on our broadcast here tonight from our nbc news election headquarters on democracy plaza, decision day. that means election night soon we get to learn the verdict of a nation. either another term or another president after a long and bitter campaign and a grueling fight to the finish. tonight, what we'll be looking for as the first returns start to come in. and after the storm in the cold, without power after losing so much, they came to cast their ballots. tonight the extraordinary election effort to make sure everyone gets to vote while so much human suffering continues. nightly news this election night, decision 2012 begins now. good evening from our
spectacular location here tonight at rockefeller plaza, in the center of new york city, transformed for thevening into democracy plaza. our nbc news election night headquarters. across this country today from the first light of day in montana, americans voted. they voted in temporary tents and by flashlight in the rockaways here in new york, where after all an entire region remains crippled and this will remain another cold, dark night for upwards of a million people. the first polls have already closed. more are closing in the next 30 minutes. people are still lining up to vote tonight in the state that may be the greatest prize of all, ohio. the candidates are spent after an exhaust iing campaign. now it all comes down to tonight. and just after midnight in keeping with a grand american tradition, the people of
dixville notch, new hampshire cast the first votes in the nation and voted to a 5/5 tie. the first tie vote in that small town's history. we can only guess what that means for how late we'll be at this tonight. our team is in place all over the country and here in wbr id "wbr1380" new york. we want to begin with our white house correspondent kristen welker covering the president in chicago. kristen, good evening. reporter: brian, good evening to you. the obama campaign is energized tonight, but also a bit wistful. after four years in office, the candidate once known for hope and change is counting on voters to stay the course. my name is barack obama, you know, the president? reporter: president obama campaigning tirelessly in the final hours before the polls closed, stopping by a chicago campaign office, to stress the importance of turnout. we have to round up the votes. reporter: since saturday, he's kept up a break neck campaign pace, logging more than 7,000 miles aboard air force /b
one. making a dozen stops over eight states and granting 20 interviews to local stations. i hope we have a big turnout in iowa. reporter: after a long fight it came down to a sentimental journey to the packed center of des moines, iowa. i've come wbr-id "wbr1980" back to iowa one more time to ask for your vote. this is where our movement for change began. reporter: and it didn't surprise even veteran aids when the president reached a certain portion of his emotional speech with his voice strained. that shows you what one voice can do. reporter: and teers flowing down his cheech. it was the last event of his last presidential campaign. as you know, this is a pretty emotional time for us, because this is the final event of my husband's final campaign. reporter: today our nbc affiliate in des moines asked the president about his tears. a photographer got a little
tear going down your left cheek. was that the cold out there or emotion? >> you know, probably a mix of both. i have to say that being back in des moines, thinking about all the folks in iowa who had worked so hard on my campaign back in '08 and then to see them still working hard back in 2012, it made me feel deeply moved and honored to have been able to be on this journey. >> reporter: this final stretch has taken on the feel of a family reunion, with aids from 2008 rejoining, some growing good luck beards, others wearing good luck charms. the president's tradition, a game of basketball with some of his closest friends and advisers. in fact we have a shot of him with one of the folks who played today, former illinois state treasurer. president obama will have dinner with his family tonight at his
chicago home before watching election returns with the rest of his team. >> sports is a superstitious business. kristen welker starting us off. thanks. now to the other side, peter alexander traveling with the romney campaign. and tonight that means headquarters, back home in boston. peter, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening to you. within the last hour, mitt romney just landed back here in boston after wrapping up his final campaign swing. tonight he's going to watch those returns alongside his wife ann and all five of their sons. during that last flight he spoke to reporters and said he was very proud of the campaign, adding, and i quote, we put it all on the field. at the end of an exhausting quest for the white house. mitt romney cast his ballot alongside his wife ann in their home state of massachusetts. his mind was on the midwest. >> i feel great about ohio. >> reporter: governor romney went straight from the polls to
his campaign plane with paul ryan. >> i'm awed by the spirit and enthusiasm, support, energy, it's just amazing. thank you. >> reporter: while mr. romney thanks volunteers, later fueling up on fast food. it was a near traffic jam on the tarmac in cleveland. air force two carrying the vice president to a late campaign swing of his own touched down behind the governor's jet. he appeared almost overwhelmed by the reception in a state until now he largely ignored. >> that's when you know you're going to win. >> reporter: mr. ronlny said he didn't want to look back with anything other than satisfaction about his campaign. last night the romneys were greeted by a rock star's welcome in new hampshire. a three minute ovation in the state where the former massachusetts governor kicked off this campaign more than 500
days ago. >> i have a clear and unequivocal message. with the right leadership, america's going to come roaring back. >> reporter: late today after a bitter campaign, mr. romney struck a conciliatory tone. >> the president has run a strong campaign. i believe he's a good man and wish him well, but it's time for new direction. it's time for a better tomorrow. >> reporter: from that conversation with reporters tonight, it is clear that governor romney deeply believes he is going to win tonight. so confident apparently, he says he's only written one speech, a victory speech. >> peter alexander, romney headquarters in boston, where it's going to be a long night. let's fly across the plaza, a location we're going to be checking in with a lot, chuck todd, the keeper of the numbers. so chuck, give us a viewer's guide in effect, a lot of folks
tuning in now will be with us the rest of the way out. what to look for tonight? >> good news for you presidential political junkies, before 9:00, look at how many states in the battlegrounds where the polls will be closed? six of the sort of ten states we've been eyeing in either direction. the first big one comes up in a few minutes, the state of virginia. there's certain things to watch in the state of virginia. we expect it to be a tight race. if it's a good night for romney, is it something we're able to call by 9:00 or 10:00? is it a good night for the president, does he get it in his column early. i've done all these scenarios. there's not many romney scenarios that don't include the state of virginia. two others i want to circle here. pennsylvania and north carolina. these are states that democrats believe -- something that's going to be in the president's column, north carolina something that's going to be in romney's column. what if they're too close to call at 9:00. if pennsylvania's too close to
call, good news for romney. if north carolina is, good news for the president. >> we'll be checking in along the way. thanks a lot. we're joined now by three former nbc news chief white house correspondents, andrea mitchell, david gregory, savannah guthrie, who will be with us the rest of the way, of course. same question to chuck. what are the moments you'll be looking for tonight? >> the keys to the game here, as it were, two teams, and is obama's defense better than romney's offense? obama's got to protect the midwest tonight, he can do that, the states he won in 2008, ohio, iowa, wisconsin, he gets a second term. is romney's offense better. can he expand the battleground map? if he does that, he has his shot. what does the vote and the voter look like? how white is it? how nonwhite is it? what's the gender gap like, and what about men, white men in particular, for one side or the other. we're going to be paying a lot of attention on that. >> we got to barnstorm around on
air force one for about 24 hours last week. what struck me, it's not '08 and you and i were talking about this before we went on the air, in so many ways. >> when you think about 2008, that was the night this country elected the first african-american president. four years later, if you look at the data, this is a country more racially divided politically than it has been ever before. the president is winning margins with nonwhites, upwards of 66%, losing whites by 21%. and that fact alone may be determinative of what the electorate looks like tonight. i think about how divided this country is, along racial lines, gender lines and political lines. we know this is going to be an extremely close race no matter what happens. what will that tell us for how we'll govern the next four years. >> to andrea mitchell, you're covering the senate and house races tonight.
there's a lot of closely watched contests? >> speaking of partisanship, we're going to be watching to see whether the democrats can retain control of the senate. they have more to defend. the republicans have some self-inflicted wounds that they themselves would acknowledge with todd akin and richard murdoch, the candidates who spoke so controversially about rape. we're going to be watching women, 18 of these candidates in both parties in the senate are women. we're watching the house, of course. republicans expected to retain control of the house. what's going to happen to the tea party and the partisanship in the house. >> andrea mitchell wrapping up our purely political subtext tonight. by this time tomorrow night, this plaza will likely be full of swirling snow from a huge storm that's going to add insult to injury to this region. already for millions of voters here in the northeast, this election day includes such a painful subtext as the suffering
from hurricane sandy continues for so many people. ron allen's been covering that, he's across the river from new york city in hard hit hoboken, new jersey. ron, good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you, brian. this city hall has been the center for relief operations here. today they added voting to the long list of things they're trying to accomplish. for voters in new york and new jersey, still battling the aftermath of the storm, there was frustration and confusion, and a huge problem caused by e-mail voting. election day got off to a chaotic start in communities outside new york city that still don't have power. when voters arrived at polling places that were not ready. >> it's a disgrace. i've been here three times, they finally got machines in, now the machines are jammed up. >> reporter: in manhattan, where the storms effects still linger, the lines were long. in queens, tents were set up outside unusable polling places. shuttle buses carried other voters to alternative sites.
throughout the metro area, some who turned out early even used flashlights. any means possible to have their vote counted. >> that's the only frightening part. there's a lot of people that just don't have positions to come and vote. >> reporter: registered voters could cast ballots at any polling place. in new jersey, anyone displaced by the storm could vote by e-mail or fax. an unprecedented move that overwhelmed election offices. frustrated voters who could not get ballots vented on social media. voting in new jersey is a disaster, said one tweet. late today the governor made it clear, e-mail voting is limited. >> you have been displaced from your home because of the storm. get your butt up and go vote at your polling place. >> reporter: buildings normally used for voting served many rolls. in hoboken, voters lined up at one side of the high school, while on the other side, storm victims lined up for emergency supplies. and many still plan to vote.
>> i'm still going to vote. that's not going to change anything. >> reporter: late today because of that huge backlog, the deadline to vote by e-mail was extended to friday night at 8:00 p.m. even before that move critics were warning of voter fraud. and legal experts say all this will land the state of new jersey in court. brian? >> ron allen across the way in hoboken tonight, ron? our justice correspondent pete williams has been watching for all reports of irregularities at the polls today. he reports that so far things have gone fairly well for the most part. he'll be part of our election night coverage tonight. however, one incident quickly went viral starting this morning. it happened to a voter in pennsylvania today as he filmed himself pushing the electronic screen, the obama button, the machine checked off romney's name instead. he eventually figured out how to touch a screen in such a way
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we're back, this was the scene in the far rockaway section of queens in new york city today. hundreds lined up to get food and water from the national guard and nypd. among the items being handed out. blankets from the new york marathon that was cancelled. in one area particularly hard hit, staten island. the problems are piling up. when you have a problem, send in the marines, well, they did, as stephanie gosk found out there today. >> reporter: marines on patrol. this season thele monday province, it's the storm ravaged streets of long island. 50 marines in a community that need the muscle. especially the merchants. >> it's a huge job. they said, no problem, we can do it. >> reporter: a kindergarten teacher can't talk about her home without crying. russian immigrants, they worked for years to save enough money
to buy their house. demolition is the only way to save what's left. >> of course, it's a big help. we can't do it by ourself. >> reporter: this is the kind of work that is needed all along this block. people are coming by to help out, but they're charging $3,000 to do what these marines are doing in here for free. >> reporter: in just an hour, the job was done. >> when i walked through these streets, it's like nothing i ever saw before. these homes were ripped off the foundation, fires, floods, winds. everything damaged this place so bad. >> reporter: they said at camp lejeune they were getting ready to deploy again to the middle east when they got the call to come to staten eye land. >> everyone's thankful to be here. >> reporter: the marines returned to their chopper to fly back to their ship. they will be on the ground here again tomorrow. this debris field behind me is
now a 24 hour a day operation. the pile already big is going to get a lot bigger, brian. >> stephanie, i'm sitting here thinking you've been shot at while covering marines around the world. at least you're in the more hospitable climate of new york. there's this other storm on the way. by this time tomorrow night we could be seeing bands of snow through new york. the problem is the coastline, there are already mandatory evacuations underway in some jersey shore beach communities. the low lying one where the dunes -- the protection is gone, washed away. jim cantore is with us for an update on the severity of the storm. good evening. >> it's already coming to fruition, you can see it just off the coast here. these high clouds screaming north to where it's going to be another cold night tonight in new england. and these storm ravaged area. this model is going to give us an idea of what the storm is
going to do. possibly tomorrow morning, no precipitation on the coast yet. it won't be long after that, look what happens during the evening brian. we change the rain over to snow, even in new york city, the hard hit jersey shore, across long island as well. the wind, surge and now the snow to add insult to injury. nine days after sandy. >> unbelievable. we'll talk to you next right back here tomorrow night, jim cantore, thanks. we'll take a break. in a moment, what voters are telling us mattered most to them as they left the polls today. [ ] are you sure you can fit in there? [ chuckles ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] around view monitor with bird's-eye view. nice work. [ male announcer ] introducing the all-new nissan pathfinder. it's our most innovative pathfinder ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ anyone have occasional constipation,
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time for an every four year staple. every election day nbc news and other organizations conduct those exit polls, asking voters what they were thinking as they left their polling places. all night tonight, tamaran hall will be just off the ice with voters opinions. >> do you think things in this country today are generally
going in the right direction or seriously on the wrong track. early exit polls show voters are a bit more negative than positive. but not by much. 52% believe it's going in the wrong direction. let's compare these numbers to previous elections. george w. bush ran for a second term in 2004. at the time about half the country believed things were going in the right direction. by 008, a record 75% of the voters said the nation was on the wrong track. that is when we saw the economic meltdown, the republicans lost the white house. in 2012, the national mood has improved a lot in four years. it's a bit more negative than positive. will it be enough to help president obama keep his job? stay tuned? >> tamaran, thanks. we're just moments away from poll closings in several states. we're back after this.
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>> good morning. it is thursday january 15th. welcome to "morning joe," emp.",,"",," everyone. with us onset is foreign affairs columnist and editor at large for "time" magazine ian bremer. and associate professor at columbia university school of international and public affairs, dorian warren. in washington, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steel joins us. in san diego, editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin halperin. >> it's surprisingly like willie geist at 3:00 in the morning. >> he is up early. lovely background. >> gorgeous. that is gorgeous. you know mika these ohio people are just crazy. like what's the matter with ohio? i'm going to write a book called" what's the matter with ohio". >> who do you mean? >> whom the gods would destroy,
they first make mad. the second thing they do is give them a national championship. they burn down the campus. >> burn a couch. >> you're thinking okay that's not bad. it happen right? we, of course don't do that in alabama because you kind of get bored by winning championships. >> big ten here. >> but then willie -- >> i see where this is going. >> but then but then they get a bartender who wants to poison the speaker of the house. the orange america's first orange speaker. and they hate him just because of the color of his skin. but they're going to kill him for that. right? >> what? >> then another ohio dude decides he's going to blow up the capitol. >> i think they're one in the same, but whatever. >> was it the same dude? >> no. >> it's not. it's a different dude. >> i'm telling you, these buckeyes -- >> i think it's too early, joe. >> no this is serious point. >> i know. >> you can draw a straight line to urban meyer going to ohio
state and all of these terror plots. >> did you take your meds? >> am i the only one surprised? >> did you take your meds? >> hold on a second. dan dan, alex is this not happening? >> it's happening. >> it's a coincidence, they say. >> do we take over flyover states, do we do that? >> only -- only if i go there. and then it's the center of the world. then i come back to the coast and we just talk about the coast. and barack obama. >> yes, yes, yes. >> those poll numbers. >> i know. >> they're going high. they're getting up there. >> i'm not surprised. that's good yes. >> you know what they say. >> what? >> whom the gods will destroy, they give a majority in congress. it's always a surprise how president s do so much better when the opposing party controls congress. >> yeah. the dynamic, yes. >> it always happens. americans start looking at that president who they didn't really
like when he had a monopoly and they go wait a second we need him there to balance out the republicans, or vice versa. >> we'll get to that as well as other political news in just a moment. but first, on a serious note there are -- >> that was very serious. >> yes it was. there are new concerns about homegrown terrorism after authorities say they thwarted a terror plot against one of the country's most iconic buildings. an ohio man now facing charges for allegedly plotting a military style attack on the capitol capitol. officials say he was inspired by islamic state militants and anwar al awlaki. the u.s. born spokesman for al qaeda. this is the man now in custody. 20-year-old christopher lee cornell. koert documents say he wanted to plant pipe bombs around the capitol and then shoot officials who tried running away. investigators say he came to their attention last august when he used an alias to post pro-isis messages on twitter.
court documents also say he discussed his plans with a man that he thought was sympathetic. the man was actually working undercover for the fbi. officials say cornell was arrested after he bought two semi automatic rifles and 600 rounds of ammunition at a gun range. the fbi says the public was never in danger. cornell's father says his son did recently convert to islam but can't believe what he's being accused of. >> people that really know chris, they know he's a good guy. i don't think -- like i said you know i was completely blind sided by this. this came as a complete surprise, you know? chris is -- i mean he never leaves the house. he's a mommy's boy. he never showed any -- any signs of any -- any kind of violence or anything. i mean quiet, shy, good kid. >> you feel bad, so bad for dad.
but, willie if he hasn't left the house in 20 something years, that's a good warning. >> he's not that good a kid, dad. i understand dad is not feeling great about what happened. the police say he's hardly a model terrorist, re-enforcing what the father said. you can't leave the go i untouched if he's talking to informants and blowing up the capitol you've got to do something. great work by the fbi, unlgds cover, used their intelligence and took him down at a gun shop yesterday. now to france where police may be on the verge of a big break in their investigation into the paris terror attacks. police confirm that amedi coubali rented a small home and filled it with weapons the week before his siege at a kosher supermarket. a french newspaper reports a scooter was found that could identify a possible accomplice. there's also new security camera footage from inside the grocery store. the gunmen can be seen ordering a hostage to put his hands against the wall and in another image a worker is forced to
stand on a stool to disable a camera. meanwhile, since last week's attack france has arrested more than 50 people after prosecutors ordered a crack down on hate speech antisemitism and individual supporting terrorism. it comes as the first issue of "charlie hebdo" since the massacre sold out across france within hours. the paper is so sought after that companies are going for more than $1,000 -- some of them are going for $1,000 on ebay. french president francois hollande says the magazine has been reborn and, quote, you could murder men and women but you could never kill their ideas. >> ian obviously france is having to focus mainly on antisemitism right now. that seems to be where they're focused. this is such a big problem in france and across europe isn't it? >> it's doing to become much larger. i mean the fact is that the economic environment continues to be incredibly poor in these countries for large swaths of
the population. there's a very great division within these societies. treatment of jews. you look at surveys. one just came out recently from britain britain. some 45% of respondents promoted antisemitism in some direct way. over 50% of jews responded felt like they did not have a clear future in britain. >> you're an european expert. it is just absolutely fascinating to me and horrifying to me how antisemitism has played such a large role in the history of europe over the past thousand years. there's always a reason and always an excuse given to hate jews in europe. of course now it's the palestinian conflict. but you could go back you know you could go back to the days of martin luther. i mean the people that we revere martin luther was a raging antisemite. you could look at the magna carta, yes, freedom for
everybody but jews. you don't have to repay debt to jews. you don't have to treat jews equally. this strain of antisemitism reached the climb maxax when 6 million jews were murdered in europe while a lot of anticommunisms stood there and watched. i just wonder how this continent has -- after hitler and after the holocaust, how 50 60 years later they have collective amnesia. >> it's interesting. it's one of the reason, of course, you do see a backlash in many european countries against the motions of the kind of expansive free speech that we support in the united states. it's not because they don't care about individual liberties but because precisely they're concerned ability reopening these boxes that can lead to hate speech and hate crimes against any minorities. this has been the year where pecetti has been the man for europe. much less so in the united states.
he's not become the kind of celeb he has in europe and he has in france. the fact that the european economy is not rebounding the fact that they're not going up you don't see the productivity. energy prices are higher. people are not benefiting. if you're in these countryiescountries, you feel you're a peasant work for you, you go back to your lowest common denominator which is about the individual nations. that's the problem. >> can you explain for everyone watching quickly. it's telling we were talking about a couple of years ago, the french and german lecturing barack obama and his administration on economics. can you explain the difference between america's economy and -- don't worry, republicans, i'm not giving barack obama the credit, i'm giving america the credit and i always said we're going to rebound and be strong. can you explain the difference between america's economy, as imperfect as it is and the state of europe's economy? as far as attitudes go and vitality and.
>> tlb a lod ophere are a lot of factors here. the revolution, we are the world's largest producer of calories in terms of food. >> right. >> the demographics are great. >> yeah, yeah yeah. just tell us why we're winning. >> those are reasons why we're winning. >> you're supposed to say manifest destiny and we're great. >> we took lots of greatertory. that's certainly true. you also have enormous support for entrepreneurship in the united states. much easier to start your own company. and there's no question that the general attitudes of americans, you've consistently had pugh research and the rest that 90% of americans polled believe they will end up in the top 10% or their kids will over the course of the next -- although that's clearly not true. it's not true in europe. >> right. that is the essence, mika of the american dream and that is the essence of this country's economic greatness that i can grow up in a small house and belief that i can either live in
a small house when i get older or i can work really hard and live in the biggest house on the hill and blah blah, blah. whatever. you have that feeling, but you talk to people from france aroundand you talk to business owners in france and they constantly talk about their frustration, that if they work hard and work around the clock and are entrepreneurs, they're actually looked upon with suspicion. and even though upward mobility has really collapsed in this country -- >> glad you just said that because i was -- >> -- there is still the belief here and i believe we're going to fix that that there's never been dorian, in great britain, that there's never been in france, this class structure that muslims feel trapped by a lot of middle class and lower middle class frenchmen and brits have felt that for centuries. >> for centuries. america was at one point especially in the mid to late 20th century the democracy of
equal opportunity. as we've just mentioned, a lot of those ladders of opportunity have closed in the last 20 30 years. but i was reading an article this morning about french immigrants and outer rings of paris where unemployment rates are at 20% and for many french -- or immigrant youth are at 40%. so there's a sense that there is no economic opportunity at all in many of those communities. that gets us to a conversation about what are the underlying causes that drive people towards radical ideologies in certain place sdpls place. >> you can drive through those suburbs and you can see it immediately, just the difference. really quickly, one final thing on unemployment, 40%. i saw a stat last week that unemployment in america for people with bachelor's degree is like 2%. isn't that remarkable? >> well, and also just really quickly, we were going to get to
these polls and i think we'll have time. but according to a new poll americans, 27% of americans say the economy is excellent for good. up 11 points from a year ago. so attitudes are changing. the republican national committee has announced dates for 2016 convention. the event will be held in cleveland, in mid july about six weeks earlier than 2012 convention. party chairman ryan moved up the convention as part of a strategy -- >> in ohio. do they really want to go there? >> the nominee gained earlier access to the general election funds. he has sought to strengthen it by scaling back the number of debates as well. mark halperin, you're in san diego covering the republican's winter meeting. what do we expect to hear from that? >> announcement later today the first day of the convention will be devoted to capturing terrorists and murderers. >> he brings it. >> never been done before. >> going to be hard getting back to the buckeye state for me. i love that place. >> the delegates are going to
fan over ohio and capture people and bring them back to the convention. governor romney will be here tomorrow night but you will hear ben carson and scott walker speaking today, rick perry is speaking tomorrow. all the buzz here is about the 2016 race and a lot of surprise and question about what governor romney is doing and whether it's a little bit of a mirage that he might not even run or if he does run, collapse before he gets ahead of steam, or has he transformed the race? >> michael steel, it's been a remarkable ten days maybe two weeks in the party that you once led. chairman of the rnc with jeb bush effectively announcing he's getting into the race. for all intents and purposes and mitt romney being pressured by the pace of jeb's announcement to do the same. >> right. >> what do you make of the developments over the last two weeks? do you think mitt romney/jeb bush do run? are they standing on the stage of those late debates? >> i do.
i think that mitt romney has done a reassessment of the caliber and quality of the potential challengers and said -- because you recall he said, you know i'm not going to run unless i see that there's someone or no one that can do this. i think he's looking at you know, his position on a number of issues whether it was on russia or the economy as being correct and he's got this new mojo. yeah, i think he's going to be there. he's going to be in play the same with jeb bush. i have to tell you, willie the exciting part for me is yet to come. that is the republican governors. when the republican governors begin to throw down on this thing and get in this race that's when i really think the dynamics change because you're talking about two former governors who have been out for 8 and 12 years respectively. you're talking about versus governors who served through the recession, who had to deal with barack obamacare, who had to deal with the changes in our economy and govern through that. so when they engage this this conversation, that's when it's
going to be a real test of wills within the gop, this whole establishment versus tea party. i think that kind of goes away. it's really going to be about who can govern this country and who has. >> mark halperin really unside baseball where politics and media collide. but i found it fascinating, you know you always hear the stories about how tabloids back in the 1800s would pick a party or bash this candidate and bash this. it's fascinating the little sort of back and forth when "the washington post" which has actually become mitt romney's newspaper and "new york times" which officially trashes mitt romney for the benefit of jeb bush. every day there's a anti-jeb story and a pro-mitt story in the "washington post" which is then followed by a pro-jeb story and an anti-mitt story in the "new york times." it has played that way out for the past couple of weeks. it's fascinating. >> of course the "wall street journal" editorial page breaks the tie and votes against
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"the washington post" was the first to report that the departures follow a series of security lapses in november a security contractor with an arrest record rode an elevator with the president in tlant while carrying a gun, and in the same month an iraq war veteran with a knife was able to climb the fence at the white house, making it into the building before being subdued by an off-duty agent because a number of security precautions failed. so let's bring in "washington post" reporter kara who has been leading the coverage and breaking all the stories every step of the way. >> your reporting has been absolutely extraordinary. tell us what's happened here. >> and is there more. >> thanks joe. thanks mika. there is probably going to be more but at least yesterday we were learning early in the morning that four assistant directors, which is kind of like the core group of people that run the secret service and have for decades, these four people were told they were going to be
out of their jobs that fresh ideas and a fresh perspective was needed. they got this news from the acting director joe clancy who you all know is very very well trusted, detail leader of president obama and almost as importantly is particularly well liked and trusted by the first lady. these four people are out, as well as two additional assistant directors who announced last month in the wake of a sort of scathing report about the secret service's leadership, they announced they were retiring. that means six out of eight people are gone. the only people that are still in leadership positions, the most senior ones are the deputy director who remains and the acting director. go ahead. >> cleaning house. >> carol, they really are cleaning house. i wanted to ask you though the one person incident among all those we listed where the guy leaped the fence, made his way into the front door of the white house and ran around for a while
until he was taken down by an off-duty agent. obviously shocked all of us. it shocked the american public. how big a shock to the system of the secret service was that? >> well, it was absolutely humiliating. even the fairly defensive secret service leadership had to admit that this was the lowest they had ever fallen. i interviewed some former senior officials who said they literally couldn't turn on the television they were so demoralized about the place that they love and they didn't want to read or see any more news about this because it was so devastating. i mean as congressman cummings said and congressman betty thompson said, you know, this is basic police work that no sort of local albuquerque police department would have been expected to fail at doing. >> i recall a leonnig, "washington post," appreciate it. come back. still ahead on "morning joe," behind the veil of radical islam, foreign correspondent joins us with his interview of a militant religious leader accused of radicalizing young jihadists. plus, the lessons to be learned from the events in paris. "time" magazine has them and we reveal the new issue. also this morning, the oscar nominations, they're being announced at 8:30 eastern time. we're going to bring them to you live with full analysis with the woman who oversees the hollywood reporter, janice mann. you're watching "morning joe." discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual. wow! you're really looking out for us. we are. and if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. just to be clear you are saying "frog protection" right? yeah, fraud protection.
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how is that uber thing? seems dangerous sometimes. >> it is sent from heaven. >> really? >> yuber is great. >> tell me about it. >> you put an app op your phone. >> right. >> you are sitting a the restaurant. check comes. you want to leave in five minutes. call up the app. you pop it. there's a car three minutes or four minutes or two minutes away. click on that car. sends you the driver's picture, the driver's name and phone number. he calls you, i will be out front in five minutes. >> what about quality. >> it's more expensive than the taxi is the downside and i know they've had specific isolated incidents. >> has anybody tried to sexually assault you? >> stop. >> no but that -- >> that would be my concern, especially if i were -- especially if i were a woman. >> here's why joe is jealous. >> here's the deal. there's a quality control issue. and i'm just wondering. i will tell you i would not want, let's say, my daughter if she were 17 18. >> and they have her cellphone
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joining us for the opinion pages chairman of take back our republic, the organization and former adviser, president of george w. bush mark mcken non, nice to see you. he still doesn't have a hat on. >> i want to talk to politics for a minute. jeb bush you've been saying that you thought that jeb was going to jump in. jeb looks like he's going to jump in.
mitt though kind of surprising. >> that's the big surprise. you know, jeb has thrown down the gauntlet and is all in as has been running a pretty formidable campaign early on and surprised a lot of people. now the latest surprise is that mitt romney despite saying the opposite for months has now showing signs he may want to run. >> a lot of people in the republican establishment are sort of knocking mitt over the past 24 hours, but you are just saying some things off air that i agree with. mitt has some actually stronger traits in 2015 than he had in -- >> he's running a modern campaign. he's got sharpened candidate skills that deal with the 21st century media and day-to-day campaigns. he's gotten better over the years. you watch him from the early debates, became a great debater. >> he was the first republican i think, that won a debate with a knockout since ronald reagan in 1980. first republican that you walk away from the debate going, wow.
>> he's got the fire and the belly. >> you want this guy to be president. >> mark, you recently wrote about the tipping of -- tipping point of big spending in politics. so let's talk about that. what do you mean because i thought we -- don't we -- haven't we hit it many times at this point? >> yes, but in many ways worse because of recent laws in the oversight of political spending. ken vogel did great reporting recently looking at what's happening. we still don't know anything because there's so much dark money spent that's not disclosed so we don't know. here's an amazing fact. of the approximately $5 million that was spent in the last cycle on campaigns, 100 people spent more than the rest of the almost 5 million people. think about that. >> wow. >> 100 people. so when you think about where do candidates spend their time if 100 people are spending as much as the other 5 million? it's no wonder. i was so depressed when i saw mitt romney and others in the
republican party going to casino olders aidleson rather than being out with factory workers. they control more money. it's not just a republican thing. tom steyer of the 100, 52 were democrats. tom steyer spent $76 million. we're starting a conservative organization called take back our republic which is focused on conservative solutions. the first person to really preach on this issue was barry goldwater. the roots of our movement. >> let's go to mark halperin. he is fresh off of a walk on the beaches of san diego in his wing tips. mark? >> mark, let me take the counter argument and just ask you. so what? these are rich people who care about america and want to participate in the democracy. why does it matter if rich people who really in some cases don't need anything from government, what does it matter if they're contribute some of their money to increase
political dialogue? >> i don't fault them at all, mark. i think if you have money and you have issues you feel strongly about, you should make your voice known. what we believe we think we need to do is create a system where through small donor donations, through tax credit tax voucher, democracy vouchers that small dollar donors have as much say in the process so the candidates spend their time talking to small dollar donors as much as the sheldon aiddlesons of the world. >> didn't president obama do that? >> he did but it's changed a lot since then. what you see happening is rollbacks to the dodd frank banking bill get to the top of the line in the last cycle $100 million was spent from the banking industry on 700 lobbyists. so our point of view is simply i let's figure out small dollar donation schemes and there are plenty of them and many of them are republican market solutions, so that these candidates spend
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you interviewed in lebanon. >> thanks, mika. the emergence of isis has taken syria and iraq by storm and the west by surprise. how isis became so powerful so quickly is a question many are struggling with. but what makes isis such a potent threat is easier to answer and has been a long time in the making. in october 2013 i traveled to tripoli, lebanon's second largest city four-hour drive north of the capital beirut. for decades this lawless city has been a hotbed for sectarian violence. with gunfire being a daily occurrence. one of tripoli's notorious residents is omar bakri, a well-known radical cleric who fled from the uk in 2005. he is despised by many in the west and infamous for describing the 9/11 bombers as the magnificent 19 and the london's 77 bombers as the fantastic four. >> osama bin laden, may god accept him as a martyr. he declared al qaeda, then al
qaeda decided like all the other islamic groups al qaeda's an islamic groups. but the islamic groups decided to have the state of islam and the truth but they -- >> in iraq? >> in iraq. >> reporter: a number of jihadists entering syria from the region and beyond is increasing at an alarming rate. >> reporter: the complete void of security in syria is troubling on many fronts. recent reports from fighting in the syrian border town of kobani suggests that isis militant may
have access to chemical weapons. >> reporter: according to bakri isis has recruited some 700 suicide bombers from all over the world, which are then added to a so-called list thattis lamb mick state leadership pulls from. they could come from europe? >> these people came from belgium, italy, france some were from us a staleaustraliaia. came even from afghanistan. >> omar bakri was or reed last may and faces charges of including encouraging terror acts preparing to create islamic and inciting hatred against the lebanese army. if convicted, could face the death penalty. >> what about the u.s. bombing runs? what impact is it having?
why is it not slowing isis downey more than it is? >> that's kind of the big question. it's kind of like putting a band-aid on a huge gaping wound without addressing what the root cause to the problem and that is sad. when i went there over a year ago the main protagonists if you like were the opposition, the free islamic army and the front and syrian regime and hezbollah, loggerheads. isis wasn't really prominent. only became prominent last year. speaking to omar bakri, speaking to him, they had been planning this for a long time. these officers that have been disbursed all over europe to recruit suicide bomber or self-sacrificing matters as they call them, they've been in position for a couple of years. so they had been brewing this and this is something that obama admitted, the head of
intelligence completely underestimated. >> you and i were just discussing this piece on the front page of the "wall street journal." militants in syria advance despite air strikes. three months of u.s. strikes inside syria and yet isis has gained ground. doing better in iraq although the leader of the iraqi parliament told us yesterday general john allen needs to do more. why syria, why is it so difficult, why do bombs in the air not have any impact on ice snis. >> two big points. one is in the iraq the united states has clear large number of folks on the ground to work with both among the kurds who are well trained and the iraqi government. in syria that's not remotely the case. as a consequence you're also not getting the level of international support. the u.s. is doing less bombing in syria than iraq. it's not enormous amount of air strikes but virtually nothing else happening from america's coalition alallies. in iraq it's significant. you've got it from the ground and on the air. and counter intelligence the u.s. has a lot of information in
iraq on the ground we do have those boots. in syria, one thing i expect is going to start happening is the europeans are going to start coordinating or trying to coordinate at least a little bit with syria's assad to start getting some intel on the ground. assad will want to use that to do sanctions. that won't work but none the less right now it's frozen out from the united states and europe. as much as we hate assad, given what's happening on the ground there, it's not clear how long that is sustainable. >> muk i can, howikey, how did you get the interview? how dangerous was it? >> it's not as dangerous as it is now. i went for provocative, this new news digital agency a little bit like vice but for millennials. i went and spent 30 days in lebanon. i went up to the north to meet omar bakri. i went to the mountainous region just over the border. it's the big refugee hub which is breaking at the seams with
refugees. i met with free syrian army, the moderates, are actually working with nasra the affiliate with the al qaeda leader to fight against assad. to your point, the problem is we don't seem addressing is assad. there's a summit in russia coming up but the syrian opposition have said they're not interested in participating because of assad again. >> right. >> so we can keep talking about military air strikes, we can keep talking about the peshmerga. >> you think assad is just the -- >> he's the -- he is the common problem. it doesn't matter whether it was a year ago or whether it's now when you've got the syrian ypg and person murg ga peshmerga and isis fighting. until that is addressed -- >> the mosque is broken down as a consequence. >> mikey kay, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up a live report on that foiled bomb -- foiled plot to bomb the u.s. capitol.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour. ian bremer and michael steele still with us. join the fabletable, history professor at rice university, douglas brinkley. he's the co-editor of the book "the nixon tapes." >> how are you doing? >> wonderful. thanks for having me. >> what are you work og snn. >> i'm doing a booing called "rightful heritage on franklin d. roosevelt" and the dust bowl that occurred and which the federal government did to arrest mainly planting of 2 billion trees with the conservation core in america and on the birth of the modern law -- >> he's just not doing anything. >> i'm working hard on fdr.
you can't beat fdr. >> idle hands are -- what? >> exactly. >> i saw -- i have been sick for the last two weeks. >> oh, my god. >> i actually -- and i never fun of a tv. it's one of the great ironies except when i'm on. i saw ken burns documentary on "the rest voltoosevelts" again. it is second time. it is remarkable what those two men did. >> nothing like them. i mean when you look at fra franklin -- talk about executive orders with barack obama, the numbers are so small. fdr did over 3,000 executive orders. i mean one after another. it was a different america. i mean, i've been writing about a woman who suddenly wants to save a million acres of the california desert and february ag gets a meeting with fdr. okay, i'll do it. warning the train companies own some of that and mining claims. oh goes, oh, lawyers can fix
that. that's grandiosity of fdr and americanism. they represent the country. >> let's bring it to today where america's views on the economy are improving. and it appears president obama is getting a little bit of the credit here. according to a new pew poll 27% of americans say the economy is excellent or good. that's up 11 points from a year ago. and twice as many as last year are optimistic about its outlook. for the first time in five years americans say the president's policies have made the economy stronger rather than weaker. but a stark reality remains for many americans. more than half say they're falling behind in the cost of living. and as the president's state of the union approaches pew mapped the approval ratings compared the other presidents. he's nearly on par with reagan at this point and below clinton but above george w. bush. interesting. >> we've been following obviously daily the president's approval ratings over the past six, seven years.
and certainly america's attitudes. things do seem to be -- we have noticed an upswing, haven't we over the past three or four months. >> yeah. we commented, i think it was that his floor was at 40%, which was pretty good considering how bad things felt like they were going for a while. now when you see economic progress it comes up. doug, it does raise the question, we feel better the unemployment number is better. but it's also been a lot of people dropped out of the workforce. wages have stagnated. presidents probably always get more credit than they deserve, more blame than they deserve for things that happen beyond their control. what about president obama? if we get, let's say, two years from now and he's out of the presidency, if things stay the way they are right now how will he begin to be viewed based on this economy? >> i think if they stay the way they are right now he will be seen as a very good president, not a great one. and i say that because the great recession had crashed the country out. if he could say unemployment stays at 5.5% and wall street is at an all-time high. even though the middle class is
still sure ingffering, even though historians will say he didn't do this right or that right, incredible argument he got it out of the ditch and got us up and running again. the problem with that is who knows what it's going to look like two years from now. conversely if this economy does badly obama's presidency will not get high marks. it's very hinged on the economic record, on the day he leaves office, those numbers will freeze and that's when he's going to live with. >> i understand that economics is what's driving perceptions of president obama on a day-to-day basis right now. if you think out in 5, 10 20 years time nnd obama's legacy do you think it's just as much a question of how the economy looks when he leaves or is there going to be much more of america's role in the world where i think a lot of people are asking more questions about almost annes exostential issue?
>> in most inaugurals he added a huge paragraph about the climate. you're looking at the keystone debate going on right now. he's very worried about climate being an issue 50 years from now. if he can't solve it he wants to be seen as we indicating the public for a new kind of energy grid. a group of historians meet with the president once in a while and one of his frustrations early on is if we needed a moon shot today he thought it would be a new energy grid. we don't have that new energy grid right now. and on foreign affairs, it's going to be a mixed record. the red line in the sand in syria was disastrous. the drone strikes where are not sure. he's going to be seen as drone president. but the middle east is always a. tinder box. there's always going to be dislocation and problems going on. it's going to be hard, i think, to blame him for everything going on in the middle east like some of the republicans want to do today. i don't know who can handle the situation going on in syria, for example. >> but he does have though he
is going to have foreign policy issues. we look back at presidents. you talk about how their legacies are locked in. you look at presidents who have left you know ronald reagan will be remembered for a couple of things but foreign policy in equal doses with domestic policy. jimmy carter of course was framed by foreign policy. challenged with the rise of iran. but barack obama, i think the verdict is still out. is he going to be seen as an economic president or is he going to be seen as somebody that misraidead putin and russia misread a misread. >> soldiers in iraq and afghanistan. >> all of that. especially with iraq though. especially with iraq.
and when you have -- and i'm certainly not striking a case against him. i'm saying this is going to be a fascinating debate. when you have in 2012 two or three things that his republican opponents specifically said he got wrong and then a year or two later on russia on isis in getting out of iraq he's proven to be wrong. >> it just takes something looic putin, it's unclear or the sanctions working? maybe they are. nobody seems to want to invest in russia right now. what may have seen to be weakness at the start in history might be seen as a bit of strength that the russian economy collapsed. the deal the president got with cuba was basically cuba saying, we don't want to deal with russia anymore. they're not going to be able to fund us anymore. nobody wants to put money into that country right now so the president may have had a measured response to putin. >> we may. we shall see. now to france where police may be on the verge of a big break in their investigation into the paris terror attacks.
police confirm that amedi coubali rented a small home and filled it with weapons the week before his siege at a kosher supermarket. french newspaper reports a scooter was found that could identify a possible accomplice. there's also new security camera footage from inside the grocery store. the gunman can be seen ordering a hostage to put his hands against a wall. and in another image, a worker is forced to stand on a stool to disable a camera. meanwhile, since last week's attack france has arrested more than 50 people after prosecutors ordered a crack down on hate speech antisemitism and individual supporting terrorism. here with us now from washington israeli ambassador to the united states ambassador ron dermer. >> mr. ambassador thank you for being with us. the president of france is taking some steps, pushing back against antisemitism that is really really infected that country for some time. is he doing enough?
>> well, he's trying but you're right, there's been a rising tide of antisemitism in france for some time. three years ago 1900 jews in france moved to israel. two years ago, 3500 jews moved. last year 7,000 jews. this year we're expecting 15,000 jews, french jews to move to israel. >> mr. ambassador, it's obviously we noticed what happened this past week across the globe, took great notice of the attacks against the cartoonists. not as much against the four jews who were slaughtered in a kosher supermarket. but there have been violent attacks against jews and murders against jews in france before that really hasn't gained the attention, has it? >> that's correct. two years ago you had an attack on a school in france where terrorists on a motorcycle came in and killed an adult and three children. he took an 8-year-old by the hair and shot her at point blank range. you didn't see a mass rally
against that. there were a lot of statements made at the time of everything that would be done to protect the jews of france. but unfortunately it didn't happen. we appreciate the comments made by the president of france prime minister of france. there have been european leaders taking a strong stand against antisechl tim like chancellor america until germ in. but europe is a place with a lot of old traditions and antisemitism is probably the oldest one. >> we were talking about that earlier. it's, again, there always seems to be an excuse in europe to be antisemitic. right now it's the palestinian conflict, which you can go back 500, 600 years, 700 years and there is always an excuse. >> immigration in europe in general has always been much more about cultural issues it has been political ideology. in france you can be a communist but you can still be french. in united states you that would be anti-american. it's a lot harder in a lot of
the countries in europe and i think that's a problem for the jews. ambassador, i wanted to ask you on this. there's been a lot of interesting stories around netanyahu's attendance in france, the fact that president hollande actually sort of was basically said you know it would be -- it's not a convenient time for you to come right now and then netanyahu himself actually talking about that jews are welcome in israel if not in france. it feels a little raw. i mean do you feel like the tension just got too high around this and it's time to back off of it or would these appropriate mess samgs from both the french and israelis at this point? >> look i think the prime minister of israel did exactly what a prime minister of israel has to do. first, we have to stand with france when they're fighting against terrorism. those reports about hollande not wanting him there, that's not true. sort of internalish recally store israeli story. we asked the world to stand with
israel in our battle against terrorism. we think we're fighting that same battle in our -- in israel at home against militant islam that france is fighting in europe. so it's important for the prime minister of israel to stand with france in its hour of need. another thing the prime minister of israel always believes in and always says all prime minister of israel since the founding of the state, is that every jew in the world should know they always have a home in israel. jews should be protected wherever they are, whether it's in france or whether it's in the united states, but jews around the world should know that they can always come to israel. in israel the jewish people do not ask others to defend them. this israel the jewish people defend themselves. >> stay with us. nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely joins us live from paris. bill i understand secretary john kerry arrives there tob ss there tonight. what's on his agenda? >> yes, he arrives tonight and will meet the french foreign
minister. of course john kerry speaks french but there's no word on whether he will utter the sorry, for the fact that no high rachking from the u.s. came to paris. the world leaders admitted that was a mistake. tomorrow he meets the french president francois hollande. mr. hollande's poll ratings skyrocketed. last month he was the most unpop unpopular president in recent history. he left eight points to 29% in the polls. he's still not that popular. but generally people feel he's done a pretty good job in handling this crisis. but there's an atmosphere here someone described its a utterly surreal. people still cueing to buy a magazine that hardly anyone bought in the past. "charlie hebdo" used to tell 50,000 copy on a good week now 5 million copies printed.
there's a debate about free speech and yet french authorities have not only arrested but charged a french comedian, a very well-known one for putting on his facebook page that he feels like that is defending and advocating terrorism. many people disagreeing with that arrest. you know everywhere you go in paris there is this music, as my producer described it the sound of sirens that are keeping people on edge here. on the investigation, not many leads today. people still dealing with the aftermath of this. and four funerals today for those who were killed in these attacks. >> bill what have you personally heard? what can you report back to us on the reaction to the french to the united states, first of all not being there, and then
apologizing? has it -- is it considered a slight that they're going to remember or do -- is it much ado about nothing? >> well, you know amid the national trauma here it was remarked that neither president obama nor vice president biden have come. but really they have too much else on their minds. i don't think, you know, it will be a great part of the conversation here. you know i think maybe it's in foreign policy circles and in washington, it's more of a conversation. i've heard again that, you know is this the u.s. leading from behind again? you know the u.s. ambassador was in that crowd but so far into the crowd that you could hardly see her. so in a way, i think it's probably more of an issue in washington than it is here in paris. >> all right. bill thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. and, mr. ambassador any final thoughts?
>> look, i think it's important to understand, joe, that what you saw happen in the few decades after the holocaust was the exception and not the rule. the rule in european history has been antisemitism and there was a brief period in the wake of the holocaust where it was politically incorrect to be antisemitic. that has changed over the last couple of decades. and in old hatred towards the jewish people has turned into a hatred for the jewish state. i hope the leaders will stand firmly in beating back the antisemitism and treat israel as they would treat any other country in the world. i think we would all be in a better place then. >> thank you. >> talked about the roosevelt documentary, it is striking how there was an understanding in 1945 that there had to be a jewish state created to make sure a holocaust never happened again and talking with the roosevelts, you know one of the fiercist champions of an israeli state was the jewish state was
eleanor roosevelt. this was not an ideologicalish shaw in 1945. this was a necessity so jews being persecuted killed slaughtered in europe and across the world, would have a place to go to be safe. that has been forgotten. there are new concerns this morning about homegrown terrorism after authorities say they thwarted a terror plo t. an ohio man is facing charges for allegedly planning a military style attack on the u.s. capitol. joining us now from washington with that nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, how close was this suspect to carrying out the plot? >> well, investigators say this young man was 20 years old. he wanted to carry out his attack as a way of supporting the isis group. and they say he talked about his plans to somebody he thought was like-minded but who turned out to be working for the fbi. the plan federal prosecutors say was to set off pipe bombs at the u.s. capitol, then shoot people as they fled.
fbi investigators say christopher lee cornell, age 20 from suburban cincinnati first came to their attention last august when he began posting message on twitter calling himself raheel and expressing support for the isis terror group. he soon met someone in the cincinnati area he thought was sympathetic but who was actually an undercover operative for the fbi. on wednesday officials say cornell took a further step in his plot going to the shooting range and buying two assault type rifles like this along with 600 rounds of ammunition as the fbi and the manager watched closely. >> as soon as as the purchase was over and he left the door several agents came out and tackled him here in the parking lot and took him down. >> reporter: according to court documents cornell said he drew inspiration from former al qaeda figure al awlaki and videos from isis and the brothers over there, isis quote, gave a thumbs up for acts of violent jihad. >> new battleground in the terrorist war against us and
that's the social media being used to communicate with people who are willing to carry out desperate acts to kill americans. >> reporter: family members say they believe the fbi pushed him to do something he would not have done on his own. >> i think a lot of it was coercion. i think he got coerced. no way he had the money to carry out any kind of terrorist attack. >> there's been no comment from his public defender. federal officials say there was never any danger to the public because he was under close watch for months and to directly answer your question mika they said he had not even gotten to the point of buying components or building his bombs. >> okay. nbc's pete williams. thank you very much. thank you as well. >> thank you, douglas. >> thanks. >> we learned something about you. >> yes. thank you forfeiting us into your busy schedule. >> america should know doug brinkley in the 1970s followed z.z. top around. >> a huge zz top fan. >> and the marshall tucker band and charlie daniels. >> and you had the long hair.
>> and the beard. >> outlaw country. >> went around playing guitar? >> yes. coming up on "morning joe," a man to believe to be in a vegetative state for years was forced to watch hour after hour of "barney." do you know "barney"? >> oh, my gosh. >> one of his reflections after waking up, quote, i can't even express to you how much i hate "barney "barney." i don't think he was in that vegetative a state. >> that story and more, and the morning paper.
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morning papers from the huffington post, there is a heartbreaking illustration of loss in pakistan where gunmen late last year killed nearly 150 people, most of them children during an attack on a school in peshawar. a student posted this before and after picture to social media. showing how his group of friends had been cut in half. two students missing from the top photo, among those killed in the taliban assault. afghan officials say they recently captured five suspects after getting intelligence from the pakistan government. >> heartbreaker. "the washington post," president obama will announce a proposeal for seven days of paid sick leave each year for u.s.
workers. in an executive action the president will also grant six weeks of paid leave to federal employees following a birth or adoption adoption. valley jarrett writes on linked linkedin, quote, president obama will call on congress to pass the healthy families act which would allow millions of working americans to earn up to seven days a year of paid sick time and call on states and cities to pass similar laws. we know that today 43 million private sector workers in the u.s. are without any form of paid sick leave. only three states california new jersey and rhode island suffer paid family and medical leave. the truth is success and productivity of our workers are tied to their ability to care for their families and maintain a stable life at home. >> that's a long statement. we think valerie for being able to say all of that without taking a breath. >> i was talking about it yesterday. >> hold on. >> so. seven days paid sick leave? >> seven days. >> if we got that here you and i would be able to take off nine
days, eight, nine days a year? >> yes. >> exactly right. >> it's really beneficial to women who work because often when people are sick it's the women who take care of their parents or their kids or their husbands when they're sick. and men benefit, too, and families as well. this is one of the ideas that came out of the working fallies summit that we did last spring. and i think it's one of the ways we're going to really move forward as more and more women are stepping up and working. >> got to keep working on maternity leave, too. >> come on. >> the number of days and weeks. the few we have here compared to the rest of the world is insane. >> unpaid. uk south african man spent a decade trapped inside his own body without anyone knowing. >> okay. >> martin pistorius contracted a rare illness at the age of 12 that left him in a vegetative state. he was in a virtual coma with no mental capacity at all but pistorius was actually aware of everything. in his book he spent a period
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welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now from washington, britain's shadow chancellor of the x checker and president and ceo of the center for american progress. both of you, good to have you back. ed is the cochair of the commission on inclusive
prosperity which is out with a new report on ways to revive the middle class and reduce income inequality. doran, ian, michael steele all with us as well. ed, let's start there. you're holding it up. tell us about it. >> good to see you, mika. happy new year to everybody. good to be back on the show. it's i think a very important report which will have an impact here in the states but also in britain and australia and in europe because what it says is that even in countries like america and britain where after the financial crisis we're starting to see our economies growing again. that's not translating into rising living standards for most people in our country. >> so -- this is joe. what is the fix? this really is one of the great challenges of america, one of the great challenges of britain and the west. what are some soft thingof the things we can do to lessen the income disparity between the richest and poorest?
