House this past week, but now the Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee is speaking out. Talked with cnn today. Where does their investigation go now . Well, one of the big things that both the house and Senate Intel Committees are trying to weigh is just how valuable Michael Flynn, the former National Security advisers testimony will be. Of course, the big bombshell at the end of the week is that flynn said he is willing to testify if he is granted immunity for that testimony. Hes offered this up to both of those committees. He has offered it up to fbi and the Justice Department, but it seems as though the committees in the congress are a little skeptical that there will be any real value in flynns testimony, at least to the point where they would be willing to take that immunity. This is what adam schiff, that Ranking Member on the house intel committee, had to stay about it this morning on state of the union. We dont want to do anything that will interfere in any case that the Justice Department may decide to bring. We also have to determine whether he really can add value to our investigation, whether we
need him to learn information we cant learn from other sources. So it is very early i think even to be considering this. Were not ready to consider that. Were not even publicly acknowledging that hes contacted us, and if and when we would talk to general flynn, under what other considerations. We would want to make sure we knew all of the right questions to ask. Were not anywhere close to making those drawing those conclusions yet. But yet this investigation moves forward, and of course the president himself tweeting this week that he encouraging essentially Michael Flynn to seek immunity as he moves forward in this investigation. Just another example of how this situation with russia continues to be a cloud over this white house. All right. Thank you to ryan nobles, as we turn to matt rivers now in beijing and discuss the upcoming visit with the president of china coming to the maralago resort there with the president of the u. S. This week. Today President Trump, in short,
saying the u. S. Will take on north korea with or without china. Has there been any reaction there yet . Reporter Nothing Official yet, ana, but when we ghetto fishl reaction later on today, which we are expecting here in beijing, i think you can expect the chinese to be as consistent as they have been in the past, which is to say they are rock solid in how they approach this issue. What theyve been saying for went over ten years now is that the only way to solve the ongoing crisis in the Korean Peninsula is through negotiations, whether it is under the kind of framework like the sixparty talks that ultimately failed back in the mid 2000s or with a new round of Direction Negotiations between the United States and the regime in pyongyang. That according to the chinese is the only way you can bring some sort of lasting peace and stability and get pyongyang to stop its Weapons Development program. Of course, on the other side of the equation here you have the Trump Administration arguing it is actually china that should be using its economic leverage over
pyongyang to get the kim jongun regime to stop developing these Nuclear Weapons. China does have a lot of economic leverage. It is north koreas only Major Trading ally on the world stage. I think when both president s meet for the first time in maralago later on this week, this is certainly going to be very, very high up the agenda, given how tense the situation remains in this part of the world. Matt rivers, our thanks to you. Lets talk more about all of this with former ambassador to south korea and iraq, christopher hill. He is now dean of the university of denver. He was also the lead u. S. Negotiator of the sixparty talks. Ambassador hill, thank you for spending some of your sunday night with us. Now, when President Trump hosted japans leader in february at maralago, i think we spoke on that night as north korea hit the launch on a missile there. How likely is that north korea might act out again during the chinese president s visit . You know, it is possible they could do it. I mean they tend to do these
things on their own schedule, but certainly there have been expectations and some indications that they may want to do another test, and they you know, it could come when theyre sitting in maralago talking about what to do about the north koreans. I dont think it is going to help the north korean cause much, but i think the really interesting thing will be how the chinese size up donald trump and how donald trump sizes up the chinese. President trump said today about his upcoming maralago meeting with chinas leader, quote, i have Great Respect for china. I would not be at all surprised if we did something that would be dre dramatic and good for both countries and i hope so. That was a quote from the interview with the Financial Times. Ambassador, what would a major deal with china potentially look like . First of all, a grace note from donald trump on china is kind of a good sign. Usually when you pull a rabbit out of a hat in a summit it is
