paramount question, and that is, has the president of the united states committed treason against the united states, specifically, in service in t thrall of some sort to vladimir putin? i hope i'm wrong. i hope it didn't happen. we'll see what robert mueller brings to the fore.
but we must focus on that question and not be diverted by clownish antics, because trump is a brilliant entertainer. in a peculiar way, he may be history's greatest entertainer. he commands global headlines every single day, and we make a mistake of thinking about him as a politician or a leader when he is an entertainer. and by allowing ourselves to be constantly entertained, we lose sight of fundamental ethics, values and security of this nation. >> you talk about him as a propagandist and a very effective propagandist. >> yes. >> not only the simple catchphrases, but repeated time and time and time again so that they just become normalized. it's also part of -- it's not just about repeating phrases, it's also used as a diversion. >> yes. >> to take you off focusing, take the american people, the media, whomever, their eye off what's really happening, what really matters. >> yes. and anderson, consider what a brilliant move it is to attack the press as the enemy of the people.
instead of having the spotlight on trump and his alleged misdeeds, on his daily misdeeds against this country, it turns against the press, the press as the enemy of the people. enemy of the people is a loaded term. it does go back to roman times. but in the modern era, the first person i can find who really used it is robespierre in the french revolution. as a student of russian affairs, it's the enemy of the people in russia. under stalin during the purges, if you were called an enemy of the people, it was a death sentence. and given all of trump's other ties, to russia and things russian and people associated with russia, it hardly seemed a coincidence that he calls our press the enemy of the people. and anderson, our press is not above criticism. >> sure. >> it's made of human beings. human beings are flawed. i have -- when i thought the press deserved it, i have
criticized the press fiercely, but i hope constructively, because without a free press as our founding fathers recognized, democracy cannot function. >> lieutenant colonel ralph peters, always good to have you on. thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to check in with chris and see what he's working on for the top of the hour. chris? >> peters makes you gulp. talking about, you know, stalin. it's pretty -- >> yeah, and it's just weird that they're using the same phrase. so, tonight, we're going to take a little bit of a different tact on this issue about collusion not equaling a crime. i actually think that the media got out over its skis on this, and i think we're missing the forest for one tree, and i'm going make the legal case today. and i think it's mostly common sense where you can start with where we're hearing from the trump legal team right now, but still wind up looking at a whole garden basket of potential criminal activity that stems from this. so we'll lay out the case. we're also going to take on the man who wants people to be able
to make their own 3d guns at home. he is going to make the case to the audience as to why. and we are going to test it, my friend. >> chris, your screen getting bigger and bigger, your white board there? >> ah, yeah, it is, actually. i have two white boards. sometimes -- >> either that or you're shrinking. >> yes. i am i am slimming. >> i covet the board. >> kind of look alike. from here-down. from here up, much better. an capitol hill, the top officials were peppered with questions about the trump administration's separation of families at the border. one official said family separation was not part of the policy. coming up, i'll talk to a senator that was there. chicken?! chicken.
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questions as a senate hearing today and those questions elicited some pretty remarkable answers. at one point, the head of enforcement or removal for immigration customs enforcement said the facilities where kids and parents were being kept were, quote, more like a summer camp. that's what he said. take a look at this exchange between senator richard blumenthal and an official at the department of health and human services, who acknowledged separating children from their parents was a bad thing. >> would i be correct in assuming that the answer to you was, in effect, that's the whole purpose of the policy, to inflict pain so as to deter asylum seekers from coming here, correct? >> no, sir. we were advised that family separation was not the policy. >> he had raised concerns about the policy there. well, that's interesting he was told that because here's attorney general jeff sessions on fox news talking about the policy. >> are you considering this a deterrent? >> i see the fact that no one was being prosecuted for this as a factor in a fivefold increase
in four years in this count of illegal immigration. so, yes, hopefully people will get the message. >> it was intended there as a deterrent. jeff sessions said it. so did john kelly on camera. at the hearing was minnesota senator amy klobuchar. when he tried to get some clarification about the family separation policy, even he was told it was not the policy. i mean the standard answer from the government, how do you square that with the world actually seeing the separations as well as multiple members of the administration describing what they say as not a policy, as a deterrent. >> well, it's very clear when you listen to the leadership, the words you hear from the attorney general, from the chief of staff of the white house, that they did view this as a deterrent. but the problem is then they're using kids as a weapon. and i was at the border, and the families i met, some of whom had
been reunited, all they wanted to do was to get back to their mom. a little 10-year-old boy and his mom, she had fled honduras as a victim of domestic violence. and then to have her child yanked away from her at the border, didn't know if she would ever see him again. and he said, well, i knew i'd always see my mom again because she'd find me. those are heartbreaking stories, and that's what we heard today at the hearing. and it's very clear to me that there were some people of good will at those front lines whether they were people that worked at the agencies, whether they were the like sister norma from catholic charities who runs the operations down there in mcallen, or the volunteers that came from all over america with good hearts to try to fix this. but it should never have happened in the first place. >> there's certainly been a lot of reports, stories about what the detention centers holding the kids were like. today we heard this other description from an i.c.e. official who said this. i want to play it for our viewers. >> i think the best way to describe them is to be more like a summer camp. these individuals have access to
24/7 food and water. they have educational opportunities. they have recreational opportunities, both structured as well as unstructured. >> i mean you've talked about having been to the border. i'm wondering what you make of that summer camp description. >> this is not what i heard from these families. one pair of siblings who were separated from each other, one went to florida. one went to texas. they described themselves as being cold. they described themselves as wanting to go and see their parents again. and you still, anderson, have 711 kids that have been separated from their parents. over 400 of them, they can't find their parents. you know what the difference is between summer camp and this? you go home to your parents after summer camp. >> there's also been reports of kidding being given psych oh tropeic drugs without a parent's permission. i don't think that happens at summer camp. >> no, it does not.