>> we say here a number of things which we can do which is common across our countries. how retranslate that in policy is different in different countries. make sure we have more good jobs, make work pay by raising the minimum wages and have tax credit which makes work pay, mike child care more affordable. more skills but the kind of skills that employers want to hire and we want to more apprenticeship for our young people, more signs of innovation to get ideas, long-term investment in our infrastructure making the private sector and companies work in a more long-term way. and also internationally we've got to corporate to make sure the global tax system is fair global economy growing. stop financial crisis in the future but also to make sure that we keep the international economy open and that we don't turn our face against globalization and trade but we make it work in a way which doesn't only reward some people but makes it work for working people. unless we do that joe, i think you're right, what we're going to see is a growth in reaction
against trades, against mainstream politics. we see in europe populous parties rising. that's dangerous. this is a big agenda for all of our countries. >> dorian? >> good morning. this is dorian warren here. >> hi, dorian. >> i'm wondering what you think and can you talk about the efforts to raise wages? given unemployment is now it keeps dropping which is a great thing for our economy. what specifically in the report do you think would help increase wages for american workers? >> so we look particularly at the u.s. as well. and you see just in the last jobs report you see that we have lower unemployment but still this drag on wages. wages actually went down the month before which really proves the point that ways in the united states are not keeping up with higher costs. so we have a multi-prime strategy in the report laid out for the u.s. obviously we need to increase minimum wage but we need to do more than that.
we need to actually look at ways that companies can share profits with workers, encouraging through tax policies, profit sharing because that's the challenge. companies are profitable but workers' wages are still stagnant. that's the conundrum we have in the u.s. we have to make sure that they are thinking long term and encourage them to do so. more business investment which is also investment in their workers. so it's -- one final thing is we are really well behind everyone else in the developed world, benefits we offer for workers, including paid leave and other things. the president was talking about last night. but also in ensuring that we have a fair tax system. so those are all issues. you know it not one silver bullet to address wages but what's a really important part of the report is that it can be done. it can be done. there are things we can do. >> michael steele is with us from washington. he has question. michael? >> does the report go into the
fact that you've got -- when you're talking about increasing wages for workers, which is important, and striking this balance with businesses globally, have you considered the trillions of dollars that are sitting on the shelves that are offshore, for example? what steps can be taken to encourage those businesses to re those funds so those dollars that are sitting on the shelf, in the banks that are not being put to good use can be put to good use? >> so just -- ed can jump in as well. but one quick point on that. one of the reasons why we talk about how we need to harmonize our tax systems is that one of the challenges is companies kind of leap frog country to country looking for the best tax deal for them. that doesn't serve any of us. that's a race to the bottom. so we actually have a better global system on taxes, where we're not raising taxes across the board but we're really just having a better system for our
companies. >> i think the report says no one country can do this on its own. you've got to get america and britain and other developed countries saying we're going to make the global tax system work so that if profits are being made in couldn't country, that's where the tax rest paid. and you don't have companies you can avoid paying tax anywhere because part of the resentiment from people is saying i'm working, i'm paying my taxes. my wages are not going up. and other companies, some individuals are getting away from paying any tax. there's a proud question as well. we've got to make sure that our companies are using those resources they've got to invest for the long term. and in our country, look we've got growth coming back and our prime minister says we've got growth but our business investment is being very weak. wages are stagnating for people. and other thing is look unless we can say to you and to america, britain will stay in the european union we're going to stay part of the global economy, that i'm afraid there will be very many businesses who
say, may maybe britain is not the place to invest and create jobs. >> thank you ed. always great to see you. ed, it's been a rough year. mers i can mercy said, it's been tough for liverpool. how is norwich doing? >> we are challenging to get back into the premiership. we got relegated. we're just sat with our manager a week ago. that might be our big turn around moment. this britain, everybody is very sad that steven girard one of your heroes is leaving liverpool but he's coming to los angeles to play for the galaxy. you will be able to see the stars here in u.s. football -- soccer, i should say. >> i suspect it will be much warmer than it was when i went to your hometown. >> oh, my god. >> in norwich in april and froze to death. >> with no coat by the way. >> your pronunciation, joe, has gotten a lot better as well. >> yeah.
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we got the managing editor of "time" magazine with us with the first look at the latest issue. the cover story "after paris, lessons from the attack." what are the lessons? >> well that scene that was very moving in paris and all the leaders together may have been poignant but i don't think it was pro thetic. the force pulling europe are stronger than the ones holding it together. >> we were just talking about the fact that the forces that were nationalist sentiment moving out of the eu the desire to do that and to stop massive
immigration, that was happening well before paris. >> it was. and now you get the vicious cycle where violence breeds fear, fear breeds prejudice, prejudice breeds resentment within the muslim minority that resentment can turn into another cycle of violence. i think the strategy of driving a wedge between a growing muslim population in europe and this also growing populous nationalist anti-immigration policies, you have 60% of non-muslim germans saying they think islam is incompatible with the western lifestyle, western front in france than any other french party. this is -- these forces i think, are the critical context for what we are seeing in this rising violence. >> ian, these forces are always framed in a negative light. but if you were born in france in 1945, let's say, or '48, post-war, or across europe, you you have seen radical changes in your country.
is there any legitimate argument for people saying hey, let's slow down on immigration in our country, let's slow down on turning everything over -- i only say this because i have yet to hear one person on american television or european television mainstream, say these people may have a point. >> there's a reason why 60% of europeans are ticked off with what's going on or whatever the number is in germany or france. >> the immigration debate in the united states has always been framed around jobs. it was the giant sucking sound. if we feel like our economy is going down that's when we have a problem with immigrants. when you go to europe you will talk to mainstream europeans, i've had these conversations across the continue nent. they will say we will accept a lower standard of living if our country can feel more french or dan anybody or swedish. >> because the very nature of america, obviously, is a melting pot, dorian, where immigrants, we're all immigrants. but that's not the case in britain or france or spain, that's not the case with these
countries who, again, feel like they're losing their identity. >> i think ian gets to something important and that's the stronghold of a particular cultural identity national identity. we do have a strong national identity in the u.s. but the role of culture mixed with economics is much more toxic in europe than in the u.s. >> pop lymphulism was taking hold. people were so concerned that upcoming greek elections that you're going to have sures win. in spain the most popular party right now is one that didn't exist a year ago. >> the eu parliamentary elections six months ago overwhelming wins. >> big wins for everybody. not many people vote in those but, none the less the trend line was clear. this goes on top of it. the notion that not only are we going to have the economic problems but now we're going couple that with this anti-immigrant sentiment. it drives germany further apart. >> our guest next tuesday, mike
huckabee, never stop running for president. >> everyone in the pool right now. we've been talking a lot in recent weeks about the fight for the establishment wing of the party with romney and jeb bush. huckabee is fighting for the social conservative wing. you will have rick santorum he has to deal with and bobby jindal. he never stopped running. he's been traveling to iowa and he has a book coming out. and so it's going to be fascinating to see how you have these respective mini civil wars before the big civil war for the republican nomination. >> little known fact. mike huckabee resident of my old district redneck riviera. >> i look forward to having him on. >> you have a young kid who just started up at "time" magazine. up and comer. >> this guy -- >> ian bremer self promoter. >> it's unbelievable. >> look at my story. but he talks about how cheap oil can boost the standing of china's leader. >> the idea of $40 a barrel oil
is incredible and has implications everywhere. what was so interesting to me is ian's point about what this means for china. but every single country and every single geopolitical issue is somehow tied to what is going to happen with oil prices and energy. >> nancy gibbs. >> thank you. >> she's packed. >> great issue. >> new issue of "time" magazine out now. up next it's not bad when your very first professional role is the lead role in a major broadway play. the costars of "the curious incident of the dog and the nighttime." >> i've heard this play is fantastic. >> gives us a backstage pass to the show. we'll be right back. >> great reviews. next. ♪♪ expected wait time: 55 minutes.
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to be a good astronaut you have to be intelligent, and i'm intelligent. you also have to understand how machines work and i'm good at understanding how machines work. >> you also have to be someone who would like being on their own in a tiny spacecraft thousands and thousands of miles from the surface of the earth, and not panic, or get claustrophobia or air sick or insane. >> that was a scene from "the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime," and here with us now. co-stars of the broadway show. >> you know what i really respect is i respect when everything's going wrong, you just keep soldiering on. like this play horrible reviews. calmed it the most in venom show on broadway. the associated press calls it
dazzling. extraordinary, "time" magazine. alex, this has to be rewarding to you. >> this will turn around. >> you have been working so hard for so many decades. you prepare for the life of a struggling young actor and, boom get the lucky break very early. >> yes, i'm very lucky. >> pretty talented. it's pretty great, though? >> truly awesome. i'm having the time of my life. it's like one of those rare opportunities. when you get a part as an actor, it's a dream you get a part you can put everything into and it's one of those parts. i'm just enjoying that. >> francesca, it's a remarkable story about a gifted young, talented boy who's accused of killing a dog, and then he sets out to find out who really did. >> really did. >> and what he discovers is life-changing. tell us about that part of the story? >> the book if anyone knows, came out to great success by
mark canton and about 15 or so years ago, and yes. it's a mystery story, really. at its core. but it unfolds and opens up a great deeper intense mystery for the young boy who's in the middle, and i play his teacher and the narrator of sorts and does a whole sort of -- his support system through the story. and they have a great relationship of trust and -- and she was really made a character much more in the play than in the book. >> so when our buddy jordan roth was here he came and of course speaks in broadway speak. we just call it "the curious incident." he shortened it down. because he's in the know but alex, for you, and this is a great way for kids out there that do have special needs to see somebody as the main character, who's highlighted in a fantastic way. are you hearing from kids that
have come to see you, or from parents that see you -- >> and tell us about your character. >> because of the character you portray son the spectrum. >> yeah, yeah. no. i hear from a lot of people and i think it's -- i mean it's a story that is a celebration of difference. it's just -- it's very positive in nature and it's you know, the hero is an unusual one. >> exactly. >> so i think a lot of people are drawn to it for that reason and i hear from people and families you know in the autistic community and all kinds of families really. it's very -- it means a lot to me. it's also that you can sort of be a part of like giving them a representation that's -- that feels good for them. >> broadway's such a tough landscape. it's tough for actors everywhere. were you all surprised at the unbelievable reviews you've gotten? francesca? >> yeah. >> were you bracing yourself? >> of course you do every time and even if you love something you never know how it's going to be received and even if
briiently receivebriient ly brilliantly received in london, you still don't know. this is fabulous. >> we congratulate you. after two shows yesterday, one tonight, this is a lot to come in here. we appreciate this. >> at least three hours of sleep. >> yeah. go take a nap. now playing at new york city's baranmore theater. visit curiousonbroadway.com for more detail. still ahead, the latest developments in the foiled plot to attack the u.s. capitol. >> plus reaching the summit. the two men who completed what is known as the most difficult free climb in the world. and the oscar nominations will be announced at 8:30 eastern time this morning. we're going to bring them to you live. we're back in just a moment with with much more "morning joe."
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast, and 5:00 a.m. on the west coast which means mark halperin needs to wake up now. >> he's wide awake. look at him. he's as tan, really as nixon when -- you know he was in san clemente. >> so -- >> nice to see him on the beach today, like to in his wing tips walking up and down the beach saying hi to the kids. >> and nothing else. also with us ian premmer, dorian warren and michael steele. >> what's the matter with ohio? i'm going to write a book called "what's the matter with ohio?" >> what do you mean?
>> so they win the -- whom the gods wom destroy they first make mad. the second thing they do they give them a national championship. willie win a national championship, burn down the campus, and you're thinking -- okay that's not bad. i mean it happens. right? we, of course, don't do that in alabama. kind of get bored by winning national championships. >> i'm big ten here. >> but then, willie -- >> i can't wait to see where this is going, how this ends. >> but then they get a bartender who wants to poison speaker of the house. the orange the -- >> oh, that is -- >> america's first orange speaker, and they hate him, just because of the speaker of his skin, but they're going to kill him for that. right? >> what? >> then another ohio dude decides he's going to blow up the capitol. >> okay. hold on. i think they're one in the same. whatever. >> is it the same dude? >> no it's not. >> no it's not. it's a different dude. i'm telling you, these buckeyes -- this is a serious
point. >> i know. >> you can draw a straight line to urban meyer going to ohio state and all of these -- like, terror plots. >> did you take your medicine? >> am i the only one surprised at everything -- >> i'm not seeing the connection. >> hold on a second. dan, alice, am i defaming an entire state or is this not happening? >> oh, it's happening. >> it's a coincidence, they say. okay. it's a coincidence. >> can we talk about flyover states? can we do that? >> only if i go there, and then it's the center of the world. and then i come back to the coast, and we just talk about the coast. barack obama, man. >> yes yes, yes. >> those poll numbers. >> i know. >> oop! they're going high. getting up there. >> not surprised, but that's good. >> you know what they say? >> what? >> whom the gods will destroy, they give a majority in congress. it's always a surprise how presidents do so much better when the opposing party controls congress. >> yeah. the dynamic shifts.
>> always happens, and americans start looking at that president, who they didn't really like when he had a monopoly and they go wait a second. we need him there to balance out the republicans, or vice versa. it always happens that way. >> we'll get to that as well as other political news in just a moment, but first on a serious note, there are -- >> oh that was very serious. >> oh, yes, it was. there are new concerns about homegrown terrorism after authorities say they thwart add terror plot against one of the country's most iconic buildings. an ohio man. >> ding, ding ding, ding. >> there you go. facing charged for plotting a military-style attack on the capitol. inspired by islamic state militants in anwar al awlaki. this is the nan custody. court documents state he wanted to plant pipe bombs around the capitol and then shoot officials who tried running away.
investigators say he came to their attention last august when he used an alias to post pro-isis documents on twitter, court documents say he discussed his plans with a man he thought was sympathetic, actually working undercover for the phish fib. fbi. he was arrested after he bought more than 600 rounds of ammunition at gun range, but the fbi says the public was never in danger. cornell's father says his son did recently convert to islam but can't believe what he's being accused of. >> people that really know chris chris they know he's a good guy. i don't -- like i said you know, i was completely blindsided by this. this -- this came as a complete surprise. you know? chris is -- i mean he never leaves the house. he's a mommy's boy. he never showed any signs of any kind of violence or anything. i mean -- quiet, shy.
good kid. >> if you're bad, so bad for a dad, but willie if he hasn't left the house in 20-something years, that's a warning sign. >> he's not that good a kid. i understand dad's not feeling good about what happened. hardly a model terrorist, reinforcing what the father said. as the guy said, you can't leave the guy untouched, talking about, informants blowing up the capitol and looks like great work undercover. the guy from the fbi. used intelligence and took him down at a gun shop yesterday. and to france. a big break into the investigation of the paris terror attacks. police confirm a home was filled with weapons a beak before the siege. a scooter found that could identify an accomplice and new security footage from a camera inside the grocery store.
the gunman can be seen ordering a hostage to put his hands against the wall and in another image, a worker forced to stand on a stool to disable a camera. since last week's attack france arrested more than 50 people after prosecutors ordered a krk crackdown on hate speech and comes as the first issue since "charlie hebdo" sold out across france. the company so sought-after the company is going for, some for $1,000 on ebay. french president francois hollande says the magazine has been reborn and, "you can murder men and women, but you can never kill their ideas." >> ian, obviously, france is having to focus mainly on anti-semitism right now. that seems to be where they're focused. this is such a big problem in france and across europe. isn't it? >> it's going to become much larger. the fact is that the economic
environment continues to be incredibly poor in these countries for large swaths of the population. there's a very great division great divisions within these societies. treatment of -- you look at surveys. one came out recently from britain in the last couple of days. some 45% of respondents promoted anti-semitism in some direct way, over 50% of jews that responded felt like they did not feel like they had a clear future in britain. >> and, ian, you're the european expert. it is absolutely fascinating to me and horrifying to me how anti-semitism has played such a large role in the history of europe over the past 1,000 years, and there's always a reason. and always an excuse given to hate jews in europe and, of course now it's a palestinian conflict, but you could go back you know -- you could go back to the days of martin luther. i mean the people that we revere martin luther was a raging anti-semite. you could look at even the mag
in a cartmagna carta. you don't have to treat jews equally. this strain of anti-semitism, of course reached its climax when 6 million jews were murdered in europe while a lot of european countries just stood there and watched. and i just wonder how this continent has -- has, after hitler and after the holocaust, how 50 60 years later, they have collective amnesia. >> that's interesting and one of the reasons, of course you see backlash in many european countries against the notions of the kind of expansive free speech that we support in the united states. it's not because they don't care about individual liberties, but because precisely, they're concerned about reopening these boxes that can lead to hate speech and hate crimes against any minorities. this has been the year where
pacetti has been really the man for europe much less so the united states. not so much as he has in europe and in france. the fact the european economy is not rebounding that you don't see the productivity, energy prices are higher. people aren't benefiting, and if you're in these countries, you feel that europe hasn't worked for you, you're going back to your lowest common denominator, about these individual nations. that's the problem. >> can you explain, everybody watching quickly. it's very telling. talking about a couple years when the french and the germans, and lecturing barack obama and his administration on economics. could you explain the difference between america's economy, and don't worry, praubarticular uben not giving barack obama the credit, i'm giving americans the credit. rebound and be strong. can you explain the american economy and the state it is and the state of europe's economy? i mean as far as attitudes goes
and vitality and -- >> ate of factors here. the united states first of all, is fortunate, because we are the largest producers of energy as a consequence the revolution, we are the world's largest producer of calories in terms of food. >> right. >> the demographics are great. >> yeah yeah yeah. just tell us why we're winning. >> those are reasons why we're winning. >> you're supposed to say manifest destiny and, we're just great. >> took lots of great territory. that's certainly true. but, you also have -- enormous support for entrepreneurship in the united states, much easier to start your own company, and there's no question that the general attitudes of americans, you've consistently had pew research and the rest 90% of americans polled believe they will end up in the top 10%, or their kids will, over the course of the next 20, 30 years, even though that's truly not true. that's not true in europe. >> that is the essence, mika of the american dream and that is the essence of this country's
economic greatness that i can grow up in a small house and believe that i can either live in a small house when i get older or work really hard and live in the biggest house on the hill and blah blah blah. whatever. you have that feeling. but you talked to people from france and you talk to business owners in france and they constantly talk about their frustration, that if they work hard and work around the clock, and are entrepreneurs, they're actually looked upon with suspicion. and even though upward mobility has really collapsed in this country. >> glad you said that, because i was -- >> there is still the belief here, and i believe we're going to fix that that there's never been dorian in great britain, that there's never been in france, this class structure that muslims feel trapped by. a lot of middle class and lower middle class frenchmen and brits
have felt that for centuries. >> for centuries. america was at one point especially the mid to late 20th century the democracy of equal opportunity. as we just mentioned a lot of those ladders of opportunity have closed in the last 20 30 years, but i was reading an article this morning about french immigrants and outer rings of paris, where unemployment rates are at 20% and for many french or immigrant youth, are at 40%. >> yeah. >> so there's a sense there is no economic opportunity at all. in many of those communities. and so that gives -- gets us to a conversation about what are the underlying causes that drive people towards radical ideology ideologies in certain places? >> can you drive through the suburbs and you really can -- you can see it immediately. just the difference. really quickly. one final thing on unemployment. 40%. i saw a stat last week that unemployment in america for people with bachelors degrees,
like 2%. isn't that remarkable? >> also, really quickly, we were going to get to these polls i don't think we'll have time. according to a new poll 27% of americans say the economic is excellent or good up 11 points from a year ago. attitudes are changing. the republican national committee announced dates for its 2016 convention. the event will be held in cleveland, in mid-july about six weeks earlier than the 2012 convention. party chairman rines priebus moved up the convention as part of a strategy -- >> in ohio? do they really want to go there. >> the nominee gave earlier access to the general election funds. priebus sought to strengthen the 2016 nominee by scaling back the number of debates as well. so mark halperin in san diego covering the republicans' winter meeting. what do we expect to hear from that? >> announcement later today the first day of the convention devoted to captures terrorists and murderers. >> exactly. >> never done before. the delegates are going to --
>> back to the buckeye state. i love that place, anyway go ahead. >> democrats fan all over ohio and bring them back. look governor romney will be here tomorrow night but you'll hear ben carson and scott walker speaking today. rick perry is also speaking tomorrow and all the buzz here is about the 2016 race. and a lot of surprise and question about what governor romney's doing and whether it's a little bit of a mirage and he might not even run, or if he does run, collapse before he gets a head of steam or has he transformed the race? a huge topic here. >> michael steele a remarkable call it ten days maybe two weeks and the party you once led as that chairman of the rnc with jeb bush effectively announcing he's getting into the race for all intents and purposes and mitt romney sort of being pressured, i guess, by the pace of jeb's announcement to the do the same. what do you make of the developments over the last two weeks? do you think mitt romney jeb bush actually do run and are
there standing on the stage at those late debates? >> i do. i think that mitt romney has done a re-assessment of the caliber and quality of the potential challengers, and said -- because you recall he said, you know, i'm not going to run unless, you know i see there's someone or no someone who can do this and i think he's looking at his position on a number of issues. whether it was on russia or the economy, as being correct, and he's kind of got this new mojo. i think he'll be there, in play same with jeb bush but i have to tell you, willie the exciting part for me is yet to come, and that is the republican governors. when the republican governors begin to throw down on this thing and get in this race that's when i really think dynamics change. you're talking about two former governors out for 8 and 12 years respectively. talking about governors who served through the recession. who had to deal with obamacare, who had to deal with the changes
in our economy and govern through that. so when they engage in this conversation, that's when it's going to be a real test of wills within the gop. this whole establishment versus tea party. i think that kind of goes away and it's really going to be about who can govern this country and who has? >> mark halperin go to the say, inside baseball, politics and media collide. but i fund itound it fascinating. you hear stories tabloids in the 1800s, pick a party, bash this candidate and bash that -- it's fascinating the little sort of back and forth between thewp "washington post," officially mitt romney's newspaper and the "new york times," trashes mitt romney for the benefit of jeb bush. every tay an anti-jeb story and pro-mitt story and followed by a pro jeb and anti-mitt in the "new york times." plaged out in the last couple of
weeks and fascinating. >> the editorial page breaks tight in votes against romney. the jeb and mitt people behind the scenes and the would-be candidates doing a ton of stuff, but very little in public. and we don't flare them often. jeb bush is in california as well but not doing public events and the press is consumed, as you suggested, not just those two big papers but a lot of the political media with the question, will we see a romney/bush face-off? what does that mean for christie and current governors michael steele referred to? this is not over-coverage, though. what's happening will determine the contours of the race even if there's two dozen candidates besides those two guys. still ahead on "morning joe." the nominations for this year academy awards are just moments away, and you'll see them live right here. we'll be right back. you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs,
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willie and i can tell you, it feels good. >> you did not. stop. >> we didn't want to because it's not about us. >> yep. >> we did it for the kids. >> the 3,000-foot granite base tommy caldwell and kevin jorgeson reached the summit. becoming the first people in history. >> second and third. >> to scale the wall of el capitan using only their hands and feet. to pull them up. >> oh. wow. we used at least an elevator. >> we had scaffolding and an elevator. so, okay maybe we don't -- >> all right, okay. >> completed edcompleted -- started december 27th, only harnesses in case of falls. each night ate and slept in hanging tents thousands above the valley floor, for perspective, the half mile stretch of granite they climbed is about as tall as two empire state buildings. >> come on y'all. >> stacked on top of each other.
>> the indianapolis star. colts back up linebacker josh mcnairy charged with rape criminal confinement with body injury and battery. police believe he is responsible for a december 1st attack on a female accuser, an attorney for him denies those charges. the colts play flunked for the afc title on sunday. south china, morning post. taxi drivers across china going on strike over low pay and competition from taxi sevilles smartphone apps such as uber. in china, the apps permit drivers without taxi licenses to pick up passengers many offering cheaper prices. frustrated taxi drivers argue their fees are due to high taxes and city taxes. >> willie you're a city guy. how is that each thing? seems dangerous at times? >> it is sent from heaven. >> really? it's great? >> uber is great. put an app on your phone. sitting in a restaurant, check
comes, want to leave in five minutes. call up the app. pop it. shows a car three, four minutes away. click on the car. sends you the driver's picture, name, phone number. he calls you, says i'll be out front in five minutes. walk out, get in the car tell them where you want to go. it's more expensive than a taxi. the down side. they've had specific isolated -- >> has anybody triped to sexually assault you? >> no. but that -- >> stop! >> that would be my concern. especially if i were -- especially if i were a woman. >> why joe is jealous. he cannot get a cab. nobody will stop. >> there's a quality control issue. i'm wondering. i would not, let's say, my daughter, if she were 17 18 -- >> yeah. have her cell phone number that could happen in a taxicab. something could happen to you late at night on an empty subway car. have them exchange cell phone numbers? the guy calms you -- >> find you later you mean? >> yeah.
i don't know. >> i guess so. it's a problem uber has to deal with. had a few of those incidents. overall, an incredible convenience popping up all over the world. >> even china. >> "the daily mail." >> the royal family increased its social media presence with brand new twitter and instagram. >> thank goodness. waiting for years. >> palace officials say it will feature posts from the duke and duchess as well as prince harry. so far the posts mundane. quite what you would expect from prince harry who found himself in trouble with photos. >> harry's great. got no problem with harry, but, you know william, it's going to be look my male pattern baldness, look what it's done over the past month or two? >> he's doing all right for himself. >> stop. >> postings also promote the royalty charitable foundation we're told. >> you're mean. coming up on "morning joe," which films will be in the running for this year's best picture? we're going to bring you the oscar nomen ace nations live from
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of movies that are perkicking up steam before the nominations. i feel this is a big breakout role for bradley cooper? >> yes. you know listen, "american sniper" has come on really strong. people are liking it. it's doing well at the box office. this is probably in a year of small independent films i'll guess a lot of your audience still hasn't seen or may never see. "america sniper" hollywood likes, big broad, has stars and clint eastwood. talking yesterday, this is the first movie clint has done since he talked to the chair at the national republican convention and lab ral hollywood doesn't care. they still love clint and think he's one of the greatest. >> joe, jump in. >> i wanted to ask janice. i'm a big wes anderson fan and obviously great to see him win at the golden globes. any chance of repeating, the academy awards? >> okay. i'm saying i think he'll probably get a best picture nomination for "grand budapest."
probably a directing nominations. a kooky darling of hollywood. that golden globe was a huge surprise and also a conventional wisdom that the earlier your movie is released in the year the more likely academy voters will forget about it. this was released in march. it's a real testament to the staying power of the movie and how memorable it's been for people. >> thomas? >> joanna what do you like? because i think you have a distinction between the brits and us regular, old americans? i know that you -- >> ah ah ah. >> i do think my people are going to crush your people in the acting categories this year especially in the best actor category. we've got benedict cumberbatch, eddie redmayne in the role of a life time at's stephen hawking in 'the theory of everything" and david oyelowo as the great martin luther king and it's possible ralph fiennes might slip in for "grand budapest
hotel." could be four out of the five. >> i hate that bradley cooper gets a nomination but i feel every role he gets nominated, and this isn't as feel-good a movie, because people don't feel at comfortable seeing movies about snipers. not really a family movie. >> oh, yeah. >> janice kwhshgs it comes to bradley cooper think about a breakout role. so many great films. why would this be a distinct break breakout role? >> i think it's wrong to call it that. past two, "america hustle " -- >> "silver lining playbook e. >> thank you. >> mika to the rescue on that one. >> hello, everybody! >> oh my gosh. we're making her pop culture. it's happening. >> a great movie. i think we think of him as like the "hangover guy." got-looking funny guy but he's actually done an incredible amount of great work in the last few years. >> joe scarborough, no longer "the hangover guy."
>> actually always the "wedding crasher" guy to me. i love bradley. shows extraordinary range in this movie. extraordinary. janice fascinating story about angelina jolie. puts together a great movie, "unbroken." as you say, for some reason this movie just never really took off with some critics and the buzz you say it dead? >> i would say the buzz died. i mean listen that would be a huge upset if she came back with any nomination for this movie. it came into the season -- >> why that janice? >> you know you look at -- when you look at the nominating process of how you get awards in other categories directors guild, screen actors guild it got shut out. behind the scenes people did not like the movie or didn't think it was awards worthy. we've heard from different members of different voting bodies that the torture scenes were too much for people to take. there's definitely also a little
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>> leave clooney alone. gauss the cecil b. mill award. looking very very good. >> i'll let you duke that out. live now to the samuel goldwyn theater in beverly hills where actor chris pine and academy president cheryl boone isaacs are announcing the nominees for the 2015 academy awards. [ applause ] welcome. what an exciting morning. thank you alfonso and j.j. for kicking it all off. chris, let's continue. >> for performance by an actor in a supporting role the nominees are -- robert duvall in "the judge." evening hawke in "boyhood." edward norton in "birdman or the unexpected virtue of ignorance." mark ruffalo in "foxcatcher." and j.k. simmons in "whiplash."
for parnens by an actress in a supporting role the nominees are -- patricia ar dmet "boyhood." laura dern in "wild." kyra nightly in "the imitation game." emma stone in "birdman or the unexpected virtue of ignorance "and meryl streep in "into the woods." >> for achievement in makeup and hair-styling, the nominees are -- bill corso and dennis lityard for "foxcatcher." frances hannan and mark coolier for "the grand budapest hotel" and elizabeth and david for "guardians of the galaxy." for achievement in costume design the nominees are --
malena kamanaro and mark bridges. colleen gnatwood and anna b. shepherd and jaclyn duran. for achievement in cinematography, the nominees are -- emanuel labefky for oh birdman." robert yeoman for "the grand boot peft hotel." loucash yall and rashard plan koski. dick pope for "mr. turner." and roger deacons for "unbroken." for adapted screenplay the nominees are -- jason hall for "american sniper."
graham moore for "the imitation game." paul thomas anderson anthony mccartan for "the theory of everything" and damien shazell for "y whenlash." for original screenplay, the nominees are -- al la al haund dre, and alexander and armando for the birdman or unexpected virtue of ignorance. richard linklater for "boyhood." e. max frye and dan fudderman for "foxcatcher." wes anderson and hugo guinness for "the grand budapest hotel." and dan gilroy for "night crawler." for original score the nominees are -- alexander day spla for "the
grand budapest hotel." alexander day spla for the imitation game. hans zimmer for interstellar gary for mr. turner and yohan johansson for "the theory of everything." in the best foreign language film category, the nominees are -- from poland eda. from russia laviathan. in estonia, tangerines. from moratania, timbuktu and from argentina, "wild tales." for achievement in directing, birdman, richard linklater, bennett miller, wes anderson and morton tilldon for
the "imitation game." >> for performance by an actress in a leading role, the nominees are -- marion cotillard. felicity jones gilejulianne moore rosamund pike and reese witherspoon witherspoon. for performance by an actor in a leading role the nominees are -- steve carell in "foxcatcher." bradley cooper in "american sniper." benedict cumberbatch in "the imitation game." michael keet keaton in birdman." and eddie redmayne in "the theory of everything."
and finally, we are pleased to announce the films selected as the best picture nominees. they are -- "american sniper." clint eastwood, robert lar"birdman," alejandro and john lesher and james w. xpoch apoll producers. "boyhood" richard linklater and kathleen sutherland producers. "the grand budapest hotel," wes anderson scott rudin, stephen rais and jeremy dawson, producers. "the imitation game," norah grossman do ostrakoski. "selma" christina colson oprah
winfrey, dee dee gardner and jeremy kleiner, producers. "the theory of everything." tim bevin, eric fellner, lisa bruce and anthony mccartan, producers. and "whiplash." jason blum helen estabrook and david lancaster, producers. for the complete list of all the nominations, please visit oscar.com. and join us sunday night, february 22nd, to celebrate these incredibly -- the nominations are in and, joe, the nominations for best picture, let you wrap everything up we just saw here though that is a real fight. that's a real fight. i can't imagine even which one i'd want to win. >> a real fight. a couple of things. robert duvall getting -- making history today as the oldest nominee in his category for best supporting actor at 84. just extraordinary actor forea long time. bradley cooper. once again. a nominee for best actor.
but "american sniper," "birdman" and "grand budapest hotel" have broken through, i can tell you, the scarborough guys all wes anderson fans. if he was yesterday a quirky hollywood director that everybody loved but nobody you know not everybody got in hollywood that has finished the academy, officially embraced wes anderson and just about every major category a big, big day for wes. >> all right. janice min, you've had a moment or two. i've seen you taking notes. what are the shockers to you? >> okay. big snub jennifer aniston. she has run a masterful campaign putting herself in the awards race. she was nominated for a golden globe, nominated for a s.a.g. completely shut occupy. that's going to be a big surprise people will talk about here. and another big snub david oyelowo who plays martin luther king in "selma." look at the field of nominated actors, if i'm not mistaken all
white. a chance to nominate and extraordinary performance and also add some diversity to the mix of candidates this year nominees. so stephen carell who was nominated, seems to be in the place of david oyelowo. "foxcatcher," a movie that had come and gone in the awards discussion. discussion of the movie, mark shultz, the wrestler attacking the movie on twitter, attacking the director bennett miller. the moment seemed to have passed but came back in this discussion. and the other snub clint eastwood did not get a nomination for "american sniper." seemed a sure thing but he didn't get it this year. >> reaction around the studio. joanna coles, your take? >> what is exciting this is not going to be a rerun of the golden globes. we have "american sniper" back. interesting, no female directors in this. >> right. >> selma got a best movie nomination -- >> but not its director. >> angelina completely locked
out. >> wow yeah. >> and the photographer nomination for "unbroken," nothing else. so sort of a mixed showing for women. but i'm very excited about the actual races, because they're all really talented. this is a great year for movies. >> it really is. thomas, what did you think? >> very interesting, but with janice, i was interested more in seeing who was left out and certainly jennifer aniston i thought it was revealing to see her not there. because of the names that they did put out. marion cotillard, janice her role, the film she was in has that gotten a lot of buzz? >> no. none at all. that was a real -- that just shows the academy's love of marion cotillard. this movie is not -- it's not like "la vie en rose" or other movies she's done that's become a darling in america. a huge surprise. i would have even wagered most people didn't even see the screener that came. >> really. lewis? >> janice are you surprised "birdman" is in so many
categories? >> this is our theory at the "hollywood theater" why people love "birdman." it plays to the classic hollywood fear and narrative of an out of work actor and what happens to you. it's -- the acting the actors are the biggest component of the voting body of the academy. and it's also beautifully directed by the director who were "babble" before and nominated for an oscar. it's the comeback story both in the plot but also in michael keaton. it has all the elements hollywood loves. like a fairy tale for actors. >> the big celebration. emma stone. >> yeah. >> this is a big morning for her. >> i'm going to force you all to do something in the last seconds. best picture? >> boyhood. >> no way. >> american sniper. >> going with the imitation game. >> birdman. >> there you we go. >> completely split. >> i'll make janice do it next. thank you so much. joanna, stay with us. what we've learned today, after a quick break.
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working women and families. that's tomorrow at 8:30. >> we always talk about what we learned today. i'm afraid to ask you, because you -- >> just found a dog on the street. says we're adopting. i said no. >> oh it's so cute! i love it. >> i thought -- >> oh my goodness. look at your new dog. >> you got to keep that dog. >> thomas found a dog. so cute! that's a "yes"! . that's a yes. >> who does this for thomas? >> i thought there was breaking news. i thought thomas had breaking nugz from across the wires. >> no. >> patrick does this all the tile. the answer is, no! >> 20,000 people killed in ath earthquake. >> 1,100 square foot apartment. >> the answer is no. >> it wasn't killed in ath earthquake. i thought that was the breaking news. >> so cute. look! >> the signs of those paws. yeah. >> what i learned was, the extraordinary range of peculiar names for benedict cumberbatch out there.
bendy back cuecumber pants. janice min, predictions? >> okay. best picture, boyhood. best director will be alejandro for the birdman director and julianne moore actress, "still alice". >> so good. >> and michael keaton locked for best actor. >> okay. i'm going with "american sniper" for picture. >> really? >> uh-huh. >> we shall see. >> we shall see. nine nominations for "the grand budapest hotel." >> amazing. >> unbelievable. >> and wes anderson's day to come out. a guy that has been beloved by a lot of sort of -- >> you've been talking about him for years. >> we've always -- >> always. >> since "bottle rocket" a huge fan of his but he really went mainstream today. >> still disappointed david oyelowo didn't get one. >> "selma" got snubbed today. that's it for us. thomas and patrick got a new dog. >> no. >> what are you going to name it? >> rundown. after a brief break.
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>> thank you, mr. president. >> thank you. i enjoyed it. all right then. good morning it is tuesday, november 11th, veterans day. welcome to "morning joe." with us on the set we have mike barnacle and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. and willie and me. we'll get right to the arctic outbreak early. it came early this year. the question is how long will this last. this morning more than 100 schools one minnesota are closed. more than 200 flights have been cancelled after a storm dropped up to a foot of snow. what's the date? there are frigid temperatures moving down from canada and when it's all said and done more than 200 million people will be feeling the freeze. nbc meteorologist bill karins is tracking it. bill? >> st. cloud, minnesota. most snow they've seen in any
given day, 13 inches of snow. first snow of the season. some areas got nailed by the snow. we're tracking the cold. a little bit of snow left heading up towards wisconsin. des moines a little bit of snow surprise this morning four. green bay and milwaukee not snowing, still warm but that cold air is on its way. this is the story today as the arctic blast makes its way to dallas, chicago, st. louis, indianapolis this afternoon. here's the current wind chill. this is a map if i had to guess what month it was based on this map i would say december or january. rapid city at minus 14. amarillo, texas has a wind chill of 5 this morning. notice chicago and st. louis. that cold air is heading to you next. here's your veterans day forecast. east coast, you're just fine. you have two more days of warmth before the cold makes it across the country. watch the temperatures just plunge. by the time we get to thursday, that's when the cold will make its way all the way to the east
coast, boston, new york and d.c. thursday afternoon is when the cold air makes it here. not as bad as a central plains. snow is now on the ground, no sign of any warmth, in store for a very long november. >> okay. thank you, barns barns. >> you're welcome. to foreign policy. there's a new measure to the threat posed by isis militants, the reach of the terror group now expands into egypt. the country's most violent extremist group is pledging loyalty to the islamic state. fires have killed scores of egyptian troops and may have informant inside the military. it's another example of diminishing hope for democratic reforms following the arab spring. a memo obtained by the nbc news the islamic state has plans to
join with militants in pakistan. the spiraling violence can be traced back to iraq and syria. and the heart of the insurgency. richard engel enter kobani and here's his report. >> reporter: for two bosco ha m kobani has been fighting for its life. we managed to get inside and found a city devastated but refusing to surrender. these kurdish fighters, women and men are outgunned and outnumbered. this 34-year-old woman is a top field commander. her name means strength. now we run she says. sheets hung across intersections cloak our movements from enemy snipers. you stay low and run fast. the enemy is just 20 yards away.
>> she says when they come the isis fighters come in waves not just one or two but 40, 50 fighters will come and try to swarm into the building. >> reporter: to keep them back the kurds of kobani mostly have light weapons and grenades. half of kobani has fallen toy isis. its defenders are trying to claw it back. kobani has been paying a heavy price for its resistance. this is what's left of main street. there are no people here. if i took two steps in that trex there's a danger of being shot by a sniper. the kurds are back by u.s. air strikes. these are the men and women on the ground facing an enemy known for its savagery. everyone here carries a weapon of last resort. they will commit suicide rather than be captured by isis. >> that was richard engel reporting. >> that's happening willie not only in syria and iraq, now the
news this morning really bad. it continues. now focused on egypt. focused on pakistan, two of the most important countries in the world, certainly in the muslim world. and the united states, whether they like it or not, is going to have to get involved. and stop the spread of this. >> i think we're going to see a renewed focus on these foreign entanglemens. everybody was wrapped up in the med terms for a month or so. now you open the paper and say wait a minute how has the progress been. it's been 90 days or more. are we doing enough, too little? this debate heats up again. as you say despite our best efforts more problems are flaring up through the region. >> the president loves leading from behind. you can lead from behind on this any more. you're hearing admirals talking about -- retired admirals talking about what their sense is. you're hearing commanders
complaining about it. the president likes to go halfway in, a little bit at a time, just sort of back into things. it's just not going to work here. i don't think it's going to work here. >> when you combine it with the fact you have a new armed services committee chair in the sense of john mccain. lindsey graham will be empowered. if you said that this president eight months ago mr. president you would be on the verge of deploying several thousand troops to a region in which you promised to end conflict he would find that laughable. it causes more balanced approach. you can't pull all the way out or stay all the way in. it takes a different kind of approach. the president will be prodded by this new republican senate to do things he wasn't inclineded to do but forced to do. >> history will show george w. bush went too far. too excessive. too prepared to use force. barack obama and overcorrect and
we're paying a terrible price for it. if he does not change, if he does not do what every other president does, what bill clinton did, what fdr did, what ronald reagan did, what george w. bush did and learn from his past mistakes, if he stays isolated in a bubble, there will be a tremendous price for america to pay and i'm not saying to go invade the middle east. i'm saying to get out of your defensive crouch and get out of your bubble and figure out what's going on and start connecting the dots. it's frightening as hell and if i met one ambassador across the world, if i met one world leader across the world that wasn't scared as hell at how the united states is responding to this threat, i wouldn't be speaking this way because i always assume the president and the president's advisers know a hell a lot more about stuff than those of us who don't get the intel reports.
i am hearing this from around the globe. this is really, really bad. and america's response is scaring the hell out of the world. >> you mentioned history's assessment. history's seesments, the headline will be that george w. bush broke the middle east by invading iraq. that's where it begins. today, where we're at and you have to feel some sense of sympathy for this administration, for the president of the united states because clearly the underpinning of what's happening here is the complete inability of the iraqi army to defend their own country. anbar province is gone. it is gone. we are over the next several months have to introduce more troops on to the ground. >> anbar province was gone before. george w. bush boroke the middl east. david petraeus, the troops, george w. bush got drugged in
2006 in his second mid-term. they self-corrected and won anbar province back. >> they did, joe. >> and that required george w. bush to do what pissed off a lot of again rals in the pentagon and find a general named david petraeus and work around him, bob woodward documented this and do things -- you know he had to get out of his comfort zone. it's just not enough to say george w. bush broke it and now well gee that gives barack obama a free pass. i'm not saying you're saying that. >> there's no doubt that the surge under bush and general petraeus, the surge worked. but what did it work as? it wasn't a victory. >> it stevof staved off defeat. >> that's right. >> we held anbar province. would we rather hold anbar province or have isis hold anbar province. at some point barack obama and
his people have toed mitt they screwed up by getting out of iraq as quickly as possible. this is what the 2012 election was about. they have to admit he screwed up. he was as ideological about getting out as george bush was ideologically about getting in. >> they should of negotiated much stronger with the iraqi government to maintain a true presence in iraq. >> one other element to point out on veterans day today is 1500 more advisors are going in, u.s. troops going into iraq. it's a political decision from washington. that's 1500 families. again we're going to go through this again and worry whether their husband or daughter or wife is going to come back alive. >> can i ask, harold, i don't want american troops to go back to war. but you got to make some uncomfortable decisions. if you don't want american troops to go to war, then you have to do what has to be done
to have the kurds take care of their own area and that means upsetting turkey and that means upsetting other people in the region. but, you know what? we don't have a lot of option. arm the kurds. they will fight for their land. if we arm them to the teeth and give them all the support they need, our men and women don't have to-die-for somebody else's property they will fight and die as we saw with richard engel for their own property. we won't make any decisive decisions, we sit back and let the waves batter us. >> consistent with your point one of the things the democrats were highly critical of president bush about and vice president cheney is that they were not clear and forceful in asserting why and what interests we had at stake in the region. when it became clear there were no weapons of mass destruction they didn't back track. this president hasn't made clear what our objectives are and what kind of timetable he sees us committing to. it's incumbents upon him
whatever course of action to take to make clear to the country what we're doing and why we're doing and apply that theology and conceptual thinking to how and what we're doing there. >> not invading the middle east. it's not about sending troops back over to the middle east. >> there's a lack of clarity. >> it's about being aggressive and telling turkey tough luck. >> before you explain it to the american people you have to explain it to the president of turkey. the kurds are coming into your country through northern syria. you're not going to prevent them from coming into syria. >> enjoy kurdistan. you haven't done the job. you played footsies with the terrorists for your own reasons. fine. you'll have the kurds on your southern border. we're not going to send our men and women to fight and die because you let terrorists use
istanbul and your terrorist highway to get to isis. it's insanity. we have to make turkey pay. because either they pay or our sons and daughters die over there. >> so one of the issues that will be debated in 2016, running up to the 2016 election and right now two people generating some of the most interest for 2016 are the same two people who have said they are not running. unlike hillary clinton and rand pull laying the framework for presidential campaigns, mitt romney and elizabeth warren push back on white house speculation. that doesn't mean they are not feeling the gravitational pull. "the washington post" reports mitt romney called dozens of candidates after tuesday's mid-terms cementing relationships nationwide. supporters put out a spreadsheet contrasting his mid-term picks and associates and former governors said if jeb bush
doesn't run romney would consider jumping in again. a former campaign staffer for obama signed up for the group ready for warren which is building a base in iowa and new hampshire. >> what do you think of that, mika? >> i don't think it's a big deal but seems to being pushed out there. >> aren't you hearing a lot of democrats saying they just don't -- they used to think hillary was ineactivity scrabble and 2014 has shown hillary is not inevit ampinevitable. from our democratic friends in washington, d.c. they don't think she's inevitable. >> 2014 makes her a stronger candidate largely because she's the perception and mika you raised this before. >> talking about elizabeth
warren? >> hillary clinton. mika has made the point that what is it she stands for and a lot of people to joe's point believes she stands for this clinton model and the clinton engine of how you approach big issues. she will benefit from that but she has to begin to articulate that. she benefitted largely because president obama is seen on the sidelines. she was out there. she has to begin to articulate a message. if she was clumsy like with the launch of the book -- but i don't think inability bubble has been burst. there's a desire to hear her. she doesn't say much she will have a problem. there's a great desire in the party for her to begin to speak up more and be a leader. >> imagine if you are elizabeth warren, you're sitting there, you're a smart person, and you know, you know that you own 100% the biggest issue in the upcoming presidential election
in 2016. you own take home pay. you own the paycheck that workers in this country, republican and democrat take home. you own that issue. >> mike, if you and i were advising her and we're not we should be advising her to run. what would she have to lose. >> mika what does elizabeth warren have to lose if she runs for president? >> i think two things in terms of hillary clinton. there's a lot of room for her to be lame. if you go to a room of 500 people doing a book event, we did a few recently and asked the room are you ready for hillary they raise their room. they just do it. it's automatic. until it's not. but it's still -- these experiences we've had over the years have reflected, you know, with mitt romney we would see the lack of excitement.
which now you see. >> actually it's bizarre. we went around for four years we go on college campuses, go all over and mika always asks people who your excited about. for four years nobody raised their hands about mitt romney from 2009 through 2012. now, you're talking about romney. which is bizarre. okay. wait a second. when you knew he was running you weren't interested and now we go there and mika goes some of the people are interested in mitt romney. and we're stunned how many people raise their hands. >> putin helped. >> putin helped. >> in a huge way. >> by the way did you guys see these pictures. >> awkward. >> what's the deal. why are they wearing pajamas. is that culturally insensitive. >> that is. if you could take it back -- >> that's culturally insensitive
to russians wearing silk pajamas. >> they had a moment on the sideline but didn't discuss issues. they gave their little fist pump hello. >> this is a beautiful place. >> still ahead on this veterans day we have some -- >> that is a snappy outfit. >> really nice. >> sector of the va bob mcdonald -- >> it's like j.j. abrams "star trek." >> plus the ceo and president of the ford motor company mark fields with a big announcement for his company on "morning joe." also ahead who should play edward snowden in the adaptation of his life. we'll tell you what actor has signed up for the role. how this corvette ended up in the delaware river. we'll be right back.
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>> the "sun sentinel" a florida woman made a full recovery after having no pulse for 45 minutes during a routine c section. doctors and nurses worked frantically to save the woman's life when she flat lined shortly after giving birth. the medical team stopped all life-saving procedures when suddenly the heart monitor began to pick up a heart beat. within hours she was awake and was able to go home a few days later. mother and baby are doing well. >> that's unbelievable. they will study that one for a long time. >> oh, my gosh. >> thank god. >> amazing. fifl "philadelphia inquirer" a jilted husband dumped his wife's
corvette in the delaware river. the man and his wife who are are in the middle of a bitter divorce shared the red corvette. reports indicate he may have dumped the car in an attempt to get back at her. officials are searching for the man. >> that's one way to get your point across. all right. coming up michael bloomberg spent a lot of money on this year's mid-terms and he already has a plan for 2016. plus, senator rand paul calls barack obama's war on isis illegal. we'll tell you why. the must read opinion pages are next.