because you spent a lot of time stuffing that rabbit down the hat, and so were not really sure any of that has gone on. But certainly i think there will be some some effort to say, look, chinese, if you can really, really throttle them back on this through sanctions, work on their access to your financial system, work on your trade of Raw Materials with them and, you know, meanwhile well keep the door open to a lot of things. You know, were not interested in going right to a Military Solution here, but we really need some help. It will be that kind of discussion. You know, theres been this kind of desultory thing where the chinese turn to us and say, come on, u. S. , we have to talk to these people, and we say, no, you need to do more. In fact we need to Work Together on this problem. President trump has signalled he does not plan to press human rights issues during this visit. Why do you think that is . You know, i think theres a time and place for that, but i
think theres a broad feeling in the Analytical Community that north korea is making progress on its Nuclear Weapons, and it is kind of time that that issue gets front and center in the u. S. china relationship. Maybe in the entire International List of concerns. So my hope is that they really will focus on north korea. It doesnt mean that they cant Focus On Human Rights at another time, another place, but i really think north korea ought to be front and center. This problem is coming down the tracks. I would also like to get your take on another thing that caught my eye in this Financial Times interview. President trump saying so far he has no regrets about his style or his agenda, but that governing is harder than he thought. Ambassador, it kind of seemed like a moment where President Trump was humble. Is that how you see that . Well, i think that whole Healthcare Issue really was kind of, you know, clear to him that this was a lot more difficult
than he thought. You just cant tell people what to do. It is hard to scare people. They want you to show how youre really going to do something to them, so they call your bluff all the time. So if you thought healthcare was tough, wait until he gets a load of the north koreans. I mean these are people who absolutely dont care what anyone else thinks. And so he has to solve this because he doesnt want to face the American People in 2020, having had north korea deliver or announce a deliverable Nuclear Weapon that could reach the United States. And when it comes to china, does his style or his erratic nature help him in any way in terms of negotiating with china . Well, to be frank, theyre not thrilled with iraq. No one is. But they do like decisive. They do like strong. I mean dont forget they got along great with richard nixon. They tended to get along with americas leaders who they perceive as strong and decisive, but they worry about this erratic side. I think thats why this facetoface meeting which will go on for i mean theyre going to have a couple of days down there at maralago, and i hope they will get to take the measure of each other and perhaps make some progress. Do you think kim jongun might be worried about how donald trump would respond . You know, this is a guy who seems to be right out of a mad magazine, what, me worry . Type of person. On the other hand, he has to be a little concerned because were getting to the point where we cant be patient anymore. We cant say, oh, this problem is important, but it is not urgent or immediate. It is urgent, it is important, and i think the United States is really going to have to deal with this. Obviously we have to really tighten up those alliances with japan and south korea. Thats number one. But certainly number two is a clear understanding with the chinese of what we would do, what we wouldnt do, and we need to get a clear sense of the chinese take this with the seriousness that, frankly, the
rest of the civilized world takes it. This white house has said that north korea is the greatest International Threat to this country. Do you agree . Im there. I mean i think the issues going on in the middle east really cant be left on their own. I mean there are some issues, you try to leave them on their own and hope they go away. Thats not going to go away, so thats tough. But i think in terms of a country that kind of threatens us with Nuclear Weapons, i think we have to take it very seriously, and i would put it right up there number one. I mean the issue is if north korea has a provocation against south korea, they move on south korea in some way, will the United States be prepared to do what we have to do which is intervene on south koreas part if were also concerned that north korea might fire off a missile . Obviously we can retaliate in a way that would finish north korea. I mean it would become the proverbial parking lot, but is it good enough after having lost many thousands of americans . I doubt it. So i think this really needs to be taken with utmost seriousness. All right. Ambassador christopher hill, good to have you on to niechlt thank you. Thank you. Coming up, ahead of a Supreme Court showdown on capitol hill, some good news for republicans. A Third Senate Democrat has announced support for judge gorsuch, but will the gop get enough dems on their team to fend off a filibuster . Ill have the latest numbers and we will discuss next. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. You have access to indepth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. Its like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. Its your trade. E trade. Start trading today at etrade. Com