>> did anyone ask that official if he would send his children to summer camp -- to that kind of a summer camp? >> those kinds of things were asked and we got some vague answers. there was one official from hhs, commander white, who clearly said that he told his superiors he was concerned about the psychological effect on these kids. and he also said, you know, this was a policy that we applied to unaccompanied minors. but these kids were accompanied. they weren't accompanied by their parents. >> this announcement from facebook today that they shut down a disinformation campaign that was targeting the midterm elections. you introduced legislation aimed at trying to prevent election interference this past fall. are you happy with how facebook handled this? >> i'm glad they came forward and said what we believed is true and that is the russians are still trying to do this, or it looks like russian accounts because they're similar to what they had before the election. one of them had nearly 300,000 followers. these same kinds of ads that are trying to turn americans on each other from controversial issues, from immigration issues, and they're doing it again. that's why we have to pass this
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paul manafort spent $2.2 million on home entertainment technology. including $10,000 on a karaoke system. a lot of details prosecutors packed in. we will hear more from his accountant today as they delve into his finances. dave and kaylee. >> thank you, jessica. can the u.s. economy keep up the pace of swift job creation? we get a look at the labor market this morning when the july jobs report is released. economists are expecting 190,000 new positions. the unemployment rate is expected to tick down to 3.9%. it rose in june as more than 600,000 americans got off the sidelines and entered the labor market looking for work. the big mystery has been wages. that number expected to hold steady at 2.7% annual rate. wages have been stuck in that range for the past three years.
as the labor market tightens, wages rise, but the growth has been slow since the great recession. wall street is looking at where the jobs are created. so far no signs that tariffs are slowing down the economy, but this will mark the first big economic report of the third quarter following strong economic growth in the second quarter. first daughter and presidential adviser ivanka trump is breaking from the fath father's rhetoric of the media. she does not agree with the characterization as the press is the enemy of the people. >> i received my fair share of reporting on me personally that i know not to be fully accurate. so, i had some sensitivity around why people have concerns and gripe especially when they feel targeted. no, i don't feel the media is
the enemy of the people. >> hours later, the president put his spin on ivanka's remarks. tweeted saying she is right. it is actually the fake news that is the enemy of the people. president trump's oldest son is comparing the democratic party philosophy to nazi, germany. don junior was interviewed at the premiere of a new movie for dsouza. listen to this. >> you see the nazi platform in the 1930s and you see it and you compare it to the dnc platform of today and you say those are similar. to the point where it is scary. >> there is something scary there. don junior's comment is false
equal. the nationazi party has not counterpart. don junior fought back against the attacks with the link tweeted to the dsouza movie. wow. that happened. iran is launching a major military exercise in the persian gulf. tehran is likely to shutdown the oil flow through the strait of hormuz. this exercise was planned, but starts intensifying rhetoric with the u.s. we have nic robertson joining us from oman at the strait of hormuz. nic. >> reporter: you see pictures of u.s. officials showing the dozens of boats in the military exercise which is coming earlier in the year than anticipated. normally around november time. it is organized by iran islamic
revolutionary guard corps. the commander of the corps in the last week and month prior has gone on the record and said clearly if iran cannot export oil products from the region through the straits of hormuz, then no one will be able to do. it has been echoed by the president of iran and supreme leader of iran. right now, no official comment from iranians. that is a concern. are they putting meat on the bones of the rhetoric we have been hearing recently. president trump has warned them of serious consequences if they follow through. in the region here, we are not hearing anything from regional players here. for example, here in the united arab emirates on the gulf of oman, they built a pipeline the past couple of decades that bypasses strait of hormuz for
that reason. it could get shutdown for military action. everyone watching closely what the iranians are doing. not clear of the intent. kaylee. >> is there any bite behind that bark. nic, thank you. tennessee could play a key rule in the senate in the fall. bredesen, a democrat and conservative republican blackburn won their primaries on thursday. they will now face-off in november which is to be a hotly contested election in the midterms. republicans did not expect a challenge in tennessee, but the cross party appeal could replace democrats in the seat held by bob corker. is this shifting? we shall see. another interesting race. ahead, "the new york times" standing by a new controversy hire despite a history of tweets
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our democracy itself is in the crosshairs. >> we acknowledge the threat. it is real. >> we are being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax. >> the president dismissing the russia investigation even after his own top officials warned that russia is still meddling in u.s. elections. the july jobs report is due out this morning. why unemployment is expected to tick down but wage growth remains stalled. welcome back to "early start." i'm kaylee hartung. i'll say one last time it is friday. >> 5:31 eastern time. i'm dave briggs. papa don't preach. on how ivanka trump is speaking out against things she cares about. we start with the russia
meddling our election systems. if you listen to the president talk about it and his top intel officials, there is a disconnect about it. the president ranting hours after the officials called out the kremlin for interfering in the 2018 midterms. at the rally in pennsylvania, the president touted the helsinki summit with putin and ignoring the russian attacks on american democracy. >> we got along really well. by the way, that's a good thing not a bad thing. now we're being hindered by the russian hoax. everybody said, wow, that was great. a couple hours later, i started hearing reports that they wanted me to walk up. they wanted me to walk up and go like this. son of a --