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♪ live look at washington, d.c. capitol getting a makeover. we'll start for our must read opinion pages, joining us in washington is pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson and at politico headquarters the chief white house correspondent for politico, the great mike allen. let's start with the daily beast. rand paul has a piece and he
writes this. obama's isis war is illegal. conservatives can't simply be angry at the president's lawlessness when they disagree with his policies. they should end their conspy can youous silence about the president's usurpation of congress' sole authority to declare war even if they support going after isis as i do. this is important. it matters how we go after isis. it should include this current battle in the middle east taking military action against isis is justified. the president acting without congress is not. >> gee, this could have been written in 1971. most people just don't seem to care these days. by most people i mean most administrations, republican and democrat and most members of congress. >> i don't think any president
is going to willingly give up what presidents, you know, the right to declare war that presidents frankly have taken from congress. it is written that it's congress that is supposed to declare war yet the last time there was a formal declaration of war was during world war ii. at least, those and i've written this several times, congress should debate this new war. the whole country should be behind this. this is important. and it's going to last a long time and we need to know what we're getting into. there should be at least an authorization for the use of military force because frankly using the old authorization in iraq is a stretch. >> mike, they went off and started campaigning. and they debated it for like six hours and all they debated was arming the kurds. >> was there any lengthy debate in discussion prior to the invasion of iraq in 2003.
very little. there was any debate and discussion after the passage of the gulf of tonkin resolution? very little. >> i thought we had a hearty debate in 2003. >> yeah, prior to iraq. but there was no declaration. >> right no declaration. there hasn't been. yeah. harold, this seems to be taking it to an even lower level. congress is so shirking their responsibility they don't want to debate this on the floor. >> this is the point i tried to make earlier. i agree with turkey and the president making clear our expectations. i don't always agree with rand paul's foreign policy
philosophy. some places want this conversation. when you're a president that wins the presidency around an issue that we wanted a different policy around the middle east it's odd not to have congress debate if indeed you'll escalate our policy. >> gene is right using the 2001, 2002 authorizations that cover the fight against terrorism is dubious and i would say if it was a republican president i'll say it in four years if the republican president tries to use it how long does that go on. can you use it 20 years from now? 50 years from now. >> it's sad. >> this is a new danger, gene. a danger we haven't seen. >> it really is. there's nothing in those authorizations for afghanistan or iraq that says anything about what's going on now and certainly the word syria does not appear in any of those authorizations.
frankl fra frankly, this is a new war. >> let's turn to politico now, mike allen standing by. you got a good piece up about former new york city michael bloomberg his 2016 spending strategy. mike what's he thinking two years from now? >> well, he's decided that federal races, house senate races are too crowd. there's too many billionaires all flooding in trying to get their voices in these congressional races so mike bloomberg is taking the look, he looks ahead to 2016 and spent $40 million this year, the second most of any individual after tom styer. we can expect him to spend more. he's looking at governor races, local referendum. school board. he spent 60% of his money this time in those local races, also governors, state and local, not only because you can have an impact but because that's where
the action is. >> you guys say that bloomberg got involved in 20 races and won 16 of those 20 races. steve schmidt and i couple of days before the election buried him prematurely oh, well it looks like gun control will cost the governorship in colorado, in connecticut and here you have in those two states that were most aggressive in gun control measures, hickenlooper won and dannel malloy expanded the margin of victory in connecticut. >> that's right. and he was the rare democrat, a life long democrat who of course has run as a republican and independent but he's a life long democrat who had a great win/loss record. you mentioned a couple of democratic races he won.
but, joe, he played in five republican races, three primaries and two generals and won all of them. he was a backer of charlie baker in massachusetts and he was 5-0 in his republican races and he says in '16 as well he'll look for republicans who have taken on someone in their party are not afraid to cross the aisle, have a record of doing both in addition to an interest to his issues which of course includes guns, soda tax, petroleum reform, education reform. >> that's incredible. i had no idea his won/loss record of that good. when you hear about -- he's second in only spending to tom styer. it looks like he used data. he was bloomberging about this and used data 16 out of 20 and going on both side of the aisles. pretty impressive. >> kind of a silver lining.
>> mike allen thank you very much. gene, stay with us. still ahead chuck todd is here to look at his new book. >> you thought the election was painful? >> i did. it was hard to watch the democratic candidates shoot themselves in the foot. yeah. are you asking or is that not a question? >> no. >> is it a question? >> was it painful? >> hard to watch. >> they got popcorn out. >> it was good. >> kentucky was awful. >> awful. you could see it happening. it was like a slow motion -- you know. anyhow yes to answer your questions. so, chuck's new book "the obama presidency" it's on the obama president and why he entitled it the stranger. first imagine a world where policy decisions are made based on hard evidence. no. not politics or personal gain? can you imagine? call it "moneyball" for government and peter orszag is here to explain. ♪
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longest in american league history many say thanks to their use of data as portrayed in that movie "moneyball." can that science be replicated. gentlemen, good morning. >> peter, lay this out for us. one thing to do in this baseball but we do live in this error of data and analytics. we see it applied to politics and things far beyond the reach of baseball. how do you make government work for data. >> less than $1 out of ever lie 100 that we spend at the federal level has any evidence it works. 37% of federal government managers say their program has not been evaluated within the past five years. so we need to do better and then part of it is investing, you need the evidence. you need to invest in the data
in order to make decisions then you need to drive those decisions off of the data. >> like what's a good example? >> i'll give you a good example. this is particularly important. not only is it one thing that democrats and republicans can agree on, we have this book with bipartisan support, it's shocking. but also because we have these caps on discretionary spending that will become increasingly tight over time and as we meet them we need to cut stuff that doesn't work and not stuff that does. good example youth opportunity grants a program in the late 1990s. it turns out after the fact we examined it it worked, too late however because the program was eliminated in the absence of any evidence. we baselinely cut. >> with scarce resources how do you somehow bring from what is what is ought to be. we worked together on the house floor. that's a really messy pigpen. joni ernst had it right at
times. how do you do that? how do you make it more efficient? >> you and harmd both know, part of the challenge is you don't meet a government program or a spending priority that doesn't have a constituency, that doesn't have a special interest group tied to it, that comes to washington to let you all, you know, know all the positive things and puts pressure on you to fund it and they rarely bring evidence but they bring a lot of pressure and a lot of resources to bear. and if we had a tool as representatives, the three of us and our colleagues that are still on the hill to be able to analyze this, just data of any kind as peter said, we don't even have some of the basic evidence, basic measurements you would think you would need in order to analyze programs. >> how is it that in 2014 our federal government is so inefficient when you compare it to every single fortune 500 company out there?
>> i'll take a shot at that. look, i think there's three things. first we haven't paid attention. for example most agencies don't, almost all agencies don't even have someone whose responsibility is like a chief evaluation officer to figure out what works and what doesn't. federal government is behind the ball on digitization. very hard to examine what works and what doesn't if you don't have a digital backboard. and the political environment doesn't want to look at the evidence because it's awkward to find out something doesn't work. >> when you were working for the president you and peter both, give me an example after doing the book if there was an area that you advise the president on, advising cabinet secretaries gave me one two. peter gave us youth opportunity grants. give us one or two of something to be changed or expanded. >> we found one called the nurse partnership program that was a
program out of baltimore where we were putting together nurses with first time families that were having kids for the very first time but in some challenging environments, challenging home situations, and discovered that based on evidence, again, over a number of years that this was a program that was working, it was keeping mothers healthy, it was keeping them out of trouble, it was keeping families together, and so we funded that and, of course, peter took it and when he was om bdirector he took it even more. it's those kinds of things. unfortunately there's very few examples where you can say this is evidence that is used. we do it on the regulatory side. i worked for the credit unions. we use evidence all the time for regulatory action and work but rarely do we do it on the legislatively side particularly in spending appropriations. that's what we're hoping to be able to encourage through the use of this book.
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beijing while trying to pressure the government on everything from human rights to cyber security attacks. the u.s. and china have already agreed to drop tariffs on tech products and extend work and student visas which the president hailed as a major break through but awkwardness remains. the front page of "usa today" shows russian president vladimir putin walking right past president obama during a group photo. the leaders first time together since the u.s. imposed sanctions over ukraine. the presidents met at least three times during the day for 20 minutes discussing iran, syria and ukraine. meanwhile president obama is set to dine with china's president their first meeting on chinese soil. the president is expected to apply pressure over aggressive cyber hacking but there are new reports hackers with the chinese government ties reached the postal service's network in september. the data of some 800,000
employees, even the post master general believed to have been compromised. >> the next war, man, it could be a cyber war. >> definitely. >> it is amazing what the chinese have been able to infiltrate. they can infiltrate everything. we don't realize how quickly our entire economic system melts down if they shut it down. hack it and shut it down. it melts down. >> what about jpmorgan, bank of america, morgan stanley. >> not on the scale that you mention. you're right. there's a big book on cyber security and cyber tech. you have a couple of guys, men and women sitting in a room with high advance degrees fundamentally can change the world like that. >> just like that. >> what would happen if at the atms in this country didn't work for a period of three, four, five, six days. >> absolutely everything.
>> shut the water down. shut the faa down. >> power. >> have planes up in the air and to have somebody hack into that, and suddenly there's no air traffic controllers. can you imagine that? that's not far fetched. david, dictate us inside the white house. obviously over the past several years we've heard a lot more about this. but can you -- can you just kind of take us into a meeting where sort of a gee whiz meeting you sat there and i say gee whiz, where you sat there and said oh, my god this is so much more dangerous than anybody could imagine? >> well, a gee whiz weren't the words you would necessarily use but you can't say them on tv. no. look, i think one of the great challenges in every realm of governing today is the impact that technology is having on every aspect of our lives, and this is one of them. and the cyber issue has been a
real focus for the pentagon, for the president, for the national security apparatus. the real challenge is trying to figure out where is this all going, how do you thwart these things, what's the next iteration because it's churning so quickly. it makes national security, for one thing, much more complex than it's ever been before. >> okay. as the nation prepares to honor its 22 million veterans today, big changes are on the way to the department of veteran affairs. secretary bob mcdonald announced a massive overhaul after allegations that veterans were forced to wait extended periods of time for care. he says the focus will now be on customer service and secretary bob mcdonald joins us now from the white house. it is very good to have you on the show this morning, especially on this veterans day. >> good morning and happy veterans day. >> yeah. obviously a massive under
taking. you've already spoken publicly about the potential of firing up to 1,000 people. you want changes in this department. when do you think we would see any and what would you like to see the first major overhaul be? >> well, you already are starting to see some changes. we've got wait times down for appointments for veterans by 18% nationally. we got disability claims backlogged down by 60%. homelessness is down by 33%. we want to drive those numbers to be even better and i think the first thing we're going to do as part of the re-organization is stand up our customer service organization that will being focused on reaching out to our veterans and navigating our veterans through our somewhat complex system as we simplify it. >> secretary mcdonald it's willie geist. i'll ask a question i asked yesterday. you came from the private sector, ran a private company and now you're confronted this behemoth of a bureaucracy teva.
if you were starting from scratch what would a great va system look like to you? >> well that's exactly what we're after in this organization, it's as if we're take a clean sheet of paper and redesigning the second largest department of government that was cobbled over many years. it starts with customer service. it starts with having a group of people that will reach out to our veterans, that will help them navigate the system. second it starts with simplifying the organization. right now we have nine different lines of business. all with a different geographic map. we're going to move to one geographic map. it also starts with better use of digital technology. we're standing up a digital services team. i personally have been out to menlo park to people that have been successful with google and others to come join us. we'll create regional organizes that will allow us to work across what today are our
vertical silos, regionally, so we'll have regional directors that will be in a sense, have my responsibility but at a much lower level. today, nothing gets integrated in va unless it comes up to the office of the secretary. >> mr. secretary, how difficult of a challenge it would be to mimic the customer service that they would have -- when you walk into a home depot or apple store you are met by a greeter who sort of takes you through the initial maze that you confront when you walk into these stores and make it simpler. how difficult would it be to mimic that experience teva? >> it's not difficult at all. that's what we want to do. at the proctor and gamble company on any given day 5 billion people on this planet use one proctor and gamble product. they are voting on us every single day. we need to win that vote every
day. we need to do the same thing in the va. we have pockets of that in our clinics and medical centers we have a greeter-kind of system. in some places it's a red coat system where people wear red coats. we're inconsistent. we need to be consistent. we need to get that every where. we need somebody leading the customer service organization to improve that customer experience. >> harold ford. >> good to see you. how much will this cost and do you anticipate a congress that's more receptive and more willing now that you're there and the changes you're make, reforms you're making, mr. secretary? >> i actually don't expect any additional head count or cost because of the organization. in fact, what we want to do is simplify and move resources from the center out to where the veterans are and i'm hoping it will be a reallocation,
non-incremental cost. the only incremental cost is we'll see the impact of the end of the war. you don't see the impact on the va until 40 years after the war ends. so we won't see an impact until 2050, 2055 and we're going to need more resources in order to meet that increasing demand until those years. >> all right. secretary robert mcdonald, thank you so much. let us hope for our veterans a happier veterans day than maybe they've had recently and i think it's safe to say here and safe for us to say we're all rooting for your. good luck. >> thank you so much. have a great day. happy veterans day. >> obamacare enrollment begins on saturday but ahead of that date the administration is already lowering expectations. the department of health and human services is now drastically scaling back
projects of how many people will be enrolled by the end of 2015. hhhs predicts about 9 million will be signed up, 4 million fewer enrolles than was projected last spring. the new projections are being viewed by many to temper expectation and create a bar that's easier to clear. hhs secretary says the number the administration is aiming for is actually 9.1 million at the lower end of the range. >> gene robinson, what's the impact of that? does it matter -- we're beyond the referendum on barack obama, we're beyond the referendum on the affordable care act. obviously there will be a huge debate in congress. but does this impact the ability of the program to run or are the insurance companies depending on a certain number of enrollee, et cetera. you know what i'm saying? what's the impact of that other
than a disappointing number? >> i struggle to try to understand, because the explanation of why the number was lowered so much never quite parsed for me. i got to confess my suspicion is they are low balling it and to be able to clear the bar comfortably and say, you know, we had a tremendous success with it. i think that number within that 30% range probably doesn't matter a whole lot to the program. i think the insurance companies will adjust. i think consumers will adjust. and i frankly think that number will be higher than this low estimate that we're being given right now >> you're saying they are -- >> yeah. david axelrod, three people in the audience actually understood that. david, so, we all know, people act in their best economic interest for themselves, for
their children, et cetera, et cetera. if the affordable care act is in the best interest of millions and millions of americans, what's happened with the slow number and what does the white house need to do, what does the administration need to do to push that number up? >> well, first of all, i think the low number is what gene suggests. and what you suggest. let's accept that. look they got to get out of the gates clean in term of the website working and accessible. they said they made improvements that make it even more consumer friendly, and there needs be good word-of-mouth. i wonder, honestly, what billions of dollars of advertising, you know, because the aca was such a football, political football in the last campaign does to people's level of interest in this and they have to build confidence in the program over time. so the first order of business is get out of the guest clean in this new sign up period, no
screw ups on the website. and make clear what people's choices are, and i think they have determined to do that if there's a screw up here, obviously that's a big setback. i don't anticipate that, though because of the experience they had last time. >> mike, if consumers learn they can go on the website it's easy. when mika and i went over there and showed the launch what they envision, wow. if it's that easy, kind of like what you said about the va, if it's that easy this will be a success. of course a horrible roll out and we all know that. i wonder if it is easier to go on this time and enroll and it looks the way it looked at the white house. i said -- i remember saying okay i'm against this, but this is going to work because it is so user friendly. >> no, it does work. it does work. there's a piece in the "the washington post" -- >> healthercare.gov does work. >> it does work. there's a piece in the "the
washington post" written by a fellow i think from south carolina who literally says in the "post" his life was saved by obamacare, whatever you want to call it. on the other hand, you have all of this evidence floating in the atmosphere that there will still be a continued concerted effort to kill this piece of legislation. so, david, my question to you is what is going to be the administration's response to this consistent assault on this piece of legislation? republicans want to kill it. >> well, i don't think they are going to take the aca out and they sort of signaled that. they are going to go for pieces of it, the equipment, the medical equipment tax. >> and it collapses. >> funding aspect of it. yeah. well the question of it which hits the main engine and which can be sustained. nobody including the president suggested this program can't be improved and if the administration is smart they
will embrace ideas that can improve the program and they will find areas which he can compromise. he won't sign any legislation that would laps the program. he's thoroughly committed to the program. so i think the key is to -- are there areas in which they can move. the number of hours from 30 to 40, you know, in terms of how people are categorized for the program and what businesses have to do, whether a 30 hour week is enough to qualify for the program or whether you need more hours. those are things they taught be able to compromise on. button core of it they are not going to compromise because as you said all over this country there are people benefiting from this program today many of whom would not have insurance, some of whose lives have been saved. >> mika, they are obviously going reform it. teen president himself said it could be made better. it could be made better. i think david is exactly right.
you change 30 hour a week minimum to 40 hour week minimum. that's a significant change especially for service employees who really fear the crunch of this bill. the president unilaterally put one exception after another in there. republicans had problems with this. this is the opportunity for everybody to work together and figure it out. unless ted cruz knows something i don't know about basic math and i'm not being negative towards him, for conservatives it's a laudible goal to end this piece of legislation, but it's all about math. as i said to republicans for years now it's about 50 plus one but in this case it's 60. >> yeah. >> i don't know how they get to 60 in the senate. >> before we go to break, david, it to share your project. you're teaming up with karl rove to bring job opportunities and mentorship to vets who are returning from combat. tell us all about it.
>> well, there's an organization called american corporate partners, a not profit nonpartisan group formed to provide mentoring and counselling and networking services to returning veterans which is a great well spring of talent. one of the by products of these wars we have these young people that have so much to offer but you want to hook them up with businesses. this organization matches volunteers from the business community with these veterans to give them the kind of support they need to go and find jobs, and part of it is this acp advisernet.org which is an online question and answer community where veterans who are looking to advance themselves in their careers and fine jobs can go online, ask questions and get answers from business professionals who volunteer their time. >> that's great. >> a very worthy project and a good day to encourage people to both volunteer their time and veterans to go online and make
use of it. >> david axelrod, thank you. gene, thank you as well. >> and willie, today, you're going to be involved. obviously your involvement has been spectacular with ucla, but you're going to be marching today. >> i'm marching again this year with the men and women of operation men which is out of ucla medical center. they provide reconstructive surgery, orthopedics, all kinds of things for the most severely of our veterans from iraq and afghanistan and mostly whose vehicles have rolled over ieds and in past wars would have died but now living with these injuries and ucla medical center does incredible work restoring these guys, literally rebuilding them giving them their lives back so they can live happily with their families and children. >> on that note, in our 8:00 hour senator john mccain will join us with a unique look at america's 13 wars. also chuck todd takes us inside his new book on the obama
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proponents of the law point to e cigarettes and bubble gum flavored cigars as threats to their youngest residents. >> "wall street journal" fulton center new york city's largest subway hub opened in lower manhattan on monday marking the completion of a $1.4 billion investment in lower manhattan since the attacks of 9/11. subway lines converge at the new terminal which will see 300,000 commuters every day. the station will feature 60,000 square feet of office and retail space. >> "the washington post," president obama will award the presidential medal of freedom to 19 recipients later this month. among those being honored in the november 24th certificate reason, nbc's tom brokaw. actress meryl streep. composer steven sondheim. stevie wonder. and john dingell, the longest serving member of congress in u.s. history.
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♪ so fascinating. joining us now, nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. he's the author of the new book "the stranger, barack obama in the white house." in the book chuck describes despite the breath of fresh air that the president promised to bring to washington many of the president's first hirns 2008
were veteran d.c. insiders. his favoring of establishment insiders and veterans of presidencies past demonstrated to those who had been up close with obama something they had known was there but had hoped might fade come arrival at 1600 pennsylvania. they saw the supreme self-confidence at times bordering on arrogance that defined obama, the assureness that allowed him to sit in a room with four star generals, heads of state, senior senators or business icons and believe himself their intellectual equal or superior. obama wasn't concerned about bringing big names, pillars of old washington on board an administration bent on change. as always he saw himself as the change. wow. and you go on from there. so tell me, first of all, as we look at the next two years, do you think anything can change at this point and has this been sort of what has led to the
narrative that this presidency has been, had a lock of change in it? >> i think that -- it's interesting when i talked with some folks in the last week who are indicating, you know what? he's got freedom. saying this. he spent a lot of time and i think in hindsight when you look back, he spent a lot of time allowing himself to be handcuffed by congressional democrats. i think some of this he sort of allowed them, he sort of deferred to them too often. >> clinton did it in '93 and '94. >> and regretted it. i don't know, i'll be curious when he writes his memoir he will regret it he let congressional democrats have too much say. but i think there's something he's enjoying this freedom. this net neutrality he didn't give a darn about who in congress, congressional democrats he just decided to do this. didn't really care if he line up any allies on capitol hill on
this one. knowing it was going to be sort of -- >> he was against what his fcc chairman has been suggests. >> they are doing it in china is the irony of that. >> i want to talk about "the stranger." one of the things that we've all heard from so many people and it wasn't like six years in, it was like two months in, from the most senior democrats, senators on the hill, he never calls. >> right. designee never talks to us. ask them a year later they will tell us, i've been here for a year, he's never invited notice the white house. i actually had a senator and it happens quite a few times where senators will call us what are you hearing over at the white house. what are they thinking. i'll go are you kidding me? >> i've had those conversations. >> look he's a stranger -- >> there's a few people he made relationships with. >> who? >> the biggest one i think somebody he didn't know going in
was his own attorney general. >> what about on the hill, though? can you name one close ally he has on the hill? >> no. look, i think -- i'll say this, i think nancy pelosi became their most trusted representative on the hill simply because she delivered. >> nancy is a fighter. >> and because she delivered. it was weird when they went in he had horrible -- they thought the senate was everything and they really didn't manage the house democrats very well and you know what nancy pelosi pushed back. look in hindsight that was a mistake. they should have pushed back on house democrats and senate democrats early on, and i think you set the tone early on. >> chuck, isn't it amazing -- i remember reading a story when ronald reagan was able to pass a bill through lobbying people, constantly stream of people coming over. >> he wasn't that close to members of congress but his staff was. >> somebody knocked over his
jelly beans and reagan got on his hands and knees, picked them up and put them back. bending over backwards to show that he didn't think he was above them. there's such a pervasive feeling -- forget republicans they will be against him. democrats on the hill, they are not on the same page. >> this is the irony of it. he deferred to them way too much. there's a good story that i tell at the beginning which is early on there was a spending bill before stimulus, health care, there was a spending bill. remember president obama campaigned i'm never going to sign anything with these earmarks in it. this thing was a mess. and they held it over. he was advised by all the old hands around him that said no, no don't pick a fight with david o bm obie. he signs it and lectures them i'm not going to do this again.
how you discipline your kids. who is the new sheriff in town. somehow david obie would stop health care? in hindsight that sent the wrong message. congressional democrats all they did, i think, was tie him down in a way -- >> that's right. >> just reading it, skimming it now two or three -- >> washington read. >> two or three stories that were in it, am i wrong to feel a sense of, a certain sense of sadness about this presidency in that it came, it arrived to us with such great joy and great feeling about it and to see what has happened to it and off of joe's observation about "the stranger" i'm thinking about former united states senator kent conrad who endorsed obama early drove him around iowa before the iowa caucuses and basically never heard from him
again once he was elected president of the united states. >> look, i think that's where his defenders will say you're holding him to too high of a standard. when he came on stage in 2004 he was the breath of fresh air. at that time we had 20 straight years of what, ten straight years of polarization between clinton and bush. now when he leaves office we're going to have 24 years of the most polarized climate we've had since before world war ii. and look his promise was what? that he was going to break this. now, look, i don't think he's had the presidency he wanted. he came in -- he didn't know he was going to have -- i'm not going sit here and say it's an absolute fair -- nobody does the presidency that they want. there's no doubt. but the biggest -- i almost wonder if he would be in a different place today if at a minimum he didn't have so many democrats that won with him in
2008. imagine if he had 52 department senators and always had to go fine eight from the very beginning, eight republicans. what do you think washington would look like today? >> bill clinton when he got pounded in 1994 he had a frame of reference. he can go back to arkansas having to deal with republicans and conservative democrats doing that from 1978 to 1982. barack obama never had that life experience. he has grown up, despite the fact that he's had this extraordinary geographic background, he's had a pretty insular existence politically. did not hang out with a bunch of people on the other side. >> which was his -- which was why the public gravitated to him, right? because he didn't have those, that scar tissue. >> yes. >> and i think that's where you get the disappointment. you had an opportunity that few politicians have. >> where do you go?
>> that's the argument from the left that i hear from his supporters and they make that point to me. i get it. >> it's hard. >> a fair point. >> not to be a disappointment when you literally are risen up as like literally -- i can't think of a higher name one i wouldn't use right now. just nowhere to go. the book is "the stranger." you can read an excerpt on our website. chuck todd, great book. is it out today. off and running. okay. "the stranger" on sale now. >> i have to learn how to sell books. chris matthews knows how to sell books. amazon. i'm with the publisher they are in a fight with. >> barnes and noble. >> one hand tied behind your back. >> up next still ahead the war may be winding down but the battles continue at home. why issues facing our returning
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first respond towers deploy emergency response teams very quickly and joining us now the ceo and co-founder of team rubicon retired marine jake wood and also joining us in washington, pulitzer prize winning journality david finkle, author of the book "thank you for your service." >> this is one of the greatest organizations. there's an earthquake in haiti you guys go. >> yes. so at the end of the day team rubicon recruits and organize and train veterans. at the end of the day what we're trying to do is provide veterans with a new mission and through that mission give them that sense of purpose and community they had when they were in the military. >> you do it with military precision. you read about something, see it on tv, you go, gather the troops and go. >> absolutely. we can bring in that same level
discipline and order that the military provides through its structure to disaster zones one of the most chaotic environments you can imagine. >> david, let's talk about your book, so highly regarded and now out in paper back "thank you for your service." why were you compelled to write this book. >> i woke up this morning thinking about a soldier i got to know quite well in 2007 when i spent a year with an infantry battalion during the surge. this is a great guy who one day made a decision to go down this road rather than that road. this road led into another exploding bomb. two of his guys died. and this great tough guy later in the day wrote a letter to his wife that said baby, i'm going to need a little help when i get home. and so here we are. these wars are about winding down, but the fact is that, look, more profound, the effects are enduring and there are a lot
of people, a lot of people who need a little help. and that's what this new book is about. just trying to bring to light some of these people and what day-to-day life is like. >> david, that's obviously the introduction to "thank you for your service," your book which is both depressing and incredibly real. last night in boston at a reception honoring wounded veterans and all veterans, actually, ryan pitts, medal of honor recipient stood up and indicated, spoke publicly about the psychological baggage that he carries to this day, will carry for the rest of his life. can we ever say enough or talk enough about what is out there and what goes unintended. >> there's plenty of people talking about it. the difficulty is getting information pay attention and one thing that folks inside the system who are trying to help
soldiers tell me again and again is that there is a window of public attention, and they can sense i want closing and once this happens and people who are paying attention to the effects of the war now through giving to various charities and organizations, once that attention goes, you know what are we left with. >> jake, what do we need to do? what do americans need to do for our heroes. >> i wrote an article last night that i put up and one of the things i recommended for the civilian population is pick up david's book which i read and is fantastic. i think that the public needs to not just thank veterans for their service they need to ask them about it. there's the rockwell painting of a marine sitting in his garage and talking to a couple of kids about world war ii. wars shared not just by the 2 1/2 million that were in iraq
and afghanistan but 300 million who sent them there. people asking tell me about it and getting over that sense of discomfort on what they might hear. it's important for veterans to feel the emotional and moral burden of combat is not just placed on their shoulders alone. >> jake, are your as a veteran leader encouraged by what you've seen early on from the new vasek bob mcdonald? >> i think that bob is bringing a level of excitement to the va. what people want to see is action. the plan he laid out yesterday has a lot of opportunity to change the va. the difficult part how do you execute. what we're looking for right now is less planning and public statements and more action. let's start seeing this plan put in at a tactical level. let's start seeing changes happen at the ground where the veterans are meeting va officials on a regular basis. nobody is meeting with bob mcdonald in washington, d.c.
people are meeting the reception at their local va in omaha, nebraska. >> all right. jake, thank you so much. we appreciate it. david thank you as well. still ahead jenna bush sits down with her father and grandfather. stay with us.
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test. much has been written about the presidency of george bush 41. the latest take comes from his own son who happened to be the 43rd president. jenna bush hager spoke exclusively with the former preside presidents. >> first and foremost, he was a great father. >> it is the part of a president's story best told by his son. >> he is a man who had enormous success in life but those successes are meager compared to the success of being a fabulous husband and great father. >> reporter: with a glimpse into the life of my grandfather, beyond the world stage and what the public knows of him. before he entered politics, he and my grandmother were busy
raising their kids. >> dad, growing up, what type of father was gampy. >> he set the boundaries. >> when you were raising your kids, what type of life did you want for them? >> i wanted all the best. i wanted them to feel there was no horizons, reach for the stars and accomplish stuff and sure enough, they have. >> reporter: history will tell that story. my father had a front row seat working throughout my grandfather's campaigns. >> so help me god. >> reporter: he says now the hardest part of politics is watching the spotlight shine harshly on those you love. >> dad, when you watch as he was a president and you would turn on the television to hear critics talk about him -- >> yeah.
it made me angry. and i wasn't disciplined enough not to watch television. when i became president i was disciplined enough to ignore all the noise. but when he was president and people criticized him, i didn't like it. actually, it helped thicken my hide for when i became president because criticism of my dad was a heck of a lot more difficult for me to handle than criticism of me. >> what about you, though, ga gamps? when you were -- >> the same thing. i did not like it. i knew it goes with the territory. when it's your own son, it's hard to take. >> dad, in 1992, when gampy lost -- >> yeah. it was an unhappy moment. it took an extraordinary series of events to defeat him. we all felt off of his graciousness in defeat. >> it is a lesson in grace and fortitude.
>> it didn't work out quite the way we wanted. >> my grandfather has never been bitter or resentful and years later, an unlikely friendship developed. >> bill clinton views dad as a father figure which is a great irony and great irony of life. >> gam py and bill clinton have become -- >> a good friends. >> reporter: and some people would be surprised by that. >> he's a good friend. i like him. >> reporter: throughout it all, my grandfather has always put family first. he's been there throughout the most important moments and the frivolous times, too. >> you remember the time you were preparing for the 1998 debate debates with dukakis and barbara couldn't find the dog and so rather than be quiet little girl and go to your room, leads a
search for spiky, the stuffed dog. >> reporter: it was pretty remarkable as you were debating the night before, anyway. where were you? out to dinner? >> i was preparing for the debate. i don't know where i was. thank goodness they found spiky. >> reporter: during all the years on the campaign trail he was simply gampy to us. >> i don't know if you remember in 1994, in texas, jenna came to the stage and kept lifting up her skirt in front of the child and drew attention to herself. >> i was 4. >> you did put on quite a show and dad was very talent. >> reporter: you were a great grandfather, you are a great-grandfathe great-grandfather. >> you're so sweet. >> reporter: my grandfather considers serving his country his greatest privilege and his family is ultimate gift. now a loving tribute to my
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good morning. it is tuesday november 11th, veterans day. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have mike
barnicle and msnbc political analyst and visit iing professo democratic congressman, harry ford junior, along with joe and willie. we will get to the arctic outbreak early. it came early this year. the question is how long will this last? more than 100 schools in minnesota closed and dropped up to more than a foot of snow. there are frigid temperatures moving down from canada. when it's all said and done, more than 200 million people will be feeling the freeze. bill is tracking it. >> we're talking st. cloud, minnesota. they had the most snow they've seen in any given day in 49 years. that was the first snow of the season and some areas did get nailed by the snow. we have a little bit of snow left in wisconsin. in the des moines area, we have snow for you and green bay and
milwaukee, the snow is on the way. it makes its way to chicago and st. louis and indianapolis today. if i had to guess what month it is based on this map i would say december or january. even aim real even aim morillo, texas has a windchill of 5. and you have two more days of warmth before the temperature makes its way across the country. by the time we get to thursday, the cold makes its way to the east coast. boston and d.c. looks like thursday afternoon is when the cold makes it here and not as bad as the central plains. remember last year, remember, northern plains and great lakes had a miserable winter and snow is on the ground and no sign of
warmth on the way, we're in store for a very long november. >> thank you, bill karins. >> reporter: you're welcomes. >> there is a new threat for the isis militants as the reach of the terror group extends to egypt. they are pledging a loyalty to the islamic state and fighters have killed scores of egyptian troops and may have in for pants inside the military. it's another example of dimin h diminishing democratic hopes following the arab spring. and nbc news shows isis has plans to join force with pakistan to wage war on the government. >> the spiralling violence can be traced back to iraq and syria and the heart of the insurgency. richard engel entered kobani,
one of the first journalists to see the fighting firsthand and here is his report. >> reporter: for two months, kobani has been fighting for its life, surrounded with wave after wave of isis attacks. we managed to get inside and found a city devastated but refused to surrender. these fighters are outmanned, men and women, and outnumbered. this 44-year-old is a top field commander. her name means strength. now we run she says. and sheets shield us from enemy snipers. you run low and fast. she's saying when they come, isis fighters come in waves, not just one or two, but 40, 50 fighters will try and swarm into the building. >> reporter: to keep them back, the kurds of kobanis have mostly
light weapons. half have been hurt. if i take two steps that way there's a danger of being hit by a sniper. these are men and women on the ground facing an enemy known for its savagery and every man and woman carries a weapon as a last resort. they'll commit suicide rather than be captured by isis. >> richard engel reporting. >> now, with the news really bad it focuses in egypt and pakistan the two most important countries in the world, certainly the muslim world. the united states, whether they like it or not, are going to
have to get involved. and stop the spread of this. >> i think we will see a renewed focus on these foreign entanglements. everyone was involved in the midterm midterms and now they open the paper, how is this going? are we doing enough or too little? should we even be there? i think this debate heats up because despite our best efforts more problems are occurring from this region. >> the president loves to lead from behind. you can't lead from behind on this anymore. you have retired admirals talking about what they're seeing is insufficient. you're hearing commanders complaining about it. the president likes to go halfway in, a little bit at a time sort of back into things. it's just not going to work here. >> i agree. >> i don't think it will work here. >> when you combine it with you have a new armed service providers chairman in the form
of john mccain and lindsey graham, their voices empowered to willie's point. if you said eight months ago, mr. president you'd be on the verge of perhaps deploying several thousand troops to a region in which you promised to end conflict, he'd probably end that laughable and probably called for a measured approach now and more balanced approach, you can't pull all the way out. the president will be prodded in ways by this new republican senate things he probably is not inclined to do but will be forced to do. >> i keep wondering if it won't show in history george w. bush went too far, too excessive, too prepared to use force and barack obama overcorrected and we're paying a terrible price for it now. if he does not change, if he does not do what every other president does, what bill clinton did, what f.d.r. did, what ronald reagan did, george w. bush did, and learn from his
past mistakes. if he stays isolated in a bubble, there will be a tremendous price for america to pay. i'm not saying to go invade the middle east. i'm saying to get out of your defensive crouch and get out of your bubble and figure out what's going on here and start connecting the dots. it's frightening as hell. if i had met one ambassador across the world, if i met one world leader across the world that wasn't scared as hell how the united states is responding to this threat i wouldn't be speaking this way because i always assume the president and the president's advisers know a hell of a lot more about stuff than those of us that don't get the intel reports. i am hearing this from around the globe. this is really really bad. america's response is scaring the hell out of the world. >> you mention the history's assessment. the headline of history's
assessment will be that george w. bush broke the middle east by invading iraq. that's where we're at. today, where we're at, you have to feel some sense of sympathy for this president of the united states, clearly the underpinning of what's happening here is the complete inability of the iraqi army to defend their own country, anbar province is gone, it is gone. we are no doubt over the next several months going to have to introduce more troops on the ground. >> and impossible concept. >> yes, george w. bush broke the middle east. also, david petraeus, american troops, a lot of people in george w. bush got drubbed in 2006, in his second midterm. they self-corrected and they won anbar province back. >> they did, joe. >> and that required george w. bush to do what p-- off a lot o
generals in the pentagon and david pet trayious and bob woodward documented this and do things -- he had to get out of his comfort zone. it's just not enough to say george w. bush broke it, gee, that gives barack obama a free pass. i'm not saying you are saying that, some of his supporters are saying that. >> the surge under george bush and general pietretraeus worked. it wasn't a victory. >> it staved off defeat. >> it held back the forces that are now -- >> we held anbar province and at some point barack obama and his people have to admit they really screwed up getting the force out as fast as possible. he was just as ideological getting out as george w. bush is getting in. >> they should have said we're
in an endless situation and we need to be endlessly engaged. >> they should have negotiated much stronger with the iraqis to maintain a true presence. >> one element to point out on veterans day, 1500 advisors, u.s. troops going into iraq, a political decision in washington, when talked about on these shows, that's 1500 families who will go through this again and worry whether their husband or daughter or wife is going to come back aliv alive. >> can i ask, harold, why is it, i don't want american troops to go back to war, you have to make uncomfortable decisions. if you don't want american troops to go back to war, you have to do what has to be done to have the courage to take care of their own area. that means upsetting turkey and other people in the region. you know what, we don't have a lot of options. arm the kurds. they will fight for their land. if we arm them to the teeth and give them all the support that
they need, our men and women don't have to die for somebody else's property. they will fight and die, as we saw on the richard engel -- for their own property. but we don't make decisive decisions, we sit back and let the waves continue to batter us. >> one of the things the democrats were highly critical of president bush about and vice president cheney they were not clear and forceful asserting what interests we had at stake in the region. when it became clear there were not weapons of mass destruction they never backtracked from that. this president has not made clear what kind of timetable there is and what is needed to achieve those goals. i think whatever course of action we're taking, to make clear to the country and what we're doing. we talked about the powell doctrine before, apply that theology and thinking and conceptual thinking to how and what we're doing there and explain to the american people what we're doing.
>> the answer is not invading the middle east, let me be clear. not sending troops to the middle least. >> there is lack of clarity. >> being aggressive and telling turkey, tough luck. >> before you explain it to the american people, you have to explain it to presidenter eredof turkey, you will not block them. they're coming into syria. >> you played footsies with the terrorists for your own reasons. fine, you will have the kurds on your southern border. we're not sending our men and women to fight and die because you're letting terrorists use istanbul and use your terrorist highway as a way to get to isis. it's insanity. you know what, we will have to make turkey pay. either they pay or our sons and daughters die over there. >> so one of the issues that will be debated in 2016, running up to the 2016 election.
right now, two people generating some of the most interest for 2016 are the two people who said they're not running unlike hillary clinton and rand paul are clearly laying the framework for presidential campaigns, mitt romney and elizabeth warren continually push back on white house speculation. that doesn't mean they're not feeling the gravitational poll, that's for sure. the "washington post" reports mitt romney called dozens of candidates cementing relationship relationships after the election. and associates of the former governor says if jeb bush doesn't run, romney would consider jumping in again. a former top campaign staffer for president obama has signed up for the group ready for warren already building a base in iowa and new hampshire. >> what do you think of that,
mika? >> i don't think it's a big deal but it seems to be push youed o there, don't you think it is? >> aren't you hearing a lot of democrats are saying they used to think hillary was inevitable and 2014 has shown hillary is not inevitable. people won't look into the camera and say that as far as democrats. we all hear it from all our democratic friends in washington d.c., they don't think she's inevitable anymore. >> i think 2014, the outcome in a lot of ways makes her a stronger candidate largely because she is the perception, mika, you raised it before what she has said. >> you're talking about elizabeth warren or hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton. mika made the point, what is it she stands for. a lot of people say she stands for this clinton model and engine how you approach big big issues. she will benefit from that and
she has to articulate it. she will benefit because president obama was on the sidelines. she has to articulate a message. if she's clumsy like she was out on the book and some things she has said on behalf of elizabeth warren. i don't think the bubble has been burst, there is a desire to hear her. if she does not say much she will have a problem. there is a desire for her to speak up and be a leader in the party in some voiced. >> imagine if you're elizabeth warren, sitting there, you're a smart person. >> no doubt. >> you know -- you know you own 100% own the biggest issue in 2016. you own take home pay, you own the paycheck workers in this country, republican and democrat take home. you own that issue. >> mike, if you and i were advising her and i'm not, we'd have to be advising her to run.
what does she lose if she puts her name out there, if indeed mrs. clinton emerges as the strongest candidate and says we want the democrats party to go back to its lose. >> what does elizabeth warren have to lose if she runs for president? >> two things in terms of hillary clinton, there's a lot of room for her to be lame. if you go to a room of 500 people or done a book event, we've done a few, you ask the room, are you ready for hillary, the entire room raises their hand, they just do it, it's like automatic. >> until it's not. >> these antidotal experiences we've had over the years have reflected even with mitt romney the lack of excitement you now see. >> it's bizarre. we went around for four years, go on college campuses and all over and mika always asks people who are you excited about. for four years nobody raised their hand about mitt romney from 2009 to 2012.
now -- >> yeah -- >> they're talking about romney, which is bizarre. wait a second. when we knew he was running, you're not interested and now we go there and mika goes some of the people are interested in mitt romney. we're stunned how many people raised their hands. >> putin helped. coming up, john mccain joins the table and mark fields the new ceo of ford motor company what it's like to take over one of america's most iconic brands. first, a woman brought back to life for not having a pulse for 45 minutes. no wonder doctors are calling it a miracle. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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mr. and mrs. mon dsour, america owes you a debt that can never be repaid. we will always treasure what your son did. may god comfort you, may god bless america. come on up. >> an emotional president bush in 2008 awarding the medal of honor to petty officer second
class michael monsour, who threw himself on a grenade to save the lives of other soldiers in iraq. and the subject of senator mccain's new book, "13 soldiers at war." >> senator, this looks fantastic. first of all, we have the new secretary of the v.a. are you hopeful? >> i'm hopeful and a little bit disappointed so far. somewhat disappointed. it all started with the phoenix v.a., 50 people dying. the three people who were in charge, they're still on quote administrative leave, still receiving full pay. >> he's talking about possibly firing 1,000 people. >> i hope that's the case and now will move forward. he certainly is well credentialed. i certainly supported his
nomination. maybe we're a little too impatient. >> there has to be accountability. >> such a massive undertaking. >> there has to be accountability. >> it makes us a little impatient, given all the terrible things that happened, as you know. >> right. >> talking about -- i can't think of a more shameful chapter in america than letting our veterans die. >> yes. >> i am going to work with him. i want to do everything i can to help. so far the word is impatient. >> next issue, something we were talking about this morning and i got a little worked up about. as you know, i'm not a big fan of sending american soldiers overseas, american marines, troops, but we have to do what we have to do. at the same time, why do we have to worry about what turkey thinks when it comes to arming the kurds. if turkey is going to be a conduit for terrorists, why
don't we arm the kurds to the teeth and why don't we train them and why don't we say, listen, nobody else is a responsible player here, you want kurdistan, take kurdistan, but here's the deal, we expect you to cut isis in half. why can't we do that? >> i don't know the answer to that because we should. this erdowan has been a real disappointment. >> why is that? >> he's terrible. >> a strong islamist and stifling dictator. >> for people who don't know the history of turkey, it goes against a century. there was a separation. >> there are more media people in prison in turkey than in iran. he's really a -- this new palace they built, did you see the
picture of that? >> a thousand rooms. did you see that, mike? >> almost as good as the united states senate. >> we should be shipping weapons directly to kurdistan, bypassing baghdad rather than having it go through the government in baghdad, which is still disfunctional. we should be developing a strategy. does anybody know the strategy? >> no. >> it is to degrade and defeat isis. i think the american people need to know what that strategy is. >> for the american people that say this is out of control, we go back and forth a long time. 2006, would have been 2007 state of the union say, joe, be patient, this petraeus guy, i know we were walking over to the senate, i know it's bad and looks hopeless, this petraeus guy will turn things around in
anbar province. i was thinking you had a few drinks before the state of the union. nobody saw it coming. it was just as bleak then after the bombing of the golden mosque as it is now. why can't we have a strategy for the north and strategy for anbar province? are you going to push for this as chairman of the arms services committee? >> absolutely. >> even if we disagree we need a strategy. >> you can't have a strategy that applies for iraq and one strategy for iraq and one strategy for syria. do you think isis respects the boundaries between syria and iraq? one reason we're not doing more in syria because we want to develop some kind of unholy alliance with iran? it's just -- while we're attacking isis in syria, bashar assad is bombing the free syrian army we're telling we're going to train in saudi arabia. that's immoral, not just unworkable, immoral. >> there is no policy. you hear that not just from
republicans and you and lindsey and kelly. you hear that from democrats, people inside the administration. it's a growing frustration. >> can i say this real quick. >> then we have to sell some books for you. >> i want to work with the president and the administration. the challenges are too big. i have been a harsh critic and i will admit that, just as i was a harsh critic of george w. bush when we were failing there. now, it's time for us to sit down and develop a strategy and work together in a bipartisan fashion. first is the request for $5.6 billion the president is going to make to pursue the isis strategy. the american people do deserve to know what the strategy is. >> and congress to debate it. >> exactly. >> six hours. six hours on one of the most existential threats to the middle east and all our allies. i know you agree with me. let's sell some of these books -- >> deserves to be sold.
there are some truly compelling stories in senator mccain's latest book. i want to focus on one we were talking about earlier i just read the chapter on. monica lynn brown. tell us about her. >> she is a medic highly trained. in the civil war i believe it was 20% of those wounded survived. now, 90% of those wounded survived mainly because of the capabilities of the first ones there to treat the wounded. monica was the classic example of that. she was highly trained, skilled, had on her the necessary things like dressing and all kinds of capabilities to stop bleeding and things like that. she was in a convoy, ied, went off and people were killed and wounded and she ran right into the fight. she treated, she saved lives, she was awarded obviously recognized for that achievement.
that should dispense, i believe, with any debate about whether women should be in combat. >> right. absolutely. >> really? why should we debate that anymore? if any woman has passed the physical exam, then they should be in combat if that is their desire to do so, in my view. i know old generals and admirals right now are having heart attacks all over america, but i do believe we have reached a point, and she is the classic example of what women can do in combat. the israelis use women very much in their military including some work women are better at than men and that is surveillance of their border. >> as do the kurds in combat. we saw that this morning. >> rich engel clip, i saw this morning. >> this is 13 individuals and 13- -- >> 13 major contracts.
>> do you have a favorite? >> i think pete salter, mark salter wrote it with me in the winnie bay go, the chinese surrou surrounded them, at night, he was wounded. he asked pete salter to tie him to a tree so he could stop the enemy, the chinese from wiping out the whole unit, and the last thing pete salter heard when he was headed down the hill to safety was the sound of mitch l mitchell's automatic weapon terribly wounded tied to a tree holding off the chinese as they escaped. the beginning of the korean war most people forget was a debacle. they drove us down to a small area- >> yeah, corner. >> reservoir, a very very close deal and pete salter fought all the way through it. and another favorite, leo, a pal
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this. >> hey, mark, brian sullivan from cnbc. i know you talked to our colleague earlier today. why mess with the best selling vehicle in america? >> well, because we believe you set the standards through innovation and that's how you maintain leadership. we could have taken the soft road and say, let's maybe improve the vehicle marginally. as a leader we know we have responsibilities to our customers, so we asked them what they wanted. they wanted increased capability, they wanted really good fuel economy. we said we will go and deliver it for them. i think that's what leaders do. >> mark, what does the lighter body do for mileage, you just ref reynolerenced it, the old f two years ago, what about mileage comparatively speaking? >> this new f-150 is our most fuel efficient f-150 ever.
