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Figure may be way too low. the real number is likely to be closer to $400 billion. lets bring in my colleague ken dilanian. ken, i cant get nigh head around a number that big. >> this is a straf gee. straf gee, the biggest fraud in history. ive talked to the secret service at length. thats a low ball estimate. lexus nexus and i.d. me which have contracts with the states say fraud and unemployment programs alone is between $200 and $400 billion on top of the loan programs, the disaster relief fun...

What we dont favor manipulating companies. >> bill: you would have to prove your case though. you would have to show that he did something wrong and you would have to show it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> therefore, there has not to be specific transparency. did he drive companies into bankruptcy. we have got to get down to facts. >> bill: our people are researching it right now to show that they created 75 million jobs. >> thats a low ball estimate, bill. >> bill: you know how they go. oh my go...

What we dont favor manipulating companies. >> bill: you would have to prove your case though. you would have to show that he did something wrong and you would have to show it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> therefore, there has not to be specific transparency. did he drive companies into bankruptcy. we have got to get down to facts. >> bill: our people are researching it right now to show that they created 75 million jobs. >> thats a low ball estimate, bill. >> bill: you know how they go. oh my go...

What we dont favor manipulating companies. >> bill: you would have to prove your case though. you would have to show that he did something wrong and you would have to show it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> therefore, there has not to be specific transparency. did he drive companies into bankruptcy. we have got to get down to facts. >> bill: our people are researching it right now to show that they created 75 million jobs. >> thats a low ball estimate, bill. >> bill: you know how they go. oh my go...

America is security for america. and it is jobs for american workers, jobs that cant be outsourced. lets drill, baby drill, not stall, baby, stall. >> that woman is an idiot. lets bring in joe rome senior fellow at the center for american progress, editor of climate degree progress.org and author of "straight up." thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me, keith. >> bp originally said it could handle a spill by itself, it originally said it would be 1,000 barrels a day. how has that ...

Workers, jobs that cant be outsourced. lets drill, baby drill, not stall, baby, stall. >> that woman is an idiot. lets bring in joe rome senior fellow at the center for american progress, editor of climateprogress.org and author of "straight up." >> thanks for having me, keith. >> bp originally said it could handle a spill by itself, it originally said it would be 1,000 barrels a day. how has that affected this whole thing, what they said? >> yeah, well bp gave us, you know, they said trust us. ...

>> that woman is an idiot. lets bring in joe rome senior fellow at the center for american progress, editor of climateprogress.org and author of "straight up." thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me, keith. >> bp originally said it could handle a spill by itself, it originally said it would be 1,000 barrels a day. how has that affected this whole thing, what they said? >> yeah, well bp gave us, you know, they said trust us. and they said, they gave us a low ball estimate for the s...

Okay, that he went into all this collective bargaining stuff with the public employees union saddling this state with $60 billion of unfunded liabilities. thats a low ball estimate. he doesnt want to talk about that. >> bill: well, ms. whitman has pointed it out. now, if you were advising -- look, we are seeing very dirty campaigns in louisiana with senator vitter running. here in new york the gubernatorial thing is really really down and dirty. if you were advising candidates, do they have to r...