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Forces. >> bret: okay, marc, the other side of the coin once do you that and a will talk to bill here, you do get closer to some kind of reaction from putin whether you want to do that or not, whether you say we are stronger arched we can handle it, the nuclear pushback, the possibility of world war iii, that is the other side of the coin, bill. >> yeah, i have a little different read than marcs but in the interest of time consistency is not the hallmark of this administration. in terms of call ...

If you zoom into the numbers here, over the last few weeks, the presidents approval rating among white men in particular, the very group that propelled him to office, has dropped by 11 points. how do you explain that? and is that perhaps the more concerning number for the president? >> until friday, the trump presidency had not been terribly successful. i suppose to his base anything he does is a success. but to the broader population and certainly to analysts, until friday when he got gorsuch a...