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nuclear option, change the rules. I mean does that open a huge can of worms . Some have said it could signal the end of bipartisanship period. This has been a long time come. Justice ruth bader begins burg said, you know, when i went through it i was put to 963 and senator half, a republican, was my biggest ally, and now in this climate he wouldnt touch me with a 10foot pole. More and more these Confirmation Hearings are becoming contentious, and one of the key reason is as Congress Grid locks more of these issues are coming through the court. What this is going to mean, if there is a nuclear option, is that there are going to be more extremist candidates down the road and people are going to believe that the Supreme Court, the judicial body, is a political body. Thats something, ana, that the Supreme Court justices themselves, they really dont like that. That really bothers them. Arianne, what is your gut telling you . Any chance judge gorsuch doesnt get confirmed . Ive got to say right now it sure feels like Chuck Schumer must have his votes lined up, but the end of the day the republicans feel like, look, if you want to filibuster, were ready to pull the trigger. The democrats, theyre really going here on principle. There was a school of thought that said, look, why do this now . Youre replacing a conservative with a conservative on the bench. Why not wait to trigger this until you get somebody like Anthony Kennedy or the liberal ruth bader begins burg. But the end of the day, schumer has made clear the democrats want to pus ahead on this now, anna. Theyre digging in. Arianne de vogue. Coming up, President Trump hitting the greens with senator rand paul. Will it be a good fit with his
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rnc mike shields. Welcome back and thank you for staying with us. Thank you. Mayor, i think it is safe to say the president wont be inviting the president of china out for a round of golf at maralago this weekend. We know the chinese president is a wellknown soccer fan. He has made a policy of actually shutting down golf courses all over china. But they will be meeting at maralago, golf or no golf. What will you be watching for in this meeting . Well, first, ana, let me first say that typically is the kind of meeting that would actually take place at the real white house, the one in washington d. C. You know, the president i think has to get over the fact that hes you know, hes not just a hotel motel owner anymore. Hes actually president of the United States. How we conduct our business i think is very, very important. You know, the fact of the matter is that president xi jinping is very experienced in his work. He holds three different significant positions in china,
the ambassador from china is leading the preparations for this particular visit. So, you know, they have a sense im sure of what they want to accomplish, and, unfortunately, at the moment we have no idea what President Trump might try to do other than the rhetoric, heated rhetoric from the campaign. Well, this gave us a clue perhaps or a little sneak peek of their meeting, mike shields. President trump said this today about the chinese leaders visit. I have Great Respect for china. I would not be at all surprised if we did something that would be very dramatic and good for both countries, and i hope so. Now, in that same interview he said he did not need chinas help with north korea, and if they dont want to help, well, the u. S. Will go it alone. Mike, it seems there are a couple of different tones he is taking with china. Yeah. First of all i want to talk about maralago, and i want the viewers to google it. Maralago was actually designed as the winter white house. It used to be owned by the federal government and it was sold off because no one was
using it. It is entirely appropriate for the president not to go to camp david as other president s have, but to go to what was the winter white house. The reason for that is because you want someone in a setting where you can negotiate. Just like work was done on the golf course today with a senator who previously opposed the president on his on obamacare, presume went into louisville and did a rally targeted towards rand paul. Now theyre out on the Golf Course Doing Business together. Wonderful. I think the establishment in washington, the media and democrats dont understand how this president operates and thats how you wants it. He is going to say im moving past obamacare, and maybe we will work on obamacare. He is negotiating, trying to work out a deal, and he is going to say things to china to send signals to them, and then he will send other signals to them just sometimes to get them off of edge, sometimes to push a policy. In the end, the president is trying to put himself in a very, very good Negotiating Position and thats what he ran on. He ran on being a negotiator who is going to get america better deals than theyve gotten before. So as the process, the sausage