>> shadow boxing. a hobby we didn't know the president has. hours earlier, key members of the national security team appeared in the white house briefing room to warn the country the russian election interference is ongoing. >> in regards to the russian involvement in the mid-term elections, we continue to see a pervasive messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. >> russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage and malign influence operations to this day. >> our democracy itself is in the crosshairs. free and fair elections are the cornerstone of our democracy. it is clear they are the target of our adversaries to sow discord and undermine our life. >> director of national intelligence dan coats told reporters he still doesn't fully understand what took place in the one-on-one meeting with trump and vladimir putin in helsinki.
joining us to talk about it is editor harry enton. it is a key point that they are addressing it. it is a security issue, but is this an issue in the upcoming midterms? >> obviously, if russia were to hack our election system, that would be a big deal. voters don't think it is a big deal. if you look at the important issues, what you see is russia hacking is down right at the very bottom of the list. economy, health care, gun policy. you name it. this is from the cnn poll in may. we have seen throughout the russia investigation is very steady numbers where people do not like what president trump is doing, but at the same time, they don't think it is important. you have this back and forth and hear the bad news from russia, but voters are dismissing it and putting it in another corner. >> we expect president trump to inject himself in the midterm
races. in the i honterview with sean hanni hannity, he said six or seven days a week, he will would be on the road stumping for folks. karl rove has an opinion about the impact it will have. listen. >> it will be smart in many contests for the president to absent himself from the scene and let candidates shine through. if i like trump, i'll vote for the person who stands with trump. if i'm not hot on trump, let me make a decision with the two people on the ballot. >> harry, your reaction. >> the president was last night in pennsylvania with lou. the president's approval rating is below the disapproval rating in pennsylvania. i agree with karl rove in that particular race. a lot of house races where his rating is below the approval rating, it is smart. there will be senate races in north dakota and west virginia and indiana with the president
on the campaign trail is helpful. trump is still popular in those states. >> lou barletta is a guest on "new day." ohio is a good indication of where we are headed. the president attempted to tweet about the 12th congressional race, but mixed up candidates deleted the tweet. let's under score how crucial the race is on tuesday. set the stage. >> this is a congressional district represented by republicans since the '80s. john kasich represented it before. this is a district that donald trump won by double digits. we have seen this in the special elections where you have the deeply republican districts and they seem to be going democrats. historically speaking, when you see the shift we have been seeing in the special elections, it tends to forecast good news for the democratic party in this particular year. >> is that similar to tennessee?
the president won by 26 points there and it looks like phil bredesen has a legit shot there statewide. is that just a different race all together? bredesen can appeal in a lot of those moderate districts? >> you know, phil bredesen is a character. a twice elected governor in that state. make most mistake, this is partially about phil bred seese being a good politician, but the environment where president trump is unpopular. >> first daughter and presidential adviser ivanka trump is breaking from her father's rhetoric against the media. ivanka said she does not agree with the characterization of the press as the enemy of the peo e people. >> i certainly received my fair share of reporting on me personally that i know not to be fully accurate.
so i had some sensitivity around why people have concerns and gripe especially when they feel targeted. no, i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> oliver darcy joining us now. do you think we're the enemy of the people. her reaction was, sorry, as if she didn't hear the question. then once he repeated, she gave that answer. what did you make of that exchange? >> remarkable. almost like suggesting the assertion that the press is the enemy of the people she has never heard of it or looked at her father's twitter account or watched the press briefing where jim acosta asked her if the president is the enemy of the people. she refused.
ivanka trump's reaction was baffling in that regard. she effectively suggested that the question was ridiculous. in fact, her family seems to believe the press is the enemy of the people. >> ivanka also told michake all that they are not responsible for the separation of the families at the border. why isn't ivanka trump applauded for breaking with her father? she wasn't applauded for it at home. should she be applauded for showing break here and showing she is willing to stand up and have her own voice? >> i think a lot of people may be with you on that. she did break with her father. that is difficult of itself. the other end of the spectrum will say how is she doing when she asked about breaking with her father. what is she doing to help shift policies? i think that is one of the big criticisms of her with the family separation thing.
she has been opposed to it. did she do -- what did she do to help shift her father? that is what people are saying. speaking is one thing. >> i understand that. what we have seen from the presidency is there is no one who can really tell him what to do. he is a man who is trusting his gut right now. going with his every decision. look, she is not the department of homeland security. this is not her responsibility. it is a debate we continue to have. >> no matter what she says, people will still criticize her. >> true. >> we saw president trump put his spin on ivanka trump's remarks saying she is not wrong. it is the fake news who is the enemy of the people. was that necessary? do you think he took such an affront to call her out?