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i'm actually not going to say who that was. >> i three weeks ago. >> thanks for inviting. greta right now. >> could it really be just a coincidence. just hours after president obama's top military advisor said he was keeping the ground open to send ground troops to fight isis. the chilling. a movie like video threatening to kill american ground forces if president obama deploys him. and senator kelly ayotte joins us. good evening, senator. >> good evening, greta. >> senator, this video is absolutely chilling. just released. you have seen it? >> i have seen portions of it and it's totally disturbing. what it shows is that if you wonder if they are coming after us or if they're a threat to us, i think it's very clear from this video. >> the video was very personal about the united states. even had the pictures of -- when president bush was president and he had the
mission accomplished. showed the pictures of president obama as well in the white house. made it very clear that they are paying attention to what's going on here. what struck me also like a hollywood movie trailer is the way it's being described. >> i think it shows their sophistication with media this video shows that very well. also, understanding what we are dealing with the amount of money that is being brought in by this organization every day. at least a million dollars if not more. and then the amount of territory that they control. i think it really brings home the kind of threat that we are facing. >> what could possibly be their motive though. this is what i don't understand. the president said no boots on the ground. he made that plain. that was after general dempsey testifying before the committee that you are on said something that left the door open. what could possibly be the motive for doing this slick video except for it to be basically obnoxious on top of their evil? >> well, they are clearly obnoxious, greta. i think we can't have any allusions. this is a group that hates what we stand for. we have seen this before with al qaeda.
and so i think that there, again, making very clear that the united states of america is an enemy of isis. and so they are making clear not only with their actions that they have done and the horrific beheadings that they have unfortunately carried out on americans, but this video is just, again, showing that they believe that we are their enemy and so i think in order to defeat them, i just want to highlight yesterday, here we have, again, the president ruling out what his top military leader has said is something that should not be ruled out. it's a consistent pattern where he actually isn't listening fully to his military commanders. >> and let me just say one last thing about the video. i mean, we are not showing the video because we are not in the business of showing isis propaganda. but we may show some still shots to illustrate what it is. all right. let me go to that question of boots on the ground. president obama says no boots on the ground. senator kerry saysr>[
working with iraq forces and the kurds on the ground is that the reason is he not ruling it out is because as general odierno has said we do have to root them out. the air strikes alone are not effective to defeat them. if the question is how effective are these iraqi forces on the ground? we hear six months to train 5,000 and done in saudi arabia. maybe. how realistic if we can't get them up to speed to fight anyway if they even have the wherewithal to
fight. isis meanwhile is growing at leaps and bounds. >> exactly. i mean you now know the estimate is over 31,000 members for isis. this is an army. this isn't just a group we're dealing with anymore. and so it is going to take an army to defeat an army. >> senator, nice to see you. thank you. >> goods to see you, greta. now to extremely disturbing evidence of isis support right here in the u.s. a rochester, new york man indicted on charges of frying to provide material support to isis and trying to murder u.s. soldiers. fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us. what's going on? >> greta, if you look at the court documents, and i'm sure you have what you see is that this rochester man is accused of being part of this pipeline from the united states, getting citizens from the heartland to isis, specifically in iraq and syria. but here is what has my attention much the allegation is that a man trying to move fighters not only to isis but also to yemen and also somalia.
that tells you two things. that this operates very much like a criminal as i understand cat. money is a big on top of the religious ideology. there is also a fair amount of coordination between these terrorist groups. remember, al qaeda. its principle operator is in yemen. somalia, we have had that trail to minneapolis. and now we are seeing from upstate new york a pipeline to syria and iraq. >> how long has he he been doing this? what's his background? is he american-born? >> he is not american-born. he was born oversead. he is a naturalized u.s. citizen. what i have seen is really in the last five to six years when we have seen a spike in these cases, i would say about 30% tend to be naturalized citizens. >> all right. also paraphernalia from isis where? >> this was brought by group memory. research research institute, and they found these articles, you know, caps,
hats, visors, i mean, key chains. this is the kind of thing. >> they are selling trinkets. >> they are selling trinkets. the kind of thing you would associate with a sports team. to me what has my attention is that that is be part of a club. be part of something bigger than yourself. these were being sold predominantly on facebook pages whose owners were in france and indonesia. not specifically the united states. this shows you how the isis message is permeating. >> they are trying to mainstream it in america almost kids wear hats and t-shirts absolutely terrible we are seeing that thank you. >> you are welcome. >> president obama speaking to the headquarters of the u.s. central demand in florida. speaking with u.s. service members behind him. was the speech effective or a photo op.? >> do you send those men and those women into harm's way without a clear cut strategy? >> the enemy took two american journalists and beheaded them on video the
american public has actually taken the lead and is leading the commander and chief into this. >> i don't believe the objective is destroy. i think the objective has morphed into something less than that. >> either we are at war with these people and we are going to crush them or this is a counter terrorism program like new york city where we will stay there for years and years picking out the good guys and bad guys and not offending anyone. former navy seal karl higby joins us. nice to he see you sir. >> nice to he see you, greta. >> photo op. or something in between. >> complete photo op. this is indicative of a global failure of his foreign policy. he has toted that he is behind the troops before. and he stands in front of these guys, gets a photo op. and everything like that while saying i'm going to send 3,000 of you guys to combat ebola but not to actual threat to america. >> mixed bag? >> i would say most of the troops probably over 90% do not support the president. >> as a navy seal you have
trained foreign troops, right? >> yes. more than one trip to iraq. >> we did that two doe pliments one in 2007 and one in 2009. national defense over there it's not effective they don't have the accountability and understanding and fortitude to fight an enemy like isis who is dedicated. they are willing to die for this cause. >> meaning isis is willing to die for this cause? >> absolutely. >> what about the foreign fighters that you have come in contact with in the universe of people we would be training. >> we train the best of the best. the best of iraq had the best to train with us. i don't think they are confident enough to take on a group like isis? what would it take? is there any way to get them up to speed? hear numbers six months to train a thousand. >> you can't put time on it we train these guys for years on end. different teams rolling through, training training training. and nothing was happening. they weren't -- they still were not an effective fighting force. >> but why? >> it's going to take a massive message. i would say to these people, especially to the president
say, look, you had chopped two americans' heads off, i'm going to get you. that's what it is going to take, massive bombs. surge of troops unfortunately and send the message home. they need to be in fear of us. >> it's easy for me to sort of -- i saw the james foley video. i mean, it's easy for me to want to send boots on the ground because, you know, so enaged by what isis did to an american. i am not the one that's going to be going. i mean realistically, one of those people actually going to go what do they think? >> i'm curious, you know, would you go again? >> yes. for the most part, our troops will go over there. they want to fight this fight. they join the military to fight a war. to combat the problem. to combat something that's threatening our homeland. and these troops will go over there and they will fight with all their heart. we are the most lethal fighting force the world has ever known and history has ever known. let us go over there and take away the rules of engagement. battle on the home front. fight the battle and take our handcuffs off. >> thank you for your
service. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> today president obama and secretary of state john kerry both just said it again. >> as your commander and chief i will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in iraq. >> the president will not put american ground troops into iraq. the president made it clear again today at a statement he maids at centcom that america can make a decisive -- i'm quoting the president. we can make a decisive difference, i want to be clear the troops that have been district attorney employed cannot and will not have a come pat mission. >> that's one day after the chairman of joint chiefs of staff jeremiah dempsey said this. >> my view at this point is that this coalition is the pront way forward. i believe that will prove true. if it fails to be true and if there are threats to the united states then i, of course, would go back to the president and make a recommendation that may include the u.s. of military
ground forces. >> why do president obama and secretary kerry feel the need to keep insisting there will knob boots on the ground in iraq and syria? joining us our political panel. they keep saying it maybe weg i. >> unpopular. 61% of people in a presidential done by cnn recently said they oppose moving ground forces into the area by isis. these politicians november is approaching. no one wants to say this is something that we should do. i think that there is a lot of confusion around what needs to be done by both members of congress and by the administration. and the best way to actually approach this by one thing that is for sure is that people do not support this at this time. >> mary, sort of interesting, but people support getting isis. i mean isis is evil and, you know, the american people are absolutely appalled what happened there. of course we should also be talking about boko haram in africa but that's another story. why do he they keep saying no boots on the ground? >> the only way to
understand this president's comments is in the context of responding to the panic on the political left that he we are sliding down a slippery slope toward war. so the president felt the need to come out today and reiterate again no boots on the ground. no ground war. well, greta, that's a straw man. no one is talking about the kind of military commitment that george w. bush put into iraq. >> i think. >> less than a decade ago. >> i think some people are old enough to remember the vietnam war. we started off with just a few and then we got a few more. suddenly like 500,000. >> it's bad strategically. it's just stupid to tell your enemy what you won't do. it's also terrible politically. because what you heard, general martin dempsey say is there may be a point in the future where we need to have ground troops on the ground. so when -- to win this war. the president may risk democratic support if it does turn out that he needs to have troops on the growntd. >> i agree with everything that's been said. partly playing to the polls. partly play cacketting the left. it's also partly deeply psychological and philosophical.
this is a president who prides himself almost above anything else besides obamacare on ending the war, quote, unquote. in iraq. so the last thing he wants to do is go back in. we're already bombing, but go back in on the ground. and that's a profound strategic mistake. because i think to make it work, it's very likely you are going to have to have some ground element. so you have him supposedly willing the end of destroying isis. but not willing. >> general odierno says he thinks there has to be boots on the ground in order to beat isis. he didn't say american boots on the ground and i guess that's back to the whole idea of training others. of course you heard the former navy seal was just here that says the training other forces is very difficult. >> absolutely true. going to take ground forces. these are motley forces on the ground. iraqi army. the kurdish. sunni tribes may be the very most important piece of it americans veghts them. advising them, and working very closely with them near the front lines. >> philip, do you know anybody who says and in our
leadership, american leadership that says these air strikes alone will get rid of isis? >> i don't. have you stumped me. i don't know anybody said that. >> neither die by the way. secretary of state was on the sunday shows this week. he said we need ground forces. everyone agrees there needs to be ground forces but not american one. >> then you have the problem which ground force we all agree ground force not to. destroy isis. two deployments trying to actually train them. he says that's going to be difficult. i don't get where we are going on this. >> larger problem is that the president's foreign policy of leading from behind has failed. and the character of this president cimed of commitment and sacrifice it's going to take to keep
the country safe. >> if we didn't do air strikes, would this be self-contained and not our problem? >> we are willing to take that risk. this is a dangerous group that has now massive resources and controls a vast swath of territory. my hats off to general dempsey because he really fulfilled his obligation, which is not just to give the president unvarnished advice but to tell the truth to congress. he gave completely uncontroversial honest answer, which is if this current strategy doesn't work, we have to consider the next thing and the push back you have had from president obama on down against that is really extraordinary. >> panel, thank you. >> thank you. >> you are welcome. >> now to capitol hill. benghazi select committee holding first public hearing. trey gowdy is here to go "on the record." let's go inside today's critical hearing. >> now is the time, clear the smoke. remove the mirrors. >> rpg attacks. assassination attempts on the british ambassador. this is as bad as it gets. they say we need more good guys here and the state department says you are not going to get that we'll
reduce what you had. >> ignoring the ambassador, who, by their own admission, is the expert in the area, that's not giving unusual deference to his judgment is it, mr. secretary? >> difficult question, mr. congressman. >> no, it's very straightforward. >> we know the risk in benghazi. what policy were we pursuing in libya was so great it overcame all of the risks? >> not being here at the time, sir, i cannot answer that question for you. i do believe that many of us understood if we lost half of libya, that if we lost the confidence of the people after the revolution in libya, that he we were going to pay a terrible price. >> committee chair trey gowdy joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, how are you. >> i want to tell you i did some research today and i thought you should know that the "the washington post" is describing you today as saying he played it straight. i guess that can't get any better than that, can it. >> well, if that's your goal and that was our goal was to play it straight and to prove to our fellow citizens
that some things can rise above the den of politics. so i appreciate anyone who reached that conclusion. that was our objective. >> what did you learn today? >> there is bipartisan frustration with this cycle. we have blue ribbon commission that makes recommendations, and yet the attacks come. one of the most important parts of the hearing today, i thought, was going back 25 years to the beirut barracks bombing. almost identical. that bombing, east africa bombings in 1998 and here we are in benghazi. the state department won't change. >> tell me if this is correct from the hearing today. according to the arb the review board the state department, they said that ambassador stevens was an expert of some sort in security. was that right? did they say that? >> well, they said he was an expert with respect to libyan policy. >> okay. and that he had asked numerous times for more security. he had done that?
>> yes, ma'am. >> all right. unquestionably when he asked, was anything done? >> well, no only thing that was done is we reduced our security footprint. that was a line of questioning that you showed a clip of from illinois which is you talk about how wonderful the ambassador was, and he was that wonderful. but yet when he asked on a seminole point of providing more security in benghazi, you turned him down, in fact, you have reduced our security footprint. this should outrage all americans irrespective of your political ideation which is why i think mr. cummings at the end said you know what? we need another hearing on essentially this very same topic. and i was very hardened to hear him say that. >> he also i should say that you don't see this very often. pointing out ranking member elijah cummings had great pays first topic of the first hearing. this was proposed by a democratic member of your committee? >> yes, ma'am. adam schiff from california. former federal prosecutor. i really -- i don't mean to
appear naive, greta, i really do think when you are talking about the murder of four of our fellow americans that we sent into harm's way to represent us, surely to goodness we can turn down the politics for just a little while and find out what happened and why and make sure it never happens again. so, sure, if a democrat gives me a good idea, absolutely. we are going to have a hearing on it. >> dana milbank of the "the washington post" said you played it straight. today was looking at a little bit backwards. will there be hearings in the future that will look at exactly what happened that night as well as how the obama administration cover, you know, how they handled sort of the dissemination of information or transparency or whatever you want to call the investigation post 9/11? , 12? >> yes, ma'am, to all of the above. we are going to answer all of the questions that are outstanding with respect to the before, during and after benghazi. we are also going to make recommendations on how to make sure it doesn't happen again. but as i said today, greta, i am willing to risk, asking
the same question twice. i am not willing to risk not answering it once. and even though other folks have looked at benghazi. there are still unanswered questions. i owe it to the family members of the four who were slain and i owe it to my fellow citizens to ask all the questions about benghazi. >> all right. can i ask you one quick question? do you still have the report about former state department employee maxwell who says that documents were tossed out before they hand over to the arb? i mean that it looked a little dirty. do you believe maxwell? >> well, jason chaffetz and i met with mr. maxwell and you are a much better lawyer than either me or mr. chaffetz. what you would do is what i'm going to do, greta. that is to give mr. maxwell an opportunity to say what he perceived to happen. is he going to have to give us the names of the other people involved. we are going to give them an opportunity to say whether or not they have a different perspective. it's going to be an investigation and if there is a dispute as to what happened, we'll let your audience decide who has more
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jersey. a 19-year-old college student tests his mother he is on his way home and he never makes it investigators first describing the crime as random. possibly a robbery. now the question was it islamic extremism? you are about to hear from the teen's grief stricken parents only right here "on the record." first the investigation into the murder of brendan tevlin. >> brendan tevlin was hanging out with some friends. texted his mother saying weighs on his way home, never made it brendan tevlin was shot to death in his car. >> a suspect accused of murdering a 19-year-old said he did it as retribution for innocent lives lost in iraq, syria and the rest of the islamic world. >> court documents show that the killer brown was motivated by holy jihad. >> now alisyn and michael heavy lynn speaking to only "on the record" about the terrible night their son was viciously murdered. >> i was up. i wasn't panicked.
he was, you know, just a kid who would always do the right thing. >> very responsible. >> so and i wasn't panicking because i thought maybe on his way home he went to his buddy's anthony, who lives catty corner to us. and sometimes he stops there and they hang on his deck. but then, you know, it got later and later. and then i just -- never thought, not in this area that something so horrific could have happened. i really was hoping that maybe he went to his friend's anthony's and time got away from him or fell asleep, which would have been the first time ever. he is just not that irresponsible. but still waited. >> were you up waiting as well? >> i was actually away. i was in maryland with my youngest son brian tayla cross showcase. and he was actually in the dormitory. i got the phone call around
4:30, 5:00. >> from? >> from alisyn. you know, that the police department the prosecutor's department came up and visited her. i never managed how she felt, you know, i wasn't there. and it was tough. >> so, that's the first. so someone came to your door? >> my bell rang and my daughter had been up. and my younger 13-year-old doorbell rings at 4:00 in the morning. everybody hears it. and then i just -- i could actually see the heads threw the wooden door, the glass as i was come down the steps and i just thought bill would never have thought what they told me. you know. >> an accident. >> an accident. maybe he is in the hospital.
maybe something -- yeah. just -- >> did they tell you that the cold, horrible ugly truth? or did they try to at least be gentle about it? >> >> they were very nice. i knew one -- the one police officer. i have known him for years. and one of the other guys has known michael for years. and i just could see on his face when i think i grabbed him and said, oh, no. no. not brendan. and he said yeah. brendan. and he was murdered. murdered? in new jersey? i guess -- and then kind of turns into a big blur because they were on their mission to find out what was going on. >> that's no news a parent should have to give another parent, is it?
>> i was sound asleep. i thought it was a bad dream. i had to wake up, put my head under water and call you back. i have got to call you back. what do you mean brendan is dead? you know, as a father, you know, what she was going through, i just -- i wasn't there. so -- it was tough. that trip glom three hour trip home was not easy. but, you know, driving home, just made sure we got home safe brian. i didn't tell -- i had to take him out of the dormitory at 5:00 in the morning, 6:00 in the morning. he is like dad what's going on? i said something happened to brendan. dad, what happened? what happened? it was an accident? you know, i couldn't tell him what actually happened because it would have been a really tough ride home. and he wasn't happy i didn't tell him but i'm thankful i didn't because, you know, he ended up going to sleep and was able -- time for me to
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this as revenge for what is going on in iraq and syria and afghanistan. in our opinion he is he a murderer appeared in this case i don't think he acted alone and whether down the road the law enforcement comes to the conclusion that he is involved involved with something bigger proclaiming this for some other reason is up for -- i figure the truth will come out for the three. >> >> stillworking hard on it to find find the whole truth to this. >> does it make a difference? i know that to everyone else this is domestic terrorism big difference to the community? does it make a difference? any impact on either one of you in any way or not? >> i don't think it makes that much of a difference at this time.
i think he murdered brendan and he murdered several others and he is an american. he did what he did. like i said, he didn't act alone. so i don't know if i have all the information or enough information to make that kind of judgment really not for us to make that judgment. >> do i think he was there to kill somebody? yes. without a doubt. he definitely that night was looking to kill can somebody. you know. he changed his clothes. put the if a fatigues on. he was there to do what he did, what he accomplished. in some ways i think, you know, why was it brendan? you know, if it wasn't brendan, it was going to be
somebody else. in some ways brendan saved somebody's life because somebody was dying that night and i believe that. >> we all come to this very differently. you know i have the most pain. you are the family. hard not to feel the pain from the outside. i think everybody does. and the thing that is so hard the cruelty of it, just a kid driving a car down the street 19 years old. you know. that's what's really -- i think that's why we all reach for the motive that's understandable. i will be honest with you. i really haven't thought too much about the people who did this. i -- you know, we have been trying to stay positive and think about, you know, how to remember brendan i think law enforcement is going to come to a conclusion and they are working very hard on it i guess that's when we are all going to find out the truth of what happened. >> as you saw we spoke with the the tevlins on the seton
hall athletic field. where he played will lacrosse. they told us about about their son's life. >> father or his mother? who did he take after? >> he was -- i think a good mix. >> yeah, probably a good mix. he was. >> i got the easy going side from me. >> is that right? easy going? >> smarts from alisyn. >> okay. i will take that. >> yeah. well, his definite, you know, work ethic and knowing that we told him when he asked us seton hall, we were thinking oh he is the oldest of four might be a stretch. and so we when we sent him we said you know, there is a the love people who go there who it's no big deal, but for you it's a big deal. and it's a privilege for you to be there. so you have to make the most
of it. is you have to really do what you want to do. he did. he accomplished everything. everything he wanted it accomplish. and he was, like i said, so proud to get into his colleges and become a richmond spider. >> a richmond, what? >> spider. >> spider? >> spider, i know. >> richmond spider. there you go. >> and he was just -- he was just that kid like all four years he was just. such a participant. he really -- and he loved everything. he loved being down there and working with all the programs he worked with. >> yeah, over there about 50 yards off of here is the place where brendan learned the bagpipes. he learned the bagpipes there at a young age, 10 years old from john bradley. and the band he played in. he played pipes and drums.
meet up there in practice as well as a bunch of other organizations. that's kind of a vocal point for us as a family and a life. irish american. it's pretty much irish cultural center there. so to name this field after him and in proximity where he practiced and learned bagpipes would mean so much to us. >> tevlins are absolutely wonderful people. tonight at 10:00 p.m. on hannity. i'm going to join sean to talk more about my interview with brendan tevlin's parents. tonight "on the record" you will hear more from brendan's parents and family members. straight ahead the russian ambassador of the u.n. goes "on the record." how could russia impact our fight against isis? that's next. mexico still holding sergeant andrew tahmooressi in prison. now new plan coming up. you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal...
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breashear al assad. russia blasted the obama administration after president obama announced his plans air strikes against isis to include targets inside syria. how will putin's relationship with syria exact the fight against isis? joining us russian president to the u.n. >> nice to see. >> you thanks for joining us. >> pleasure terrorist organization from the outset for years main threat in the region is terrorism. and when the united states decided to make toppling president assad as the priority of the policy of the united states, we told them that it was the terrorists we need to worry about as to isil we are supporting the government in baghdad even before the united states. people in washington were scratching heir heads figuring out what to do. providing tangible military support to the iraqi government. you are absolutely right. for the united states want to build a real international coalition of fighting against terrorism, they will have to respect
international law. they have to take into account the fact that there is a syrian government. so, if they want to go across the border syrian territory. even if it's isil they have to coordinate it with the syrian government. practical significance. short of that we feel it may degenerate into. other terrorist organizations other than isil in some others. so, they may take over the territory which may be vacated by isil american strike. something which really needs a lot of coordination. we are concerned is not there and the president of the united states thinking. >> in light of where we are, what do we do? if we are both joined against isis, how do we get rid of them? >> we need to fight. and we do not criticize the fact that the united states responded to the request of the iraqi government and started bombing isil. they need to do the same thing. >> what do we do about isil in syria.
>> need to do the same thing. coordinate with the syrian government. they have been fighting isil in the past three years. >> he dumped chemical weapons on his people and recently as april dumped chlorine on his people think at this it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the opposition in syria. that's why president obama did not use force at that time because they did not cross the red line. and actually chlorine. >> so you think assad who used chemical weapons. >> absolutely. it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> how about april chlorine gas used against civilians, who did that. >> that is still being investigated it is clear a few days ago it was isil who used chlorine in iraq. the case is syria needs to be investigated. >> indeed it will. ambassador, will you come back again? these are big topics. we should discuss it more. >> okay. >> you'll come back? >> i don't know. it's a very short interview. [ laughter ] >> maybe i will. >> maybe you will, maybe you won't. >> maybe i will. maybe i won't. >> i do hope you will.
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timothy joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, thank you. i understand that she was last seen at least sent a text message that she was lost? >> yeah. you know. left dinner with some friends. went to some we think she got turned around. got lost in her travel. we picked her up on video
surveillance. several video surveillance systems. we know her course of travel from the university area downtown. and those are the leads we're following up on as we speak. >> nothing more. she just sort of disappears off video and you don't pick her up on other video cameras? >> we picked her up. we have gotten at least two video systems on downtown pedestrian mall that we know have captured images in process of retreating and analyzing video. where it will take us with respect to the investigation we don't note at this point. what's frustrating to me is she traveled a heavily traveled pedestrian and vehicle path. the fact that so few people have called to say i have saw that person. here is where she went from point to point to point is incredibly frustrating to me and investigators. >> she said she was lost. i take it that's not near campus or not a a place she would likely frequently travel. >> i would think so, quite frankly. where she was that many
people traveled from restaurants and fraternities and university grounds itself. we believe she lost her way simply by virtue of the fact that she sent at least one text message to a friend indicating that she was lost and the fact that the path that she took and the direction she took away from the university to the area that she went to that she did not -- she was somewhere not comfortable with the path that she was taken. i guess late hour. like many college students she might have been partying a little bit or not? i am being very careful. we indicated alcohol was at play here. the reason we indicated that to make the point that this young lady was vulnerable. she might not have been able to defend herself. might not have made good judgment. might have been behaving in a way that people might have paid attention to. what is disappointing to me
is that people have latched on to that and began to attack this young lady's character without knowing her and that's shameful. >> indeed it is. i didn't mean to attack her at all. chief, thank you and good luck, sir. >> you are welcome. thank you. >> coming up a new veteran free sergeant tahmooressi from a mexican prison. will president obama listen? that marine veteran joins us live next. know where you stand with pnc total insight. a new investing and banking experience with personalized guidance and online tools. visit a branch, call or go online today.
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the road in virginia. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> how far are you on your 300-mile walk? >> i'm 100 miles away from the house. >> what are you going to -- >> -- the white house. >> what do you want to tell the president? >> i want to tell the president make that call i'm bringing a phone to him what do you want him to say when he makes that call? >> free sergeant tahmooressi. >> why do you think sergeant tahmooressi is still there? >> that's a good question. it may be political. i don't know. he shouldn't be there. he should be home. he served his country and he should come home. >> do you have any support? are there any other marines supporting you? >> i have alan brown with me. is he my walking partner. >> when do you expect to arrive in washington? >> hopefully within seven days. >> you are going straight to the white house? >> yes, ma'am. >> you got a letter in your hand? or are you going to deliver
excuse me. we are going to take those people and those people are going to be serviced by doctors and hospitals, we'll make great deals on it but we won't let them die if the streets. >> who pays for it? >> gentlemen, please -- >> wolf, it to clarify this. this is the republican debate because that attack about letting people die in the street if the government doesn't support them -- >> i'm having fun up here tonight, i have to tell you. >> thank you for the book, appreciate it. >> donald, relax. >> i'm relaxed. you're the basket case. don't get nervous. go ahead. >> there's nothing about you
that makes anyone nervous. >> you don't know what's happening. >> wolf, i'm goingç to ask my time not be deducted when he's yelling at me. >> take control. >> gentlemen, please. >> i get my answer. >> i want to move on. >> what i've seen up here. first of all, this guy is a choke artist and this guy is a liar. >> this guy always goes -- >> off combination of factors other than that, i rest my case. >> this is the typical thing he does. any debate about policy he goes right for the outrageous statement. >> you have to floor. >> do i get a response? >> you will but i promised governor kasich he would zblo respond. >> can somebody attack me, please? >>. [ cheers and applause ] >> that kind of sums up the night. "can somebody please attack me? please, please?" did you see that? >> look, it was like fruit salad, that's it. it was fruit salad. >> on fire. somebody poured gasoline on it and lit a match. good morning, everyone, it's friday, february 26. >> that was a mess.
>> it was a hot mess. >> that was a hot mess. at one point -- i tweeted, this is a disgrace because -- >> i don't know. >> even after that section, soon after thatç they were yelling, willie, at each other for about two minutes uninterrupted all three yelling at the same time. >> in that clip there, the frustrating thing was they're all talking over each other and nobody's like, stop, you talk, you talk. i thought that was an ugly part. i will say right from the beginning marco rubio did finally what everyone has been asking him to do. >> boom, boom, boom. >> he came to play and he fought. >> he came out fighting. donny deutsch is here as is senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. in washington, republican pollster and columnist in at the washington examiner kristen soltis-anderson and in houston, managing editor for bloomberg politics mark halperin. we were in touch with him all night as he was analyzing it firsthand. >> give us your report card,
mark, really quickly. >> i gave marco rubio and donald trump a minuses. again, my grades are based on performance and how the performance affects the candidates' chances of being the nominee. i thought rubio's performance really most surprising to me was he'd never flinched. everyone else who's gone up against trump inç these debates has had moments where they flinched and trump has gotten the better of them. i don't think rubio took trump down but i think he showed a fortitude and people in rubio world are wondering why he didn't do this sooner. >> any impact -- i mean, bloomberg came out with polls that shows donald trump crushing everybody in the deep south. rubio showed two polls of him being crushed in florida where he's a sitting senator. the thuz chan does this change your mind? >> i don't think see any reason that this would separate any of donald trump supporters from him and he last night was his normal
self. he stayed on message. he had moments where he was under attack and he held his own and talked about what he wanted to talk about. i gave ted cruz and john kasich bs and ben carson a c plus. but rubio's performance, while strong, doesn't erase the huge gap he has not just in florida but in that poll of ours, the bloomberg politics poll you mentioned, where trump is in the southern states voting on tuesday way ahead even thoughç voters know he's not the most conservative american the race. >> we'll get to an incredible moment of the night but first we should let everyone know we flew down to south carolina yesterday, we have a big interview with hillary clinton to show you, extremely wide ranging, sat down with her with well over half an hour. >> fascinating. and she was very relaxed. she was what she had been in 2008 when she really went on that run. >> so that's coming up as well. but back to the debate, there was this moment where rubio demanded trump offer explanations for his health care
policies and then look what happened. >> you may not be aware of this, donald because you don't follow this closely. when they passed obamacare, they put a bailout fund in obamacare. all the lobbyists put a bailout fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money, to bail out companies when they lost money. we led the effort to wipe that out. what is your plan? i understand the lines around the state. this is no >> you don't know what it means. that is your problem. the biggest problem he's got is he doesn't know about the state. the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have -- >> we already mentioned that as part of my plan, i no what that is. >> i think you don't know much. >> so the only thing is to get rid of the lines around the state. what is part -- >> what the lines around the state means, instead of having one insurance company taking care of new york or texas, you'll have many, they'll compete and it will be a
beautiful thing. [ applause ] >> so that's the only part of the plan? just the lines? the interstate competition. >> the nice part -- you have many different plans. you'll have dpe competition. >> now he's repeating himself. [ cheers and applause ] >> i watched him melt down on the stage like i've never seen anybody -- >> let's stay focused on substance. let's talk about your plan. >> you say the same thing, everyone's dumb, he'll make america great again -- >> senator rubio, please, please stop. >> and the lines around the state. every night.ç [ laughter ] >> it was a beautiful thing. >> that's america right there. >> what a difference between the democratic debates and the republican debates. where you actually talk about policy. >> the democratic debates are one on one now. and that really does help. >> i don't think anybody is paying attention to substantive issues there. i think clearly rubio, to his point, had a very, very strong
night. he was on the offensive. what i think he did is what i would do if i was advising anybody to go against trump is go at him as the businessman. go after trump university. go after you've hired immigrants, say you are a shady guy. shady, shady, shady: i don't think that makes aó; though. if you are a trump supporter watching that debate, you're lensing it through "that's my guy, he's strong, he was punching back." if you didn't like trump you still don't like him. had rubio started off that way, we would have a very different -- >> what about the devil's advocate. i agree with basically 99% of what you said but there's a devil's advocate of rubio's night which is that he spent all this time crafting an image as someone who is elevated, positive thinking, forward looking, and then toç get into the mud with trump might have hurt that brand. as a branding guy, what do you think? >> i don't think it hurt him. i think he just added a dimension. it was not okay this is a guy looking into the future, this was a guy who punched back and did not flinch. i was shocked. if you go against trump it's
tough to keep your footing but i thought that for the first time trump was in the positionover not even defending himself but at least having to swat those things away. i thought it was a strong night for rubio. i don't think it moves the point on the needle. >> here's the thing, though. i'm with mark halperin. if you look at the polls, look at the fact he's 20 points down in his home state, marco rubio, you look at how badly most of us think, other than donald trump, how badly most of us think donald trump did in south carolina. the south carolina debate was an absolute disaster. it was a nuclear meltdown -- >> so we thought. >> compared to last night. >> doesn't matter doesn't matter. >> that's why i say it doesn't matter. but this is why it matters to marco rubio. because rubio and cruz are not just fighting for 2016. marco rubio's losing in the next 11, 12, he's going to lose 15 primaries in a rowç he want's t going to even get to florida. but rubio and cruz have to prove to their donors that they are
worthy in 2016 to be in pole position. marco rubio can't hear over the next three years. marco, i'd give you money again, man, but you had the chance to fight trump and you never did. for marco rubio to be able to raise the money he needs to raise in 2016, he had to do what he did last night. i doubt it will move the polls for him that much, maybe a little bit. but here's another thing, too, willie, if it gets him ahead of ted cruz by instead of half a point like, say, one, two, three points he can go into 2020 going, you know what? i took on ted cruz, he had more money, he had a better porti organization and i beat cruz in -- then he starts naming the states. because these two too guys are young, they're in their mid-40s. how old's marco? >> 44, i think. >> wow. this will be incredible for him. >> so in if 2020 he'll be 48
years old. heç had to do this because we were saying, his donors were saying, the writers were saying why is he scared of donald trump? he proved last night -- even though it won't make a difference -- he's not scared of donald trump. and if he is going to be the future of the republican party -- which he's been called by "time" magazine -- he has to prove to be the future of the republican party by punching back. >> what party? that's the question. >> but if you talk to him, he's not giving up. he believes if he gets in a one on one with trump there's a way. you may disagree -- >> it's not that i don't disagree, it goes back to data, willie. it goes back to every super tuesday poll. he's down in all 11 super tuesday states, he'll probably lose 15 in a row and he has to go to florida where he's down by 20 points. if he's 0 for 15, 0 for 16, he doesn't run in florida. he may be governor in 18 and run for senate again. >> it brings up the point of why didn't they do this type of
attack against trump months and months ago. i couldn't help but think you remember 2008 hillary clinton the inevitable candidate and everyone is barack obama, go after her, inç the fall of 200. and it took actually chris dodd to go after her in that debate, on illegal -- undocumented citizens driver's licenses in new york for her to finally get the glean ripped off of her. so now you're wondering if they had done this back in september or october, would it have made a difference? >> no. >> you don't think so? >> no, i don't think so. >> trump was not coming -- >> i've got to say this again, donny. if any debate performance was going to hurt donald trump it would have been south carolina. it would have been south carolina. >> but that was too late. we went back to september. if you just for the first time out of the box were watching that -- >> but he's stronger since that debate. >> if you were watching that debate you would say "wow, rubio is the guy and trump's not a viable candidate." you're coming in now lensing it
through trump win-win-win. there's so much equity in him right now. there's so much built in gravitas. >> people are finishing his sentences for him. >> it's different. but if you watch last night fresh you would say rubio was the guy. butç too little too late and its not going to happen. >> we put up a story yesterday about how these campaigns didn't even put up research files to get trump over the summer because they assumed he would go away. last night was a research debate. they could have done that months and months ago had they prepared. >> sam makes an interesting point which is i think most people thought donald trump was a passing fever of some kind and they felt like we're not going to go through this, we're not going after him and by the time everybody woke up he was on his way -- >> i've never seen more people with who with more experience in journalism and politics sit here in shock and sit here kind of with their pants down because they didn't prepare. >> not literally. >> well, i hope not. >> they've come back on the
other side angry. >> and they're angry. >> very angry. >> mark halperin -- >> and kristen, we have to get kristen in. >> let's go back to the bloomberg polls again. give me a quick rundown of super tuesday southern states. talk about how massive donald trump's lead is there. >> he's leading in the horse race 2-1ç over rubio and kwlou a -- cruz who are basically tied. voters don't say he's most conservative but they still like him. they rank him on a range of issues, strength, electability. it shows the difficulty these candidates will have in defining him. as strong as rubio's performance was in some ways last night, the way you take someone down in a debate is to have a single frame to say here's why this person is dead. rubio threw the kitchen sinke d enin various different frames. this guy who has new york values, who isn't seen as the most conservative is still the
dominant figure. so a lot of what they went after him last night on is he's too liberal. well, that's been priced into the stock for voters again the most conservative part of the country. the other thing in our poll is one on one. we tested trump against rubio, trump against cruz, the sort of conventional wisdom was well, if only they could get him one on one and trump leads both rubio and cruz one on one, suggesting that even if the field winnowed before tuesday trump would be in a strong position. >> kristen,ç we've got donald trump winning the last three races. he's getting momentum behind him and he's going into the area that we have said around the table would be the strongest. he's a jacksonian. he seems to be a jacksonian and he's going into the heart of sort of jacksonian democracy in the deep, deep south. and it's going to be very hard for marco rubio or ted cruz or john kasich or ben carson or anybody to get those people to turn away from trump.
>> i think those two-way ballot tests that mark just talked about are probably some of the most interesting of the questions in that survey because the idea here is that folks have been saying, look, you'll have to have either marco rubio or ted cruz step aside, make way for the other and that's the only way you take down trump at this point. and i think what's so fascinating about last night's debate performance is that you may not have a lot of trump hard core supporters turning away from him. i agree. if you like trump, you probably still like him after last night's debate. what's responsibility that aç t of polls have shown if a cruz drops out of the race some of those cruz folks go to trump instead of to rubio. if rubio drops out, some of those folks go to trump instead of cruz. last night's debate performance may have prevented people from switching from a rubio and cruz to a trump. if you were looking for someone who projects competence, if you were looking for somebody who projects i really can win, i think that's what made last night's debate so interesting.
you may not have pulled away people who already like trump but you may have said, look, if you don't like me at least vote for the other guy who is not trump. i think that's whatbi making things interesting. if you look at the polls in texas, the last two polls i've seen come out of texas, one had cruz up by 15 but one only hand cruz up by one. if cruz wins texas by one or loses texas, that's a big problem. >> trump is getting the nomination. everybody has to grow up and deal with that. [ laughter ] it's jeb bush -- >> says the man who said we needed a trump ban on the show three months ago. >> well what i'm saying -- >> you're growingç up. >> no, no. you saw what the democrats' play book is going to be and you paint one image -- trump is a lying sleaze. just put him on the defensive. if i'm advising trump, i'd say
that's what you have to watch out for. if i'm advising hillary i say that's straight where you go. >> and rubio did all those things last night. >> too little too late. >> if you want to know to the story of trump's success, go to the second line of the bloomberg poll. do you believe trump is a committed christian? 12%. yet he won evangelicals in south carolina. he won evangelicals in nevada. people don't really care about the specifics of who he is. they love his style, they love his brand. >> that's the way you cut into the style and brand. >> that's the case. it's the same thing with mark. mark halperin, you're saying they know he's liberal, that he's the most liberal candidate in the most conservative part of the country, they're still voting for him and i want to show you in a very, veryç conservative state in the republican primary marco rubio's home state of florida. this kind of goes -- follows up on what kristen was saying. everybody assumed when jeb bush jumped out of the race that all of his numbers were going to marco rubio. well, they didn't. donald trump got a lot of them.
he's at 44% in rubio's home state where he's a sitting senator. that's a quinnipiac poll. i think they dismissed that poll but there's also a pp poll that came out yesterday that actually had trump at 45%. so real uphill climb for marco rubio, despite a really good debate performance last night and i would be shocked if he went into the florida primary without a win and didn't drop out of the race to maintain his viability. you can't lose your home state by 20 points. >> we have a lot to get to. we had such an incredible day -- incredibly long day yesterday. back from washington, did the show, went down to south carolina, incredible interview with hillary clinton. >> was she asking for me? >> she was not asking for you aç all. >> she's coy that way. >> security was. >> it was extremely wide-ranging. it went from fun to dead serious. and then speaking of great
performances, your band last night at prohibition, you have incredible musicians. >> they're great. >> people need to come see this. >> it's an awesome band. >> i don't know how you did that. >> what's the cover charge? why didn't you ask me? >> it's free but for you it's like $100. >> you were out performing with a nine-piece band. >> why didn't you ask me to play the triangle. >> can you bring your triangle next thursday? >> do they serve food? >> it was -- you guys are good. >> it was packed, it was kind of crazy. >> you can watch it on periscope. >> they're incredible musicians. >> how many them? >> nine, right? >> you have a horn section -- >> nine. >> brass, backup. >> it used to be like the police. we had basist, guitarist, drummer. and then i went to see steely dan at the beacon and now we have 28 people. i'm like "i need horns, i need background singers." our interview with hillary clinton is ahead and moreç debe highlights. so still ahead on "morning
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tomorrow in south carolina, hillary clinton looks to notch her third victory of the democratic presidential primary race and we sat down with her yesterday in that state for a wide-ranging conversation about the issues and her candidacy. >> as you know, on our show we sort of speak our mind, for better or worse sometimes for candidates. for you sometimes laugh. >> you made her laugh right at the top. i knew it. >> i had to say over the past couple days we have said for better that you seem to be a different candidate since nevada. in fact, the second you got up
on stage and started speaking in nevada reminded me of the hillary clinton from 2008. what was different? what is different now? >> that's a great observation. you know, i don't know. i think it does take me a little bit longer to get into the rhythm of campaigning, to feel what i'm doing and how it's working and i felt just really ç good. we hit our stride in nevada. i felt like not only was the campaign and the message of breaking all barriers really beginning to take hold and people could understand it, but i just felt that we were on the upward trajectory. so maybe that's what you were seeing. >> you also said something, too, in abintn interview, i'm not su which one it was, but we've been talking about how calculating you were and how it seems to be not the person that we know personally but you said in an interview earlier this week that your biggest challenge was convincing voters that you were
not interested in what was best for you, you had58iñi to convin them that you were doing this for them. >> right. >> talk about that. and the misconceptions that you may feel you've been fighting. >> i have to -- this has kind of come to me over the last months because, you know, it is painful. it's hurtful to have people say "oh, we don't trust her, don't know why she's doing it. it suddenly struck me, well, maybe there is this underlying question, like, is she doinghi for herself or is she really in it for us? and i've always thought of myself as being service oriented. i always believed that i was in it for trying to help people get a better shot in life, even the odds. and i think i'm going to keep reaching out, talking about what i've done, what i will do and making the case that people can count on me because they always have in the past. >> somebody else said something
funny when i said "she just seems different. and she seemed different this week, she's more relaxed, she's what we've been saying all along we should be and it was surprising." and i think it was halperin who said "the clintons have a 30-year history of near-death experiences and resurrection." >>. [ laughter ] >> so why don't you make it easy on yourself and forget the lazarus routine and make it easy for your friends and supporters. >> let's do that from now on. i like that alternative. that's an interesting observation. there mayç be some truth to it. part of it is that i always feel like i am carrying a big weight of responsibility for so many people. i really do have this sense that a lot of people are counting on me, a lot of people are expecting know help them. a lot of people are really in my corner. i think that does sometimes get
me a little tensed up to be honest. i think i'm afflicted by the responsibility gene. >> ever since we've been getting ready for the interview and mika was writing notes and everything, i was sitting here talking. >> how a man prepares versus -- >> and mika commented man versus me fretting over every note and carrying notes. she asked me "do you want notes?" and i was like "nah." do you ever look at yo you are husband and how he did it and go "it's not fair!" >> i think mika and i understand this because still today when you are a high-achieving woman, particularly one in the public eye, you really are just expected to qurform at a higher level all the time. and there are not enough experiences with different styles or different approaches that women make -- my goodness, there's a million different ways you can be successful, you can communicate and all the rest of it and, look, i'm not telling
you anything you don't know. i am not a natural politician like bill clinton or barack obama so for me it came through the root of service, it came from my deep conviction that, you know, we had to make sure that this country we all love kept producing opportunities for everybody and i see that narrowing and i see people being left out and it upsets me. so i invest a lot of energy and a lot of my own emotion into what i do and i think sometimes instead of that being as easy to understand as i would like it to be, it sometimes is a little bit nerve-wracking. >> right. >> and we saw that with jeb, a guy who knew policy forward and backwards but in 2016 it justç didn't seem to be interpreted as well on the campaign trail. >> so you have a lot of different branding and messages out there, you have donald trump "make america great again." >> right.
>> bernie sanders, "the system is rigged." >> what is your message simply? >> break down the barriers so america and americans live up to their potential. that is what i care about, that's what i've done, that's what i'm talking about, i feel very comfortable talking about that. it hit me. i care deeply about the economic barriers. i think i have the best idea about how to help create jobs and get incomes rising and all the other things we have to do to get the economy growing and get it fairer. but economic barriers are not the only things that hold people back. we were just talking about, you know, some of the gender-related issues that hold women back. there's race, there's lgbt discrimination, there's a lot of reasons why people feel somehow pushed down or left behind. so using this barriers metaphor really works for me because it helps me organize everything i'm talking about, knocking down barriers to quality health, to good education: you know, we're in a county here where we're doing this interview and it's
one of the i-95 counties that there was a big documentary saying it was the corridor of shame because the schools are so poor, they're falling down, kids are not being educated. they don't even have enough teachers. that's a big barrier. no matter how loving your family might be, you don't have those opportunities, that's going to hold you back. so that's how i now think about what i want to do as president and it really helps me maybe do a better job of conveying that. >> so let me then ask you. you express concern about being held to a different standard as it pertains to the wall street speeches and you said you would release the transcripts when the republicans do. but isn't it more important perhaps to be transparent to democratic voters about what you said to big banks behind closed doors? >> well, i think i have been transparent. i have a record. i'm not coming to this for the first time. people can go back, they can look at what i said and what i did when i was a senator.
i'm the one who called out wall street. >> so where did you say that? where did you say that? >> back in december of 2007. i even ran an ad in the '08 campaign, it was in '07, warning about the mortgage crash and so i'm on record. i have gone after these guys, i have been pointing fingers at them, i've been introducing legislation. so people who want to know about my public record, it there's to see. people who want to know what i will do as president, everybody says who's looked at it i have the best plan to rein in wall street, to prevent them from ever doing into what they did to us before. and i want to move toward a level playing field. as i've said, happy to do it when everybody, including the republicans, does it. >> but if reporters are looking for -- don't you want to get ahead of it before somebody gets their hands on these transcripts? >> no, i really don't.
because i want people to look at my record. people are treating me sometimes as though i just decided to run for president. i have been on the record on if you look at what caused the great recession, a bill he voted for in 2000 had a greater impact than most of the talk that we're now doing. so let's get everybody out on the same field. i feel like i don't mind being responsive. i don't mind answering questions but at some point i want everybody to have to answer. >> i respect that call. can you assure the american people that you didn't say anything in those speeches that would undermine your promise to
be tough on wall street. >> absolutely. absolutely. and besides, i'm on the public record. i've told them what i've going to do. i've said i'm going to go after big banks that pose a systemic risk. hold me accountable for that. i'll do that. >> so çlet's talk about that. one of the chief complaints that a lot of supreme is after the bailout, the banks that were too big to fail got even bigger. haven't they gotten even bigger. >> i think they have. >> whether it's bank of america or j.p. morgan. any of these big banks, if they went down tomorrow, we'd all be on the line again for, that right? >> well, no, because now we're not going to bail them out. they have gotten bigger but they've also been under much closer scrutiny. >> so if bank of america came to you -- and i'm going to get in big trouble from friends at bank of america. we found out what about to lehman brothers was going to happen tmqñ bank of america you third week in office and they said "listen, this is very simple, you let us go down, atm machines across america are
going to shut down. our people aren't going to get their money. you have to save us or the economy collapses." what do you say to them. >> i say under dodd-frank we have an orderly unwinding of your bank because you are now posing a systemic risk. >> but madam president, the markets will absolutely collapse. look how badly they collapsed after lehman brothers. we need you to step in now or -"a're going to be responsible what do you tell them? >> we'll do in the an orderly way so there won't be surprises. the reason we passed dodd-frank was to make it clear no bank is too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail and we have to keep faith with the american people. i'm sorry that you've made bad decisions, but we're going to have to unwind you and, yes, break you up. and parts of you will be very successful going forward and other parts won't and if there is any accountability that needs to be imposed on individual decisions we will also follow through on that.
>> so you can make the guarantee today that if you're president of the united states under no circumstances will those there be a taxpayer-funded bailout of these big banks. >> if they pose a systemic risk, we've got the process under dodd-frank now. the tools have been provided by. we have to follow through on that. and the banks have to know we will follow through. >> that's a guarantee of no taxpayer bailout. >> no, because that's what we tried to fix in dodd-frank and too, though, j this. i want to go further because if you really look at what happened in '07/'08 and you mentioned lehman brothers, it was investment banks like lehman brothers, it was insurance companies like aig, mortgage companies like countrywide. so the only culprits with not just the banks, there were others as well and i'm the only one with a plan who says hey, guys, dodd-frank is great, it gives us the foundation, it doesn't go far enough. we need to look at other
entities that pose systemic risks as well. >> a champion on these issues is elizabeth warren. do you see a role for her in your campaign. >> this is hillary clinton you can feel my pain. >> i have the highest regard for her. i think she's doing an amazing job. she signed a letter two years ago urging me to run for president and we consult regularly. my staffs consult regularly with her staff so i am very much interested in what she's doing and what she thinks we should be doing. >> will you consider her as vice president. that's mika's follow up president. >> well, i can't get presumptuo presumptuous. i have to win the no'q%=9 and then i'll take a deep breath and maybe get a good night's sleep and then start thinking about that important decision. >> i wasn't going to ask that, but okay. >> you're glad i did. >> there's more. >> there's a lot more. >> much more. i thought it was fascinating. you want to go to mark halperin. >> no, mark halperin, what were your takeaways from an interview
where i thought hillary clinton was as relaxed as i've seen her, bluntly, in eight years. >> i'm getting so many e-mails about this interview. >> from her victory speech in las vegas on saturday to that interview to a performance on the stump lately, she's in as good a groove as i have seener in a candidate in any race she's run right now and part of that is her relief that she went from being under the gun to being relaxed. you guys asked her tough questions. she never once seemed rattled or off her game. she seemed most of all conversational and when she's conversational, anyone who's had a conversation with her knows she's engaging well beyond what people normally think of her as. >> i would echo that. you can see a weight lifted off her after nevada. after a razor thin win in çiow getting blown out in new hampshire, she's relieved she won there. there's an op-ed in the "new york times" calling for her to release the trimtease the trans the case it makes people think she's hiding something by stonewalling so it was
interesting to see her answer your question. >> she said there's nothing in those speeches that would understood undermine her message and also her promises to be tough on wall street and big banks. >> let's see them. >> what was compelling, though, her argument -- of course i'm not going to say i agree with it because yesterday i said that republicans shouldn't release -- she shouldn't release hers until republicans release theirs and everybody went crazy everybody saying "you're wrong, you're wrong." but she had a really compelling argument. you guys are worried about speeches. i've got a 30-year public record. look at my public record. if you think those speeches have influenced how i behaved in public service, look at my public service. judge me by my public service. i know that's not going to be good enough for the critics. >> it is a good answer. when people giveç speeches, if you talk to the truckers you go "truckers are the backbone of this country." >> let me tell you something, trucker people, they're the best
people in the world. >> thank you. it's a speech. >> the bigger is should she have done them? >> don't you want to know what she says in private? i feel like that can offer a window into what she thinks. >> that's what i think. >> i think at the end of the day i think she's made two compelling arguments and i stand alone in the world. >> i agree with you. next hour -- >> number one is i'll release my transcripts when the republicans release their transcripts. nobody agrees with me on that. >> i agree. >> number two, look at my public works. look at my public service, judge me by that. next hour, there are our sit down with hillary clinton, including her candid thoughts on donald trump. >> andrew ross sorkin -- also coming up, tom brokaw, chucked to, mary kissel of the "wall street journal" joins the table. >> we like mary. she goeets mean. seven.