making is happening, it might be confusing to cover it, but behind the scenes he is putting himself in a great position of leverage with all of these countries. He did a great deal on the republican healthcare plan. That was just fantastic. That was the you see he is still negotiating. Yeah. He is still negotiating. Playing golf. Instead of the bill written in Nancy Pelosis office and shoved down our throats without knowing what is in it, he is negotiating going with regtors to work out a new deal. This bill was written by the republicans and rejected by republicans. We didnt do anything. Thats true, very true, you did not do anything. You didnt do anything to make obamacare better. We will agree on that. Gentlemen. It is going to implode on its own. Here is what the president has done this week alone. Let me put up a list here of some of the things we have been watching this week. Maybe didnt make the big headlines, but Attorney General Jeff Sessions threatened to defend sanctuary cities. Some of president obamas Climate Change policies were
undone. Chris christie was chosen to lead the fight on opioid abuse. The meeting with the president of china was announced and the president signed Executive Orders targeting trade abuse. Mayor, my question to you is Trump Supporters point to these items and say, look, he is actually doing a lot. Well, i mean he is showing up for work. I mean, you know, wherever that might be. I mean you dont get a lot of credit for that. The big things, you know, we just talked about healthcare and that debacle. The travel ban, not going too well. Were on round two. Thats not going anywhere. Not much talk about the wall anymore. That even republicans dont want to pay for. Look, there will be daytoday activity. You know, mr. Trump likes a lot of action. He thinks that that is, you know, reflective of getting something done. It is not. So he is still learning how to govern. That would be a new thing for him. Meantime, mike, we have the President Tweeting this morning that we should all be talking
about surveillance and leaks. I mean how effective are those tweets . Shouldnt he be calling more attention to some of the accomplishments . Why is he focusing so much on that other issue . Well, look, i think first of all thanks for putting that up on the screen. I think it is very fair to point out how many things this president has gotten done in the first 65 days of his administration. Why isnt the president pointing those things out himself. Instead he is talking about Surveilled Yajs and leaks. Yeah, because he is pushing back on what the media and washington d. C. Is obsessed with, which is that theyre trying to pin some sort of Phoney Russia story on him even while tons of people are looking for evidence, and theres no evidence of anything have occurred, and in the meantime ignoring what has been happening, which is people were unmasked completely irrelevant to the russian investigation. We dont know that. And possibly for political purposes. Fake news. Involving the last had. Administration. I think the president is trying to he understands he is not getting fair coverage and the way to shoot past that is to tweet to the American People what is going on. I read the Washington Post news letter with 15 stories in it, zero stories about any of the stuff you put on the screen and nine negative stories. Of course, the president is going to tweet himself exactly what we should be focused on. Thanks for putting it up again. Exactly what we should be focused on as opposed to going through the Washington Post. Think it is entirely proemt for him. Mike, why dont you read the l. A. Times which says in clear times the president should stop lying, he should have respect for established organizations, and he should actually learn how to govern. I dont care about the golf. He can play golf. He can play checkers or badminton for all i care. He needs to focus on what the american care about, which is governing, real news and leadership. Michael nutter and mike
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house. Pete rouse who was one of his top aides spent 30 years, including as chief of staff to the Majority Leader in the senate. And throughout the Obama White House there were people that had very, very deep experience. It was for that reason that he was able to pass a recovery act, that he was able to pass the Affordable Care act, and had one of the most productive first two years of any president since lyndon johnson. He would not have been able to do that if he didnt have people around him. But, ultimately, ana, it flows from the top. Now, the president has this week on a twitter tirade of sorts, attacking the Freedom Caucus, the conservative republican group, after what happened with the Healthcare Bill. What do you make of President Trumps strategy there . Was that a smart move to go on the offense against a group within his own party . It is never clear to me what is a strategy and what is an impulse on the part of this president. The fact is a couple of weeks earlier he was he could not have been more cozy with the