>> it is ridiculous what he tweeted. suggesting that is there a difference for him between the quote fake news and real journalists. it is clear from his tweets and engaged with the press that he views the fake news media as any outlet which is critical of him. so, you know, i would not ever put cnn or "the new york times" or "washington post" in that category. the president has. he thinks those outlets are fake news. >> like the national anthem fight, this is one he likes. bill shine, a former television news executive, loves it as well. it ramped up under his watch. here is what president trump said in pennsylvania last night about the media. >> whatever happened to fair press? whatever happened to honest repo report? they don't -- reporting? they don't report it. they make up stories. they can make anything bad
because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. >> it appears it will ramp up. why do you figure he is ramping up this rhetoric? >> this is playing well with his base. if you watch fox news at any given time in primetime, you hear them refer to the fake media. destroy trump media. this plays well to his base and he is trying to rally the base to the immediate terms. it dallas sta-- to the midterms. there is no clearly person leading the party. they look at the media as the enemy or opposition. >> if there is an added bonus, undermining the russia investigation. if there is something that comes out, don't believe what you hear or see. don't believe what you read. oliver, thank you. i went to a gop unity rally in georgia for the governor's
race. they were handing out yard signs. fake news media. all of the signs were gone by the time that rally was over. >> wonderful. apple is now worth $1 trillion. we'll put that number in perspective and show you how it got there when we get a check on cnn money next. i use the color that protects as it colors. excellence haircolor by l'oréal. with pro-keratine complex rich, radiant color and it cares for my hair. no color protects better. or covers gray better. so much care in one little box. excellence crème from l'oréal paris.
call or go online today. call or go on line today. 47 minutes after the hour. iran launching a major military exercise in the persian gulf. likely to shutdown the strait of hormuz to oil production movement. we have nic robertson live in the strait of hormuz. nic, what is the broader implication? >> reporter: that is cutting off the 20% of the oil supply for the world. that is what iran's major
military exercise is under way right now play be the ability to signal that. we are told they have dozens of smaller vessels involved in this at the beginning of the military exercise. it is watched closely in the region. nothing officially from the iranians about the military exercise. nothing officially from let's say the emirates here who is close to the straits of hormuz. they have assets in place. the port facility can pump oil to bypass the straits of hormuz. that is how critical the oil route is to the world. there is spare capacity to get oil flowing through to the international markets. what are the iranians trying to do at the moment? signal displeasure with washington over the sanctions. what the iranians have said coming from the supreme leader and commander of the military forces. if they cannot export oil, then no one can. kaylee. >> nic robertson, thank you.
"new day" is ten minutes away. alisyn camerota joining us this morning. good morning, ali. big show including lou running in pennsylvania. the president stumping for him last night. see if he gets a bump from that. >> at the moment, he is down in the polls. down considerably in the polls. when the president endorses somebody, it carries a lot of weight. maybe he will get a bump from that. we will get into how the president, once again, repeated his disbelief in the russian interference investigation. at the same time his intel chiefs are trying to sound the alarm for the country so everybody is on the lookout for all of the russian interference on social media pages. we will talk about that disconnect. the good news is that it is 5:49 in the east and david gregory is now awake. i'm sure that people were concerned about that. it was touch and go. >> was it?
>> yes. for a few hours there. he is now awake and he is here, present, in the building. >> did he hit the snooze button? >> you know how hard it is when you are not used to doing this full-time. >> preach. >> i'm used to doing it and it is difficult when the 1:50 alarm goes off. what time does your go off? >> mine goes off at 3:15. >> you get to sleep in. >> david gregory's went off at 5:35. something like that. >> david gregory. get that man some coffee. see you in ten minutes. thank you. let's get a check on cnn money at 5:50. stock futures ticking lower. the market finished mostly higher yesterday. tech stocks carrying the gains. stock markets in europe and asia are mixed. investors awaiting the july jobs report due an hour before the opening bell. the forecast for 190,000 new jobs. unemployment rate expected to tick down. wages forecast to hold steady.