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experience. if you don't vote, that's coming back in 2017. [ laughter ] but look how far you've come. the most dishonest person in america is a woman. [ laughter ] who's about to be president. how could that be? my party has gone bat [ bleep ] crazy. [ cheers and applause ] if we don't win this election, when are we ever going to win one? that's not meant to be funny. a good republican would defend ted cruz after tonight. that ain't happening. [ laughter ] if you kill ted cruz on the floorç of the senate and the trial was in the senate nobody could convict you. [ laughter ] >> oh, my gosh! >> that's awful! it's awful! >> that's the real lindsey,
though, right? >> and the party is definitely -- crazy. it is. >> a little crazy. >> what's going on there? that was senator lindsey graham roasting the presidential field last night in washington. joining us now, a member of the "wall street journal" editorial board and host of "opinion journal" on "wall street journal" live, mary kissel. who i just made feel very uncomfortable. i never thought i could, you're so confident. >> sour confident. who won the debate last night? what was your take away? >> my take away is that rubio and cruz realize they can't run for second place. donald trump is the front-runner and they finally woke up and tag teamed him, essentially. >> marco can lift the hammer. he can lift the hammer. >> marco came ready to fight and he raised some pretty serious questions about trump. i think the most effective exchange was the health care exchange where, you know, the emperor had no2clothes there. he exposed the fact that trump doesn't have a health care plan and the second effective exchange was on israel where cruz pointed out that
essentially trump's policy is hillary's policy and rubio said, look, you can't be neutral. you can't negotiate with somebody who's negotiating in bad faith. >> the only problem is that a lot of his policies do lean to the left a little bit and nobody seems to care in some of the more conservative states so far. >> when we had trump in our town hall meeting, i was surprised when he talked about being neutral between israel and the palestinians. he said he was going to do that because he wanted to be an honest broker and bring peace to the region. that with planned parenthood and everything else. republican voters know, republican voters don't seem to care. >> trump last night did a bunch of bold things that a normal republican candidate would be afraid to do. he said everyone in the country should have health care. he defended planned parenthood but said he was against abortion and wanted to defund them but defended their work. he said again what you said on israel and he also was, you know, open to the notion of being a more inclusive çfigure.
i thought trump -- he criticized hugh hewitt for bad ratings. [ laughter ] he took risks. maybe thinking about a general election, but all of them things -- no other republican candidate would insult hugh hewitt on that stage. trump showed boldness and strength and some positions will help him if he's the nominee win a general election. >> mary, is it too little too late? a lot of people watched marco rubio, he was very effective, well prepared stylistically, good at going after donald trump and people wonder why that didn't happen six months ago. is there any stopping trump this point forward? >> we'll see. but they didn't let trump get away with his usual word salad of nonsense last night. you know, one of the reasons why voters have started to get more comfortable with donald trump is because they didn't perceive an alternative. but look at the laundry list that rubio put forward last night. he won't release his tax returns. he's hired illegals. we don't know anything about his income. he's bankrupted four companies.
he's been a hypocrite on manufacturing. he's close to hillary on foreign policy. these are very serious problems with the trump campaign and it'ç about time that rubio and cruz pointed them out. >> is it too late though? >> we don't know, we haven't had super tuesday yet. that's the test. but i think that rubio and cruz did what they had to do last night. >> they did what they have to do but couldn't have have lifted the hammer from the get go? >> i don't think they took trump seriously. i don't think anybody took trump seriously. >> isn't that the big mistake everybody made? from the establishment in washington to the establishment in the media, the laughing from the get go actually made him stronger. if you think about it, if you think about it, every candid-íe should be taken seriously. i'm thinking herman cain and all these others were taken seriously. >> i don't know. i didn't take herman cain too seriously. the 999 plan? >> but did you laugh in his face? >> no, but they should have taken him on on the substance. jeb bush's mistake -- >> as a serious candidate.
>> jeb bush took him on personally. he attacked trump's character. >> so did the media. >> and they finally attacked substance last night. >> does substance matter in 2016? >> i think it matters. jeb bush had the most substance. >> but he couldn'tç communicat it. >> of any candidate in the field. >> but he couldn't communicate. it doesn't matter if you can't get the message across. >> he could communicate but his communication wasn't insults or screaming or an in your face display -- >> well, that's not effective communication. >> it's been tremendously -- i think substance does not -- if substance matters we wouldn't be where we were. what matter zblshs s -- >> no, that's not true. last night was the first night they made the argument. >> this is an angry. us will. there's a guy up there saying "i'm mad as hell." >> the exit polls show 13% to 15% of voters care about immigration. that's what he's running on. and look at the dislike --
>> what he's running on is us versus them, that should be the point. that's not the substance. >> mark halperin, we love mary. she's so great. can you do us a favor? we don't want to torture mary. could you describe the most, let's say, troubling parts of the bloomberg poll of the deep south yesterdayç for a "wall street journal" editorial page writer? >> well, the reality is the polls suggest that in the super tuesday states trump is leading but strong despite voters not thinking he's the most conservative and doing very well head-to-head against the other candidates. trump has a lot of strength and for people like mary who would like to see trump stopped, the question is how can you stop him, can you stop him if he wins one or every state on tuesday? >> was this a poll after the debate or before? >> if you look at these numbers is he a committed christian? only 12% say he is but he's swamping everybody among
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>> if he hadn't inherited $200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now? selling watches in manhattan. [ cheers and applause ] >> rubio throws everything but the kitchen sink. >> can i just say? >> quickly. >> somebody wrote that line for him, he delivered it very well. >> okay. >> i think he only said it one time. >> the watches? >> yeah. he did say this is not a real estate deal four times in like 15 seconds. but the watches line -- >> tom brokaw and chuck todd join us. plus more from our interview with hillary clinton. i'll be back in a moment.
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>> here's a guy that inherited $200 million. if he hadn't inherited $200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now?ç selling watches in manhattan. you lied about the polish workers. >> oh, yeah, yeah. 38 years ago. >> you lied to students at trump university. >> oh, he lied 38 years ago. i guess there's a statute of limitation on lies. >> in 2013 when i was leading the fight against the gang of eight amnesty bill, where was donald? he was firing dennis rodman on "celebrity apprentice." >> i will not let people die on the streets if i'm president. >> have you said you're a liberal on health care? >> excuse me, let me talk. i know you're embarrasses, but keep swinging, swing for the fences. >> wow. >> some good lines in there.
>> it was hard to describe the debate actually at times. >> i wasn't hard, it was a cage fight. that's when you get down to it. it was -- >> fisticuffs. >> tom brokaw is with us. there you go, a cage fight along with mary kissel of the "wall street journal" and, tom -- who do we have in washington. republican pollster kristen soltis anderson, pulitzer prize winning columnist inç eugene robinson and host of "meet the press" chuck todd. >> so, tom, it was a cage fight and at points three candidates were yelling at each other at the same time for five minutes. >> for a long time. >> what is a moderator's responsibility to step in and maintain order when the yelling continues unabated for five minutes. >> or was that part of the story? >> it's always a tricky piece, having been there and done that. people -- you can never satisfy everyone. actually, a couple of those exchanges, as heated as they were, were instructive when they
were going after donald trump on whether or not he'd been fined a million dollars for hiring illegals, what his net worth may be, what about his tax returns and when ted cruz was making the point "i was there on immigration." those were relevant points. my problem with the debate last night was that we're not getting at issue that the country needs. >> none. >> we have a flat economy going on right now -- >> on the democratic side we are. >> not only that, folks, in the last two weeks, we've had two more mass shootings p 350 people killed in america in mass shootings in the last year. >> one last çnight. >> and one last night in kansas. that's a stunning thing. you can look at all of these 10 debates, insults flying back and forth, a lot of petulance and yet you dig inside those bloomberg polls we've been talking about all day, in the deep south the number one issue -- >> guns. >> no. jobs. by a long shot. the number-one issue is jobs.
all the other issues, all the social issues whether it's guns or abortion or the environment, they're at the bottom. it's jobs, jobs, jobs. all these guys are doing are insulting each other. >> and nobody is talking about jobs. there's always the difference between the primary debates and the general election. what they're doing is going after a constituency trying to get over 50% to get them home and there was a lot of that last night playing to the immigration heated debate that goes on in the s.e.c., as we call the primary this is week, and in texas especially. but if trump beats cruz in texas and kasich is in trouble in ohio -- >> and marco is losing by 15, 20 points inç florida in two different polls. >> here's what will happen in washington and other pundit places. it will look like the american embassy when the iranians were coming home. we'll be feeding stuff into the fire -- >> thank you for that. >> thank you, tom brokaw, it's already begun. >> let's show the debate.
marco rubio challenging trump as a hypocrite on immigration and trade. >> if he builds the wall the way he built trump towers he'll be using illegal immigrant labor to do it. [ cheers and applause ] >> so cute. such a cute soundbite. >> about the trade war, beyond because your ties and the clothes you make are made in mexico and china. so you'll be starting a trade war against your own ties and suits. why don't you make them in america? >> because they devalue their currencies. >> then make them in america. >> well, you don't know a thing about business, you lose on everything you do. they devalue their currencies to such an extent that our businesses cannot compete with them. our workers lose their jobs. >> so you make them in china and russia. >> well, you don't know anything about it. >> i don't know anything about bankrupting four companies. >> here's a guy that buys aç house for $179,000, he sells it to a lobbyist who's probably here for $380,000 and then legislation is passed. you tell me about this guy. >> here's a guy that inherited
$200 million. if he hadn't inherited $200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now? selling watches in manhattan. [ cheers and applause ] >> i took $1 million and i turned it into $10 billion. i borrowed $1 million. >> then release the tax returns so we can see how much money you make. >> i borrowed $1 million, i turned it into $10 billion. >> he doesn't make that much money. >> so chuck todd, people having saying for some time that the candidates, especially rubio, should go after donald trump, last night he did and he did it after a spate of polls came out that showed the race to be almost over. the bloomberg polls in the deep south and then in florida those two polls that showed rubio losing by almost 20 points the. question of the morning, is it too little too late or could this change things next tuesday? >> what i was struck at the most last night is that lastç night the normal rules of political debate applied. meaning the people that were behind attacked the
front-runner. what was so amazing about last night was that was the most that i think donald trump had really ever been attacked by multiple candidates, mostly right, cruz and rubio. and what's -- i'm sorry, i think it's remarkable that it took to the 10th debate before pressure was applied to trump. is it too little too late? we'll find out on tuesday. i think rubio certainly -- if you look at what donors wanted to see from him, what a bunch of people sitting on the sidelines who don't want to see trump as the nominee, who have been hesitant to jump on the rubio bandwagon, particularly after what happened in new hampshire, did he perform well enough for them? my guess is he did. he was relentless. i think at times he did get under trump's skin. cruz disappeared early in the debate. i thought he came back late. but you've got to give trump credit. i thought he countered pretty well. he didn't just take the pummelling. he did return fire a little çb.
but i have to say -- >> chuck, don't you -- >> but joe one more thing. the audit defense on tax returns was awful. there's just -- to make that your -- "well, i'm getting aud it th -- audited." anyone else i'd say that's a massive unforced error, with trump you don't know. >> i think it works for him because it shows how the irs is hounding everybody and he's getting audited. >> okay, "i'm audited every year." really, you are, buddy? this, zmuk did he do better or worse than he did in the south carolina debate that we judged as a complete collapse? >> i thought he was better last night. >> that's what i'm saying. i thought he collapsed in south carolina. the polls showed he went up so if that performance causes him to go up four or five points, i
don't know what will help donald trump we've said it before, it helps marco rubio because marco rubio answers the bell. he finally gets upç and punche the guy, the heavyweight champion in the face time and time and time again and he doesn't back down. and that's good. not for 2016, it may be too late but as we set up for 2020 because i suspect you'll see him move ahead of ted cruz and as those who jockey for who's the next nominee in 2020 if that's the case. >> not only did rubio perform well stylistically, he was relentless, he went back at trump. in the past when we've seen people like jeb bush, he'd go at trump once and when trump hit back he had nowhere to go after. that rubio was well prepared with the research. the question, gene robinson, is a lot of this stuff is low-hanging fruit. you say all the jobs are going to mexico and china yet you make all your clothes and ties in mexico and the china. why haven't we heard this stuff at least on the debate stage? we've seen in the the press. why haven't we heard it from
other candidates until last night? >> well, because they were scared. they were scared to do it. they -- because attacking trump got you out of the race, basically. the candidates who had gone after him before are no longer with us. last night's debate was fascinating. it was a cage match, as tom brokaw said and you could listen to it on the verbal level. there was the verbal level and non-verbal level. on the verbal level and what was said, clearly rubio struck blow after blow, the watches in manhattan line actually was brilliant and brilliantly delivered. the trump university stuff i thought was damaging. people would get that. cruz late in the debate was an effective prosecutor i thought in cross-examining trump so on the verbal level clearly he took blows. on the non-verbal level you had the big dog in the middle and you had two yapping smaller dogs
on either side who did not dislodge him. that was the sort of image that you got from the whole evening. so in that sense who knows what hurts donald trump. most of his voters seem to have made up their minds a while ago and they don't seem shaken by this sort of thing. >> mary? >> the reality is, if republican voters are going(tn choose donald trump, then donald trump has to be vetted and what we saw last night were a lot of big rid flags about trump. he says he's getting audited every year, he refuses to release his past tax returns. well, that's the first time we've heard that excuse and to my knowledge there's no reason why he can't release past returns. what's in them if republicans go with trump, he's going to face a hillary clinton who looks very serious, very presidential, who's very ready for him. so he needs to be attacked -- >> mary, she's not releasing just as much as he's not releasing. they'll cancel each other out on this. >> that's true.
but look at the excerpts of the interview with her you just played. essentially what she just said is, if you like your 2% economy, you can keep your 2% economy. she spouted a lot of nonsense about how she's all for good schools. you know what? she's backed by the teachers' unions. she's absolutely against school choice. so she can sound serious while spouting a lot of nonsense and really saying we're going to have a third term of obama. >> so what we're reading in the "wall street journal" editorial is trump for president inç the fall? that will be fascinating. can't wait for that. tom, so what happens now? we wait for super tuesday. if the polls go the way they're looking right now, it looks like a decisive donald trump win. does the republican party start lining up behind this man or do we see a third-party challenge from bloomberg or from another republican? >> on the bloomberg piece of it, i've talked to him a couple times and he's not ready to pull
the trigger yet and it will get harder and harder for him to do that as the trump phenomenon continues if it does continue after all this. as you know, it's very tough getting on the ballot as a third party candidate. when ross perot got 19% of the vote that was a triumph, but it was only 19% of the vote and he had a long runup to doing that. the republican party establishment, whatever it is, hope that he does not get to the nomination in the primaries. that he'll be well short of that. and then they can broke err convention in some passion. but they're in a panic mode about the fact that donald trumç will be the nominee. i think the tax returns are critical at this stage, quite honestly. he's being called out by everyone and when he says "i can't do it because i'm being audited." let's see the last nine years. >> look, head to head, trump loses to bernie and he loses to hillary and cruz tried to point that out last night when he kept talking about trump's
electability. now i'm sure that doesn't speak to trump's supporters because trump has -- his supporters just aren't swayed. it's about 30%. but it may sway some voters in the middle. look, my point is if republicans want to go with trump they need to understand what they're getting and they need to understand that they might lose the general election. >> kristen, can you explain who the republican primary voters are that are supporting trump? >> republican primary voters who are supporting trump are typically working class folks who are frustrated. that they feel like america has changed in a bad direction in the last couple of years, over the last decade or two and that they are being left behind. so most people voting for trump, they're doing so because they sort of want to change the directionç of where things are going. they don't want to be left behind. that's why the attacks up to this point saying trump's not conservative have failed. what was fascinating and the reason why rubio's attacks last night were important is because he finally did something different than what other people are doing. it's not just that rubio went on the attack.
it's that he finally used different attacks that haven't been levied on the debate stage. that might be potentially per situationive to folks who don't care that trump isn't conservative but want somebody who's competent and can win. >> chuck todd the republican party in the rubio camp is dreaming of a brokered convention. >> that's all they have. >> that's all they have. >> >> but let's say even if this debate moved things five points in rubio's direction trump still wins all 13 contests on super tuesday. he still wins florida, may lose texas. if we get past super tuesday next week and trump dominates the way it looks like he's going to dominate right now, is the dream of the brokered convention dead in the water? >> absolutely. look, it's aç pretty simple -- >> chuck, they have to stop him before super tuesday. >> correct. it's -- well, know, it's march 15. that's the deadline.
on super tuesday because of the proportional -- go ahead, let's put rubio, give him another three points. so let's say he averages in the high 20s in many of these states rather than the low to mid-20s. trumps sits at his 35 to 40 depending on the state. he'll have 100 to 110 delegate lead: but the real test is ohio and florida. if trump wins them both, it's over. he's halfway -- he'll be at 600 plus. that's halfway to the magic number. no one else will be within, i think, 250, 300. >> so 16 years later it's still all about florida, florida, florida. >> and there's only two outcomes, either trump becomes the presumptive nominee or we're headed to a brokered convention. trump has enough of a lead already, he'll get en delegates on super tuesday that
it's impossible for anybody else to win this before the convention so it's either trump now or a convention? >> and todd harris, the chairman of rubio's campaign said the media needs to chill, marco rubio is going to win florida, period, take it to the bank. >> >> what chuck says is correct and here is the problem for the republicans and this is if trump does all that -- what chuck just outlined and they decide to have a broerk brokeredñ convention, they're defying the will of the people. they're alienating everybody who went for trump. >> this has been the case from the get-go. >> and the party breaks up in its own way. that's a huge issue about are they playing by the establishment rule source there a new republican party that trump has managed to personify with his style and positions? >> not exactly where i stand but quickly, the audit narrative, i predict it plays into trump's
favor. >> why is that? >> because "i'm being audited every year they audit me." there's more there and it will play into his favor. chuck todd, thank you. >> again, every other candidate would have to release -- >> it will play in his favor. >> this is also in iowa. there's never been more true than this. "i support the crazy one." are you talking about sanders? is that the pro-sanders -- >> fill in the blank. democrat or republican. whatever you want to do. >> chuck, what are you working on for "meet the press" on sunday? >> we're getting close to most of the candidates that are left so we'll see how many we have. but we have a primary tomorrow night. >> oh, my gosh. kristen soltye soltis anderson, you so much. tom brokaw as well. we all support the crazy one. join, stay with us. up next, our one-on-one interview with hillary clinton in south carolina. we ask why nothing seems to
stick to donald trump and much of it does to her and her take on how her campaign is going right now. >> and his campaign. watch this. >> i think it's been mostç surprising to me so-tto see somy who was affable and good company and have a reputation that is bigger than life really traffic in a lot of prejudice and paranoia in some of the comments that he's made which have been so divisive and mean spirited doesn't quite fit with what i thought i knew about him. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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job what do you think? mary's going into the voting booth -- >> she'sç got major derangemen syndrome on both sides. >> she's sitting there and sees two name -- trump and clinton. >> what does she do? what do you do, mary? >> you have to think about the supreme court. >> so what do you do? >> in that instance, you have to think do i want 30 years of an incredibly liberal supreme court that just may -- >> you're going to vote for donald trump. >> that makes up the law. >> no, i'm telling you the calculation of conservatives. >> so that means donald trump. you're a trump person.
>> i'm telling you -- okay, fine. >> mary kissel for donald trump. >> more of our discussion with hillary clinton. >> you going back to the newsroom -- >> i don't sit in a newsroom. >> we sat down with the contender ahead of south carolina's primary vote. take a look. >> i want to ask you something else we talked about on the show, bob woodward came with a big folder that said "trump" on it and he said "we're going to go after this guy. he is going to be the next nominee and nobody's gone after him." i said, bob, they've written all the articles, nothing seems to stick to him. and i said the bigger question is not why the press hasn'tç investigated him -- because they have -- the question is why doesn't anything stick to him whereas everything seems to stick to hillary clinton? it's got to be frustrating for you to see sort of the double standard not necessarily among the press but among the voters but why do you think that is that nothing sticks to donald
trump but if you wrote something in 1973, the press would be chewing on it for two weeks? >> foryou said something in 1994 someone would hold up a sign and take it out of context in front of a speech you're doing. >> which we saw today which is ridiculous. >> i have a couple responses to this. i think part of the reason why i'm going to be the nominee and the next president is because i have withstood all this. i have been vetted. i've been at this for decades now and despite all the incoming, i'm still here, i'm still forging ahead because i think in most cases most people kind of see through it and we go on together. the vetting on these other candidates has not even begun. and it will. and iç think if you look -- my best memory on this, joe, is that the republicans in nevada had fewer voters turn out than we did in nevada. i think it was like 70,000 to 80,000. that's a very small group of
people who are making this decision right now. when it moves to the general election, i think you're going to see a real seriousness of people whoever the republicans nominate turning and saying "what do we know?" wbr id "wbr51720" it's most likely going to be donald trump, though, isn't it? right now it looks like that but i'm not going handicap their race. how surprised are you knowing donald trump as long as you've known donald trump? and i said she's exactly right when you answered the question, you said "he's fun, he's an interesting guy, he's fun." how surprised are you that we are finding our -- we woke up after nevada and everybody in washington said "oh, my god, this guy is most likely going to be the next nomination." i didn't know him that well but i did know him. but it's been most surprising to me to see somebody who was affable and was good company ç and, you know, had a reputation of being bigger than life really traffic in a lot of the prejudice and paranoia and some of the comments that he's made /b
which has been so divisive and mean spirited doesn't quite fit with what i thought i knew about him. so i think it will be interesting to see what -- if he does get the nomination he decides to do with it how he presents himself. but he has really been offensive and in many respects surprising to those of us who did know him. >> let's talk about the e-mail controver controversy. sometimes your spokespeople wil come out and say that this is a republican attack. it's the right wing going after you again. but obviously the fbi is involved? >> well, there's two things -- >> and the "new york times" has been reporting on this for some time. so you could take elements of benghazi and say republicans were driving this for a political purpose but here you
ot suggesting the fbi here you investigation is politicized are you? >> no, but there's two different things. there is a security inquiry going on and if we respect that, it's on its own timetable but it's moving forward. but the other one, the lawsuit, they're not talking about the security inquiry, they're talking about judicial watch. >> not the underlying investigation. >> no. so there are two different things. i am personally not concerned about it. i think there will be a resolution on the security inquiry. the litigation others have brought -- and some of them are right-wing outfits, those will proceed and i'm not worried or concerned about them. i just don't want people to confuse the two. >> so in the early primary states, younger women supported
a 74-year-old socialist man. [ laughter ] a man, man, as austin powers would say.ç it's a man, man! what do you make -- there were news stories along the wbr-id "wbr53520" way looking at how women connect with you. i think it comes down to trust issues again, possibly not. maybe you tell me. what's going on? especially with younger women. i think with younger women -- i think they have every reason to feel like things are kind of messed up. a lot of them have gotten a education with a huge price ago attached to it with student debt. they're not getting the jobs they thought they would get. i think there's a lot of real frustration. and i've talked to many, many young people and even -- not just those who support me, those who support my opponent and that's what comes through. it's like, hey, the economy has failed us, the government's failed us and you know we're excited by somebody who says
we're going to change it all, we're going to start all over again. i totally get that. i can vaguely remember being that age and feeling a little bit like that myself. so i keep saying i want to meet people where they are and particularly young people. that's why iç put forth all of these ideas about student debt and college affordability. the things they talk to me about and also tackle a lot of the barriers, whether it's racism or sexism or anything else that is worrying them. >> equal pay. >> equal pay. huge issue. and young women ask me about it all the time. so i've said many times, look, i know a lot of them are not for me right now but i'm for them and i feel very optimistic when we get into the general election against whoever the republicans nominate, you know, there's going to be a clear distinction that i'll be able to build on and i'm going to take people where they are and a lot of young people are very worried about their futures. at the same time, they're the
among the most generous and tolerant. you have two at home. they're generous, tolerant, open minded. >> they're willful, they're materialistic, they can be very selfish, too. >> stop talking about your daughters. >> i think what we want to do, though, is love them as they are and then try to figure out how do we create a better path for them so when i say theseç thin like i want you to have all the opportunities that you deserve in america. it's not hollow. it's got real meat to it and they can believe it with. when i draw contrasts with senators sanders, it's not because we disagree on goals. i want to get to universal health coverage, too, i just think i have a better way of getting there. so we have a real dialogue. that's what i'm looking for. >> speaking of a real dialogue, when we've been around the country for the past seven or eight years talking to group after group, whether it's the 92nd street y or roural alabama
we're struck by how much people are alike, how their views of america are so similar and how they're concerned about the same thing and that is that we have a government that doesn't work. and whether it's a very liberal audience we're speaking to or conservative audience they always ask why can't they talk to each other? you understand if republicans elected, democrats are politically going to try to knock their heads off.
there is no substitute for building relationships and i'll tell you a story which might surprise you. but in the '90s, i have a passion about foster care and adoption and what we can do to make it better, more kids get permanent homes and i was trying to figure out, well, who could i get in the congress to work with me on this? so i did my research and found out tom delay had been a foster parent. i called him up. he was as surprised to hear from me as i was surprised to be calling him and i said "congressman, would you work with me on a big reform on adoption and foster care?" silence, he said "well, what do you want me to do?" i said "come to the white house, we'll have a meeting and figure out how we can do this." and he did. i'm not sure i could have found
any other common ground than that one slice, but that's what i want to do. there are people there who are honorable, who care about solving problems on both sides of the aisle. how do we begin to connect with each other, to see each other as human sfwhbeings? you and i know there are outliers who will never compromise, but they're still thankfully a minority. how do we have a more open process to bring people in, to listen to them? i thought what patti murray and paul ryan did after the government shutdown in the fall of 2013 was a textbook example. they were charged with go get a budget. we've had this reallyç bitter experience. they didn't start by walking into a conference room flanked by their acolytes carrying binders. they had breakfast together. they called each other on the phone. they actually got to know each other as people. what a novel idea. we've got to get back to that. i know it's hard because people
fly in, they fly out, they're not there, we don't have the opportunities. i think what you've heard and what you both have experienced traveling around is people across our country want that to happen. we just have to do more to create the conditions where it's a win-win as much as possible. i will also stand my ground on things i don't agree with, but let's try to find as much common ground as possible. >> president clinton said governors and presidents can't afford to have long memories. >> yes. >> we''ve heard stories in the press before about how you're tough and driven and you remember people that slight you. when you're president of the united states, is that your governing philosophy as well if you get elected president of the united states? that you need to have a shortç memory and you need to wake up every morning and forget about what happened? >> absolutely. when i got to the senate, lindsey graham was my colleague. >> lindsey, yeah.
>> and we started to get to know each other. there was a lot of history there, as you know, and then we teamed up to get health care for national guard members. i travelled with him and john mccain. is we got to know each other and that is exactly what i will do. there are very few people orcyv events in politics where you say you have to write somebody off. there are a couple where people really do things that are just so inimmickable and really indefensible. but otherwise you take people where they are, try to get to know them better and find that common ground. when i was shepherding the start streety through the senate, i spent countless hours on the phone in meetings, what do you need, how do we doç this? what expert do you want to talk to? how can i do this to reassure
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that's a loophole that my opponent voted for where you have to finish the background check within three days and if you don't finish it, too bad, you still have to sell the gun. the killer in charleston, that young man filled with hatred and racism, went to buy a gun at the end of three days they didn't have all theç information but under the law he was entitled to get it and he got it. and only later did they find out he had a criminal conviction, he
should have never been able to buy the gun in the first place. and you know what he did, he took that gun and he went to church, he went to mother emanuel. >> that was secretary hillary clinton contrasting her record on guns with that of senator bernie sanders. joining us now, mayor stephanie rawlings-blake as baltimore, she serves as president of the united states conference of mayors and secretary of the democratic national committee. mary kiss i donny deutsch with us as well. let's bring up the issue of guns. a big problem in baltimore. a lot of guns used in crimes and murders in your city are acquired illegally. they don't go through the traditional background system check so how do you get those guns out of the system? how do you stop murders happening in baltimore? >> it's interesting you say that. we had a case last year where 30 guns a weekend were coming in from out of state. it is a huge problem and that's why the conference of mayorsç
again bipartisan organization. we're not republicans. we are asking for the candidates for president and those who wish to lead our country and congress to be real about how we can step the tide of illegal guns. we need a federal government to invest and protect and we say protect, we need stronger partnerships between federal law enforcement officers so we can stop this onslaught of guns that are destroying our cities. >> what do you say to gun advocates to who say some of the places with the strongest gun laws like chicago for example are some of the places that have the worst gun crime statistics. >> i would say just really need to stop it. how many shootings does it take. how many children have to die on our street before they realize they can't just say no. they can't just block it. let's figure out what we can do. it's so sad that that we are stuck in this country not willing to stand up to say that
you might haveç what can we doo make our country safer? >> you know well the "wall street journal" gun advocate say this is not a question of having laws. this is a societal problems, not the guns that are the problem. >> let's be real about the problem is. it's black on black violence and that's something the mayor isn't speaking about and that's what we should be speaking about. we should also be speaking about the real problem which is politicians running against the police forces. what worked here in new york city was stop, question, and frisk which kept guns off the streets and protected the largely minority communities in our urban areas here in new york city. that worked. but now you have a federal candidate, candidate for president running against the police, stoking racial tensions instead of stepping back and
saying how do we solve the problem based on what's worked in the past. >> would you like to respond? or i can."#m rjtjj$)jjq)e to st. the facts are very clear. i talk about blackon black crime all the time. we have a call to action for african-american men to step up and into the community. but what we heard from her is the same stuff we're always hearing, a bunch of gibberish and no solutions. you can point the finger all you want, that doesn't make us safer. >> well, and i'm -- with all due respect, mary, i have lesser issues with stop and frisk as long as they go to every community and stop and frisk. >> well, you have to target the communities where the crime is occurring. the crime isn't occurring on the upper east side of new york. >> do you know how many people are getting hauled in for mare w -- marijuana in their pockets and lines around the corner with citations that get thrown out,
that throw people off course who are already struggling to get on course. are you kidding me? stop and frisk, fine, but bring it to your community and mine as well. and have the white kids with the pot in their pockets brought into jail as well. >> i think criminal justice reform is a separate issue and i think there's bipartisan -- >> no, it's not! it's not a separate çissue, if you're stopping and frisking you're screwing with the criminal justice system and throwing a ton of minorities in there. >> there is a bipartisan consensus on capitol hill for criminal justice reform. i agree with you on that, but you have to protect these communities now because it isn't is 1% elites on the upper east side who are at risk today, it is the largely black and hispanic communities in places like baltimore, chicago, new york. by the way, cities that are ruled by liberals and have been ruled by liberals for decades. these are the people that have to be protected and i'm sorry, i have proposed a solution, stop question and frisk works. >> and creates massive racial
tension, gene, can you help? >> well, look, there was a federal lawsuit, a successful federal lawsuit against stop and frisk in new york city and whatn the few instances when police did stop and frisk whites in white neighbor hootds they found illegal weapons and contraband at a higher rate than they were finding in minorityç neighborhoods. so the issue with that policy was always would it kill you to stop and frisk some white guys? would it kill you to stop and frisk -- yes, in the upper east side and lower manhattan and in places where, guess what, we don't find crime because we don't look for it there. so clearly the policy was applied in a discriminatory fashion, they had to revise it because that was the finding of a federal lawsuit. >> do you care about appearances or do you really care about black lives? that's where the murders are actually happening is in those
communities, black on black crime. that is why the police went to those communities. >> mary fairness is not a matter of appearance, fairness is fairness, equality is equality. you can't apply a policy in a discriminatory fashion and that is what was found in a federal lawsuit that us cad the policy to be changed. >> stephanie. >> what she's suggesting is the way that we solve america's problems is to continue to make minorities second class citizens. again, not real solutions. my hope is that maria and the rest of the peopleç who are so unwilling to take on the nra, look at themselves in the mirror and get real. we know that we have crime in minority communities, in poor communities, regardless of race, but what she is saying doesn't help. we've seen where the divide between the community and the police has caused. look at baltimore. caused huge problems in our community. we don't want to see that again and the solution is not going to be just stop more people. we know it's wrong. >> this is a conversation we need to continue obviously.
my daughter by the way loving baltimore and is working in the community. >> i love to hear that. >> volunteering and tutoring. it's got a lot of great things going on, especially in the arts community. >> thank you stephanie rawlings-blake, eugene robinson and mary kissel as always. "morning joe" continues as we come right back.
up next, after being whipped into shape by chris christie marco rubio comes out swinging
at donald trump during last night's republican debate. could it change the race or is it too little too late? he lifted the hammer. that's good. plus more from our sit down interview with hillary clinton including the moment she says she realized some voters are having trust issues with her and what she plans to do about that. moeblng is back in a minute. was engineered...
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streets. >> gentlemen. gentlemen. please. >> i want to clarify something. >> i want to move on. >> that attack -- >> i want -- >> he says the government doesn't support healthcare. >> gentlemen. gentlemen. >> we are having a lot of fun up here tonight. i have to tell you. thank you for the book. i really appreciate it. >> donald, relax. >> i'm relaxed. you are the basket case. go ahead. >> don't get nervous. >> myç name is -- >> -- makes anyone nervous. >> people are actually watching this at home. >> you don't know what's happening. >> gentlemen. >> okay. now -- >> hold on. i'm going to get my answer. >> i want to move on. what i've seen up here, i mean, first of all, this guy is a choke artist and this guy is a liar. >> this guy always -- >> you have a combination of factors other than that i rest my case. >> this is the typical thing he does. >> one at a time. gentlemen. governor kasich, you have the floor. >> i get a response to that.
>> you will have a response but i promised governor kasich he can respond. >> can somebody attack me, please? >> whoa. whoa. [ cheers and applause ] that kind of sums up the night. can somebody please attack me. please? please? did you see that? >> look, it was like fruit salad. it was fruit salad. >> on fire. somebody poured gasoline on it and lit a match. good morning, everyone, it's friday, february 26. >> that was a hot mess. >> a hot mess. >> at one pointç i tweeted, th is -- you know, this is a disgrace because -- >> i don't know. >> -- even after that section soon after that they were yelling, willie, at each other for about two minutes uninterrupted. >> right. >> all three yelling at the same time. >> well, in that clip there the frustrating thing is they were all talking over each other and it's like let's stop, you talk, then you talk, then you talk. i thought that was an ugly part. i will say right from the beginning marco rubio did
finally what everyone has been asking him to do. >> he came out fighting. >> he fought. >> we will be showing some of that, donny joyce is here as is sam stein, in washington republican pollster and columnist at the washington examiner kristen soltis anderson and in houston managing editor for bloomberg politics mark halperin. we were in touch with him all night as he was analyzing this firsthand. >> give us your report card, mark, really quickly. i gave marco rubio and donald trump a minuses, again, my grades are based on performance and how the performance affects the candidate's chances of being a nominee. rubio's performance most surprising is he never flinched. everyone else who has gone up against trump in these debates have had moments they have flinched, i don't think rubio took trump down but i do think he showed a fortitude and a lot of people and rubio were wondering why didn't he do this
sooner? >> any impacts. bloomberg came out with polls that shows donald trump absolutely crushing everybody in the deep south, marco rubio saw two florida polls yesterday showing him being crushed in his home state of florida where he is a sitting senator. eqn your mind given what's happened over the past nine debates? >> i don't see any reason to think that this would separate any of donald trump's supporters from him and i think he last night was his normal self. he stayed on message, he had moments where he was really under attack and he held his own and i think he talked a lot about what he wanted to talk about. i gave ted cruz and john kasich bs and ben carson a c plus, but rubio's performance while strong doesn't eraseç the huge gap he has not just in florida but in that bloomberg politics poll where trump is in the southern states voting on tuesday way ahead, even though voters know that he is not the most conservative person in the race. >> we're going to get to an incredible moment of the night but first we should let everyone
know we flew down to south carolina yesterday, we have a big interview with hillary clinton to show you, extremely wide ranginranging, sat down wi well over a half an hour. >> it was fascinating. she was very relaxed. she was what she had been in 2008 when she really went on that run. >> so that's coming up as well. but back to the debate. there was this moment where rubio demanded trump offer explanations for his healthcare policies and then look what happened. >> be aware of this, donald, because you don't follow this stuff very closely because here is what happened, when they passed obamacare they put a bail out fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money to bail out companies when they lost money and we led the effort and wiped out that bail out fund. what is your plan?ç i understand the lines around the state, whatever that means, this is not a game where you draw maps -- >> and you don't know what it means. that's the problem. >> what is your plan on healthcare? >> the biggest problem he's got
is he really doesn't know about the lines. the biggest thing we've got and the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have -- you have -- >> you already mentioned that as part of my plan. i know what that is but what else is part of your plan? the only thing is to get rid of the lines around the states -- >> the lines around the state -- >> that's your plan. >> instead of having one insurance company taking care of new york and texas you will have many, they will compete and it will be a beautiful thing. >> so that's the only part of the plan? just the lines, the interstate competition? >> you have many different plans. you will have competition. you will have so many different plans. >> now he's repeating himself. >> no, i'm not. no. no. no. >> mr. trump. >> i watched him melt down on the stage like i have never seen anybody. >> let's focus on the substance. >> let's talk about your plan. >> it says five things, everyone is çdumb, he's going to make america great again, we're going
to win, win, win, he's winning in the polls and the lines around the state. every night. beautiful. it was a beautiful thing. >> that's america right there. >> what a difference between the democratic debates and the republican debates. where you actually talk about policy in the democratic debates. >> the democratic debates are one-on-one now and that really does help. >> i don't think anybody is paying attention to any of the substantive issues there, i think clearly rubio had a very, very strong night. he was on the offensive and what i think he did is what i would do if i was advising anybody to go against trump, go after him as a businessman, trump university, you've hired immigrants. i don't think it makes a difference, though. you are if you are a trump supporters, you were lensing it through that's my guy, he was punching back and if you didn't like trump you still don't like him. had rubio started that way we
would have been a different race. >> there is a devil's advocate theory about rubio's night is he spent all this time crafted an image as someone who elevated positive thinking, forward looking, the future of the party and to get into the mud with trump might have hurt that brand as a branding guy what do you think? >> i don't think it hurted him at all i think he added a dimension to it. it was not, okay, this is not a guy looking to the future. this was a guy who punched back and did not flinch. i was shocked because if you go against trump it's tough to keep your footing but i thought for the first time trump was in the position of not even defending himself but at least having to swat those things away. it was a strong night for rubio. i don't think it moves the point picture. >> here is the thing, though. i'm with mark halperin. if you look at the polls, you look at the fact he's 20 points down in his home state, marco rubio, you look at how badly most of us think other than donald trump how badly most of us think donald trump did in
south carolina, the south >> so we thought. >> compared to last night. that's what i'm saying -- >> it doesn't matter. >> that's why i say it doesn't matter butç this is why it matters to marco rubio, because rubio and cruz are not just fighting for 2016. marco rubio is losing in the next 11, 12 -- he is going to lose 15 primaries in a row. he's not going to probably even get to florida, but do you know what, rubio and cruz have to prove to their donors that they are worthy in 2016 to be in poll position. marco rubio can't hear over the next three years, marco, i'd give you money again, man, but you had -- you had the chance to fight trump and you never did. for marco rubio to be able to raise the money that he needs to raise in 2016, he had to do what he did last night. i doubt it's going to move the polls for him that much, maybe a little bit. here is another thing, too, willie, if it gets him ahead of
ted cruz by instead of half a point, one, two, three points and he can go into 2020 going, do you know what, i took on ted cruz, he had more money, he had a better organization and i beat cruz and then he starts naming the states. >> right. >> because these two guys are young, they are like in their mid 40s. i çmean, how old is marco? >> 44, i think. >> 44. so in 2020 he's going to be 48 years old. so he had to do this because we were all saying, his donors were all saying, all the writers were saying why is he scared of donald trump? he proved last night even though it's not going to make a difference he is not scared of donald trump and if he's going to be the future of the republican party, which he has been called by "time magazine" and every else he has to prove by punching back. >> if you talk to them he's not giving up this time around. he still believes if he gets in a one on one with trump there is a way. you may disagree with that --
>> it's not that i disagree with that. it goes back to willie. if you look at every super tuesday poll, he is out for four right now, down in all 11 super tuesday states, probably lose 15 in a row and then he's got to go to florida where he's down 20 points. if he's 0-15, 0-16, 0-17 he doesn't run in florida because he knows he's got a bright future he may be governor in '18 or run for senator agaifç in '1. >> it brings up the point why didn't they do this type of attack against trump months and months and months ago. you remember 2008 hillary clinton the inevitable candidate and everyone was asking barack obama go after her during a debate, this was in the fall of 2008 and it took actually chris dodd to go after her in that debate, going after her on undocumented citizens, driver's licenses in new york for her to finally get the gleam ripped off of her. you're wondering if they had done in back in september, bakt back in october would it have made a difference? >> no.
>> you don't think so? >> listen, i have to say this again, donny, just following up with that question, if any debate performance was going to hurt donald trump it would have been south carolina. it would have been south carolina. >> we went back to september. i'm telling you if you just for the first time out of the box were watching that -- were watching that debate, you would say, wow, rubio is the guy and trump is not really a viable candidate. you're coming in now lensing it through the trump win, win, win. soç there's so much equity in m right now, there's so many built in graph a tas. >> people are finishing his sentences for him. >> if you watch last night fresh you would say rubio was the guy, but too little, too late and it's just not going to happen. >> we put up a story yesterday about how these campaigns didn't even put up a research to get trump over the summer because they assumed he would go away. last night was a research debate, they could have done that months and months and months ago had they prepared.
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tomorrow in south carolina hillary clinton looks to notch her third victory of the democratic presidential primary race and we sat down with her yesterday in that state for a wide ranging conversation about the issues and her candidacy. >> so as you know on our show we sort of speak our mind, for better or worse sometimes for candidates, for you sometimes worse. >> we didn't make her laugh right at the top. >> over the past couple days we have said for better that you seem to be a different candidate since nevada. in fact, the second you got up on stage and started speaking in
nevada,ç reminded me of the hillary clinton from 2008. what was different? what is different now? >> that's a great observation. i don't know. i think it does take me a little bit longer to get into the rhythm of campaigning, to feel what i'm doing and how it's working and i felt just really good. we hit our stride in nevada. i felt like not only was the gain and -- campaign and message of breaking all barriers taking hold that people could understand it but i felt like we were on the upward trajectory. >> you also said something, too, in an interview, i'm not sure which one it was, but it was we've been talking about how calculating you were and how it seems to be not the person that we know personally, but you said in an interview earlier this week that your biggest challenge was convincing voters that you were not interested in what was
best for you. >> right. >> you had to convince them that you were doing this for them. >> right. right. >> talk about that. >> well, you know -- >> ndç at misconceptions that u may feel you've been fighting. >> i have to -- this has kind of come to me over the last months because, you know, it is painful, it's hurtful to have people say, oh, i don't trust her, i don't know why she's doing it and it suddenly struck me, well, maybe there is this underlying question, like is she doing it for herself or is she really in it for us and i've always thought of myself as being service-oriented, always believed that i was in it for, you know, trying to help people get a better shot in life, even the odds, and i think i'm just going to keep reaching out, talking about what i've done, what i will do and making the case that people can count on me because they always have in the past. >> so somebody said something else very funny today when i said she just seems different
and she seemed different this week, she's more relaxed, she's what we've been saying all along she should be and it's really surprising and i think it was halperin on the set said, no the clintons actually have a 30-year history of near death experiences and then ç resurrections. so the question is why don't you just make it easier on yourself and forget the lazarus routine and just make it easy from the gaining for your supporters and friends? >> okay. let's do that from now on. i like that alternative. that's an interesting observation. and there may be some truth to it. >> right. >> because part of it is, though, i always feel like i am carrying a big weight of responsibility for so many people. i really do have this sense that a lot of people are counting on me, a lot of people are expecting me to help them, a lot of people are really in my corner and i think that does sometimes get me a little bit, you know, tensed up to be
honest. i think i'm inflicted by the responsibility. >> since we're getting ready for the interview and mika was writing things and she was writing notes and everything i was sitting here talking, how are you guys doing -- >> it's how a man prepares and mika said, man versus me fretting over every note and carrying notes, she was like do you want notes? i wasç like no. do you ever look at your husband and how he did it and go, it's not fair? >> well, look, i think mika and i understand this and maybe it's because, you know, still today when you are a high achieving woman, particularly one in the public eye, you really are just expected to perform at a higher level all the time. >> right. >> and there are not enough experiences with different styles or different approaches that women make -- men -- my goodness, there's a million different ways you can be successful, you can communicate, all the rest of t i'm not
telling you anything you don't know. i'm not a natural politician like bill clinton or barack obama. so for me it really came through the root of service, it really came through my deep conviction that, you know, we had to make sure that this country we all love kept producing opportunities for everybody and i see that narrowing and i see people being left out and it upsets me. so i invest a lot of energy and a lot of my own emotion into what i do and i think sometimes insteadç of that being as easyo understand as i would like it could be it sometimes is a little bit nerve-racking. >> right. >> we actually saw that with jeb. a guy who knew policy forward and backwards, but in 2016 it just didn't seem to be interpreted as well on the campaign trail. >> you have a lot of different branding and messages out there, you have donald trump make america great again. >> right. >> bernie sanders, the system is rigged. what is your message simply? >> break down the barriers so
america and americans live up to their potential. that is it. that's what i care about. that's what i've always done. that's what i'm talking about. i feel very comfortable talking about that. and it hit me because, look, i care deeply about the economic barriers, i think i have the best idea about how to help create jobs and get incomes rising and all the different things we have to do to get the economy growing but economic barriers are not the only things that hold people back. we were just talking about some of the gender-related issues that hold women back, there's race, there's lgbt discrimination, there's -- you know, a lot ofç reasons why people feel somehow pushed down or left behind. so using this barriers metaphor really works for me because it helps me organize everything i'm talking about, knocking down barriers to quality health, to good education. we are in a county here where we're doing this interview and it's one of the i-95 counties
that there was a big documentary saying it was the corridor of shame because the schools are so poor, they're falling down, kids are not being educated, they don't even have enough teachers. that's a big barrier. no matter how, you know, loving your family might be, you don't have those opportunities, that's going to hold you back. that's how you now think about what i want to do as president and it really helps me maybe do a better job of conveying that. >> so let me then ask you, you expressed concern about being held to a different standard as it pertains to the wall street speeches and you said you would release the transcripts when the republicans do. but isn't it more important perhaps to be transparent to democratic voters abotá what you said to big banks behind closed doors? >> well, i think i have been transparent. i have a record. i'm not coming to this for the first time. people can go back, they can look at what i said and what i did when i was a senator. i'm the one who called out wall street. i actually went to wall street
in '07. i said, you guys are going to wreck the economy. i went after hedge fund loopholes. >> so where did you say that? where did you say you guys -- >> back in december of 2007. i even ran an ad in the '08 campaign, it was in '07, warning about the mortgage crash and so i'm on record. i have gone after these guys, i have been pointing fingers at them, i've been introducing legislation. so people who want to know about my public record, it's there to see. people want to know what i will do as president, everybody says who has looked at it i have the best plan to reign in wall street to prevent them from ever doing what they did to us before and i just want -- i want to move toward a level playing field. as i said, happy to do it when everybody including republicans do it. >> don't you want to get ahead of it before somebody gets their hands onç these transcripts? >> no. i really don't. i want people -- i want people to look at my record. people are treating me sometimes
as though i just decided to run for president. i have been on the record on a lot of these issues for a really long time. the real question underneath this is, okay, if you take money from wall street can you regulate wall street? >> right. >> well, barack obama took more money from wall street than any candidate who has ever run for president, turned around, passed and signed the dodd-frank bill. so i think you should be judged on what you've done and i'm more than happy to put my record against bernie sanders. i mean, if you look at what caused the great recession, a bill he voted for in 2000 had a greater impact than most of the talk that we're now doing. let's get everybody out on the same field. i feel like, you know, i don't mind being responsive, i don't mind answering questions, but at some point i want everybody to have to answer. >> i respect that call. can you assure the american people that you didn't say anything in those speeches that would undermine your promise. >> absolutely. >> to be tough on wall street
and big banks? >> çabsolutely. and besides i'm on the public record. i've told them what i'm going to do. i've said i'm going to go after big banks that pose a systemic risk. i want you to hold me accountable for that because i will do that exactly. >> let's talk about this first of all. one of the kpleef complaints that everybody have is after the bail out the banks that were too big to fail got even bigger. haven't they? >> i think they have. >> whether it's bank of america or jpmorgan, any of these big banks -- >> well, know -- >> -- if they went down tomorrow we would all be on the line for that, right? >> no, we are not going to bail them out. they have gotten bigger but have been under much bigger scrutiny. >> if bank of america came to you -- let's just say any bank we found out that what happened to lehman brothers was going to happen to bank of america, your third week in office and they said, listen, this is very simple, you let us go down atm machines across america are going to shut down and our
people aren't going to be able to get their money. you have to save us or the economy collapses. >> i said under dodd-frank we have an orderly unwin ing of your bank because you are now posing a systemic risk. >> but madam president the markets will absolutely collapse. look how badly they collapsed after lehman brothers, we need you to step in now or you will be responsible for a global depression. >> we're going to do it in an orderly way so there will not be any surprises. the reason we passed dodd-frank was to make it clear no bank is too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail. we've got to keep faith with the american people. i'm sorry that you've made bad decisions but we're going to have to unwind you and, yes, break you up. and parts of you will be very successful going forward and other parts won't and if there is any accountability that needs to be imposed on individual decisions we will also follow through on that. i think it's -- >> so you can make the guarantee today that if you're president
of the united states under no circumstances will there be a taxpayer funded bail out of these big banks? >> if they pose a systemic risk we've got the process under dodd-frank now. >> okay. >> the tools have been provided and we have to follow through on that. and the banks have to know that we will follow through. >> that's a guarantee of no taxpayer bailout? >> no, because that's what we tried to fix in dodd-frank. >> right. okay. >> my point too, though, joe, is this, i want to go further because if you really look at what happened in '07, '08 and you mentioned lehman brothers, it was investment banks like lehman brothers, big insurance companies like aig, mortgage companies like country wide. so the only culprits were not just the banks, there were others as well and i'm the only one with a plan who says, hey, guys, dodd-frank is great, it gives us the foundation, it doesn't go far enough. we need to look at these other entities that pose systemic risks as well. >> a champion on these issues a
elizabeth warren. do you see a role for her in this campaign -- >> this is a recurring theme. you can feel my pain right here. >> i have the highest regard for her. i think she's doing an amazing job. she signed a letter two years ago urging me to run for president and we consult regularly, my staffs consult regularly with her staff. so i am very --ç >> let me ask you this follow-up question -- >> very much interested in what she's doing and what she thinks we should be doing. >> let me ask mika's follow up question. will you consider her as vice president? >> i can't get presumptuous, right now i have to win the nomination and then i'm going to, you know, take a deep breath and maybe get a good night's sleep and then start thinking about that important decision. >> i wasn't going to ask that, but okay. >> you're glad i did. i want to ask you about something else we talked about on this show, bob woodward came with a big folder that said trump on it. he is going to be the next nominee and nobody has gone after him and i said, well, bob,
actually they've written all the articles, nothing seems to stick to him. and i said, the bigger question is not why the press hasn't investigated him, because they have, the question is why doesn't anything stick to him whereas everything seems to stick to hillary clinton? it's got to be frustrating first of all for you to see sort of the double standard not necessarily among the press but among the voters, but why do you think that is, that nothing sticks to donald trump but if you wrote something inç 1973 t press would be chewing on it for two weeks? >> or if you said something in 1994 someone would hold up a sign and take it out of context right in front of a speech you were doing. >> which you saw today which was absolutely ridiculous. >> i have a couple responses to this. i think part of the reason why i'm going to be the nominee and i'm going to be the next president is because i have with stood all this. i have been vetted. i mean, i've been at this for decades now and despite all the incoming i'm still here, i'm
still forging ahead because i think in most cases, most people kind of see through it and we go on together. the vetting on these other candidates has not even begun and it will and i think if you look my best -- my best memory on this, joe, is that the republicans in nevada had fewer voters turn out than we did in nevada. i think it was like 70,000 to 80,000. it's a very small group of people who are making this decision right now. when it moves to the general election i think you're going to see a real seriousness of people,ç whoever the republica nominate, turning and saying, what do we really know about this guy. >> it's most likely going to be donald trump, though, isn't it? >> right now it looks like that but i'm not going to handicap their race, i will let them decide that. >> how surprised are you knowing donald trump as long as you've known donald trump -- and i actually said she's exactly right when you answered the question why did you go to his wedding. he's fun, he's an interesting
guy, he's fun. >> yeah. >> how surprised are you that we woke up after nevada and everybody in washington said, oh, my god, this guy is most likely going to be the next nominee? >> i didn't know him that well but i did know him. >> right. >> i think it's been most surprising to me to see somebody who was affable and was good company and had a reputation of being kind of bigger than life really traffic in a lot of the prejudice and pair annoy i can't and some of the comments he has made which have been so divisive and mean spirited doesn't fit with what i thought i knew about him. it's going to be interesting to see if he does get the nomination what he decides to do with it, how he presents himself.ç but he has really been offensive and in many respects surprising to those of us who did know them. >> let's talk about the e-mail controversy, discoveries moving forward a couple days ago that
news broke. sometimes your spokes people will come out they'll say that this is a republican attack, it's -- it's about the right wing going after you again, but this obviously -- the fbi is involved, "the new york times" has been -- "the new york times" has been reporting on this for some time. so it's not like -- you could take elements of benghazi and say, okay, republicans were driving this. >> right. >> for a political purpose, but here you do have an fbi investigation. you're not suggesting the fbi investigation is politicized. >> no, but there's two different things. there is a security inquiry going on and, you know, we respect that, it is on its own timetable but it's moving forward. then there are these lawsuits and i think when people say, well, look, you know, this lawsuit, that's what they're talking about. they're not talking about the security çinquiry, they're talking about judicial watch -- >> not the underlying investigation. >> no, not at all.
no. so there are two different things, they get conflated sometimes. i am, you know, personally not concerned about it, i think that there will be a resolution on the security inquiry. the litigation that others have brought and some of them are, you know, right wing outfits, those will just proceed and, again, i'm not worried or concerned about them, but i do think it's important not to confuse the two. >> president clinton said governors and presidents can't afford to have long memories. >> yes. >> we've heard stories in the press before about how you're tough and you're driven and you remember people that slight you. when you're president of the united states is that your governing philosophy as well if you get elected president of the united states, that you need to have a short memory. >> absolutely. >> you need to wake up every morning and forget about what happened yesterday? >> when i got to the senate lindsey graham was my colleague. >> lindsay, yeah. >> and we started to get to know
each other. there was a lot of history there as yá÷ know, and then we teamed up to get healthcare for national guard members. i traveled with him and john mccain. we got to know each other and that is exactly what i will do. you know, there are very few people or events in politics where you say you've got to write somebody off. there are a couple where people do things that are just to inn i'm cabell and inn defensible, but otherwise you take people where they are, you try to get to know them better and then you try to find that common ground. when i was shepherding the new start treaty through the senate i had to get a bunch of republicans. i spent countless hours on the phone, in meetings. what do you need? how do we do this? what can i say to you to reassure you, what expert do you want to talk to? i'm really hands on about this because i don't think there's any way other than to do that.