Freedom Caucus. In fact, he altered the Healthcare Bill that was on the floor of the house to please or to try and please the Freedom Caucus in ways that drove a lot of moderate republicans away. And then on the day that the bill was pulled from the floor, he only had negative words for democrats and blamed democrats for the bills defeat. So i think if im a member of the Freedom Caucus, im getting Whiplash Listening and watching this president. You know, i think this goes back to a core issue, which is credibility matters when youre president. No one is going to take your threats seriously and no one is going to take your outreach seriously if they dont think that it will have enduring meaning. And hes going to find it hard to achieve his Political Goals if he shifts from pillar to post based on his mood of the day. And so i dont know whether it is a strategy or an impulse. Again, that was david axelrod. You can check out davids podcast, the x files at cnn. Com. Our thanks to him for the conversation. Still to come, a mystery that has left communities in Washington Dc in shock and fear. Why are girls disappearing and does race have anything to do with how Police Respond . We will take a closer look at this next. You are live in the cnn newsroom. When you booked this trip, you didnt know we had over 26,000 local activities listed on our app. Or that you could book them right from your phone. A few weeks ago, you still didnt know if you were gonna go. Now the only thing you dont know, is why it took you so long to come here. Expedia. Everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. You get to do the dishes. Ed. Bring em on. Dawn ultra has 3 times more greasecleaning power. A drop of dawn and grease is gone. 2017 alone, and 22 cases were unsolved as of wednesday. Cnn Law Enforcement analyst Charles Ramsey spent nearly a decade as the police chief in washington d. C. And he is joining me now. Chief ramsey, thank you for spending the time to talk about this important issue. I want to talk first about the Congressional Black Caucus now calling for a federal investigation into this. The group sent a letter last week to both Attorney General Jeff Sessions and fbi director james comey, and sessions was briefed on the missing girls on friday. Do you agree with lawmakers it has reached a point where a federal investigation is warranted . Well, i dont know if a federal investigation is warranted, but certainly we take these matters very seriously. If that would lead to some kind of recommendations on how we can decrease the number of children that wind up missing, then it would be worth while. It just depends on the circumstances. Now, d. C. Police tweeted this, saying there isnt a spike in missing people in d. C. We are just using social media
more to help locate them. Sorry to alarm you. Here is what we know about these messing cases. Metropolitan police have seen over 2,000 missing cases, children specifically, a year since 2014. Is this the d. C. Police department doing enough to make a difference here in this . Yeah, i think so. Theres only so much you can do. You have to remember, these are some alarming numbers but most children are returned home safely within a relatively short period of time after theyre reported missing. Sometimes it is the result of a custody battle. But there are occasions when kids are abducted, and obviously we take these matters very seriously. In some cases an amber alert is put out in order to get the public involved in helping us locate these children, but the number of children that are missing is something that were always very, very concerned about. So that number, 2,000ish a
year does not alarm you . Well, sure, it alarms me. If youve got people who have children that are missing, but it doesnt mean all of those children are still missing. Oftentimes a kid will be on his way home from school, wind up going to a neighbors house and not call home, and you wind up finding the child within a relatively short period of time. Some of the concern that were hearing from activists and from these lawmakers and the Congressional Black Caucus is that there seems that there are an abnormal number of minority children who are still missing. And when we talked with the Center For Missing And Exploited Children they back that up, saying about 57 are people of color who are missing. Why do you think that is . I dont know why that is, but it is a disproportionate number of minority children that wind up being reported as missing. Again, theres a smaller percentage that are never found, but it is something thats
baffling. If theres something, some research or something that could be done to find out exactly why that is that would be helpful. Let me read this statement from the d. C. Police chief. It says, there is always a concern of Human Trafficking, but we have no evidence for this. With the number of missing girls being reported in d. C. , is there something authorities could do to help calm nerves . Well, i think what theyre doing now, using social media to try to get a handle on whats going on, maybe somebody has seen the youngster and can report that and then the police can locate her and bring her back to her parents, or him, whichever the case may be. But you do all you can to try to locate these kids. Now, some are run aways and they dont want to be found, but there are some cases, unfortunately, where kids are abducted, Human Trafficking is a huge issue that really flies under the radar across the country to a large extent. So