apple is the darling of wall street this morning. stock popped 3% yesterday. it capped off a historic mind boggling run. apple is the most valuable company in u.s. history. worth more than $1 trillion in market value. stock up 22% this year and more than 200% over the past five years. the start of the span the market cap was below $500 billion. some perspective on the new number, only 16 countries in the world have a gdp of more than $1 trillion. or this, the market cap for the four biggest banks in the united states, add all four together, and you get over $1 trillion in value. the latest company to drop plastic straws is shake shack. it plans to get rid of all in the first quarter of next year. the burger joint ceo mentioned it on the earnings call. it follows other companies like
starbucks and disney and american airlines. mcdonald's is samplinsampling. shake shack stock is up 48% this year. set to drop this morning as investors don't like the company outlook following the earnings report yesterday. still, kaylee, the $1 trillion number. look at it. >> all of the zeros. >> 12 zeros. if you invested in apple a few years back, sit back and enjoy. >> with your iphone and ipad and apple tv. >> steve jobs not around to see that number. the new york times standing by a new hire despite a history of tweets criticized as racist. more when "early start" returns. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop with 24/7 tech support.
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the trump administration believes the responsibility for finding hundreds of parents deported after separated from their children should rest with immigrant advocates. not the federal government. justice department lawyers saying the government would turnover whatever information it could on the parents deported, but say the aclu should quote use the considerable resources to establish contact. aclu lawyers argue the trump administration is trying to shirk its responsibility. the trump administration calling for a freeze on emissions standards through 2026. it would revoke california's ability to set tougher standards which are followed by a dozen states. this marks a sharp reversal from the obama administration which worked with california and auto industry to set standards. the new york times standing by its new hire.
despite rhetoric on twitter that is blasted as racism. sarah jeong has old tweets resurfaced. one said she gets joy out of being cruel to old white men. another is dumb ass blanking white people. the times backed jeong who will join the paper next month. some of the tweets were in response to harassment. she engaged in what she thought at the time was counter trolling. i deeply regret i mimicked the language of harassers. ea sports apologizing for editing colin kaepernick out of the game. in the video posted on twitter, the verse that mentioned kaepernick has been removed. the ea sports edits vulgar content, but the company admits it made a mistake. members of the team misunderstood that they don't have the rights to include colin kaepernick in the game, but
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>> announcer: msnbc "your business" is sponsored by american express. don't do business without it. hi everyone. i'm j.j. ramberg. welcome to your business, the show dedicate today helping your growing business. we know how important it is to keep your social feeds full of fresh pictures and stories. creating all that content can be time consuming and expensive. we met up with an entrepreneur who found a way to keep up with content and keep down the costs. he's done it by enlisting armies of customers to supply the content and earn money for themselves, uber-style. >> the first one we developed was a credible razor that has
everything you need to shave on the go. >> los angeles-based lela -- she developed this razor. she developed a company to market her invention. >> social media demands fresh images and fresh videos on all the platforms all the time. that, layla, discovered can cost thousands of dollars just for a single professional location shoot. >> costing $5,000 and getting 630 photos at the park with one or two models. >> that expensive old school approach to getting advertising images worked well for traditional media because people spent a lot of time looking at each magazine and newspaper. >> i have memories of my grandfather reading the newspaper. how many pictures did he see? >> he says today's approach
towards media is very different. >> the next generation will flip their finger up and look at maybe 50 or 60 different images and videos in a couple seconds. >> according to facebook, the average time spent on a mobile phone video, only 1.7 seconds. >> that's the window you have to get someone to listen to you. as long as in that 1.7 seconds i can capture your attention, you will watch more of my video. >> david says capturing viewer attention isn't the hardest part. >> which one do you like? >> what's harder is keeping their attention once they're watching. >> today we live in a world where content fatigue is a real iss issue. at a certain point i stop paying attention to your message. i'm out of here. >> the problem of capturing and holding attention may seem baffling to many of us. but for david, solution is obvious. >> there's 3 billion smartphones on this planet.
can we create a marketplace with uber or airbnb and empower people to create great quality content. his company helps large and small brands build their feeds with custom tailored pictures. he does this by bringing together picture taking consumers and the brand they love to film. >> it's a world where people want to hear from one another. a young mom can create content for other young moms. >> people mostly want to watch other people who look and sound like themselves. they tune out if they can't identify. this isn't news. advertisers have known this for a long time. >> you can save 180 calories today and every day without going on a diet. >> without going on a diet? >> that's right. >> the difference is that group identities are more narrower and more personalized. soccer fans don't want to hear from baseball fans. dog owners don't want to hear from cat owners.