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positive, if there's any silver lining out of this tragedy is it is my hope that the american people will look at flint and say, never again can we allow a community to undergo this. and while flint may be the canary in the coal mine, there are a lot of other canaries all over this country. >> that was bernie sanders speaking in flint, michigan, about the water crisis there. and now jackson, mississippi, has reported finding lead in its drinking water as well. i wonder if there's more to come. joining us now former white house adviser for health policy and vice pro voss for global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania dr. ez eek y'all people mule. also with us leading spine surgeon and author dr. dave campbell. >> zeke, what's it çmean, man?
what is lead now in jackson, mississippi, mean and i remember getting public service announcements like in the '60s saying don't let your kids eat lead. i can't believe we're talking about this 50 years later. >> my father was a leading campaigner against lead paint in chicago in the '60s, i very much remember the same thing and it causes brain damage, it causes an uptick in crime among the kids. >> how did this happen in jackson, mississippi, now? >> i think it's happening throughout the country. we know that we have hundreds of billions of dollars of problems with our water and sanitation system. we have not kept them up and the problem is that they're corroding and one of the corrosions is that lead leeches out and kids drink it. we all drink it and it's a problem for all of us, for kids in particular because they have developing brains. >> who is most at risk? >> by far young kids, babies that aren't even born yet because it targets the neurological system and the
changes that dr. zeke was talking about last forever to a certain extent. behavioral problems, learning problems, cognitiveç problems, all that stuff leads into adult life. >> guys, is this a precursor? can we expect over the next ten year 74 nor problems? >> that's what i'm worried about? >> it's a given that it's dangerous, the question is how prevalent is it and what's coming? >> if you look at the u.s. civil engineers they do an assessment of infrastructure in this country every few years and they have been warning that we have all these infrastructure problems, highways, bridges, but also water systems. i will tell you in my brother city, he is inn vesing over $4 billion to replace every pipe in the city of chicago and he has this nice pipe that they gave him, it's a log that was hollowed out in the late 1800s that was still carrying water in chicago. this is a big problem across the country. i don't think jackson,
mississippi, flint as someone said they are canaries in the coal mine and we have to invest. >> they are not exceptions. this is a case actually where a failure to invest in infrastructure actually is going to cause us long-term health risks? >> this was a little difb)ent. flint is much bigger than the canary in the coal mine. it was many, many times worse than jackson, mississippi. they were investing in some new infrastructure when this happened in flint, they were trying to save some money and it backfired because they didn't account for the chemical reactions that were occurring when they switched from lake huron water to the flint river. >> and we should also say lead is only one part of the water problem there. there was legionnaires' disease that has ended up killing seven or eight people and making about 90 people sick. so the water system actually has a lot of health implications and we -- i think we don't invest in our peril. this is one of those issues that should be bipartisan because it's the key for both health and in the long-term saves money.
>> in jackson the maximal lead dose was about 150 parts per billion. in flint it was 13,000 at its single peak. that's a tremendous difference. so the exposure of over 8,000 kids in flint is what we are all watching and waiting and worrying about and there is a whole lotç you can do about it once you're exposed, the treatments and drugs don't work well to reverse the effect. >> let's talk about the debate last night. healthcare again gets into it. donald trump keeps talking about the ability to negotiate across state lines with other insurance companies. that makes sense to me just like using our power as the biggest purchaser of drugs to get pharmaceutical companies to negotiate down a price. >> right. >> makes sense, too. i don't know like you said before that he can put all the meat on the bones but instincts seem right. do they or not? >> i don't think that's going to solve any problem and i will
tell you why. >> which one of those? >> well, allowing competition across state lines. >> the insurance companies. >> the affordable care act already permits that and actually every state keeps or retains its right to regulate insurance companies. so one of the problems is you can say whatever you want at the federal government, ultimately states have the veto power because of state insurance commissioners. >> why is there such a lack of insurance companies for healthcare? >> well, in many states, take alabama, you know, one insurer has about 80 or 90% of the market. >> why is that? >> blue cross blue shield. historical reasons and employers don't switch that much and they have, you know, done -- i think donald trump is right, typically in states not at the federal government but in states that are in bed with the legislators who -- by. >> by the way, can we get that on a loop, dr. zeke just said donald trump is right.
>> that the politician -- that the insurers have worked with politicians for a long time. >> doesn't it seem insane that you have like again in some states one insurance company dominating a market to the tune of 80%, when you have all of these other options, again, it's not market driven. so they've got everything by the throat. >> no, it is a problem and it's also a problem that with the new healthcare laws it is those insurance companies that set the copay and deductible. so this year, 2016, in practice i can tell you the deductible that kigq" in in in january has stopped thousands and hundreds of thousands of people from actually having access to the plan they have because they can't afford that. even though the bronze plan is fairly inexpensive you can't pay the copay or deduductibleductib >> you have university access to healthcare you just can't afford it. >> you cannot afford step one which is paying your deductible. >> how do we fix this?
how does the next president fix this? >> i do think we will probably see some limits on the deductibles and i think you already see employers beginning to shift off that, but the substitute is they need healthcare costs to stay under control and i think one thing they're going to be looking at is narrow networks and reducing the deductible for using those narrow networks. i think that's the trend. >> really quickly give me a report card on the affordable care act, all in, where we are now versus before it came, scale one to ten. march 23rd is six years. we've done pretty well. 17 million people have gotten insurance because of this, actually despite our talking about high healthcare costs the fact is that healthcare costs have(bden flat for the last few years. i mean, not flat but they've been much better under control. we have actually a lot more innovation. >> one to ten. >> one to ten i would say we are about a 7. >> so, dave, you practice every day on the front lines and have been, well before and after.
what do you rate the affordable care act? >> i would give it about a 3 because of the fact that you cannot access that 17 million people cannot access healthcare often because they are already fairly poor. >> well, first of all, they are fairly poor, but we put in the affordable care act that you get preventive care for free, no copays, no deductibles, we have made a lot of other changes that do allow people to get in especially when they're sick. i agree, are there reforms we need to do, yes, but we're much better than a 3. >> it's a 5. >> okay. zeke and dave. >> we were a lot better in january of 2016 in our hospital and surgery center where it was a void in january, schedules were blocked, my gi fellows and colleagues told me yesterday januarqç was a void it was because of the copays -- it was the deductible. >> the deductible we have to fix the deductible. >> we all agree on that. >> very good. >> okay. >> dr. zeke, dr. dave, thank you, guys. we love having you.
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young people used to think he was so cool. i mean, this was him in 2008. >> three-pointer right there. >> and now he's considered less cool than this guy.
he's playing basketball with pens in his pocket. hold on a second, that's 2 pointsç for me. >> welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned today. donny. >> hillary clinton looked very, very relaxed, seems like you might have been a little too chummy with her in the interview. >> hillary? >> i don't know. it seemed a little just nice and friendly. >> i got it. >> too chummy, joe. >> exactly. exactly. >> what did you learn today, joe? >> you know, i learned that the debate last night was considered by most people a win for marco rubio, the question is does it have any impact in in race. i suspect it won't have as much of an impact here as it does moving forward for marco rubio because he will be back four years from now wanting to run for president again and he needed to hit back hard last night. he did. >> okay. and i learned that i -- hillary clinton has focused in on her
message and -- >> yeah, she looks strong. >> -- she has found her voice for this campaign. >> i think we all learned that. she is light years ahead of where she was a week or two ago. nevada has helped her relax and madeç her -- >> who has chuck todd got next? >> it's steve kornacki. steve kornacki picks up the hammer and our coverage from atlanta after a quick break. have a wonderful weekend, everyone.
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and good morning. i'm steve kornacki live in atlanta, georgia. we are at more house college today, home of the fighting maroon tigers. we will be talking to the school president, we will be talking to students, potential first time voters at this famous historically blaj college in this critical super tuesday state and super tuesday of course now just four days away, butç this morning we are goingo start we are where all eyes are and that is on the republicans and last night's show down in houston. what a showdown it was, marco rubio finally taking off the gloves and going after donald trump, something his supporters had been urging him to do for months
unbeatable nationwide coverage. no contract. the samsung galaxy centura android smartphone. tracfone. do everything for less. i am julie bandaras. this is the fox report. marine sergeant back on u.s. soil and the judge ordered his absolute release. after months in a mexican jail they argued for his release. he was not getting adequate care behind bars. the family is thankful for mexico doing the right thing. >> certainly they are glad to have been reconnected and grateful for the judge, certainly a just conclusion to this end.
it is worth emphasizing that their system focuses on rehabilitation and in the order it mentions the need for treatment. >> mexican inspectors arrested the sergeant after seizing weapons. he got lost and crossed in mexico with three registered guns. he tried to escape. the obama administration spoke about it. and ta hmooressi made a formal statement. they were pushing mexico for a swift and just resolution. the prosecution acknowledged he suffered from pspd. and now he is home with his
family. william is covering the story in the u.s. and mexico. william, how big of a role did the diplomat pay. >> u.s. pressure at least sped things up. we were told that the legal process had to play out in a a sovereignty country. >> but they spoke with mexican officials including the attorney general and after days of pressure the attorney general withdrew the charges and the trial judge a quited andrew and ordered his release around 3 o'clock p.m. yesterday. >> i have been on line with the attorney general from mexico and he was lecturing about the rule of law and i shared how it goes
one sided between the two countries. tahmooreessi spent days in prison. he cleared the customs at the border and after seven months he is in florida with his family with what we are told he wants a steak dinner. >> what else do we know? >> very little. tahmooreessi's family said he needs privacy and needs treatment. it was that argument that convinced the judge to release him because he couldn't get care in mexico. the family spokesperson said the priority is now rest and reunion with his family. >> they are back together. you know, it was a very nice reunion this morning and i think
they will spend time as a family. i think, he's been in custody for seven months now. and i think he needs time and space. did the lobbying help? >> it is unclear how much. it is more coincidental that the judge made the ruling following all of the pressure from certain u.s. officials. it came sooner than we thought, julie. >> william, thank you so much from los angeles tonight. >> later in the show, you will hear the coverage from gretta. she will do the first interview right here on fox. we'll stay tuned for that. after months of seemingly endless tv ads and campaigning. it is now this. three days away from the critical midterm election and they are reaching the few
undecided voters and senate races are going down to the wire. kansas, there is a state that is strongly republican for decades. and incumbent senator pat roberts trading by a point. a race crucial to republicans if they hope to bring up the seat in january. carl is in cameron. you got ahold of greg orman. how is the race going? >> reporter: we got ahold of him and it took a while to get him. it orman is hard to nail down and arguing that all he wants to do is break down the two party
system and change washington with all of the grid lock. he had a misstep that could give an opening.g. the bus full of republicans including bob deal and an icon here was part of a clown car. and that prompted robertson for not recognizing one of the republican icons of the state. >> that was a cheap shot. i don't know i am not sure that greg orman that said that. it might be a campaign person. he owes bob a policy. it shoes how out of touch his campaign is with kansas. no one in kansas is going to say anything bad about bob deal. >> reporter: of course, mr. orman said he was not trying to insult mr. doyle, but republicans in washington. >> i have nothing but the utmost
respect for senator doyle. i talked at length about senator doyle as the example of the kind of senator and representative that we need in washington and someone to roach across the aisle and forge a consensous among people with different ideas and get things done for the american people. >> reporter: asked if he would sit on the republican and democratic. he said he would go with the the majority and raising questions on who mr. orman can be trusted. >> and tomorrow, carl, you will head to kentucky i understand. what do you tell us about the overall landscape there? >> reporter: it is where the senate majority is and he is in a tough case with grimes. and fox and other poles. iowa and north carolina, republican joni ernest pulled
out a lead. and in north carolina it is between kay haggen. and tom tillis. >> that is part what democrats call the fire wall in order to keep the majority. in colorado, that one is very, very close and some suggest it is likely to go republican, to. >> all right. carl cameron we'll so you through wednesday morning. try to get sleep before then. >> fox news is america's head quarters and watch us for the analysis of the midterm. bret baier and megyn kelliy will lead our coverage. beginning at 7:00 p.m. eastern and eric and shaun and i will
continue 1:30 and 4 o'clock eastern morning and then on fox news radio from 7- 9:00 a.m. looking forward to a lot of slopelessness. this is wayne state university in detroit. president obama campaigning for the democrat cappedidate for senate. this is the first time out stumping for any democratic senate candidate. it is for the senate race anyway. and we are monitoring his remarks and we'll bring it to you. and new developments on ebola to tell you about. a nurse who defied quarentine orders. and scoring a legal victory over the state of maine. and a doctor battling the deadly disease now getting encouraging news. brian is outside of bellview hospital where that doctor is being treated.
what is the latest? >> it is good news for dr. craig spencer whose condition is stable. he remains in isolation and getting the same type of treatment and anti- viral and successfully cleared a ebola patient. and remember dr. spencer returned from volunteering in guinean and he was in new york city and later diagnosed with ebola. the ensuing controversy led governors to lead to mandatory quarentine. the judge in maine lifted an isolation order citing irerational fears. hick ox can go wherever she wants as long as she reports
immediately if she becomes symptomatic. >> the three points are three points that i believe is part of the good compromise this we can make. >> governor paul page said as governor i have done everything i can to protect mainers. and the judge had these restrictions and i believe it is important but the state will abide by the law. >> and canada, that country decided to stop exit visas from nationals and resident from west africa. and that is in the west coast. >> and that is a 21-year-old woman now in isolation in the providence hospital in portland,
oregon. and she came down with a 102 fever and considered low risk. and she has been actively self monitoring and taking hers. and now we are expecting blood tests and results to come in on monday. and she was staying in a liberrian pastors home. julie. thank you very much. >> and what do you think. should main governor appeal the ruling to treat them out of quarentine to self monitor? >> we'll read your tweets later in the show. and things getting back to normal for a dallas health care worker who survived ebola. nina pham reunited with her dog. they had been apart.
but the king charles spaniel emerging from the 21 day quarentine with a clean bill of health. >> it is a reminder of hope and encouragement for me moving forward and fulfilling my life with my best friend at my side again. snshs bentley was inoisealation in a military base with veternarians checking on every day to make sure he was okay. >> and a manhunt under way for a suspect who ambushed a police officer with an ax. this comes after another man attacked a new york city police officer with a hatchet. and authorities identifying the pilot who was at the controls in the virgin aircraft broke apart. we learned new details about the co-pilot that survived.
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>> authorities now identifying the pilot. and federal investigators arriving on the scene along with virgin founder who was vowing to figure out what happened. >> we are not going to push on blindly. to do so would be an insult for all of those affected by the tragedy. we'll learn from what went wrong and discover how to improve safety and performance. >> andom nick is live in the newsroom. what is the latest? >> reporter: the local sheriff told me that the lone survivors is going into surgery in the hospital after being rescued with the crash site with major injuries. and the procedure would be on his shoulder. we know he is 43 years old and
the navy engineer that is part of the designer for the past 18 years. and the ntsb was there. and they flew in and should be able to piece together what happened. >> this is a test flight and they are typically very well documented in terms of data and we may have a video feed and a lot of evident that will help us with the investigative process. >> and also the switching of the new type of fuel this year and another area of priority, julie. >> tell us, is this the end of the space towerism or is branson try it again. >> probably not. virgin has a second spacecraft under construction and should be completed in the end of the
year. it is a setback when he knows what happen. >> it is one that can be fixed. and then i hope it will be back on track in 4- 6 months time. if it is not fixable it is serious. >> it will be how long it takes to complete the investigation. >> thank you so much. breaking news, a deadly fire raging out of control in a university. several people managing to make it out alive. plus, that sea of lava in high school creating unusual challenges for law enforcement and janice dean bringing up a frosty looking work out. and a reminder to share with you in turning back the hands of time. sked people a simple question:
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here. and officer was sitting in the squad car and he hit the driver's side window and the officer struggled with a man who got away by the way. there is no evidence linking the man who attacked the new york police officers and they are not ruling it out as a possible copycat attack. and in hawaii. thieves are slowing down and stalling 500 feet from the road. the flow is active and putting out. and police arrested two people who are sticking golf clubs in the lava and accusing them of trespassing on private property. >> and meanwhile, back on the mainland. chilly overnight lows and meteorologist janice dean.
hey. >> extra blanket and the heat is on in the deep south. and overnight lows and 33 in atlanta and 39 in new york city and the big race and marathon is tomorrow. and north wind and that is tough for the folks running that race. and freeze advisory for at least a dozen states. and we have had record- breaking now in the mountains of carolina and tennessee. and this is going to wind up and bring more snow to new england. and several inches for you. and the bull's eye of the snowfall will be in northern maine. new york. this will clear out. and we'll deal with blustering conditions. and then we'll have to watch
another one moving in from the west and that will perhaps give us a damp day for elections. on tuesdays, showers and thunderstorms from texas all the way up to the great lakes. this is a look for the election day forecast. and northwest, unsettled weather for you and certainly watching the central u.s. and julie, i am so excited about this. and day light savings time and we fall back and an extra hour of sleep for us moms. >> we don't get an extra hour of sleep. i am not kidding. >> i wish they would watch the news. >> how about an extra glass of wine tonight. >> and in the morning, too. i have no problem drinking.
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>> this is it the fox report and to the top of the news. a u.s. marine jailed in mexico is now a free man. the judge ordering his release after seven months behind bars citing the need for treatment. >> he was delivered and released to the mexican immigration authorities in the border, and was transferred to our custom's and border patrol and was taken pretty quickly to an airport san diego. >> sergeant tahmooressi is with his family in florida. he accidentally crossed the border with weapons in his car in march. >> here is the reaction to the
release today. >> how dow make a wrong turn. but we went out to san diego, and retraced and oh, this is exactly the turn i would have taken and the roads are mismarked and california has since then this fall because of this incident changed their signs as a result. >> and it was so bizarre to me. and what was most significant to me, mexico never charged with trying to sale guns. it was simple possession and if you made a mistake to enter mexico and didn't intend to be there. you couldn't violate the law. you intend to be in mexico and violate the law. he was accidentally in mexico with possession and that meant they thought it was merely an accident. >> the marine sergeant goes on
the record with gretta in the coming days. stay tuned for fox with the coming details. >> only three days until the midterm. campaigns and outside groups on both sides are flooding the air waves. howard is here in our studio and the fox news media analyst. and always great to have you. and election time is interesting. mudslinging occurs and happens on television and ads and they spend a lot of money to expose the darkness. >> and the air waves are bomb boarded. and abortion is a hot, much gene sha heen making claims. >> and they show us the focus and what they were twisting. and you can see republicans and
democrats. abortion is a hot issue in new hampshire with charges against the republican senators from massachusetts scott brown. they showed this ad. and the republicans in red and democrats in green. scott brown said. i am pro-choice and that is not how he goes. scott brown sponsored a bill so employers could deny women for birth control. and force them to look at color photographs of developing fetuses. democrats gave them a top score of 80 out of 100 and republicans 64. >> senator sheehan uses the attack by republicans. and it does well. >> brown responded on camera. >> they are calling it in question the support for women's health care and i want you to know the facts. i am pro-choice and i support
continued funding of planned parent hood. senator sheheen said it was not a smear and brown's response sidestepped the allegation. employers can't be forced to cover services if they have a religious or moral objection. and co-sponsored a massachusetts bill that would have required a 24 hour waiting. they are unable to get an abortion without acknowledging in writing they didn't receive descriptions including covered photos. and democrats like brown's more than republicans. >> and when you saw him doing that response, you want to get off of the defensive on abortion. and instead, president obama and was standard. >> and there is more ads in the
country? >> absolutely. a lot of democrats are trying to get the female vote. and talking about birth control and in colorado, mark udal, the democratic senator. and his opponent corey gardener saying i am pro-choice and over the counter birth control. they see that sort of viciousness and they think they are a mean person. everyone hates negative ads. both sides are doing it. and voters concern over the
parts of the law. and that is what the cost would be. what they report back to me was not necessarily positive news. >> it is like 8000 deductible. and going down 5000 co-pay was over 400. >> and fox news goes indepth with bret baier. and obama care in new hampshire. it is tomorrow. he will be talking nothing but midterms. there is so much to come here.
new reports of the pure brulitality of isis. they shot dead 50 men and women in the an bar province. what is a mass executions in that region. 1200 iraqis died and they don't include the mass killings by isis. air strikes continue in syria and iraq. five air strikes around the tea of kobani on the border of turkey and syria. kurdish fighters are in a street by street war with isis. and a terror warning for british citizens. officials in uk taking unusual steps and issuing a global terrorist warning because of fears of british terrorist
warnings. >> this is not based on specific intelligence. but officials want their citizens to be vigilant. >> and 12 are confirmed in the top story around the world in 80 seconds. colombia, officials say a pipe feeding water to equipment inside of the coal mine exploded and sending water surging inside. 28 miners managed to escape. the mine accident in colombia have risen because of the illegal moins and lax safety standards. honduras. a bus carrying a group of religious missionaries plunges over the cliff side. it was taken them to an area of
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and senator mark beg itch and sullivan are locked in a tight race. alaska is much more quiet than earlier today. >> reporter: yeah, you got that right. the calm before the storm or after the storm. jowly, this is a seat that the republicans have been eyeing for a long time and the polls looked good. but it shoes it is very, very close. democrat mark begich is an upon astute politician and we caught up with him as he looked for more volunteers to get-out-the-vote. and he is telling alaska they will lose clout in washington d.c. if he is defeated. that is ironic, the state lost clout when he was elected after
stephenson was convicted for a felony. this is a reality. >> reporter: republican challenger dan sullivan is lot less visible. but getting big name help. texas senator ted cruz, a tea party favorite is with him in fair banks and mitt romney in the state. romney beat obama by 14 points in alaska. >> he's running a disciplined campaign. they have been successful at managing his time in front of the cameras, because with a novice candidate you want to be careful to avoid
overexposure. >> more votes have been cast. and republicans outpaced democrats. but that is not a big surprise considering that the gop has a 2- 1 registration over the democrats. the largest group of them are nonpartisan. those folks will be deciding who goes to the senate in alaska. julie. >> dan springer, thank you very much. growing concerns of voter fraud. they are accused of breaking the law to make sure they come out on top. eric shaun has the story. and voter cases are popping up and in tennessee, charged with finding votes. and state representative indicted on 19 voter fraud
charges. >> and in long iowa land they investigated several voter fraud allegations. >> i think it is often exaggerated and i don't condone it and it is important to be vigilant against it. >> reporter: in maryland it happen on 20 machines and could not replacate it in the testing. they raised eyebrows a list where people can vote without a voter id. north carolina, they taped campaign workers that a illegal immigrant can vote. georgia mason estimates in 20086.4 noncitizens voted and
gave obama his win in north carolina. fewer citizens voted in 2010. and the nevada secretary of state russ miller who created a task force say they are on guard. >> they are making sure the people have confidence. and you have to have a diligent set up and go after those individuals. >> there is double voting in nevada and candidates who are not eligible to run. >> be sure to watch fox nows for the results and analysis. bret baier and megyn kelliy will lead our coverage and we'll be here 1 to 4:30.
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plot to attack the u.s. capitol inspired by isis, foiled by the feds in an undercover operation. chilling new images from inside the hostage siege in paris as al qaeda says it was behind the massacre at that magazine that hit newsstands again today. scare in space, american astronauts scramble to safety in the middle of the night. measles outbreak, the biggest in years and traced back to disneyland. tonight, the scramble to track down those who may have been exposed. and a cliffhanger, two men with the summit in their sights. we are there live tonight in yosemite. "nightly news" begins now.
>> announcer: from nbc news world headquarters in new york this is nbc fightly news with brian williams. good evening. the feds say they were onto it early, but tonight they've announced they've stopped a plan apparently inspired by isis to attack the u.s. capitol and those inside it. it's an example, they say, of the kind of lone wolf attack that can get its inspiration from people and movements overseas. we begin tonight with late details from our justice correspondent pete williams in our d.c. newsroom. pete, good evening. >> brian, good evening. u.s. officials say this is precisely what they worry about most, someone in the u.s. becoming inspired by terrorist propaganda to carry out attacks here at home. the fbi says 20-year-old christopher lee cornell of green township, ohio, wanted to set off pipe bombs at the u.s. capitol and shoot people as they fled. investigators say he came to their attention last august when he posted pro-isis messages on twitter using an alias, raheel
mahrus ubaydah. court documents say he discussed his plans with a man he thought was sympathetic but who turned out to be working undercover for the fbi. according to investigators cornell said the former al qaeda figure awlaki and others had expressed the view this kind of jihad was the right thing to do. cornell was arrested earlier today after he bought two assault-type rifles like this and 600 rounds of ammunition. >> spent at least enough time with these particular officers to know that i was in good hands. they knew what they were doing and they exuded a lot of confidence. >> federal officials insist there was never any danger because the man was under close surveillance for months. he didn't build pipe bombs and didn't even buy the components for them. >> pete williams starting us off from our washington newsroom. thanks. it's taken a full week, but one of the most likely suspects in the terrorist attack in paris has finally claimed responsibility for it. al qaeda in yemen says it was
behind the bloody assault on the offices of that satirical newspaper called "charlie hebdo." but rather than being silenced the paper put out a new edition on the stands today. clearly it's bigger than ever. we have two reports on all of it tonight. we want to begin with nbc's richard engel in istanbul. richard, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. the last year isis has been dominating headlines overshadowing al qaeda. something about dangerous rivalry is emerging, a game of one-upsmanship between the two groups. with the paris attacks, al qaeda is launching a comeback. the attack on "charlie hebdo" last week was al qaeda's most high-profile operation in years and today they bragged about it. in a video al qaeda in yemen claimed it targeted the magazine for insulting the prophet muhammad even laying out the chain of command behind the attack. ordered by alzwarhi, osama bin laden's successor. planned and financed by
american-born cleric anwar al awlaki before he was killed in a u.s. drone strike in 2011 and carried out by cherif and said kouachi. reports suggest the brothers got their automatic weapons from this man, amedy coulibaly who purchased them from a belgian arms dealer and has now turned himself in to the police. coulibaly also bought the two machine guns he used to attack the kosher market. new images from security cameras show him inside the market wearing a bulletproof vest. his hostages huddled in fear. some of them order today disable the security cameras. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: coulibaly killed four of the hostages before police stormed the market and killed him. his suspected accomplice, hayat boumeddiene, left paris before the attacks and came here to istanbul before disappearing into syria. the investigation is yielding new suspects daily, but the real focus now is preventing the next attack. richard engel, nbc news,
istanbul. >> reporter: this is bill neely in paris where people waited hours to buy the magazine terrorists tried to kill off. it normally sells 50,000, it sold out fast 3 million copies. many bought it to defy the terrorism. >> i wanted to buy this one to -- >> reporter: 3 million copies sold, another 2 million ordered in numerous languages. the cartoonists say this issue of the magazine depicting on its front page a tearful prophet muhammad is a triumph for free speech. in muslim areas of paris they disagree. they say showing the prophet muhammad is provocative. >> more provocation. >> why you talking about my prophet? it's not your religion. why you talking about this god? >> i think it will bring a civil war. >> reporter: you think a civil war is possible? >> civil war is coming, yes.
>> reporter: police have now charged this famous muslim comedian who identified with one of the killers with advocating terrorism. more than 50 more muslims have been arrested for defending terrorism, mostly on social media. the killings carried out by islamic extremists have resulted in more than 50 revenge attacks on muslims, mostly minor. the french president was talking tough today on an aircraft carrier heading to the middle east on air strikes against islamic militants. striking militants at home without alienating his muslim fellow countrymen is now his biggest challenge. today, a week after the massacre this magazine became the biggest one-day sellout in french publishing history. tomorrow, secretary of state kerry arrives here to discuss the aftermath of the massacre and how to stop another one. brian. >> bill neely in paris, richard engel before that. our team remains on this story. gentlemen, thank you both. word out of washington tonight, a major shakeup on the
way in the u.s. secret service. the agency is removing four high-level officials from their posts after a series of embarrassing incidents and dangerous lapses. among the men and women charged with protecting the highest office in the land. we get our report tonight from our white house correspondent kristen welker. >> reporter: it is a major overhaul for an agency in crisis. four assistant directors are being tossed out of their current posts and reassigned. acting director joe clancy saying in a statement, change is necessary to gain a fresh perspective on how we conduct business. those being replaced come from every corner of the department. dale with director of operations paul morsi, investigations jane murphy governor mental affairs, and mark copanzzi. in an interview with brian last month clancy signalled big changes. >> we have zero tolerance with misconduct. we've got training in place. we've got an integrity board in place.
>> reporter: the agency is trying to come back from a series of security lapses, among them agents getting caught with prostitutes during an official presidential trip to colombia in 2012. a fence-jumper making it all the way inside the white house late last year. >> this may be a really critical moment for members of the rank and file who have been clambering for a change in leadership. >> reporter: brian, each of the four reassigned employees has more than 30 years of service. no word on their new assignments. all of this comes after an independent report described a culture of low morale and poor leadership at the secret service. brian? >> kristen welker on the white house north lawn tonight. kristen, thanks. now a tense day in space for the astronauts on board the international space station and for mission control here on the ground at nasa. the crew, two americans, one italian, three russians, were forced to take refuge and safety in the russian side of the space station as onboard alarms warned of a possible toxic leak onboard
in the section normally occupied by the american astronauts. we get details tonight from nbc's tom costello. >> reporter: floating 250 miles above the earth, space station astronauts spent much of the day wearing emergency oxygen masks testing the air after early morning alarm bells warned of a possible ammonia leak in the cooling system on the american side. the order from mission control, don the masks, get to the russian side and close the hatch. >> bottom line is we get all the experts coming in now, everybody's poring over the data, we have the smart folks taking a look at it. >> reporter: an ammonia, toxic leak, rapid decompression, fire or smoke event are among the most serious emergencies on the space station. any one could force the crew to abandon the station in a russian capsule. >> these kinds of emergencies start with protecting the crew then trying to deal with the issue. and then if in the end we can't deal with the issue, some of them can result in evacuating the station. >> reporter: the six crew members were supposed to spend the day unloading a resupply
spaceship launched by spacex. but as they hunkered down in the russian section, mission control became more convinced it may have been a false alarm caused by a bad computer card. >> there is no data at the moment suggesting that there was in fact a real ammonia leak. >> reporter: veteran astronaut scott kelly is preparing to spend a year on the station with cosmonauts. >> especially with the crew members, the cosmonauts, we're great friends. we have to work together. we have to rely on each other literally for our own lives. >> after running air quality tests all day, mission control gave the all-clear to the as sfroe knot astronauts just after 3:00 p.m. tonight it is all resumed normal operations. >> tom costello in the safety of washington, d.c. tonight. tom, thanks. over the better part of these last three weeks we have witnessed the test of human skill and endurance really unlike any other on a mountain unlike any other.
and tonight we have witnessed the culmination of all of it. two men have completed what's been roundly described as the most difficult free climb in the world. nbc's miguel almaguer is right there at the very top of el capitan in yosemite forest tonight. >> reporter: brian, good evening. this is the moment that has been so many years in the making. we were here live when kevin -- when tommy caldwell and kevin jorgensen came up the mountain, were greeted after climbing 3,000 feet up el capitan. they gave their wives hugs, they popped champagne. they are still hugging family at this moment. my colleague hallie jackson has been following their journey for the last several weeks. >> reporter: it's a moment seven years in the making, but 19 days ago no one knew if it would happen. after tommy caldwell and kevin
jorgenson started the hardest free climb in the world. their shredded fingertips grabbing granite flakes as thin as dimes. inching up a section at a time, one slip means starting over. ropes there only to catch them, not to help them. between climbs life suspended on a wall each night sleeping thousands of feet above the valley floor. >> think about everything you done in the last two and a half weeks, every time you went to the store, every time you had dinner, they were on that cliff. >> reporter: as momentum builds the meadow below fills with onlookers eager to learn more about the two friends, jergensen's childhood climbing competitions, caldwell's escape after being kidnapped and a freak accident that left him with nine fingers in a sport where sometimes even ten aren't enough. >> all of these hardships he's been through all have led up to this moment for him to be able to say this looks impossible but i'm going to try it anyway. >> reporter: from a distance the
climbers' families feel each triumph and tension. >> oh, your heart just drops. you know how bad he wants to do it. talk about tenacious. >> reporter: jorgesensen slipped again and again until finally he didn't. >> i couldn't be happier. >> reporter: that's when they seem unstoppable. >> this is a view that i'll always remember. >> reporter: two friends climbing into history proving the impossible may not be. the folks up top could probably hear the cheers of joy from the meadow down below 3,000 feet beneath them. and while there is a sense of elation, it's also bittersweet. as tommy caldwell's mother told me this is a realization of a dream but also the end of one. >> hallie jackson at the base, before that miguel almaguer at the summit, miguel might have gotten the better part of this deal. still ahead tonight, we'll go back to miguel almaguer at
the summit and we'll show you how we managed to beat the climbers to the top in just one day. here's a broad hint. there is a back way but it's still a pretty tough climb. first, up next a major outbreak of measles traced back to disneyland and spreading as families return home. a scramble to find everyone who may have been exposed. . . . .. ..
we don't hear much about it because outbreaks are few and far between, but measles has been slowly making a big comeback.
2014 was the worst year since 2000 for measles nationwide. triple the number of cases over the year before. and it appears a new outbreak may have started as a destination known better to millions as the happiest place on earth. we get our report tonight from our chief medical expert dr. nancy snyderman. >> reporter: take a person infected with measles, combined with thousands of disneyland tourists and you have the recipe for the worst measles outbreak in california in 15 years. doctors are scrambling to get ahead of this. >> disneyland is the perfect situation because lots of people lots of children. >> reporter: it's a serious yet preventable disease that has now spread beyond california with reports of 26 ill people in utah, colorado and washington state. >> it can lead to blindness. it can lead to encephalitis. >> reporter: symptoms are dry
cough, runny nose, red, watery eyes and a rash. people can spread measles up to four days even before the rash appears. a significant number of people in this outbreak were not vaccinated, either opting out or too young to get a shot. in long beach, california, one infected patient went to multiple stores. this gym posted a sign about the measles outbreak prompting questions from customers. >> do we need to get in and get another booster? do we need to worry about it because we've already had the measles. so we called our doctor first. >> a child gets the first dose of measles vaccine at 12 to 16 months of age and then the second one between 4 to 6 years and right now even adults are considered candidates for getting a booster. this one, i think, is going to take days if not weeks to receive our attention. >> nancy, thank you as always. we're back in a moment with
a high-speed chase on the water that got way too close for comfort. all of it caught on camera.
look at the size of this storm. that's the u.s. on the left. this is a single weather front. it stretches all the way from the lower 48 all the way across the atlantic to europe and beyond. upper level winds have been incredibly strong across the ocean this winter. recent passenger flights to london reported being carried along at speeds that fell just shy of the sound barrier. passengers got to london from new york an hour early. one british airways pilot said it was like surfing on the jet stream all the way across the atlantic. scientists have confirmed most of us have something they call cold empathy. it means we actually feel colder when we are just looking at someone who is shivering and obviously cold. and it's a powerful sensation.
volunteers who watched video of strangers putting their hands into cold water actually witnessed their own body temperatures drop as a result. the researchers add that while we feel the cold of others, it doesn't work the other way around for warmth. box office revenues were down over 20% this past summer from last summer with the national average ticket price now at $8, over half of movie goers told pollsters recently they're increasingly staying away because going to the movies has simply become too expensive. finally, the driver of a speedboat in a national park in zambia had reason to believe there was something in their wake in the water just behind their boat. sure enough it was a hippo, the size of a voexlkswagen bus. the most dangerous mammal in all of africa just feet from the stern, so they sped up and got out of there. when we come back we'll return live to miguel almaguer
3,000 feet up at the summit of el capitan. celebration just under way at yosemite.
earlier on in our broadcast tonight we brought you an incredible moment as those two mountain climbers reached the peak of human achievement and
the summit of yosemite's el capitan. it took them 19 days by hand. our team made it up to the top in a single day. they made the journey the way a lot of hikers and tourists do, which is they went the back way. which is not without its challenges we should hasten to add. we get our report tonight from nbc's miguel almaguer. >> reporter: our hike to the summit began at 5:00 a.m. along a treacherous trail through the backcountry. eight miles and ten hours to the top of el capitan. it's pretty rocky, pretty steep. you can see the terrain we're dealing with here. it's also quite breathtaking. there's the falls right there. you can see it iced over. shot at the valley. and our crew behind us who's working their way up this hill. the yosemite's trail is popular for thousands of hikers each year, the view of the waterfall north america's highest at roughly 2,400 feet, is
spectacular. we're accompanied by a guide, but once here most hikers turn back. it looks intimidating. that's the top of the wall we're trying to reach 3,000 feet up. we've come a long way from this valley floor. it's cold up here, but that's good for hiking weather. we've reached a mile marker here. we've got about 4 1/2 miles to go. still a lot of distance to cover. a good stretch of the trail is actually covered in snow. that's where we've reached slowed us down quite a bit. it's really slippery. it's like ice literally. there are a hundred trails up to el capitan. it was first summited in 1958. for those who make it to the top, the reward is pure beauty the view of a lifetime. for those who reach the summit, whether it was up that shear granite wall or around the back trails like us, there's pure joy and celebration going on right now atop here. and there is word tonight that the president may call these two climbers.
brian? >> well-done up there, miguel almaguer at the summit of el capitan in yosemite. from new york that's going to be our broad kaft on this wednesday night. thank you for being here with us. i'm brian williams. we of course nbc bay area news begins with breaking news. >> that breaking news in the east bay. a chaotic scene at the new park mall. this is in newark. a car crashed into the macy's department store just a short while ago. you see our nbc chopper overhead. down below you can see several emergency vehicles are on the scene. once again, that's the macy's there, new park mall. there's also police tape up over the entrance. not surprisingly this macy's is now closed. now, the mall is just off 880 near the mowri exit.
initial reports are the car drove through the doors and made it inside. we have a crew arriving on the scene as we speak. we'll bring you more information as it becomes available. a new era for both bay area football times tonight. in just the span of a few hours, both the raiders and 49ers signed new head coaches, jack del rio and just a few hours later the 49ers announced one of their own, former defensive line coach, jim tomsula, would replace jim harbaugh. we begin with gene live at levi's stadium. and gene tomsula knows what he's getting into as the head coach of the 49ers. >> reporter: he does jessica. he's been with the organization for eight years. so he knows the team. 49er fans here at levi's stadium say they are excited for a change. they may not know his name, but they're hoping he can deliver some much-needed encouragement. they're hoping he can jump start the football team and deliver a season filled with wins. jed york says after a thorough
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>> i am julie bandaras. this is the fox report. a teacher may have saved people's lives when she intervened in a teacher. the first year teacher confronted the shooter when he was trying to reload. four students have you wounded are in fighting for their life. three in critical. after jaylen fryberg opened fire. he started to shoot without warning and possibly targeting his own cousins. the 14 year old who was voted homecoming prince turned the handgun on himself and died of
a self inflicted wound. >> the soriano family asked they make a statement on their behalf. we appreciate your thoughts and prayers during the tragedy. our hearts go out to the other victims and their families. in the mean time police allow us our privacy as we deal with the tragedy. >> officials say extra staff is called in to help care for the injured students who are monitored around-the-clock. dom nick, what is the status on the injured victims in the intensive care unit. >> reporter: brutal injuries from a 40 calber handgun and the identities are released and we can match the faces. andrew fryberg. a cousin. one had a shot to the head and
the other a jaw. nate's condition is serious and improves and andrew is critical. two other girls are battling physical and mental trauma. much of the day was spent trying to make identifications and that was stressful for them. we have seen tears and anger. they are just grieving. right now, they are settled in, and things are quiet and they know the circumstances and they are hoping for the best. >> reporter: the classmates are saying that he lost his girlfriend to his cousin. police haven't said why he did it officially. and we'll have to wait for the official conclusion in the final
report before we know what happened, julie. >> i understand jalen fryberg was known to be a good guy. what about the recent threats he made on line? >> reporter: if you look at twitter account, you can see he is struggling emotionally with affairs of the heart. most recently tuesday, october 21st, he tweeted this. it breaks me. i know it seems like i am sweating it off but i am not and i will never be able to. it happen two months on august 20th. and tweeting this. you are going to p me off and s is going down and i don't think you will like. it and he tweets this. you are not going to like what happened next. people are asking if this is a warning sign that should have been heeded way back in the
summer. julie? >> live in los angeles, thank you,dom. >> the latest on ebola in america. three states in america. new york, new jersey putting in mandatory quarentines regardless of showing symptoms if they come from ebola patients. in the moan time dr. craig spencer, remains hospital in new york's bellview hospital and mayor deblasio trying to calm the fears. he had lunch in the restaurant that dr. spencer had four days ago. the hospital releasing an update on the doctor's condition. what did it say?
>> reporter: we learned dr. spencer is experiencing the next phase of his illness as expected. he's experiencing intestinal symptoms and they have given him treatment. he is a wake and communicating and in stable condition. doctors expect his condition to get worse before it gets better, but they are optimistic. dr. spencer arrived from giun ian and he worked with doctors without borders. he rode in subways and went to the bowling alley. some suggested that the doctor was irresponsible and should have quarentined himself. the mayor defended his actions and said he followed protocol and did great work in africa. >> he went in what is equivalent
of a war zone. it is no different than a soldier who goes to battle to protect us. >> obviously the mayor is confident in the voluntary quarentine. his fiance and two friends will be in quarentine. she moved back in the home tonight, julie. >> mayor deblasio went out of his way today to make sure the city is safe? >> he did. he and the health commissioner reiterated the different things like ebola is only contagious through bodily fluids and that dr. spencer was not contagious when he travelled around the city that week. he visited the meat ball shop where dr. spencer ate. >> our job is to be informative and every action was followed up. and each institution was cleared
and the situation is normal. >> reporter: but after the latest ips dent with dr. spencer, illinois, and new york and new jersey adopted a strict 21 day quarentine policy. the first health care worker to be quarentine under the policy came to the city yesterday and she does not have ebola according to the preliminary tests that were released today. julie. >> thank you, brian. now that three starts are issuing mandatory quarentine should more states follow suit. i want to know what you think. tweet me at the julie bandaras and i will tweet your relies. overseas to the war on isis. coalition aircraft continuing the aerial assault. in syria u.s. bombers hit an isis piece on the oud skirts of
kobani. isis has had their sights on the town for weeks. kurdish troops are holding them off. the coalition strike three units near the mosul dam and on the western city of fallujah. two service members have died. a marine was killed thursday in what the pentagon called a noncom bat incident in baghdad. >> reporter: the u.s. central command reports that bombers and u.s. fighter jets were used to take out isis' position and artillery vehicles and buildings used for the production and storage of weapons. u.s. air strikes hit isis artillery in kobani on the turkish board. we are getting reports that the militants launched a ground
offensive with the fighting concentrated on the southern and eastern areas of the town. isis has attacked the kurdish troops. they have managed to hold off the isis militants for a month, the question is if they can continue to do so. if ground troops and artillery and supplies don't come soon. in iraq there are allegations that isis militants used chlorine gas and shiit militia men last month. and that raises the serious questions of chemical weapons by isis. >> a man who attacked a new york city police officer with a hatchet has prompted the top cop to label it as a terrorist act. the tlo-year-old man was
inspired by terror groups. vail thompson went to westbound sites with isis and al-qaeda. police believe he acted alone when he charged four rookie officers with a hatchet and injured one of the victims on the head and the other in the arm. thompson was shot and killed by two other police officers. federal will investigators are looking into this case and say they are exploring all options but at the time they have no conclusions about the possible motive behind the attack. a solemn scene outside of the ottawa building as canadians pay homage to a victim of the terrorist attack. today, the nation's flag flew at half staff as people laid now flowers and wreath. the parliament building is
closed to the public. the surrounding grounds attracted sight seers. this is the gunman. in surveillance video and he then races inside of the parliament building where he died. two days before the attack another canadian soldier was killed in a hit and run. both murders were the work of canadians that converted to islam. canada will toughen the laws against terrorism. tonight gretta will examine what is the rising new threat in the terrorism circles, the lone wolf. here is a preview. >> this week in canada, a muslim convert radicalized on the internet ran down two soldiers, killing one. terror group isis walled for
lone wolves to attack. >> we'll have to call them what they are. rats. >> gretta investigates the lone wolves of terror right here on the fox news channel. right now, ten days until the midterm lengz and the balance of power. comes down to a senate race. which cappedidates will reach the most undecided and the answers will determine on how washington is run come january. we'll have an update next. and speaking of the campaign trail. republicans are getting help on the step from governor mitt romney. we talk to them about the thoughts on the midterm and whether he will try again for the white house in 2016. without compromise. to be more powerful... and, miraculously, unleash 46 mpg highway. an extravagance reserved for the privileged few.