we have to be aware and very vigilant to make sure that our kids dont get caught up in Something Like that. It sounds like the use of social media could be really useful. As you say, it does draw more attention to the issue. Maybe thats a good thing. Well, it is a good thing. Again, any time you start using a new tool and you raise awareness, people get the impression that somehow it has gotten far worse than it was before. It is bad any time you have one child thats missing. But i wouldnt say that it is any worse now than it was a year or two ago, but it is a good thing that the public is now focused on this because it is a problem. Any advice to parents watching tonight . Talk to your kids. Make sure that they know to check in if theyre not going to go straight home, and if something does happen Pay Attention to what is going on. Run, scream, fight, do whatever you have to do if it is a case of abduction, but they need to talk to their kids. Dont be afraid to talk to them about Something Like this. And if they are missing or get lost, go to the nearest police
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that works even beyond the nose. So you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. Flonase. 61 changes everything. Except when it comes to retirement. At fidelity, you get a Retirement Score in just 60 seconds. And well help you make decisions for your plan. To keep you on track. Its your retirement. Know where you stand. At the time her devotion was a secret and private affair. People were amazed at her brazenly public act of e devotion. They took their cue from her. They started bringing out their own statues displaying them publicly. They began flocking to her house in solidarity with her. This small house in the middle of a tough neighborhood became a mecca for devotees across mexico. So many people come here from all over mexico with their offerings ask prayers and i notice that they all have something very specific they are asking for. Whether its love or a job or protection. When you pray, is there something specific that you ask for . The host is joining me now. Why are so many people drawn to santa it muerte . For a great many mexican bs. They feel the state have abandoned them. The Catholic Church rejected them. So they are looking for alternative sources to feel protected and safe. To feel as though they have some control over their lives. And because she is so france action transactional, its all about asking her for very specific things. Which she will deliver to you. Shes become the dpoto saint for those who feel they have no other place to turn. Interesting. And i understand that there are some catholics who are a part of this devotion, but kat can lick leaders have condemned this. What is the conflict there . For the Catholic Church, it equals demonic worship. The church clearly says that christ came to defeat death. So the worship of death is somehow antichrist or antichristian. Many devotees will say that they are catholics. They feel catholic and they just have an extra saint. A great many reject the church altogether and say this is nothing to do with catholicism, but the church disagrees. For the church, this is a cult. Its satan worship. As we saw in the clip. You talked to people about their prayers and also mentioned that they are looking to santa for protection. What are they specifically praying for . For most people when they think of santa muerte, they
think of criminals and traffickers and people on the fringes of society because they are the ones who flock to this devotion, and thats true. But the fact of the matter is, the devotion has become much more open and much more expanded. Whats happened is the argument for saint death is that it doesnt play favors. It doesnt matter youre rich or poor or powerful or powerless, death plays no favorites. She comes for everyone. Theres something beautiful about that kind of devotion that brings the most unlikely people together. You will see a rosary of devotees that come together to pray as one. You speak with so much passion. You can tell you have gotten into this and it makes it exciting to watch. Thank you for joining us. And the. Episode tonight here on cnn at 10 00 eastern and pacific. Speaking of prayer, Basketball Fans from Washington State and North Carolina will be praying tr a big win tomorrow in the ncaa championship. Its basketball royalty. The Unc Tar Heels looking for a Suction Title versus the bulldogs dreaming of their first title. I remain in first place. I cant believe it myself. This is our anchor bracket. But in third place, thats the one we have to watch. Kate baldwin, because if unc wins, the office title goes to kate. May the best team and woman win. Now i cant help myself. On the womens side, lets talk about the new national champion. The gamecocks defeat the Mississippi State bulldogs. At the womens final four in dallas. Mississippi state was coming off that historic upset win over the Uconn Women In the semifinals, but in the end, they came up one win short. The bulldogs sprinted out to an early lead. South carolina persevered and took the lead and never looked back. Stay with cnn. We have a great night of television ahead. Here at 10 00 p. M. Eastern,
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