the technology allows the groups to find and create that specialized peer to peer content just for themselves. >> the beauty of technology is that now it can give the -- microphone or camera. >> this means advertisers need hundreds of individualized messages reflecting the identities of each group of customers. >> no brand is say of a multimillion dollar budget to make videos for all types of people that use my product. that's not happening. >> but now it is happening. with david's model, brands can get content created by members of all sorts of groups quickly and cheaply. >> we're giving them what they're looking for. content looks like it was made by friends and family. >> i can take whatever the item is, envision how i would use it in my life or how it affects me and then turn that into a story i want to portray in that image. >> kimberly is one of the
armies. she gets notified when a client needs her. if she decide to submit something, she gets paid. that's just the beginning. client like layla discovered that these content providers will also providing useful marketing data. >> you can say things like pick the color you want. they reply back saying -- wow, i know if i should launch with this color. >> the pictures themselves sometimes reveal new uses that you never imagined. >> we got a wide range of options that i could really help me think of different ways to market the brand. >> like many, this content on demand is both answering a new need and creating new answers. >> we all need water, we all need soap. we all need transportation. those needs will never go away. how we communicate the value of the needs has changed dramatically. that is 100% the future of advertising. no question about it. >> we're here in las vegas at
shop.org where we're talking about everything retail. i just took a walk through the innovation lab, which is showing everything new in retail. i took that walk with matt shea who is the head of the national retail federation. good to see you. >> good to see you to. >> it's so exciting to see what's going on in that innovation lab. i want you to share with the audience a few of the things that are the most forward looking. >> the i lab, the innovation lab is designed to showcase technologies and new applications that retailers are deploying to engage with nair customers. we know that in today's world, it's how you engage with your customer and marry the experience of being online, being on your phone, being in a physical location in a store, interacting with the inventory, the sales team and so the i-lab has a series of exhibits and companies representing the things they're doing in a whole
range of ways. it's transforming the experience. >> let's talk about the smart shelf. that i walked up to the shelf and it was looking at me. there are colors and points on me. they knew who i was. what are they doing in response? >> i think what technology like smart shelf or similar sorts of managing the inventory. thinking about pricing and placement of the product. >> they're also thinking about messaging, right? >> pushing messages out to you, getting data, what are you responding to, what kinds of things do you look excited about. where do your eyes go on the shelf. it helps with placement and pricing and the whole range of things. really important data. >> i know that when i am online, they know who i am and i'm getting an ad targeted directly to me. now they're bringing that same experience to a brick and mortar retail store. on that shelf, the message i'm getting is entirely different for me than for you. >> the data is -- as you go
through the store, you'll get messages and products placed and presented to you in a way that's appealing and of interest to you because they'll know what it is that -- that you like what it is you're looking for and what you want. that's going to enrich the experience and going to make customers happier. they want an efficient experience, they want to be engaged and related to in the way -- they don't want to be sold something they're not interested in. they want it presented to them and know that's what i'm looking for. >> the price is a different discussion. i want to let the audience know we're not getting into for this conversation. it is a discussion out there. >> yes. >> smart mirrors, fascinating. how does that work? >> so there are several different approaches to this. at the end of the day, i think the opportunity is for a retailer to say, if you want to try this vest on, how is it going to look and fit, what's it going to be like in a different color, what's the style look like? so you can, with a tablet device, you can go through the
tablet and see on the mirror how something would look on you, how it would fit, what the colors are like, different styles and you don't have to have all the inventory there. number one, it helps you with the inventory management and number two, it creates a unique experience, rather than putting on 50 different pieces. it thinks about how you accessorize it, with these shoes. >> to me more than anything as a person who is shopping and a person who hates shopping, that is the best thing i've ever heard. i can stand in front of a mirror and given 20 ou fits and i choose which one and never lifted a finger. >> i stood in front of one in new york at a store last week with a tablet in hand and picked out a swatch of fabric and saw what that fabric looked like in navy blue and brown, in a sport coat, in a suit with different shoes on. >> on you? >> on me on the mirror. it was really amazing. it was an expensive visit, too. >> why? >> because it worked. it sells things.
>> we know about this because the amazon stores because it feels a little bit weird. this ability to check out, pull something from the shelf and check out on your phone without ever talking to anyone or going to a centralized place for a checkout. i'm getting my advil, putting on my phone and walking out. >> not even your phone. >> you put it in your pocket and you walk out. if you have a small bag, you put it in your bag and walk out. >> one of the things we know, among the paying points in the retail relationship is the checkout -- the payment process. >> yes. waiting in line. that's where there's friction. how do we make that process as compressed and seamless as frictionless as possible? there are all kind of technologies around point of sale and around payments and around stores where it's just -- it's mobile checkout or frictionless checkout. it's unbelievable. >> any kid who has stolen a pack
of gum. no more. they know. your phone is going to be charged. >> it's fascinating. >> great to see you. congratulations on this fantastic show. >> thanks for being here. october is women's small business month. we've been commemorating it with stories of female founders. in california, two women saw a need when it came to the way doctors and nurses dressed. with a little creativity and vision, they decided to revolutionize the traditional scrubs. sheinelle jones goes inside the business as many are touting the lululemon of the medical world. >> spend a bit of time with these two women and it becomes apparent, this duo is in sync. >> heather brings the ideas and the vision and i make sure all the trains go on time. >> the entrepreneurs $100 million medical apparel company is disrupting a niche market transforming the scratch i
scrubs. >> it's been around a hundred years with no change and no innovation. scrubs, before figs were outdated. >> we're taking fashion and we're taking technical and we're combining it two one. speer the harvard mba andth former handbag designer joined forces to come up with a solution to gaping hole in the $10 billion u.s. market. >> we designed with thought and function. >> with purpose. >> yes, purpose. >> it wasn't an easy sell. >> there's a lot saying what are you doing? why are you making scrubs? >> everyone said are you nuts? now i think they're all pretty surprised with what we've created. >> a creation that was almost pre-destined they say. >> i loved designing and creating as a kid. >> i wanted to be different. you got to be a hustler a little bit when you grow up in miami. >> today that hustle was paying off who were on a mission to --
20% higher than competitors. this is the first directed consumer brand in their space. >> these are people saving lives and curing diseases and no company was there to deliver them a better product in a better experience. >> a better way of thinking that has donated half a million pairs of scrubs to medical professionals around the world through their giveback program threads for threads. >> it repels bacteria, stain repellant. four-way stroech. yoga waistband. similar to athletic wear for the athlete. >> touted by some as the lululemon of the medical world. >> having that maniacal focus on a health care professionals makes us who we are today. >> it's more risky in 2018 to not take risks and not be putting yourself out there in really scary ways than not.