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be the five hottest senate races. in new hampshire they are hoping that jean sha heen will keep the seat. but scott brown is making it a tight race. the average shoes sha heen leading. but that does not enclude gains or losses after the debate. and republicans are hoping that corey gardener with defeat udoll. and republicans in idio. it is an average of polls. and in georgia a nail biter. democrats want rachel nun defeat perdue. but in georgia, the winning candidate has to get 58 percent or else there is a run off. >> this is three days after congress will reconvene. imagine if the senate controls
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cousins of the 14-year-old gunman who was voted homecoming prince. he died after turning the gun on himself. >> massive investigation under way in california. two people were wounded in a shooting rampage. federal state and local authorities involved in the case encompasses a 30 mile region. two suspects are in custody. and adding to the tragedy, word that one of the officers killed, died 26 years to the day after his father also an officer killed in the line of doubt. motorcycle mike davis junior was a father of 4 and 2015 years with the sheriff's department. president obama working to address the corns over ebola. that the world must coordinate to stop the spread in africa. >> here's the bottom line,
patients can beat this disease and we can beat the disease. but we have to stay vigilant and work together federal, state and local. and lead the global response. the best way to stop the disease and keep americans safe to stop at its source in west africa. peter doocey is live in. washington. peter, we heard from the president and his critics are saying. >> reporter: it is interesting how persistent with the republican law makers with rob klain. they are knocking his credentials as a political operative but asking others why she is not the ebola czar. >> if it were a outbreak.
go hire mr. klain. but it is not. it is a medical crisis. why not you? >> right now, i have a full- time job in the health and human services and i appreciate the vote of confidence and i have a lot of confidence in mr. klain. >> today illinois joined new jersey and new york to quarentine anyone landing from sirrer where or guiny. they are trying to stop them from taking commercial flights. >> and democrats in congress are realistic and despite the protocols put in place, they are not ruling out another case of ebola here in the state. >> as new york officials said last night. they had hoped they would not have to face an ebola case. but they did. they were also realistic, and
they worked diligently and professionally over the last month to prepare themselves for this day. there are many questions about this new case, but we can't assume it will be the last. >> we are learning that an air force plane to transfer the blood will not be quarentined because blood samples were handled like hazardous materials and there was no indication of leakage. >> and thank you so much, peter. >> the number of ebola has topped 10000 and nearly half of those infected have died. that is a new report by the world health organization and warned that they are low estimate because many victims are too scared or unible to seek medical treatment. the number of cases will continue to group this is already the largest ebola
outbreak in history and siting toll climbing in sierra leon and guinea. si and si mali. what do you think of illinois, new jersey and new york. do you think that more states should follow suit? we'll read your replies. mitt romney in arizona stumping for republicans facing tough elections. he has stoodie side by side candidates and democrats appear to be distancing themselves from president obama. some calling him irrelevant. molly caught up with romney where they talked about november and 2016. >> reporter: the republican
presidential nominee mitt romney keeps a packed schedule. as democrats look to distance themselves from president obama, republican candidates are eager to get close to the man he defeated two years ago. and this is a big year for republicans. he has been in 20 states this spreng and today in arizona. >> please welcome number one. (applause) >> reporter: headlining a rally for doug ducy. >> every republican candidate running would be happy to have mitt romney on the stage with him. >> reporter: he listed crisis resulting in part of what he sees as a lack of involvement on the president and this about the handling of the ebola. >> i think it is pair to krietize how the president and his administration dealt with a massive threat to america and
the world. frankly the president is once again spectator in chief. >> reporter: he said it was the president's failed leadership. and he is critical on foreign policy. >> he's tried to pull back and shrink our military and involvement and american weakness begets bad things for people. >> reporter: many republicans would like to see governor romney run again. he's not planning to run but focused on the midterpands plans to travel to kansas and nebraska and north carolina and georgia before election day. this is molly line fox news. the balance of pour in the senate on the line, one of the closest watches is in colorado. we focus on the race and the path to the american dream. it is a dream that is seemingly out of reach.
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>> migdz accomplished for the space x dragon. the unmanned cargo ship splashed down in the pacific following a month long stay in the international space station. dragon returned with 38 pounds of science experiments and equipment that were no longer needed. the capsule was built and operated by a private california firm space x. this is the fourth of 12 missions that space x is assigned to carry out in the deal with nasa. it is next launch is targeted for december. ntime for a quick check for the headlines. keeping the heat up on isis. the pentagon confirming two dozen air strikes on isis and
syria and iraq. a teacher confronted the shooter in a high school in washington state, a new teacher, new on the job and four students are hospitalized, one girl died in the shooting and the shooter who turned the gun on himself. he had gone in there for revenge. three states, new jersey and new york and illinois all implementing 21 day quarentines for anyone returning from west africa and may have had a contact with an infected patient. they are returning anyone returning. and submit to twice daily health monitoring for 21 days. and we are now learning that the new york city doctor battling ebola bread the next space of
the illness. >> with those three states that we reported, new jersey, new york and illinois which man dated 21 day quarentined for travellers who came in contact with ebola and patients in west africa we wanted to hear from you. should every state in this country do the same thing or feds man date it? first ebola patient from liberia was uninsured. cost to treat him 500000. travel ban there or quarentine there and not here. u.s. health care systemcant pay to cure them. they have no insurance. oh, my yes, feds boent and states can. and yes, all doctors and nurses should want to be quarentined. they have seen the hell of ebola, why would they bring it here? >> and adam wrote absolutely.
dannel daniel. in 2008, i want to get this right, you thought hillary would make an excellent president. as recently as 2012 you thought she would be terrific. what happened. >> let me just explain to you. when i was a businessman -- i had a beautiful story trump a world-class businessman all over the world, i speak well of everybody. they ask me about hillary, she's wonderful, everybody is wonderful. including contributions. i give everybody contributions. >> you were full of [ bleep ] when you said that. >> that's one way to look at it. it's thursday, happy thursday. may 26th. okay, now, stop it here. with us on set veteran columnist
and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. where have you been? >> paris. >> that's kind of nice. co-founder "politico" jim. >> where have you been? >> working and doing secret things. then there's donny, we know where he's been, former advertising executive and marketing donny deutsch. and al hunt with us. good to have you aboard. obviously, a lot to get to this morning. >> good news obviously. a lot of front pages, hillary clinton coming under intense fire from her own state department faulting the clintons on the e-mail server. there's the the front page of the "new york times." also, of course, on the front page of the "wall street journal." that is the big news today. >> let's start there. she was hoping to have a big endorsement, united auto workers
and 400,000 members. that's pretty big. instead this report from the inspector general's office of the state department took the narrative in a very different direction. the report concluded she violated federal records act by not turning over all official e-mails before she left office. the report found there was no evidence she requested or received approval to use her account for official business. clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. >> my personal e-mail use was fully above board, allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. >> what i did was allowed by the state department but wasn't the best choice. i have been as transparent as i could be. >> you said it was allowed. >> under the rules of the state department. >> nobody signed off on it. >> no. it was allowed. one of my predecessors have done
the same. others in the government have done things at high level. because the rules did change after i left the state department. at the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. >> as i have said many times, it was absoluted permitted. i did it and it turned out to be a mistake. it wasn't the best choice. >> jim, first of all, we said all along the state department didn't allow this. people at the highest reaches of the state department said she never asked us, it's not allowed. they kept saying it day in and day out. they talk about trust. here we have donald trump who on a lot of issues changes with the wind and is accused of not being honest and trustworthy. you look at poll numbers, his numbers are horrific, just as
bad as hillary clinton's and this is yet another nail in the coffin. >> look at the clips, she's not telling the truth, i think she's trying to convince hers. she said it was authorized, it's okay, not a big deal. the report says, no, no, no, you're wrong. this is her state department. she ran the state department. the ig running the investigation. you have two candidates who 60% of the people think dishonest. you look at this week of the campaign. it's going to be a battle of negativity. >> clinton maintained the server was never breached. the report tells of one incident that an adviser shut it down under concern it was under attack. footnotes tell of an incident
that hillary clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her e-mail after getting an oom with a suspicious link. they should be notified. in the report, no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. >> donny, this goes to national security. biggest concern is national security. people act like there's much ado about nothing. actually a lot of classified documents, materials going through the server. the great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. >> not a knife to the heart but a flesh wound. in the advertising business brand positioning, brand support. if her brand is
untrustworthiness, this is one more in there. this is going to be equally gross counter-punching. how would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. he would be saying, e-mails. you're kidding me. me, colin powell, made a mistake, look at hillary clinton, she killed convenience foster. the difference is trump, no matter what you throw at him, he's got the counter-punch. no matter what you throw at hillary she never has a way of swatting it back. it's not devastating, if the game is to make trump less temperamental and less emotionally unstable, you could move the needle. >> here is the problem, though. trump, he lies about trump success. he lies about some of the success of his business
ventures. he flip flops on issues where he was a reality show host when he took those positions. and it seals like it's down here. with hillary clinton you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified e-mails, classified information and 22 e-mails that the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on america's national securi security. when we're talking about honest and trustworthy, i don't know she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. >> we've been talking about the top of this story, headlines of this story, lead of this story. within the report there are other devastating issues. the fact she declined repeatedly
inspector general's request for an interview. of other secretary, colin powell, condoleezza rice, all were interviewed. >> goes to that bunker mentality of secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. >> in june 2011 the state department, secretary of state, sent out a cable to all consular and diplomatic posts urging them and commanding them, basically, to stop using home e-mail for anything having to do with state department business. yet she did not follow that edict. a cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. >> so when she says it was allowed. >> she never asked for permission. the inspector general stated she never asked for permission to use a personal e-mail and he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. >> he's salivating. he's not only got lyin' hillary he's got dangerous hillary will
she's dangerous. she can't be president. >> entitled. >> he's got 10 new words for her. by the time this is done, it will seem like according to trump she sent directly to putin e-mails she wasn't supposed to. >> you know, joe, what this could really mean, i don't know how the public reacts to this and goes, whatever, turn the page and go to the sport page but adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons and these a huge burden for her to carry. >> a lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and on paper say this isn't going to have a big impact outline, a big impact on hillary's numbers. who cares about the e-mails. what we believe and what we've seen is you go to the subset question of ones and trustworthy. it has had a devastating impact
on that. let's remember hillary clinton was a woman with approval rating around 65, 66% when she left the state department. her numbers have plummeted. and in large part i've got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. again, it's not from breitbart, it's not from drudge. this started with "new york times" and here we have hillary clinton's own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these e-mails. >> joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for tag her from 60% approval down to 30% approval. i think it really is serious and it raises another question, what kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have? why didn't someone say, i'm sorry, madam secretary, you should not do this. she shouldn't have done it but she should have had people around her raising questions,
enablers, that raises questions about who is surrounding her. i agree with everything said. she broke the rules. that's really bad. the really big issue here is did she break the law and that will be determined in the next couple weeks. if that should happen, which i actually suspect they will rule she didn't, joe, but i don't know, if that should happen it would be lethal. >> let's go through some of the details here that are troubling and definitely conflict with what she said before. clinton campaign released a statement that said this. inspector general's documents, just how consistent her e-mail practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials an state department. >> even that's not accurate. >> remember i said the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s, government reform and oversight committee, they would bring in
people like bernie nussbaum who would lie to us. you were there, jim. in a lot of these hearings the people on the podium would be laughing because they knew they were lying. bernie nussbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. everybody in the crowd was laughing because they knew they were lying. they would come and tell fantastical tales everybody knew wasn't true. it would happen week in and week out. i don't understand why you put out a statement like that. stop digging. stop digging. i screwed up. i'm terribly sorry. i hope the american people will forgive me and i hope they will let us move onto the issues that matter. stop lying. stop digging. >> a spokesman for bernie sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. donald trump, well, he relished
the story on the campaign trail. >> she had a little bad news today as you know. some reports came down that were not so good. inspector general's report, not good. but i want to run against hillary. it could be we're going to run against crazy bernie. that could be. crazy burnie. he's a crazy man, but that's okay. we like crazy people. i hear they want to put biden in. i hear they are going to actually slip biden in and he's going to take bernie's place. >> mika, a typical response we have come to expect from mr. trump. >> i think he was tame there. >> crazy bernie. >> but he likes crazy guys. crazy guys are okay. >> i'm just saying. >> joining us now from capitol hill "politico's" rachel's bay
reporting on the e-mail server. in your article you highlight this particular exchange, november 2010 when e-mails to department employees were not being received. according to the inspector general, clinton was urged to use state e-mail or to release her e-mail address to the department. clinton responded writing, quote, let's get separate address or device, because i don't want any risk of the personal being accessible. what do you think is the significance of that exchange. >> there's actually two things significant about that exchange. the first one being this an e-mail we haven't seen before. where has it been the whole time? did the state department have it or not release it or turn it over. an if change with one of her close advisers, houma abedin.
it speaks to the conversation saying she used this personal e-mail server for convenience. here her response basically is she's worried about privacy issues. she doesn't mention anything about convenience. there's another problem in the story i highlight that i think really speaks to contradicting information. clinton has said all along that there's been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got ahold of now classified information. it turns out that one of bill clinton's closest staffers who set up the server and set up her e-mail, e-mailed houma abedin said, listen, we're getting hacked. i need to shut down the server, it got hacked twice in one day. houma rooechd out to staff, one of her top policy advisers said, listen, since we're getting hacked don't send, quote, sensitive information to the
secretary. >> had the clinton team not repeatedly denied there had been any hacking concerns? >> this is exactly right. there's been no evidence of hacking. could she say my staff never told me about this? how many people would believe this. if her closest staffer and bill clinton's staffer knew about this. >> cheryl mills knew about this. >> i.t. guys e-mails are gone, wouldn't he be in charge -- >> i.t. e-mails scrubbed. >> am i bringing in something random, the guy who set up the server, wasn't he given immunity and they can't find -- >> e-mails were destroyed. >> to trump on this. this is bigger news for trump than hillary. if you didn't have a candidate like trump, this is baked in, we move on. he's going to be like a dog with a bone. picture in a debate and she says something. well, mr. clinton, how can we believe anything you say?
can you tell us more about the e-mails. to your point, which is interesting i hadn't thought about before, joe, rare point, in citeful. >> coming from intellectual heavyweight like you i appreciate it. >> trump it's reality star stuff where the stakes, no pun intended are are hillary. >> also what was said about the iraq war. >> rachael, you were going to say something, the guy whose e-mails are lost, am i correct these are still lost? these are the man who set up the server who is not talking, at least publicly. >> that's correct. i reported on this. his technology at the state department was seized. it's unclear if those e-mails were deleted and can't find them or the fbi has his technology and backed up on that
technology. another thing interesting, people at the state department, lower level employees who heard about her use of e-mail and server brought it up to bosses and said, we don't think this is allowed. how are they doing this. they were told basically sit down and be quiet, it's none of their business and never bring it up again. >> who said that to whom? >> it's unclear exactly who testified to ig but two separate employees on separate occasions brought this up to their boss. by the way, their boss was called into the benghazi committee and told the benghazi committee, this same gentleman, he couldn't remember anything about this. >> wow. >> the official said at the time, the exact quote in the report, never to speak of the secretary's personal e-mail system again. exact report.
>> we'll find who that was. >> rachael, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. >> as far as trump goes, the thing i see, his response last night was just a rambling respon response, just sort of word salad as usual. you sit and wonder mike barnicle, is bib ever going to be able to sit down with donald trump and say you actually have a chance because of the problems that your opponent is having to be the next president of the united states. do you think now may be the time you stop winging it, you stop attacking some of the most important republican governors in america, that you stop playing this like you're in a wrestling match in like a ditch on the side of one of your golf courses? how much longer is this going to go on before somebody over there gets serious about the fact that this man is running for president of the united states
and not the next ceo of wwe. >> joe, i'll tell you one thing, the world is aware that donald trump is running for president of the united states. millions and millions of people in the united states are aware of that. the media has got to do a better job than we've been doing. the vince foster quote is a flair sent up in front of the media. it's difficult to pin him down, it's difficult to get him to answer a question. we all know that. but we have to do a better job at this. >> how many narcissists do you know that change their behavior, recidivists do you know that change their behavior and it's working. that's why he's done it. >> after ohio -- >> this is a guy, as you said, this is a big ego, i know, you don't. as long as his numbers go in the right direction he's going to say screw you. that's what i would do. >> watch the full speech. it wasn't just an attack on hillary clinton. he went after mitt romney,
saying he looks like a penguin, went after three politicians, called elizabeth warren pocahontas. >> he called hillary a low life. again, he's been saying, people around the campaign have been saying he's going to make the turn. mika we've been saying time and again, he said it to you, he's going to make the turn. any turn he made, actually, has been much, much worse. it reminds me of the two weeks leading into wisconsin. he had a devastating result in wisconsin. he cleaned up after wisconsin, started acting more presidential and started winning states again. so here we find our selves at the key moment for him where he's got to turn that ship around and start getting people across the rust belt. we have a poll on that. women and others more comfortable with him. he's just going in a different direction.
>> when do we make the decision in the media, editorial decision to stop carrying aspect of the trump dump, daily aspect of the trump dump. >> it will never happen. sounds good. i agree with the critique, you think tv will stop airing him. he's great box office. >> by the way, it's not that he's great box office. i can name you 10 candidates that rated higher than donald trump. chris christie always outrated donald trump when he came to the show. it's in the numbers. bernie sanders always outrated donald trump when it came on the show. >> it's the story. >> what he says so inflammatory, attacks susana martinez, female hispanic head of the governor's association. >> that's the story. unbelievable story. >> we have to cover that. hillary clinton attacked the
head of the democratic governor's association we would have to cover that. >> in trump's mind he's a benevolent bully. he gets to do what he wants. look, guys, you're in this business. we're going to cover it, we're not going to stop covering it. it's damn interesting to watch. kind of pathetic but damn interesting. >> i've said it a million times, i don't know why anybody would listen to me, we were so wrong about him in the primary -- oh, by the way we called it from the first state. i don't know why they wouldn't understand. >> i'm sure they do. >> what we've been saying for a long time, what works in the republican primary will not work in the fall. let me say it again one last time. what works in the republican primary in the deep south will not work in the fall in the suburbs of pennsylvania, philadelphia. >> still ahead on "morning joe," donald trump says he'll rewrite the electoral map to win in november. new polling this morning shows the very people he needs to do
that are right now going for clinton. we'll have those new numbers. also ahead, senator claire mccaskill, nbc's chuck todd and "washington post" robert costa. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> scary tornado in kansas. we're lucky we didn't have fatalities. lucky we didn't have reports of injuries. this on the ground yesterday, very well captured by storm chasers all over the plains. this one was out by abilene, an hour west of topeka, kansas, and tore up 1,000 feet of train tracks. did take out 15 to 25 homes, almost completely destroyed. a lot of heads up to get out of the way. that was a wedge tornado, at one point a half mile wide. unfortunately going to do it again today. before we get to the tornado threat, people in iowa heading into wisconsin. we've had 60 to 80-mile-an-hour wind gusts, lost power throughout northeast iowa. this line is now going to cross into wisconsin here. still packing a punch, keep that in mind heading out early today. southern portion of that line,
st. louis go through these thunderstorms, too. now rolling through illinois, quincy and champagne. 28 million people at risk. today would be our tornado day, expect an active afternoon. wichita, this area could see a few strong tornadoes. here is our tornado risk map. higher percentage better chance of tornado. that's 10%, 5% mostly targeting tornado alley, kansas and southern nebraska. as far as east coast, warmest day yesterday since september and we're going to do it all over again today but with a little catch. we're going to add some humidity. don't we love that humidity. washington, d.c., at sunrise. more "morning joe" when we come back.
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. >> they are paying very close attention to this election. i think it's fair to say they are surprised by the republican nominee. they are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements but they are rattled by it.
and for good reason. a lot of proposals he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude or or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> barack obama speaking of donald trump. also, big coincidence, speaking of himself. foreign leaders rattled by donald trump. they have been rattled by barack obama as have all of us. >> speaking of g7 concern about donald trump. we do have new numbers on the 2016 race, a series of polls from bloomberg politics. purple slides.
>> great soft drinks, purple slides. >> in a poll voters earning 30 to 75 in the rust belt states of michigan, ohio, pennsylvania and risk, hillary clinton leads with 46% over donald trump at 39%. like the rest of the country, both trump and clinton are deeply unpopular with trump holding net negative 30 points and clinton a net negative 14 points. a plurality of 45% say they are open to third party candidate, 35% say no and 20% are not sure. the rust belt middle earners like clinton on questions -- they like clinton on questions of foreign policy and fighting for the middle class. she has a nearly 2-1 average over trump on tremp ramt, 49 to 22% and more find her ready to lead on day one, 46% to 32% for trump of but these americans believe trump will be better for
making change in washington. 46% say he knows how to create jobs, 31% say clinton and he has an 11 point lead and will best combat terrorism. he's ahead on who will reign on wall street. asked how they feel about the 2017 campaign, 30% of rust belt middle income voters say they are afraid, far ahead of dissolutioned at 19%, pessimistic at 17% with only 16% optimistic. >> let me get al hunt really quickly. bloomberg commissioned this poll with purple slice, not just for previous anymore. tell us about the rust belt. that's where donald trump is supposed to be strongest right now. looks like hillary has a significant lead. >> these are voters trump needs to win the election they are working class rust belt voters,
pennsylvania, wisconsin. if he's going to win -- the notion, conventional wisdom is that trump will do better than these voters than most republicans do and a lot better than mitt romney did. in this poll he's not. a lot has to do with his negatives rather than feeling good about her. mika showed some of his negatives. let me give one more, which will be telling. we asked who would be a better role model for your children and who would you want in your home. she's not popular but she clobbers him on these issues. people don't think he would be a role model for their children. they don't think they want him in their home. that's particularly true of women. joe, i think it goes to what you said earlier about his tone. the pollster who did this, doug usher said, a lot of dislike of donald trump among these voters has to do with his tone and temperament. if he can't change that, i think he's going to have a hard time
turning these voters around. >> donald trump is politically he's playing -- he wants to get up to 10,000 seat arena. he's basically playing a gig where he hits 2500 really intense fans. they come out and they scream every night and they think he's the greatest indy band in the world, but he wants to get to the hockey arenas, wants to play to the 10,000 crowds. but he can't ever discipline himself and be arcade fire and make that jump. he's just going to keep playing for the 2500, because the addiction of the screaming -- look at it. he loves it so much, he's not going to actually risk what it takes to actually stop the same routine, to expand his base, to stop the screaming, to stop calling hillary clinton a low
life. what were some of the other insults last night. to stop all the insults. by the way, mitt romney, the last weekend i've talked about this before, romney people were calling me saying we're going to win this. we're in pennsylvania, we have 35,000 people. they are going crazy. they are screaming. they are out of their mind crazy. bernie has big crowds in california. let's see how that goes. >> joe, we were talking during the break about the addiction. most of his ridiculous comments come when he's feeding off the crowd as a drug. i think even when he starts the speech and he's not intending, i think he gets caught up on that drug. al brought up an interesting thing, it's the first time i've heard it and i've always felt this way. it's the role model thing. the parents you get in there at the end of the day and close that curtain. if donald trump is elected there will be a cultural shift -- forget political shift, cultural shift on what's acceptable behavior in school yards and
schools. >> bill clinton did in the '90s. >> just like bill clinton did in the '90s in a negative way. >> on a very tough day for the clinton campaign with the state department revelations, e-mail stuff, the one bright spot in her day could well be, and al alluded to this, the result does donald trump have the right temperament to be president. it's a resounding 49% to 22%. hillary clinton has the right temperament as opposed to donald trump. do you want donald trump in your living room every day for the next four years. >> al, one of the great quotes of fdr, second rate intellect but first rate temperament. a lot of people probably would have said the same thing about ronald reagan. temperament makes all the difference in the world when you're sitting behind that desk. right now most americans have judged donald trump to have a third or fourth rate temperament. and his people close to him are pushing him to select newt gingrich, another very bright
man with a third rate temperament to be his vice president. >> joe, i'm cheering that. the family value party with six marriages on the ticket, you can't top that. you're absolutely right about the temperament. americans often, not always, but often, vote for the presidential candidate that they find most personally appealing. i think if we look at our last 10 or 12 elections most of the time that's happened. people don't find hillary clinton personally appealing. they find donald trump even less appealing. that's what he has to address now. these four states, and i think jim can address that, he's got to compete and win a couple of these states. pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, wisconsin. if he should lose all four of those states, it's almost impossible for him to get to 270. >> all right. must-read opinion pages are ahead. we're back in just a moment.
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>> i asked bernie sanders because he's going to be here tomorrow to ask a question. have you met bernie in have you met before. >> i've never really had the privilege. >> here is the question from bernie. he asked hillary clinton backed out of an agreement to debate me in california before the june 7th primary. are you prepared to debate the major issues facing our largest state and the country before the california primary, yes or no. >> yes i am. how much is he going to pay me. >> trump says he would take the money an give it to charity. the response from sanders, swift. game on. i look forward to debating donald trump in california before the june 7th primary. >> wow, all right. that will be fun. >> you wonder why they both would do it and you think about it and you can see it. >> it would be huge.
>> washington bureau chief here to reveal this week's cover story. how far will bernie go? his unlikely crusade became a genuine campaign. now sanders faces a choice and a test. msnbc's thomas roberts also joins the table. how far will he go? michael, go ahead, tell us. >> farther than you probably thought before is the answer. this is a guy if you talked to him before he announced his campaign was incredibly focused on issues, elevating the conversation. if you talk to him now, he's incredibly angry. he's been personally affected by some of the shots clinton has taken at him. he also sees himself closer than ever before to his life's work, which is elevating this ideological crusade. his message never changed since he was 22 years old. now he's getting these giant crowds and he's not going to back down. the thing to remember about bernie sanders, he's never been
a democrat. his interests have never been with the democratic party. it's a very different calculation than for hillary clinton in 2008. she was furious at barack obama but had an allegiance to the party he doesn't have. >> he's not. he's an independent. i'm not saying that as a negative. >> look at his voting record. >> right. but he's not a member of the democratic party. i'm not being snippy. it's like saying i live in connecticut. he is not a democrat. >> look at his voting record. >> he's not a democrat. >> not a registered democrat. >> records don't matter. thomas. records don't matter. donald trump has no record, he says whatever he wants. clinton makes up things about her e-mails. >> the reality is he's not a democrat. >> he's voted with the democrats 99% of the time. >> his loyalty, though -- >> just letting you know. >> loyalty goes to the issues first. >> of democrats. >> and then the democratic party
like second, third, or fourth, which causes the problem. it's the same thing with donald trump. donald trump belatedly became a republican. his loyalty is not to the republican party. his loyalty is to donald trump. >> perhaps bernie sanders loyalty to the party would be different if the party was actually fair to him. >> and if he were actually a democrat. a new poll showing -- >> a dead heat in california. public policy institute of california out with clinton at 46%, sanders at 44%, much closer, margin of error of about 5%. to mika's point he's definitely demonstrated a lean toward democratic policies but he is the ultimate outsider that wants to be the ultimate insider now of democratic party policy. >> michael, talk about the friction between bernie sanders and the democratic party.
we talked about one thing he's been an independent. secondly a concern the party voiced time and time again. he's not going to have another run for president. this is it for him and he knows it. >> that's right. i think to mika's point he hasn't been treated fairly by democratic national committee. i don't think any objective observer would argue debbie wasserman schultz has been. over the weekend he rattled off with great fury and excitability all the way he's been wronged by the clinton campaign. he called david brock the scum of the earth. he mentioned nra attacks, the auto bailout. this is a guy who has always been a fighter. he's hit back at clinton pretty hard but he has a clear sense of fair play. another thing is he's building a
movement. knot nothing builds a movement like outrage. >> you say he hasn't been getting treated fairly by the party i'm getting pushback especially by hillary clinton supporters saying that's not true. on what basis do you make that claim? >> i think the most obvious was the way the debates were from the beginning. it wasn't an anti-bernie decision. the decision made early on to deemphasize democratic debates far beyond where they had been in the past in a way that clearly for the nominee. >> they said the same as 2008. they say that's not true. >> i don't think that is true. i think there were more debates in 2008 than there were this time. they scheduled later debate after the initial round. but the original schedule for the debates that debbie wasserman schultz put in that were not going to be extended because they assumed that hillary clinton would do better than she did in iowa and new hampshire was less than in 2008. >> they put in more debates, mike, and they put it at
horrible times. they put in more debates after hillary clinton needed more debates because it was tighter than they expected. >> yeah. but the original debates as michael pointed out, talking with bernie sanders, at midnight on new year's eve, stuff like that. michael, in your time spent with senator sanders this weekend, does his legitimate anger against the dnc and his anger towards the clintons and the campaign being waged against him, did you get the sense it has blinded him to the reality that he is really hurt hrk's campaign and intends to hurt her more going forward right up until the convention? is that his plan? >> i think that's the most interesting question here. he still maintains and deeply believes donald trump, even though he debates next week and brings in lots of ratings will be an incredible step back for the country and a danger for the country. he's taking a risk. he's not admitting this risk, not discussing this risk.
it's clear he knows there's a risk here. i think his calculation is that at least for the next couple of months leading into the convention to step back and not take that risk would be a bigger mistake. i think there is a clear danger. what we're talking about is the 10 to 20 to 30% of his voters who like him are not democrats. these are people who didn't vote for barack obama, didn't identify with the party, don't like hillary clinton and hillary clinton needs in the general election against donald trump. we spoke to waitresses at cheesecake factories who were furious. go to bernie rallies now people scream epithets at the crowd and say bernie or bust. >> it's gotten really rough. let me ask about reporting, terry mcauliffe, federal investigations being launched of corruption situation, campaign funds what do you have? >> so i reported last night that
the chinese businessman named by cnn as the person whose contributions ar target of investigation by the fbi met with governor mcauliffe and hillary clinton at hillary clinton's house in september 2013. this was a fundraiser she held there. there's a big contribution to mcauliffe's campaign shortly before that meeting. shortly after the mega very large contribution, the first of several to the clinton foundation. this is news worthy because mcauliffe earlier this week came out and argued he never met wong, had nothing to do with the clintons. at times clinton fundraising apparatus and mcauliffe fundraising apparatus in 2013 had a lot of overlaps. clinton was traveling the world raising money for the foundation and her and her husband were doing a lot to help terry mcauliffe in his governor's bid. >> terry mcauliffe said he never
met this man before. >> what he said was i don't remember if i've ever met him. the following day when the aides came to him and said, actually several meetings, one in richmond after you became governor. he clarified that and said i still wouldn't know the guy if i sat next to him. >> despite the fact he actually took this man to hillary clinton. >> the most high-profile fundraiser mcauliffe had in 2013 was the event at hillary's house in washington, d.c. a lot of fundraisers had at hillary's house. mr. wong was one of the people who attended that fundraiser. >> all right. new issue of "time" magazine out. michael scherrer, thank you so much. >> thank you for doing "way too early". >> incredible job. >> it's fun. >> see you tomorrow on "way too early" still to come one top trump staffer leaves at weeks on the job.
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coming up hillary clinton's own state department issues a scathing report about her use of private e-mail. chuck todd on what this means to the race. did donald trump criticizes martinez in her home state? republicans flock to her defense. what that says about trump's relationship to the party. >> that will be fun. >> look forward to talking to her. >> we're back in a moment. thanks man.
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>> he can't run. he choked like a dog. he's a choker. once a choker, always a choker. he walks like a penguin, like a penguin. >> what are you talking about? it's presidential. >> what? >> he made that pivot. >> sometimes i don't quite -- i give him credit, that's unusual criticism. i'm going to mock mitt romney for walking like a penguin. >> chokes like a dog, walks like a penguin, i think that's what
cassius clay said. >> welcome back. we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, branding and marketing expert donny deutsch and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. we still have one more person. >> al hunt is here. columnist. >> political reporter for "washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. >> good to see you guys. >> just saying. >> donny deutsch, you're the branding expert. what's donald trump doing here? >> donald trump is doubling down on what got him here. i have new words on his brand essence. i think benevolent bully. he's a bully. the ends justify the means, i'm going to fight for you. >> have you ever represented a suit that was popular in scranton but wanted to go nationwide. you had to describe to them, the
taste of scranton are unique to the great people of scranton wilkes-barre. if you want to go across the state of pennsylvania and perhaps, i don't know, nationwide you may have to change your marketing. your marketing. >> two explanations, if you had an intelligent conversation with an eighth-grader they would get this. one, this is a type of kroi who lives in his own world. hey, it's working so far, don't tell me what to do. >> he doesn't listen to anybody. >> on the second one, on some insane level he doesn't want to be president. he's very clever, like him, don't like him. this is 101, the bar is so low. he doesn't have to be presidential, he just has to be ordinary. >> mike, you were saying before. have you a friend close to him that says he's scared to be
president. he doesn't want to be president. i will say, he knows what he is doing actually will not help him in the general election right now. >> you think he knows that? >> yes, he knows that. he's a smart guy. >> he's a branding expert. >> is he a self-aware guy. >> he knows what to win. he went against 16 others in the republican party. no one said he could win. he knew exactly what to do. >> he was who he had to be, even though it conflicted what he was in the past. he used his brain for the primary and he's not doing the same for the general. he knows. he's -- >> on a day when you want hillary to lead the news cycle, the last thing you would be doing is put stupid comments out there. you would be like this so the lead story was hillary clinton.
>> let it lead. >> chuck, it's hard to explain. >> the only logical explanation would be self-sabotage sometimes. i don't get -- why is he picking a fight with susana martinez. >> idiotic. >> basically is essentially right now doing the same thing paul ryan is doing. he didn't do this to paul ryan. paul ryan isn't on board yet. i have to say. >> put that story in front because it's such an interesting story. >> by the way. >> sounds very logical. we're going to put that next. >> if you find one -- we would have spent about six minutes on hillary. >> across america that checks off every single box of support that he needs to be president of the united states, it would be a hispanic female governor from a purple state who heads the
republican governors association. >> you cannot -- there is no -- to go out of his way to insult her, this is somebody not only should he be hands off, he should be vetting her to be a running mate. he should be hoping she would want to be a running mate. >> when donald trump criticized republican governor susana martinez at her rally on tuesday night, the presumptive nominee's former primary rivals took notice and are speaking out. marco rubio tweeted yesterday, the truth is governor martinez is one of the hardest working and effective workers in america of jeb bush added, top, governor martinez is a leader of our party. wisconsin said conservative reforms in blue state won twice by president obama winning re-election by the largest margin by a republican in state history. and john kasich said, martinez is an outstanding governor brought conservative reform to a blue state. she's exactly who our party and
nominees should be lifting up and supporting, not tearing down. house speaker paul ryan when asked about governor martinez said she cuts deficits, i think she's a good governor and i will leave it at that. yesterday martinez added her own thoughts and her own words while speaking with reporters. >> it's politics. it really is, it's just politics. avis prosecutor for many years. i've heard names been called a long time. it's not something that's going to affect me. >> one of the things that a lot of people are asking you is whether you're going to endorse trump. after last night can you give us a more definitive answer. >> i can tell you one thing, i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton. i can tell you i'm the same place i was before this event took place. we deserve to hear from a presidential candidate what they are going to do to deal with the issues that are facing new mexico. that was not discussed last night.
>> psychology barring trump used for self-awareness, he is so in his mind above it all, there are no sacred cows. he does not have to kiss any -- >> that is his great strength, he has that no shame thing. >> he's not a politician. he doesn't care. guess what, if he wins, he wins, if he loses, it's fantastic. somebody very, very close to donald trump and the family said you have to remember with the family it's all about the last name. >> what does this do -- the susana martinez issue and mitt romney walking like a duck and choking like a duck, what does this do with paul ryan who indicates he's sort of -- >> that's what i wonder. can ryan -- i think if he
endorses him, it oddly looks really weak. i think he's put himself in a box. i almost think he's put himself in a position of saying, you know, look, i'm the leader of the republican party and the house. i'm doing everything i can to re-elect a republican house. i will do whatever i can to help donald trump help senate candidates. you do everything and say, you know what, i'll worry about who i vote for later. >> al hunt, we've had a couple of republicans come on the show actually and say that they are supporting donald trump because they don't want hillary clinton to win. can paul ryan do that? is that enough? is that enough of an argument for support of trump? how does paul ryan get a spine like susana martinez does? >> when trump is tearing apart his former running mate, tearing apart ahead of governor's association, tearing apart a female hispanic who is winning new mexico for republicans by
record numbers, how does paul ryan get behind somebody like that. >> there is that tone that bothers ryan deeply. don't forget, joe, they disagree on huge issues, trade, immigration, other things. paul ryan in the end i have no doubt will endorse donald trump. he will do it with a minimum of enthusiasm and then focus on re-electing his members. you know, that's okay, he passes a little bit of a threshold test on that. i think a number of republicans will do that, which then will give some voters an opportunity in the fall to say, hey, they are not really for trump, so i don't have to be either. i think he's making a big mistake as you all have said in insulting people and not wooing people right now. can you imagine hillary clinton blasting nancy pelosi now. that's what donald trump is doing. >> if i was managing paul ryan's brand, i think it's a win-win for him to not endorse for two
reasons. if you really say to this guy, this guy wants to run in 2020, i think he's such an important factor if he does not support trump. no other republican sits where he sits, a gravitas. for him to make that statement, even if it causes hillary to win, if there ever was a one-term president it would be a 74-year-old hillary clinton. if i'm him, the leadership statement, what a leader would do say, you know what, i can't get behind -- >> let me get to bob costa who has been waiting here 12 minutes. bob, you've obviously been reporting following the trump campaign for some time. we know after wisconsin paul manafort came on was going to try to right the ship, try to make trump a little more controllable. trump pushed back against that. what's the state of deliberations inside the campaign now and what is probably the most chaotic week
of the entire trump campaign? >> there's an expectation here in washington that trump is going to become more of a republican, but trump has never considered himself to be a partisan figure, someone who has to check certain boxes or build relationships within the party. he still sees himself as someone outside of the party, nonideological and someone whose core strategy is to saturate airwaves. when you ask why is he going after mitt romney or susana martinez, it's about staying at the fore of the conversation. they all have considerings to bring the party together. the man at the top, the candidate, he's still doing it his own way. >> according to your reporting and insight and the time you spent with the campaign, corey
lewandowski, paul manafort, his children, does anybody have a stronghold on donald trump enough to say you're wrong, don't say this, shouldn't say it? does anybody have that kind of influence on him? >> in terms of those big picture conversations, i think it's the people in the business world he's close to who are not affiliated with the campaign, carl icahn, the investor, tom bear, these are the people he has candid phone conversations with. manafort has some cache by trump, not getting paid, doing it pro bono. there's a sense trump likes that about manafort, he's not just an employee. >> chuck. >> by the way, i'll be surprised if paul manafort doesn't make some money somehow off of this but i will set that aside. i want to go back to the ryan point a minute. i think ryan risks more now endorsing him than not endorsing him because he already owns the downside of not endorsing. even if he does an endorsement now, if trump loses a close
race, there will be hand wringing if ryan had gotten on board earlier. or all these republicans didn't get on board. he already has the downside that comes with if you risk not being for trump. so at this point you might as well own the best possibility of the upside. i think. >> i don't know. >> big enough that if you don't endorse trump you become the titular head of the never trump conservative movement. the question is, if you do, that is that enough to have a wide coalition of big base in 2020. >> depends on what you want. if you want to run for president maybe not. if you want to stay speaker of the house, perhaps. >> maybe that's what -- >> there's an assumption people have that ryan want to run for president. i wouldn't be leaping to that conclusion. >> it's 15 past the hour. gosh, there's huge headlines
about hillary clinton but they are superseded by other things, including donald trump calling mitt romney something like a penguin, "politico" reporting that trump is now requesting the republican national committee's on whitewater. there are all these things that have come out late yesterday that make us not get to the hillary story. that's the 197 on -- 1970s real estate investment. learned of trump's interest when intended to send an e-mail to staffer and responded to "politico" reporter mark caputo instead. >> a lot of people didn't understand whitewater back in the '90s. >> they are not going to understand it now. >> they understand it even less. >> i have to say i'm oddly looking forward to see how trump trashs it. is he going to hit them for doing an illegal real estate deal or what are you doing a bad real estate deal. he can go interesting
directions. i looked at the whitewater deal. i was going to build a golf course on it. i have to say i'm weirdly looking forward to it. >> that's why we're talking about it. >> media madness, hillary clinton's worst day in the last six months, worst day of the campaign. >> was yesterday. >> marketing and branding expert. >> all he had to do was be quiet yesterday or if anything focus all his vitriol on -- >> still a bad day for hillary clinton. >> why take any light away. >> we've talked about it a lot, talk about it next block with andrea mitchell, talk about hillary clinton and ig report. she'll be reporting about tough rebuke inspector general's office gave hillary clinton and e-mail server. you're watching "morning joe." we shall continue.
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twenty past the hour, inspector general's office issued a report that concluded hillary clinton violated federal records act by not turning over
all official e-mails before she left office. the report found no evidence she requested or received approval for use her e-mail account for official business. clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. >> my personal e-mail use was fully aboveboard. it was allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. >> what i did was allowed by the state department but wasn't the best choice. i have been as transparent as i know to be. >> you said it was allowed. >> yes, it was. >> who allowed it? >> it was allowed under the rules of the state department. again -- >> nobody signed off on it. >> no, no. it was allowed. one of my predecessors did the same thing. others in our government have done the same thing at very high levels because the rules did change after i left the state department. but at the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. >> well, you know, as i have said many times, there was -- that was absolutely perm lly pe.
i did it. it turned out to be a mistake. it wasn't the best choice. >> two state department officials raised concerns about clinton's exclusive use of a private e-mail server. a senior official in clinton's office told them the matter was not to be discussed any further. he instructed them to, quote, never speak of secretary's personal e-mail system again. according to a new yahoo! report a congressional staffer involved in one of the clinton e-mail investigations identified clinton senior officials as a retired department official questioned by the house benghazi committee and said he had no memory or knowledge of the issues he was being asked about and declined a further request to be identified by senate judiciary committee. clinton campaign released a statement about the ig report which read in part this. the inspector general's documents showed just how
consistent her e-mail practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials at the state department who also used personal e-mail. >> even the statement is not accurate. >> i know. joining us now national correspondent for bloomberg business week and political columnist for boston globe joshua green. in san jose, california, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports. andrea mitchell, thanks for getting up early for us. >> you bet. >> first interview showed was one you did with her and she says time and time and time again it was allowed. was it allowed? >> it was not allowed to not return those records before she left the state department. she violated the official records act according to her own state department ig appointed by president obama. what you have shown just now, mika, is completely undercuts the argument she's been making for more than a year just as
she's trying to persuade voters she's untrustworthy. i think the most surprising and shocking thing is their reaction, claiming this is the same as what former secretaries did, comparison to colin powell. the facts are colin powell was the first secretary of state to ever use e-mail. he used it specifically to try to launch the state department into the new century and get people to communicate by e-mail. he was using it by example. he did use personal e-mails. he dental separate them, but it was a completely aboveboard -- everybody in the state department knew what he was doing. it was not, in fact, violating a rule put in place under clinton, not after she left. it was put in place under clinton and she was warned before hand of decades of this records act that prohibits you to leave the state department and leave any agency and not turn over your records. so there are so many flaws in their argument.
the politics, we'll have to see how that plays out. i don't see how this is anything but devastating given the fact they have been making a completely different argument now for more than a year. >> yeah. the clinton campaign, josh, has long maintained the server was never breached. the report tells of one incident when an adviser shut it down after concern of an attack. tells of an incident in 2011 when secretary clinton was concerned someone was, quote, hacking into her e-mail after getting more than one e-mail with a suspicious link. you know, when you get those, you get worried. according to the report, security officials should be notified even when a personal device is feared compromised. according to the report inspector general found no evidence that the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. there's so much here that's fair to say how can she remember. >> this the whole problem, the reason you have protocols in government servers, so you don't expose e-mails. >> she said it was allowed, it
was allowed, it was allowed, it was allowed. does she not remember any of this? are we supposed to believe that? >> i suppose we are supposed to believe it. i'm not sure a lot of people do. >> do they care? >> yeah, i think this was a serious issue. this is a big if. if you were to remove donald trump from the equation right now, this is the story that would be roiling the 2016 presidential election. >> chuck. >> more than that, it would be fueling more hand wringing in the democratic party. the only reason there's not panic on the democratic side is because of trump. i was thinking about this this morning, because of this breach, she could -- i don't think she could be confirmed to be attorney general. you know whey mean, this is what i mean, their basic defense here -- i'm with andrea in how it's sort of -- you pull muscles here trying to watch them spin this. basically, there wasn't a specific law that told us we couldn't do it, so sounds like
al gore, there's no controlling legal authority. >> andrea, here are the things that like over time we remember here. her saying repeatedly it was allowed. a private server set up in her home by an i.t. guy who was given immunity and his e-mails are missing. she even joked when she was asked, i think in a high school gym, did you wipe the server, meaning get rid of everything so no one could see it and she joked about it being with a cloth. i really don't want to be the one delivering this, but i've got to tell you, this is really hard to believe. it feels like she's lying straight out. andrea mitchell, is she lying? >> i can't say that. i would let the viewer, the voter make those determinations, but it doesn't hold up. there are so many inconsistencies including their
response yesterday. as chuck said, it was jaw dropping they tried -- instead of coming out and saying, look, it was a mistake, as she has previously acknowledged, it was bad judgment, and we don't know whether or not it was hacked. we know there were attempts to penetrate. there's no evidence in this report that that penetration -- that that actually happened. you can't prove a negative. they should have just come out arguably and said, this is a mess and we're going to try to move on. instead they are fighting it and coming out with a completely noncredible argument on her behalf. it also makes her defensive and makes her run from reporters and not want to do interviews and not want to talk to people covering her events all day yesterday. so she's hunkered down now at a key point here. yeah, she's going to get the delegates but the point is she wanted to win california. she wanted to win on a high. bernie sanders is giving her a
huge challenge out here. i can tell you from just looking at the campaign this week. >> the point andrea just raised about reporters. one of the more damming components of the inspector general's report is when he declares in the report that secretary clinton declined the opportunity in a request to be interviewed. when madeleine albright, colin powell, everybody else, john kerry, they were interviewed. what do you figure given the spin on this today, they didn't address the interview. what do they do now? >> look, clearly their decision is to never give an inch, which is the clinton playbook going back to 1992. it's worked for them in the past. they just grind their way through it. i've always looked at this, what's the most logical explanation? the most logical explanation she wanted to make it harder for the press and congress to see her correspondence, so they made
foia requests more difficult by doing what, making sure it was on a government server putting on a private server. that's the part of this -- the idea of convenience i've never been able to accept that. what's convenient about having a server in your house. i hate dealing with wi-fi at my house, okay? it's a pain. why don't i have an i.t. guy at home. >> chuck, it's not something you forgot you did. it's not someone did or your husband set up for you or you forgot you did, your secretary, come on, everybody. >> like so many of these clinton scandals, it's impossible to imagine. >> andrea. >> one quick point. we now see new e-mails never turned over, revealed, that the ig found. what's that about? one of them has her writing to houma abedin, she'll go with another private device after one of the attempts -- after spamming and things were not
being received, this was early on but she said we want to make sure the personal is not accessible. which is exactly to the point chuck was just making. >> nbc's andrea mitchell, thank you. chuck todd, thank you as well. josh green, stay with us. i'll be getting to your new cover story bloomberg about reince priebus or what the magazine calls hardest job in america. i don't know, i think democratic dnc chair is hard, too. in case you miss a moment, catch up with "morning joe" on our podcast. you can subscribe on itunes. "morning joe" is back in a moment. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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up next a vivid reminder of the high stakes in war and peace. we've got a powerful look back at harry truman's decision to strike japan with nuclear weapons as president obama visits the battle scarred spots 70 years later. >> bobby knight said, just like kerry, like truman, trump had the guts to drop the big one. >> bobby knight said that? >> said harry had the guts. i've been a forensic artist for over 30 years. i do the composite sketches which are the bad guy sketches. you need good resolution, powerful processor
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president obama is in japan taking part in annual g7 summit.
he met with japan's prime minister along with britain, germany, canada. over the course of the two-day summit, the group is expected to discuss global economy, terrorism, and the refugee crisis. tomorrow he will visit hiroshima, the first by a sitting president to do that since that city and nagasaki were leveled by u.s. atomic bombs during world war ii. president harry truman made the decision to drop the bombs to force japan to surrender and end the war. it was history's first and only use of nuclear weapons and it was one of the most consequential and controversial decisions any president has ever made. brian williams has this report and we should warn our viewers, some of the images are graphic. >> reporter: just ten weeks after the defeat of nazi, germany, president truman toured the ruins of berlin.
that day the atomic age began. this successful test of the first atomic bomb gave the president a powerful new weapon in the war against japan. truman was in berlin for a summit with great britain and the soviet union, the pots dam conference. it was here the president got the news of the successful test and where he reviewed the final list of proposed targets before giving the go ahead to drop the atomic bomb. truman saw the bomb as an alternative to a massive invasion of japan which was planned for that fall. the often suicidal determination of the japanese to keep fighting could have meant extremely heavy casualties on both sides. japan was given an ultimatum, surrender unconditionally or face destruction. japan refused. truman headed home across atlantic uss augusta. a b-29 bomber took off carrying
a single bomb which it dropped over the city of hiroshima at 8:15 in the morning on august 6th, 1945. >> it is an atomic bomb, the first from which the sun draws its power has been loosed against those who brought war to the far east. >> more than 80,000 people were killed, tens of thousands were horribly burned and poisoned with radiation. the president again warned japan surrender or face what he called a rain of ruin. there was no reapply, so another atomic bomb was dropped on japan. this time on nagasaki. more than 40,000 people died there. many more were injured. finally japan gave up. i deem this reapply a full acceptance of the declaration which specifies the unconditional surrender of japan. >> reporter: the war was over and harry s. truman had not
hesitated in using atomic bombs to end it, a decision he stood by for the rest of his life. >> i made that decision in the conviction it would save hundreds of thousands of lives, japanese as well as americans. >> the dropping of the atom bomb was the only sensible thing to do. it was the only thing to do. >> reporter: truman lived to see other nations develop atomic weapons. he saw the birth of the hydrogen bomb, far more powerful than the bombs dropped on japan. he watched the world come to the brink of the war during cuban missile crisis them stepped back with treaties to end nuclear weapons signed under presidents kennedy, johnson, nixon. what did not happen again in truman's lifetime or all the years since is another use of atomic weapons by anyone. the city of hiroshima devastated years ago is thriving today, so
is nagasaki. the planes that bombed those cities are now museum pieces. while the cold war may be history, it's been replaced by fears of nuclear rogue states and terrorism. in the new mexico desert, a simple monument marks the spot where the atomic age began and harry truman, he lived to the age of 88 and went to his grave certain he had done the right thing. >> that bomb caused the japanese to surrender and stopped the the war. i don't care what the cry babies say now because they didn't have to make the decision. >> mike barnicle, you knew the gentleman who actually flew on both missions, hiroshima and nagasaki. >> the only american to fly both missions. he flew back up, used the pilot boxcar, flew back up to drop the initial bomb on hiroshima and a few days later charlie sweeney
flew boxcar over nagasaki and dropped the second of only two bombs they had on nagasaki. >> any regrets? >> general sweeney had no regrets until the day he died. he felt he did the right thing as outlined in the piece, the indication that the united states would suffer enormous casualties and the japanese would suffer even more casualties. >> let's bring right now from washington presidential historian author and nbc news contributor. michael, as i and you and others have been reading the history through the years of what unfolded in '44 and '45 in the later stages of the pacific and atlantic campaigns, it seems to me that there are moral justifications for hiroshima and nagasaki as far as the saving of lives perhaps even more so than the firebombing of dresden, against a country in the final throes of fighting against the
allies. >> you know, i think that's a perfect argument. you know, in the same way there was a huge, as you know, firebombing of tokyo in the spring of 1945. hundreds of thousands of casualties. even that didn't bring japan to its knees. you're truman and presented with a weapon that has a chance to end the war quickly and avoid the huge american invasion that could cause upwards 250,000 americans dead, 250,000 japanese dead, very few presidents would not have done that. >> has there been -- have there been any revisionists of any stature that have argued in the intervening 70 -- what, 75 years or so that truman could have gone another route? >> oh, sure. >> this argument that a million people would die in an invasion of japan. i know they have made the argument. but are there any arguments that
stand up? >> none that persuade me, and i would guess none that would persuade you of the main argument they make is if truman had done the invasion, maybe there would have been fewer casualties and maybe japanese would have surrendered in a year or two. the other argument made was that truman's interior motive was not so much to end the war, although he was serious about that, but his ulterior motive was to intimidate soviets. he was so hell bent on fire off the weapons, basically to dominate the world after the war was over, that that was the reason. that doesn't do much for me. >> mike, you look at campaigns across the pachkros cross the p was, japanese were the fiercest of fighters. any suggestion they would have just rolled over when we went to their homeland seems absolutely
ludicrous. >> island hopping, michael can attest to this with what he's done in his life as historian. iwojima, enormous casualties on both sides. toward the end of the war we still had kamikaze pilots attacking ships. the prospect, idea harry truman confronted with this decision, two bombs on two planes, they really don't know where either bomb, either nuclear bomb will work when they drop it. >> absolutely true. mike says it so well. the biggest proof maybe is that after this bomb was dropped on hiroshima, this horrible weapon, 70,000 plus japanese killed, even then the emperor did not surrender. that's the reason why truman had to do nagasaki. >> all right, michael, thank you
so much for being with us. we always love having you here. twitter feed, the best. >> thank you. >> the pictures, incredible stuff he puts out. >> remember the 40th anniversary of nixon's resignation, he actually had outtakes of nixon. >> wasn't that something? >> that was one of the most -- whether you loved or hated nixon on a personal level, one of the most heartbreaking clips. >> michael, do you have all this stuff at home in your desk drawer and p whip it out several times a year. >> i've been doing these books for a long time and i've come across all this stuff. you can put maybe 12 pictures in a history book. finally i get to use all this stuff i love. >> that's fantastic. thank you, michael, we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you, joe. be well. >> just a note we're going to be covering president obama's historic visit to hiroshima tomorrow morning. still ahead this morning -- >> is there any place more fun to be than a trump rally?