>> being an entrepreneur, there's extreme highs and extreme lows. you really have to see the future. you have to create it and believe in something bigger than yourself. >> there's a lot of attention paid to the beginning when you launch a business and then the end when you sell the business or have an exit. the hardest part are the middle years. our guest knows this firsthand because he's led successful companies through their triumphs and setbacks during the course of their business ventures. >> he's the chief product officer at adobe. he's also a venture partner at benchmark capital. he has a new book out called the messy middle. finding your way through any bold venture. it's nice to see you and talk about this. it's kind of the least fun part to talk about. >> it's a largely misunderstood part of every venture that i
think need to have more discussion. >> you did it, right? you started your company from nothing. it got to this point where you have a great exit with adobe. you've been around pinterest, uber as they've grown. let's talk about book. build the narrative before your product. it sound like an early thing. but you're building products all around. >> i think a lot of teams and founders build the product as a solution for customers suffering a problem. but stopping and thinking about not only the brand itself but the narrative and putting together a splash page of how to present the product once it's launched starts to fill in a lot of the gaps what your product should be and develop the tone of it. who your customers are. sometimes you realize, wait a second, i don't know if we're going to have a good go to market story around this product. there are a number of successful entrepreneur who is have done
this. a camp who found it -- a co-founder at uber, he would think about the icon and the design of it and is it everyone's private driver, is it an aspirational brand or taxis on demand. is it in every person's brand. to finding that debate helps with the product itself. >> make one subtraction for every addition. i interviewed the founder -- co-founder of nail chip recently. he talks about one of the things he really does great is kills things off. >> it's funny. i call it the product life cycle. customers get super excited about a new, simple product because of its simplicity. that new product takes all of the new customers for granted. tune in to the needs for the greatest customers or the power users by adding complexity, adding more features, adding stuff that makes it a more premium product with higher willingness to pay and then what happens, customers flock to simple product. the cycle repeats itself again
and again. how do you maintain that simplicity as a zen of your product. one little trick is that every time you have a new feature or addition to make, you ask yourself, first of all, is there something live already that i would trade for this new feature. is there something i would take out? >> you're talking product specific about taking things out. that's so smart. you end up with a product that isn't so simple because you're adding so much stuff. >> it's hard to kill anything in your product or service, right? in writing, they call it dilg your darlings. anything you've made you have an affection towards. for every new thing we're going to do, we're going to stop doing something or take a fie teature of a digital product. it can help you scale. >> let's talk about leadership now. being a steward, you say, of your perspective. >> i liken the journey of those middle miles of a journey to
taking an endless, seemingless endless car ride with the windows blacked out. you don't know what milestones you're passing. however, if the driver is narrating you through the journey saying, hey, we just passed this milestone or this landmark, in your head you're saying, okay, i'm making progress. progress begets progress. as the leader of a new venture or small business, you are the day narrator of this journey for your team. it may sound superfluous and redundant -- >> no it makes perfect sense. people need to know why what they're doing is important and where it's headed even if there's not a particular end point. >> especially without near h-te reward. to get customers and to share, you have to in some ways short circuit the rewards system by walking people through the journey and narrating it.
internal merchandising is as important as external marketing. >> congratulations on the book and your career. >> thanks, jj. employee engagement begins with employee engagement begins with strong leaders, here are five ways to keep your employee active. >> pay attention to what people are saying, rephrase it and ask questions. this will show them that you are really listening. two, check in often. you got to get regular feedback from your staff and let them know that you care. setting up quarterly review will allow you to communicate with your staff in a professional way. >> three, be flexible with roles. if you have a great employee but they're in the wrong position, think about where else they can contribute and help them make the shift to the right job.
four, be personal, minimize distractions like your phone and try using people's name when speaking to them and give them a friendly smile. this will make you approachable as a boss. five, get social, building friendship outside of a work conversation makes people happy at work whether grabbing a coffee or a team's lunch. the effort is important. >> we have some news that i am excited about. we are about to launch the third season of our podcast, been there, built that. i talked to the ceo of beauty counter. she tells us how she picks things up and how she runs a beauty line and how red lipstick may move legislation. i found her incredibly interesting. if you do, please give me some
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we have an e-mail from bill, he writes a lot of time can be wasted in meetings. what are your advice for scaling business to get your out come and not going around in circles. >> bill, it is a good question. warren buffett does not have anything on his calendar and he lose plenty of time to have people call him or calling others. i am sort of the same school. i think that you have to individually deal with your direct reports on an everyday basis to make sure everybody is in sync in the business plan. i like to call that playing business. people lead to play business less and do business more.
we have the top two tips you need to know to help you grow your business. >> scott harrison, founder and ceo of the organization of charity water. an organization that works as supplying clean water to people all over the world. jessica johnson, a family owned security firm in the bronx. it is great to see you both. we feature both of your businesses on the show because you have fantastic stories and now we get to learn something else from you guys. >> nice to see you. >> scott, let's start with you. charity water, you started this with nothing and you have raised more than $320 million from more than a million donors? >> cleaning drinking water. >> you helped around 8 million people around the world? >> yep. you run your non-profit like a for profit. we say business and no,
organization. >> you have the tendency of what so many businesses are trying to get of. one thing you learn along the way. >> the thing we embrace 12 years ago, we are trying to get cynical people who did not trust charities to take another look and care. we said look, we'll use 100% of your donations to always directly fund water projects and give people clean water and prove where that money goes and another bank account, we'll raise your rents separately so you know where every single dollar go. i trust in him and i can see the satellite images of the well that i built. i can see photos and videos and now we have sensor on our project across the world and letting us know how much water is flowing. we just made this bet that people want to see the money and
i impact. >> it is great, it has been really fun to watch you on the sideline. congratulations. >> jessica, you come on quite a bit, you are an old veteran. your company is so interesting. it is third generation and you took it over and have grown it from where it was and your company has been through this through the generation. you have taken charge of it. thank you for having us back j.j. >> one tip for maintaining your automatic s automat success is managing your clock. the coaches are really great at making sure they're managing the game from start to finish. when the clock hits 00, they are managing the i mpact of what th players do. you have to measure throughout the course of the season or throughout the course of your time period what you are doing. you need to reserve enough of
your resources and investment strength for the end of the game and make sure that one is going to make a difference that you are doing the things that matter. i think of government contract and we know that the government has a fiscal calendar that starts on october 1st and end on october 30 oeth. you have to start well in advance. when we start going out with the client, we get better results at the end data approaches and we are able to monitor the impact we are having and able to use our resources better. that also means that sometimes you need to pull people back so they can rest. you got to take people at the court. you can't go for a whole 48 minutes or a 60 minutes or a whole year, you have to pace yourself. managing the time clock is significant in our success. >> when we did the story on you, it was a big deal to get the
contract when you were a tiny shop in the bronx and you were beating out other companies. >> great to see both of you. thanks so much for stopping by. >> thank you, j.j. >> this week's selfie ace furry one. it is from colin roche from pennsylvania. he's a trainer and a dog behavioral specialist. that's one cute dog there. all of you out there. pick up your smartphone and take a selfie of you and your business and send it to your business at msnbc.com or you can tweet it to yourbusiness @msnbc. >> thank you so much for joining us today. if you have questions on the show, send us an e-mail to yo b
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true. from their actions, it tells me they think they can spin this into a good thing. >> donald trump said something over the weekend that i found to be baffling, either he has dementia or he's straight up lying. he said, let me let you listen. here is what you said and claimed over the weekend. >> crooked hillary clinton, oh, she's crooked, folks, she's crooked at a $3 bill. okay. here's one, just came out. lock her up is right. >>. [ chanting lock her up ] >> for what she's done, they should lock her up. it's disgraceful. >> so crooked hillary, wait, you should lock her up, i'll tell you. >> lock up the bidens. lock up hillary.
how do you feel about that? i think there's a level where you become public property. but if you're a girl being chased down the street by five men in the middle of the night, that should not be legal. watch your backs. it was the wild west in the �*90s. i mean, �*90s and early 20005. so it was completely crazy, the amount of stories that were coming out. and the amount of accurate stories that were appearing in the press was baffling. we would make a plan, between my partner and i, to meet somewhere, and when we got there, there would be press, which would be astounding and impossible. of course, the initial reaction is that somebody is leaking information, and somebody close to us. people that i love, and still love dearly, i did suspect and distance from, and also tried to plant stories or tell them information that wasn't true to see if it came out.
full campaign. >> it is one more thing that comes down to the simple but disturbing reality which is the republican party has become the party of trump. it's baffling at the level of political logic and we have talked about this time and time again. many of the positions donald trump advocates and enforces on the republican caucus and the house are positions that is a politically toxic one. >> there certainly politically toxic to republican members of the house that are in marginal swing districts. trump says what to do and they follow his lead. you end up with situations where more -- publicans like dan crenshaw or stone. the truth of it is that on some basic level, a lot of members do in fact preferred to be in