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toughest job in america, being my co-host. second toughest job in america? we're about to find out from josh green. reince priebus and the remaking of the republican party. >> it looks at priebus has been the guy at the center of this five-year effort to modernize and reform the republican party. a kinder, more tolerant, more welcoming one. trump, i assume he's come in like a wrecking ball. >> also a more targeted one. learn from the mistakes of 2012. you say that trump is coming in like a wrecking ball and undercut five years of efforts. >> he's put the trump stamp on the republican party like he does on a trump building he aquires. trump said the gop ought to be a workers party. he wants to go in a different
direction. >> what does the chairman of the republican party think about the fact he has a candidate running for president of the united states that he has absolutely no control over? >> i think if you dosed him with truth serum he'd tell you he's terrified. but his job as party chairman is to stick with it and he has to get his nominee elected. >> is their personal relationship such that he could call or would call donald trump today after the -- >> priebus told me they talk every day by phone. >> and the relationship is okay? >> they both claim it to be. trump even told me the nickname for mr. priebus. mr. switzerland. he's bringing the party together. >> so does priebus see trump as a threat to the senate majority? >> no, priebus is on message about these things and he thinks trump is bringing in a lot of
new republican voters. he's got people excited. whether or not that's enough to win a national majority, there's some skepticism. but priebus claims the republican party is going to win more black, hispanic, asian voters under donald trump than they did under mitt romney. >> we shall see. a couple of wisconsin guys in a tough, tough spot. paul ryan and prince priebus. the joy of being reince. this morning the state department finally released their report on her use of a private e-mail server. they found she did not ask permission, and if she had, the answer would have been no, which is one of the top reasons not to ask permission, by the way. so here's the thing. here's the thing. even when you give hillary clinton a firm no, what she hears is, try again in eight years. much more on that report from the state department that
contradict's hillary clinton's repeated claim that her personal e-mail server was okay and what about her campaign's claim it was never breached. we'll have reporting on that. and by the way, trump -- >> we had donald trump quoted when you showed the clip at the rally saying -- he clearly has never been to prohibition on columbus avenue to hear your band on a thursday night. >> it's huge. it's huge. >> they have to stop traffic. they have to reroute traffic. >> it is. we'll be there at 8:30 tonight. if you're in the area, come around. when we come back, we'll be talking about donald trump and his interesting reaction to hillary clinton and penguins when we return.
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in 2008, you said you thought hillary would make an excellent president. and in 2012 you said she was terrific. what did she do? >> let me just explain to you. i will tell you. when i'm a businessman, i had a beautiful story where they said trump is a world class businessman. all over the world we're doing jobs. i speak well of everybody. if people ask me about politicians, i speak well. when they asked me about hillary, she's wonderful. everybody is wonderful. and that's the way it is. including contributions. they asked me for contributions, i give contributions. >> so you were full of [ bleep ] when you said -- >> that's a way to look at it. good morning. it's thursday. you know what that means? may 26th. we'll tell you about that later. with us on set we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnacle. you're back. where have you been? >> paris. >> that's kind of nice.
co-founder of politico, jim vandahy. and then donny. we know where he's been. former advertising executive, donny deutsch. and washington columnist for bloomberg view, al hunt is with us. a lot to get to. >> big news today, obviously. on a lot of the front pages, hillary clinton coming under intense fire from her own state department faulting the clintons on the e-mail server. there's the front page of "the new york times." also of course on the front page of "the wall street journal." that's the big news today. >> yeah. we'll start there. she was hoping to celebrate a big endorsement. that would be one of the united auto workers and their 400,000 members. that's pretty big. instead this report from the inspector general's office of the state department took the narrative in a very different
direction. the report concluded she violated the federal records act by not turning over all official e-mails before she left office. the report also found there was no evident she had requested or received approval to use her personal account for official business. clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. >> my personal e-mail use was fully above board. it was allowed by the state department, as they have confirmed. >> what i did was allowed by the state department, but it wasn't the best choice. and i have been as transparent as i know to be. >> you've said it was allowed? >> yes, it was. >> who allowed it? >> it was allowed under the rules of the state department, and again -- >> so nobody signed off on it? >> no it was allowed. one of my predecessors did the same thing. others in our government have done the same thing at very high levels because the rules did change after i left the state department, but at the time and in prior years, the rules
allowed it. >> well, you know, as i have said many times, there was -- that was absolutely permitted, and i did it, and it turned out to be a mistake. it wasn't the best choice. >> jim, first of all, i mean, we said all along around this table the state department didn't allow this because people inside the state department at the highest reaches of the state department saying she never asked anybody. this was never allowed. they kept saying it day in and day out. "the new york times" talks about, in this article, a candidate's negative controversy and the voters fading trust. here we have donald trump who obviously on a lot of key issues changes with the wind. and is accused of not honest and trustworthy. his numbers are horrific, just as bad as hillary clinton, and yet this is another nail in that coffin of voters' trust. >> no doubt. even watching those clips, i
don't think people think she's telling the truth. she looks like she's trying to convince herself. it is devastating and she says it was authorized. it was okay. it's not a big deal. the report says, no, no, no, you're wrong, you're youwrong. this is her state department. she ran the state department. it's the ig in her department that is making this determination. so i do think you have two candidates who, what, 60% of people think are dishonest and if you look at this weak of a campaign, it shows you everything you need to know about the next three months. it's going to be gross. a battle of negativity. >> the clinton campaign has long maintained the server was never breached but the report tells of one incident when an adviser shut it down over concern it was under attack n the footnotes tell of an incident where hillary clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her enail after getting more than one e-mail with a suspicious link. according to the report, security officials should be
notified even when a personal device is feared compromise. but according to the report, they found no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. >> and that, donny, this goes to national security, obviously. the biggest concern is national security. a lot of people act like there's much ado about nothing here. there's a lot of classified documents, a lot of classified materials going through the server. and the great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. >> not a knife to the heart but a very deep flesh wound. for hillary, this is right on brand. in the advertising business we have a brand positioning statement, brand support points. if her brand is untrustworthiness, this is one more peel in there. the interesting thing to think about is how would donald trump -- this election is going to be, you called it groes.
i'll call it counterpunching. how would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. he'd be saying, e-mails. me, colin powell, this is what we did. look at hillary clinton, she killed vince foster. that's what would be happening there. hillary has no way of counterpunching. the difference is whereas trump, no matter what you throw at him, he's got the counterpunch. no matter what you throw at hillary, she never has a way of swatting it back. it's not devastate, but in this election if the game is to make trump seem more presidential n less temperamentally unstable, you can start to move that needle. i don't know how you move the untrustworthy needle. >> here's the problem, mike barnacle. trump lies about trump steak success. he lies about the success of some of his business ventures. he flip flops on issues, where he was a reality show host when he took those positions.
and it seems like it's, you know, down here. with hillary clinton, you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified e-mails, classified information and 22 e-mails at the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on america's national security. that's -- when we're talking about honest and trustworthy, i don't know that she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. >> we've just been talking about the top of this story. the headlines of this story. the lead of this story. within the report, there's other devastating issues. the fact that she declined repeatedly the inspector general's request for an interview when every other former secretary, madeleine albright, colin powell, john
kerry, all were -- >> it goes to that secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. >> in june 2011, the secretary of state sent out a cable to all koups lor n diplomatic posts urging them to stop using home e-mail for anything having to do with state department business. and yet she did not follow that edict. a cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. >> when she says it was allowed -- >> she never asked for permission. the inspector general stated she never asked for permission to use a personal e-mail. and he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. >> trump is salivating at, he doesn't only have lying hillary. he's got incompetent hillary, dangerous hillary. she's dangerous. she can't be the president. >> he's kngot entitled hillary. >> he's got ten new words for
her. by the time this is done it will seem she sent directly to puttin e-mails she wasn't supposed to, and that's what they'll do. >> what this could really mean, i don't know how the public reacts whether they just say, oh, well and turn the page. but it adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons. and that's a huge burden for her to carry. >> you know, a lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and in papers and on tv have been saying this isn't going to have a big impact. al hunt, this isn't going to have a big impact on hillary's numbers. who cares about the e-mails? what we've always believed, and i think what we've seen is that you go to the subset question of honest and trustworthy. that 4 hit has had a devastatin impact. hillary clinton was a woman with an approval around 65%, 66% when
she left the state department. her numbers have plummeted. and in large part, i've got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. and again, it's not from breitbart, it's not from drudge. this started with "the new york times," and here we have hillary clinton's own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these e-mails. >> and, joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for taking her from a 60% approval down to a 30% approval. i think it is -- it really is serious, and it raises another question. what kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have? why didn't someone say, i'm sorry, madam secretary, you cannot do this. she should not have done it, but she should have had people around her who instead of saying that, were enablers. that raises questions about who she surrounds herself with. i think it really hurts. i agree with everything that's been said. she broke the rules. that's really bad. the really big issue here is did
she break the law? and that will be determined in the next couple of weeks. if that should happen, which i suspect it -- that they will rule she didn't, joe, but i don't know. if that should happen, it would be lethal. >> let's go through some of the details a little troubling and definitely conflict with what she's said before. the clinton campaign released a statement. the inspector general documents just how consistent her e-mail practices were with those other secretaries and senior officials at the state department and also used personal e-mail. >> even that's not accurate. >> nobody reading it thinks it's accurate? they keep digging a hole. >> remember where the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s were, government oversight committee, they'd bring people in like bernie nusbaum who would lie to us. in a lot of these hearings, the people in the podium would be
laughing because they knew they would be lying. bernie nusbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. everybody in the crowd would be laughing because they knew they were lying. they'd tell fantastical tales that everybody knew was not true. i said i couldn't believe i was watching. but it happened week in and week out. i don't understand why you put out a statement like that. stop digging. stop digging. i screwed up. i'm terribly sorry. i hope the american people will forgive me and i hope they will let us move on to the issues that matter. stop lying. stop digging. >> so just for this, then we'll get into the details. a spokesman for bernie sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. and donald trump, well, he relished the story on the campaign trail. >> she had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down that weren't so good. but -- not so good.
the inspector general's report. not good. but i want to run against hillary. it could be we're going to run against crazy bernie. could be. crazy bernie. he's a crazy man, but that's okay. we like crazy people. and i hear they want to put biden in. i hear they're going to slip joe biden in, and he's going to take bernie's place. >> mika, a typically churchillian response to the inspector general's report. what we've come to expect of mr. trump. >> i think he was tame there, to tell you the truth. >> you have to watch the rest of it. >> crazy bernie. >> he likes crazy guys. crazy guys are okay. >> i'm just saying. >> joining us from capitol hill, politico's rachel bay who has been reporting on the developments surrounding hillary clinton's e-mail server. rachel in your article, you highlight this particular exchange. it dates back to november of
2010 when some of secretary clinton's e-mails to department employees were not being received. now according to the inspector general, the clinton was urged to use state e-mail or to release or e-mail address to the department. clinton responded write, quote, let's get separate address or device, because i don't want any risk of the personal being accessible. what do you think is the significance of that exchange? >> there's two things that are significant about that exchange. the first one being this is an e-mail that we haven't seen before. where has it been this whole time? does the state department have it and they just didn't release it or did clinton not turn it over? it was an exchange between her top adviser, one of her closest advisers, huma abedin and her. it speaks to contradicting information the campaign has given saying she used this personal e-mail server for convenience. here her response basically is
she's worried about privacy issues. she doesn't mention anything about convenience. there's another item in the story that i highlight that i think really speaks again to contradicting information. clinton has said all along that there's been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got a hold of now classified information. it turns out that one of bill clinton's closest staffers who set up the server n set up her e-ma e-mail, e-mailed huma abedin anded so, listen, we're getting hacked. i need to shut down the server. it happen twice in one day. and abedin reached out to her chief of staff cheryl mills, jake sullivan, one of her top policy advisers and said, listen, because we're getting hacked, don't send any, quote, sensitive information to the secretary. >> politico's rachel bay, thank you. still ahead, senator claire mccaskill joins us. plus is there fools gold in
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they are paying very close attention to this election. i think it's fair to say that they are surprised by the republican nominee. they are not sure how seriously
to take some of his pronouncements, but they're rattled by him. and for good reason because a lot of the proposals that he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of actually thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> barack obama speaking of donald trump and also speaking of himself. foreign leaders rattled by donald trump. they have been rattled by barack obama over the past eight years. >> speaking from the g7 summit about world leaders concern about donald trump,. we do have new numbers on the
2016 race, the second in a series of polls from bloomberg politics and purple slice looking at -- >> great soft drink. i love purple slice. >> it will play a major role in determining the election. in polls, the states of michigan, ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin, hillary clinton leads with 46% over donald trump at 39%. and like the rest of the country, both trump and clinton are deeply unpopular with trump holding a negative rating 30 poi points. 35% say they are not open to a third party candidate. rust belt earners on questions -- they like clinton on questions of foreign policy and fighting for the middle class. she has a nearly 2 to 1 average over trump on temperament.
49% to 22%. and more find her ready to lead on day one, 46% to 32% for trump. but these americans believe trump will be better for making change in washington. 46% say he knows how to create jobs. 31% say clinton. and he has an 11-point lead on who will best combat terrorism. and he is ahead on who will rein in wall street. in all, asked how they feel about the 2016 campaign, 31% of rust belt middle income voters say they are afraid, far ahead of disillusioned at 19%, pessimistic at 17% with only 16% saying optimistic. >> let me get al hunt, bloomberg commissioned this poll along with purple slice. it's not just for breakfast anymore. tell us about the rust belt. that's where donald trump is supposed to be strongest right now. it looks like hillary still has a significant lead.
>> these are voters trump needs to win the election. they are working class, rust belt voters. pennsylvania, michigan, ohio and jim's state of wisconsin. if he's going to win, n the notion, the conjoental wisdom had been that trump is going to do better among these voters than most republicans do and better than mitt romney did. in this poll, he's not. and i think a lot of it has to do with his negatives rather than feeling good about her. mika showed some of his negatives. let me give you one more which may be telling. we asked, who would be a better role model for your children, and who would you want in your home. she's not popular, but she clobbers him on those issues. people don't think he would be a role model for their children. they don't think they want him in their home. and that's particularly true of women. and i think it goes to what you said earlier about his tone. the pollster that did this, doug
usher, said a lot of dislike of donald trump among these voters has to do with his tone and temperament. if he can't change that, he's going to have a hard time turning these voters around. coming up, what's the future of one of the top democrats in the country. with high-profile democratic senators declining to defend bebie wasserman schultz, is a top clinton ally in jeopardy? we'll ask senator claire mccaskill next.
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when donald trump talks about the economy, he is talking about trickle down on steroids. he has put forth an economic plan that is by a billionaire for billionaires. and it is going to hurt a lot of people. he doesn't seem to actually care about making america great so much as he seems to care about making himself look great. i want you to know that donald trump actually rooted for the housing crash that cost 5 million families their homes. we called him out on it yesterday using his own words. and you know what he said in response? well, he bragged about what he
did. he said and i'm quoting now, that's the kind of thinking our country needs. he said profiting off working people losing their homes would be a, quote, good result. so a good result in donald trump's world is he gets his and you get hurt. >> that was hillary clinton focusing on donald trump on the trail yesterday mocking his tax plan, his comments on the mortgage crisis and much, much more. former president bill clinton was also on the trail as well campaigning hard for his wife in new mexico. and taking the fight to republicans in congress just like the old days. >> i feel sorry for the republicans in congress. really. no, no, no. how would you like to get up every day and go into the bathroom, throw water on your face, look in the mirror and go,
oh, goody, i can go waste another day of my disappearing life making sure nothing good happens for anybody. because i have to prove that government is a failure always. that's crazy. there's not a successful country on earth that doesn't have a strong thriving economy and a good government working together to help people live together, be productive together and go together. >> while bill clinton was crying crocodile tears for republicans in congress in his unique view of how things work there, democrats on the hill are under pressure also regarding the future of debbie wasserman schultz. politico reports senator chuck schumer refused to comment on whether she should stay in charge of the dncn senator patty murray said that's not up to me. let's talk to claire mccaskill who is supporting hillary clinton for president. and we still have josh green at the table and mike barnacle. so much to talk about, claire.
why don't we start where we finished on that read with d debbie wasserman schultz. many think it would be best for her to step down before the convention to make peace with bernie. >> nobody is calling on debbie wasserman schultz to step down. but debbie has to make a decision going forward. we have to focus on how we unite and defeat donald trump. and fair or unfair, she is to many of the bernie supporters somebody that really gets them riled up. now we can argue about why that is or if it's fair that that's the case, but this ultimately will be up to debbie. i don't think anybody is trying to move debbie out. but i think we all need to figure out how to get along. we need to land this plane. >> doesn't it make sense to have another pilot land the plane when bernie sanders is so personally angered by the way she's run the dnc. whether it's fair or not fair, for the purposes of democratic
un unity, wouldn't it be better to have a place holder put in there? >> i'm going to leave that to people at much higher level than i am. i think that's going to be a lot of talk back and forth between bernie and his campaign and hillary clinton and her campaign. and i think all of this will get worked out. i'm confident it will all get worked out. we can't have a reality tv star that has no concept of public policy step foot in the oval office. he cannot have the nuclear codes. >> a lead story for the times and i'm sure newspapers all over missouri had to do with. the state department inspector general finding fault with hillary clinton on e-mails. and there is a story on 8/14 talking about a candidate's nagging controversy and the voters' fading trust. she and donald trump have extraordinarily low numbers when it comes to being honest and trustworthy. does this make hillary clinton's
case more difficult moving forward? >> well, listen, i think the american people are going to have to decide, is a candidate's mistake trying to protect her privacy more of a problem than a president who goes on national radio shows and for hours gives us a play-by-play of his sex life with his now wife and objectifies having sex with black women and talks in the most vulgar terms about women and frankly on the campaign is vulgar. is somebody who made a mistake protecting their privacy more of a problem than somebody who commits fraud to make money. >> are you concerned about what hillary clinton did? are you concerned by the findings in the ig report? >> i, obviously, it's not great, but there is some context here. you know, colin powell was the former national security adviser. he was the former joint chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he used personal e-mail while he was at the state department.
clearly he did not believe it was a security risk. >> the rules changed, though, senator, and you know that. >> the issue is a security -- if the security is an issue, and the other thing to remember is this report, the ig -- this ig report wasn't about classified material. it was about record keeping. and colin powell never turned in his e-mails and hillary clinton turned in all of hers. so i do think there is some context here. she's admitted this was a mistake. i think we need to realize she wasn't trying to undermine the united states of america. she was trying to protect her privacy. >> senator, i don't want to get into the weeds but she did not release all of her e-mails. in any event, moving on to another aspect of the report, when she was secretary of state, she declined, refused the opportunity and request of the inspector general to be interviewed about this when colin powell, condoleezza rice, madeleine albright and john kerry all exceeded to the
interview and were interviewed. so if you were involved in her campaign, you are to a certain extent, the statement that the campaign released was really a rehash of her past statements and didn't address some of the damaging specifics in the report. what would you advise her to do today about that one question, why did you refuse to be interviewed? what would you advise her to say? >> i probably, if i were advising her, i would say, i have sat down for 11 hours in front of my most ardent enemies to answer every question they've asked me about anything and i'm looking forward to sitting down with the fbi, which, frankly, if there's something you'd want to avoid, it would probably be talking to the fbi, not the inspector general which is just looking into record keeping. so the fact that she keeps saying, i will sit down with the fbi, it shows this isn't somebody trying to hide something. >> she has not been able to put this scandal behind her.
she's tried out various lines, joking about it, testifying before the committee, putting out statements. now she's refusing to answer reporters' questions. what can she do to definitively put this behind her once and for all? and if she doesn't, do you think this threatens democrats' chances of maintaining the white house. >> i don't know that you ever put anything behind you one and for all in a political campaign. she's going to have to deal with this. i think she has dealt with it by saying i made a mistake. i regret it. i shouldn't have done it. i think she's said that over and over. if you review her testimony for 11 hours in front of that committee, this was not someone who gave the impression they were trying to hide anything. >> do you think she needs to do more? she's not managed to put this behind her. here we still are talking about it? >> if i were advising her, i would probably tell her to spend a lot more time talking about this bafoon on the national
stage and world stage, making up stuff as he goes along, insulting people as a form of public policy. this is somebody who has never presented to the american people how he's going to do anything. >> so, claire, that's the question, is hillary clinton also making stuff up as she goes along if you look at the ig report, her claims this was approved by the state department when the state department clearly says, and this is in the lead of "the new york times," it says that she never sought permission, nor would she have been given permission had she sought permission. she said that repeatedly. she said that her e-mail use was consistent with all the rules of the state department and the federal government. that ended up not being true as well. it goes back to the question of honest and trustworthiness. she's going up against a guy who has extremely low honest and trustworthy numbers, but doesn't this make her case harder pointing at donald trump when
she has some of the issues if you read "the new york times" and believe what they're saying. >> i understand the point you're making. i think what i would say, it was not a secret. she was sending these e-mails all over the state department. people were receiving e-mails from her -- >> i don't think a lot of people in the state department knew about it. in fact, one gentleman, her top security guy brought it up to two staffers. twice he was told to never bring it up again. so there was -- if you are arguing transparency here, it doesn't appear from this report that there was much transparency. >> i will tell you, i read the report. i looked at it. i certainly do not think the fact she had this e-mail address was a secret at the state department. it was not something she was trying to hide. she was trying, probably misguided, yeah, because she's been under attack her entire life. she wanted to have some free space of privacy. mistake for somebody who is
secretary of state, but she has acknowledged the mistake over and over again. >> senator, what is more tiger for you, talking about secretary clinton's e-mail or talking about, you know, once again, the cubs beating the cardinals at home? >> i knew you were going to go there, barnacle. can we get back to the e-mails? >> terrible. my god. there are the chicago cubs, 31-14. who saw that coming? >> no, they're hot. >> why? what's with the cubs this year. they going to take it all the way through? >> they have a tendency to falter and choke at a crucial moment in that lifetime of their franchise. we are still strong. we lost 9-8 last night. came this close at the end of the game to catching them. they didn't sweep. that's good. the i think that there's still a lot more baseball to be played. and i'll be back at the end of the season and see how those
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of america's big producers. shale oil producers, those types of companies to start ramping up production again. we'll see that $50 mark key in today's trading. also want to turnior attention to what's happening in silicon valley. there's that big battle brewing. paypal co-founder peter teal has been reported as the man who has been financing media wars against gawker media. again, an interesting move here. according to "the new york times" and cnbc's andrew ross sorkin reporting that peter teal bankrolled a legal team to finance lawsuits against gawker, including the one hulk hogan just won for $140 million jury verdict. an interesting development here because we're talking about one of the most high-profile silicon valley billionaires out there who co-founded paypal and was one of the early investors in facebook. worth about $2.7 billion and
he's been one of those men, peter thiel who has done a lot for journalism, supported journalists in the past. he doesn't feel this particular move to finance a move against gawker goes against that. it's just an interesting development here in a battle that has so many high-profile people in silicon valley talking about the relationship between media and, of course, the technology world, guys. >> wboy, all right. that's fascinating. greatly appreciate it. those oil prices, the cheers you heard were going up somewhere over north dakota. waiting for oil prices to come back. >> and on lower wall street. >> wall street. from north dakota to wall street. coming up next on "morning joe," -- >> nobody lies like some of the people i've seen, especially lyin' ted. lyin' ted cruz. >> breathe, breathe, breathe. >> it's l-y-i-n apostrophe.
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welcome back. plenty of posturing in politics. and the right position can say a lot about a leader. our next guest says striking a power pose like this one from
the oval office can actually boost someone's brain to make them more assertive and confident. is that the pose? >> well, that's -- >> feet up on the desk? >> this one here. this one here. you all are in pretty powerful postures. the feet up on the defrk sk is powerful posture, but i'd not recommend doing it in front of other people. >> professor at the harvard business school, author of the best selling book "presence" bringing your boldest self to your biggest challenges. her ted talk has been viewed more than 33 million times. if you haven't seen it, you've got to watch it. and she's a familiar face to the know your value movement which will be up and running soon again. we want you back. msnbc's kasie hunt and anand r garadardis. >> that's what i find so
interesting about your message. you aren't teaching people tips and little ways to wing it. you are giving them something that comes from inside. so what they bring out is actually more powerful. explain it. >> it's not just a hat full of tricks. nonverbal tricks. it doesn't work well that way. when we're being choreographed, we're not being authentic. when we adopt expansive postures which is what animals do when they are powerful and people do when they are proud, it makes us feel powerful and confident and proud. and that totally changes our behavior and our interactions and just the way we carry ourselves in lives. >> so powerful poses. some of them are kind of impolite in just looking at them. >> yes. >> i've seen joe in every single one of those. >> exception. would not do that. >> who did i see doing that? oh, it was barnacle. >> barnacle. >> stop that. >> there's barnacle right there.
>> but the science behind a power pose that -- it sets off -- >> and just to be clear, i really don't recommend man spreading in any situation. no man spreading. >> especially on the subway. and they are really bold poses and that's why you do them in the privacy of your own home or bathroom stall before you go into a job interview. >> why do you do that before you go into a job interview? >> because it calms you down and makes you feel confident. you are tricking your brain into feeling victorious. there's several things happening. one thing that we found is that when you adopt a powerful posture just for a couple of minutes, in some cases it leads to an increase in testosterone and debrees in cortisol.
it decreases the hormones that are associated with stress and anxiety and fear. so that doesn't happen all the time, but that's one of the things that's happening. >> so interesting, kasie hunt. >> so you also seem to study body language of politicians. so if i'm in an interview, how do i tell if someone is lying to me? >> i love this question. so one of my favorite areas of body language research is what are we looking for when we want to know if somebody is deceiving us? what most people think is the best cue is eye contact. it's not. the science does not support that at all. the best way to know if somebody is lying is to look for a synchronize. if you are telling a happy story, your body should not look scared. when we see those, we think of them as leaks. we know they're telling one story and suppressing another and not able to manage all the
pieces. we pick up on that in a visceral level. >> i'd take that back to a struggle i think women have. those leaks come out like in job interviews or negotiations. if you have the person who you are negotiate with, man or woman, sitting there in a powerful pose and you are like this but saying how great you are -- >> exactly. that's exactly the kind of thing i'm talking about. >> so look at these powerless -- >> exactly. when we feel powerless, we wrap ourselves up and look frightened. we want to look invisible and don't want to offend the person who has the power. that's what causes us to do that. but when we're in interaction with somebody with a lot of power, we tend to complement their behavior by becoming more powerless. >> the book is "presence." amy cuddy, always good to see you. we'll be back with much more "morning joe." my mom loves giving me advice. she even gives me advice...
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but the emperor may have met its match. >> it cannot run. he choked like a dog. he's a choker. once a choker, always a choker. and he walks like a penguin on to the stage. you ever see -- like a penguin. >> well, okay. it's time to talk about what we learned today. mika, i learned that mitt romney walked like a penguin. i never noticed it before. >> i thought donald trump was like the most successful branding, marketing, get ahead of the game on the press thing guy out there. he's not. >> certainly not right now. >> we're talking about e-mails. >> senator claire mccaskill thinks hillary clinton's e-mail policy was misguided and if your surrogates and defendants are calling what you did misguided, that's a problem. >> in an odd juxtaposition, joe biden is in new york today. monday is the first anniversary
of beau biden's death. the president is chairing a studying committee -- >> if you are in the new york area, join joe and his band at prohibition. it's a great band if you're in the area. drop by. steve kornacki picks up the coverage right now. good morning this thursday. i'm steve kornacki. we're now 166 days until the election. topping the agenda this morning, a debate we never saw something with hillary clinton refusing to debate bernie sanders. donald trump now says he's willing to go one on one with sanders before the june 7th california primary. but only at a price. >> if i debated him, we'd have such high ratings, and i think i should take that money and give
>> long live the king. until tomorrow, we say to you, sayanora. >> coming up, hardball with chris matthews. hillary's verdict on trump, you're fired. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. yesterday hillary clinton called donald trump a fraud who will scam the people of this country. today in major speech on foreign policy, secretary clinton landed her most penetrating attacks on trump yet saying the republican nominee is dangerous to america's national security. >> donald trump's ideas aren't just different. they are dangerously incoherent.
they're not even really ideas. just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds and out right lies. >> he is not just unprepared, he is tempermentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility. this is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes because it's not hard to imagine donald trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin. >> throughout the speech secretary clinton cited his own words that he's liable to do anything as president. >> he actually said, and i quote, maybe syria should be a free zone for isis.
oh, okay. let a terrorist group have control of major country in the middle east. then he said we should send tens of thousands of american ground troops to the middle east to fight isis. he also refused to rule out nuclear weapons against isis, which would mean mass civilian casualties. it's clear he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, so we can't be certain which of these things he would do, but we can be certain he's capable of doing any or all of them. >> in response donald trump tweeted bad performance by crooked hillary clinton. reading poorly from the teleprompter. she doesn't even look presidential. the latest national poll by nbc in the wall street journal shows that foreign policy is a vulnerability for donald trump. 56% of the voters picked clinton.
just 29% trump. also today, house speaker paul ryan came around to endorsing donald trump saying he would vote for him. here's what he wrote today after 29 days of deliberation and numerous meetings with the candidate. through these conversations i feel confident he would help us turn ideas into agenda. that's why i'm voting for him this fall. let me ask you about this. how powerful is it? how important is what she did today? >> it was powerful. it was scathing. it was unbelievable scathing. we're in early june and she's questioning the mental health of the presumptive nominee. i can't remember a campaign -- where do you go in october?
she's now doing the goldwater playbook. she's come a long way. >> anti-goldwater. >> this is lbj. this is saying if you vote for this man he will cause a nuclear war because he's not only thin skinned but mentally unstable. it was very powerful. what would be interesting to see if trump has a substantial response to this. what she didn't do, obviously, was talk about her own record. that's a vulnerability. >> others could have given this speech. >> marco rubio could have given it. >> it was a general anti-trump speech. back in '64, barry goldwater, who a lot of people liked. they did some shrinks to prove he have nuts. he said leave it of when to use nuclear weapons. that's what gave the reputation of an itchy trigger finger. trump is now getting that same
treatment from hillary. >> he is getting that treatment. i think it was a solid, strong speech on foreign policy. she showed she's capable of engaging in a street fight while appealing for cool heads all around. as we saw from the polls about the percentage of people that thinks she will handle foreign policy better, she's still only addressing an audience that likes her. she has said she wants to reach out to the moderate, thoughtful republicans. you can only do that if you connect the issues of foreign policy with the economy and why america, as a world leader is important for your jobs here at home. >> i agree with kim. i think she made a call today. i'm now going to take on and try to bring in the right. i'm going to forget bernie sanders. this speech, bernie sanders could have never given. she was talking about
intervention and duty. >> she did a remarkable charge. >> will a republican in the burbs go for this? >> how many heard this speech and absorbed it realtime as she was delivering it? that matters. you make the point of doing it now versus october. that's a big difference. folks are focused on graduation and a lot of different things. doesn't take away from the speech. what they now have to do, the clinton team is go out and really drill it down to your point, connect it to something real for the blue collar, suburban, moderate voters. i think she wants to do that. the question is, she still has a lot of baggage that was not addressed in her own foreign policy shortcomings. >> i was on the carter plane writing speeches when losing to reagan. we're still trying to win. carter said this is a decision
between piece and war. he said do he really say that. the idea was to hold that. you hold your conclusive summation until the end. do you keep saying that for sick months that this guy is frightening? can you do that? >> i'm not sure they have made that calculation yet. they have known she's been on the defensive on these issues related to libya and iraq. they thought let's pivot. we're going to go on offense and turn this up. if you're the hillary clinton campaign are you really thinking about your october foreign policy speech central or saying i got to get out of defense. >> trump was hitting her on those issues. >> he will continue hitting her hard.
>> clinton slammed trump for saying he would target the families of suspected terrorists citing the bin laden raid by her as the fight against terrorism should be waged. >> it matters when he says he'll order our military to murder the families of suspected terrorists. during the raid to kill bin laden, when every second counted, our seals took the time to move the women and children in the compound to safety. donald trump may not get it, but that's what honor looks like. >> i don't know how much sympathy there is out there for the american masses with that point. it's a legitimate point to make.
i don't know how much sympathy she's going to get. an honorable point to make but i don't know how much of a sympathy card it plays. >> she has to turn that one more notch and say, doing that kind of thing, in addition to being against the american values and against american military values, also creates more enemies. that's the point that has to be hammered home. >> trump talks about islam. >> she said that. >> she said it, but that's a point that has to keep coming again and again. >> is that too subtle? keeping muslims out of country. i don't know how they will check on religion. how do you do that at the airport? i've always wondered how that's done. put that aside.
nobody has made the argument, we've had it here, if you want them enemies, that's one way to make them enemies and a lot more people out to get us. >> she made that argument. she had a slight strange construct to her face where she said donald trump wants to keep a billion muslims out of america. what she was trying to say is you can't simply say there's all these people out there who can bring something to america. some of them live here. >> let's talk politics now. who's she talking to today? i think she's aiming at the intellectuals who write the op-ed people. >> thank you. this is not a blue collar man speech. >> she was also talking to the international diplomatic community. >> i agree with you. this was a speech for the
political elites. this was not for middle america. it was not for blue collar workers in the suburbs. it was not that kind of speech. it was very highbrow. it was important. i don't want to take away from that. the audience was much more narrow than a lot of people try to project it out to be. >> you know why you do it at daytime and not at nighttime. you have the whole afternoon for the op-ed writers. >> most folks are driving their buses and cabs now. they're not watching this speech. >> i disagree a little bit there. one of the more subtle aspects of this it's very much not a barack obama speech either. >> why wouldn't obama have given the speech. >> obama will always start a speech about foreign policy by acknowledging american failings, american mistake. this is a speech that could have been given before the vietnam war. >> that's what i think. >> barack obama would have
shaded this a lot more. something she signalled, i'm not sure who she is signaling too. middle america. >> what do you mean by shaded? throw shade on it. >> it's nuance. >> going back to the point i was making in the beginning, this was not a speech for blue collar voters. it was a speech for people who think about foreign policy on a daily basis already thinking about these issues. >> i'm sure there's blue collar people that think about foreign policy. >> sure. no disrespect. she spoke to military families, speak to the military considering the location where she was but also starting the conference about america's role in the world which is something that is on american voters mind. the way you connect it with jobs
in the economy so you want a trade war with china, the price of your ipad will go up. >> hillary clinton asked voters to imagine trump in the situation room of the white house. listen to this. >> imagine donald trump sitting in the situation room making life or death decisions on behalf of the united states. imagine him deciding whether to send your spouses or children into battle. imagine if he had not just his twitter account at his disposal when he's angry but america's entire arsenal. do we want him making those calls? i have a lot of faith that the american people will make the right decision. this is a country with a deep reservoir of common sense and national pride. we're all counting on that.
>> how does she maintain that line of attack in debates? if she is calling the guy dangerous, somebody like gwen saying you call this man dangerous. >> there's two things about that. someone a buddy of mine said when he heard that is didn't she say the same thing about barack obama. i think that was kind of the clinton line of barack obama. there's that aspect of it. we heard that before. the other thing is it does go to what you're saying about taking the rhetoric now and transporting it to a presidential stage and a debate. it's a very different situation. that one-on-one when it's
hillary and donald trump and that question comes up from a moderator such as yourself, how she responds in that moment will matter ten times more. >> this person should not be considered for president. >> she's got to maintain that throughout. >> beyond attacking donald trump, i think what struck me at the end of her speech was the message of positiveness. this isn't just about the politics of anger. this is positivity and as jeff was saying projecting the idea that america is powerful. we don't need to make it great again. it is still great. >> we're also forgetting one thing. i think she was trying to goad him into saying something more extreme. i think it was an attempt to humiliate him and put down his intelligence and see where she can get with that. >> this is the week he's having a tough week because all the reporters and editors have time for enterprising pieces.
they're piling on this week. kick him when he's down and see if he reacts. >> and if it sticks. >> he's going to read every word of this. >> one tweet so far. >> the tweet wasn't strong. crooked hillary was reading a teleprompter badly. she read it well, donald. thank you. coming up, donald trump is like a street fighter who will fight anyone for a dollar. today we learned he's been involved in 3500 lawsuits over the past 30 years. an unprecedented number for a presidential candidate. now he's facing more criticism for comments he made about the judge in the trump university fraud case. that's ahead. plus, more big companies are declining to help pay for the republican convention. that comes after a slew of high profile elected officials say nou announced they are staying away. bernie sanders campaign manager says sanders has nothing to hide
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if i win as president, it's a civil case, i could have settled this case numerous times, but i don't want to settle cases when we're right. i don't believe in it. when you start settling cases,
you know what happens, everybody sues you because you get known as a settler. one thing about me, i'm not known as a settler. >> welcome back to hardball. donald trump is a street fighter. he'll fight anyone in the house for a dollar. he's in a dispute and never backs down from a fight as he just said. his businesses have been involved in 3500 lawsuits. the sheer volume of lawsuits is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. no candidate of major party had anything approaching trump's courtroom entanglements. verdict, 450 wins, 38 losses. isn't that what you want for your president. susan page is washington bureau chief of usa today and john
braybender. >> we can't look at his record in government because he hasn't had government jobs. one of the primary tools he's done in striking deals and negotiating in dealing in the business world is through the courts. he's quick to sue. he has often sued in turn. that's one of the most substantive public records we have. >> what does it say about, i've been in politics on this before. is there something wrong with being sued? >> there's nothing wrong with being sued and nothing wrong with suing somebody. you look at the volume of cases that is extraordinary for people who have businesses like donald trump. you also look at the kind of priorities he sets when he pursues suits. he's very sensitive about his name, his brand. he's willing to devote enormous resources to suits that doesn't cost much money. he doesn't give them up.
>> first of all -- >> he likes to fight. >> some people find that endearing. that want the backbone of the president. >> do you like that? >> i do in some cases. i do think the story was very well done. i think it was very fair but i think there's a context that you have to look at it. the reason it's unprecedented to have somebody running for president with this many lawsuits because it's unprecedented to have a candidate running for business who has 500 businesses, which is how many there were. if you do the math, that's only three lawsuits where he was sued per business, which has a small business person that's not outrageous. i do think, however, it does go to the mind set of donald trump that he is not somebody that settles. this is a guy who will go fight even if it's going to cost
money. it's going to be up to voters if they think that's admirable or problematic. >> hillary clinton said we might find ourselves in a nuclear war because somebody gets under donald trump's skin. >> temperament and also his instinct is never to compromise, to negotiate, to settle. it's never that. >> don't you have to as president? >> the most successful presidents have had coalitions as one of their skills. >> the history you learn on this show is remarkable. >> the plane shot down over china and the korean airline shot down by the russian army. russian air force. reagan didn't go do war over those things. he said we'll get through it. we'll end this cold war.
does trump have that temperament to say i'm not going to let everything like that take me to war. >> this is the critical factor. nobody knows. it's something trump will have to prove in the coming months. that's a big problem. there's a huge shift in the clinton campaign if you looked at that speech today. number one if it was a national drinking game for every time she said trump that we had something, all of us would be under the table and nobody be going to work tomorrow. i bet she said his name 30 times. second of all she's decided there's two things. she's going to hit him on women's issues. if we treat women in other countries we would be out raged. she made the point do we really want to take the risk of donald trump. on the other hand i think trump will say we tried it your way. it's been embarrassing. we're getting sand kicked in my face. you see that in these lawsuits that he's not somebody that backs down. >> part of the ongoing class action lawsuit, the u.s. district judge has emerged as a
prime target of trumps. trump unleashed a highly personal attack on the judge that has taken many by surprise. >> it's a disgrace the way the federal court is acting because it's a simple lawsuit. i have a judge who is a hater of donald trump. a hater. he's hater. his name is gonzolo. he is not doing the right thing. the judge, who happens to be mexic mexican. that's great. i think that's fine. the judges in this court system, federal court, they ought to look into the judge because what he's doing is a total disgrace. >> the judge is prevented from responding directly. in an order unsealing the document the judge said he
placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue. maybe that's a good case study there. trump sees a hispanic name, spanish name and makes an assumption he doesn't like his issues on the border. there's trump saying this guy doesn't like me because of my position on the border. >> he was born in indiana and served as a prosecutor in san diego and went after drug cartels. >> trump's made this assumption that he's his enemy. >> that it matters that his parents immigrated. >> doesn't this get to the problem of trump? >> it's a big problem. first of all, none of us would be talking about this if he hadn't responded that way. second of all, i think the tone and tenor where it serves him
well in republican primaries, it's what also makes his vulnerable to winning in a general election to those who aren't sold on him. this means there's people around him that aren't saying what are you doing. you need people like that. >> yeah. i think it didn't work at all because he can't admit to his prejudices. he went after the guy's name. >> thank you. up next, toxic trump. big brands aren't enthusiastic about his republican convention in cleveland. how does he make himself more marketable? this is hardball, the place for politics. around here the early bird gets the waffle. but for all the other birds who could use a few more minutes of sleep, we've got you covered. enjoy free breakfast on the run and free wi-fi. get up to 20 percent off
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john mccain, george w. bush and george herbert walker bush will be skipping the convention this year. the home state senator rob portman from ohio has yet to decide if he will even show up at the convention held in his state. at least nine republican governors are sending regrets or remain noncommittal including home state governor john kasich. he may not even go from columbus to cleveland. jeremy peters is a reporter with the new york times and kelly ann conway is a republican strategist. which hat do you want to hear here, republican analyst or for
republican branding? tell me which and proceed. >> republican opinion and branding. i would say donald trump's audience is the rank and file voters. you're going to have prime time ratings like nobody has seen and you know it, including your network. >> we do want high audiences. let me ask you about the other politicians who aren't showing up. why wouldn't a guy like portman who is running for re-election, he's a solid senator probably will get reelected. he's in good shape. why wouldn't he show up to a convention in his own state? >> he may. he hasn't said whether he will or won't. he'll be campaigning in that state in and around cleveland. some of them are in tough re-election races. some of them rode in on the tea
party wave and have now switched the decaf. even john mccain has a tough primary race this time. >> can a -- i've read that is that rights really rise or fall depending on be power of the national ticket. can you divorce yourself from what happens that night? can you not be a republican that night just by not showing up at a convention? >> depends on what his message is at home. i think it's not a good thing for someone who's been on the inside for 30 years.
>> i did read about the pga in doral that in that case it wasn't about politics. the car company just didn't want to be down there competing with the brand of trump. >> it becomes about him. >> what about this toxicity thing. how powerful is it? >> it extends not just to republican delegates, it extends to corporations. what corporation is going to want their logo on the trump convention. >> even if you do both conventions? >> even if he does both conventions. the impression that will be left with people that you are somehow a corporation that supports trump's brand of divisive politics. it's not something they will want even if they're giving money to the convention.
>> there was in notion that certain brands were connected. >> you know how cautious these corporations are. they are exceedingly cautious. >> that part is true. >> a number of them don't want to have anything to do with him. >> for example, hillary clinton, the ultimate politician, ultimate insider, secretary of state, u.s. senator now running for president for a second time, she and people associated with her have been to k street lobbying the political arms of these corporations. she gave 92 speeches. she's corporate america's sweetheart. >> did you memory eaize all tha? >> no. you know better than that.
>> thank you. up next, what's he waiting for? why won't bernie sanders release more than one year of his tax returns. the roundtable is coming here. you're watching hardball, the place for politics. ♪ nah. what else? what if we hire more sales reps? ♪ nah. what else? what if we digitize the whole supply chain? so people can customize their bike before they buy it. that worked better than expected. i'll dial it back. yeah, dial it back. just a little. live business, powered by sap. when you run live, you run simple.
welcome back. tax season is coming on for all of us but so far only one remaining candidate has released her tax returns. that's hillary clinton, of course. both bernie sanders and donald trump have yet to do so. last night i spoke with sanders campaign manager, jeff weaver. >> why do you think trump is holding out his tax returns? everybody says he will be under
tremendous pressure. he's going to be the nominee. against either candidate, your candidate or hillary clinton, he's under incredible pressure to release his tax returns. he refuses to do it and saying i'm under audit which nobody believes. >> maybe he doesn't make as mchp as he says or pays a lower tax rate. there's something he's trying to conceal. >> why is your candidate not releasing his tax returns? >> he did release one year. >> he's got house and senate ethics. >> you said that trump is hiding something by not releasing his tax returns. what is your candidate hiding? >> my candidate is not hiding anything. >> why doesn't he release the tax returns? >> he has released some. >> one year. >> any way, joining me tonight is the roundtable.
okay. i am what i am. i wanted to find out why he wouldn't release the tax returns. i said go after trump for a while. after he chews on trump, i said how about your guy. nobody thinks bernie sanders is rich. he's been asked over and over again, he's running as the moderate progressive. why doesn't he release his tax returns? what's going on here? i got a commitment from jeff, he will do it before the convention at some date. >> it seems issususpicious. everyone does it. you'll take a hit if you doesn't do it. they're smart people. they have to be thinking there's a bigger downside to whatever is in the tax returns than they are taking. >> if it's better than it looks, you show it. if it's worse, you don't. >> it seems hypocrite cal. >> notice how quick he was to
chew all over trump for not doing it. >> any time you say my candidate has nothing to hide, you're losing. >> i think that -- >> what's he hiding? >> there's a couple of things. he could be a bit nervous about scrutiny over the $200,000 severance package that his wife to do after she saddled it with debt. the news came out that the college is sinking. that's going to look bad for them. >> that's like one ofthe snake the big thing in it. >> it also could be it looks bad that he expensed or he wrote off business lunches on his taxes for the one year he put out. the other years could look worse. he's made it central tenet to criticize rich people for what they write off and it's embarrassing for something to look bad like that for him. >> i think you bring up a good point. we know -- >> i'm just asking. >> we know more about donald
trump steaks than bernie sanders financial history. >> why has the press not done enterprising reporting on sanders. he's the front-runner. he's going to win this thing, but bernie's in the fight. i think the republicans have left him alone because they want to fatten him up. that's my thinking. >> the whole time he's kind of run in the shadows, behind the scenes and it's worked. he's still turning out all these people. i think the press has been giving him a pass. it will be curious to see what's in there. >> his opponent is giving him pass. they knew all this stuff as well. they decided it's better strategy. >> not to take him. any other candidate, the press wouldn't have to do the job because the campaign would be doing it. >> we'll be right back. we're going to come back and ask these people, tell me something i don't know. we'll be right back.
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tell me something i don't know. >> the superdelegates keep being part of the conversation. even if bernie sanders were to take the superdelegates from where he's won, he's still behind. there is no plausible way or combination for him. >> why does he keep saying superdelegates -- he lost the primary and the caucus delegates. >> i don't know, chris. >> laura? >> hillary clinton's campaign came out today and told "the huffington post" that she supports the death penalty for dylann roof. which is really interesting. >> tell me about the case. >> so he's the charleston shooter. he shot -- i believe killed nine people in a historically black church. >> what's her bar on the capital punishment issue? >> she says the most heinous crimes, unclear what that means except the roof case is one.
it's interesting because bernie opposes the death penalty in all cases. >> this is where i have a problem. you know, when somebody goes into a starbucks, ties up all the employees, working minimum wage, ties them in the basement and systematically executes them, this guy gets off? where do you draw the line? there's hard stuff that goes on -- >> someone needs to ask her. it's hard to say the most heinous crimes and not define what you mean by that. >> marco rubio will coach his kids' football team next season because he's not rung for re-election. >> wouldn't it be more fun to coach a football team? are you a father? >> i'm a father. >> no football? >> no, i'm sure he's a good father. i saw him at church one time, i am impressed with him personally. this thing today, hillary clinton gave a pastor piece speech today, i think. i think it's going to have an impact on the world community, diplomats, foreign press, hm, serious person running here. it was a speech i wouldn't have given. it was a little more
pre-vietnam, a little more in terms of u.s. intervention around the world unapologetic despite the mistakes she's made with iraq, syria, libya. no apology, she didn't experience that. is that going to help her? >> it's going to help with insiders. you know this regular americans are worried about their paychecks and their wages and their kids' education. you know, foreign policy candidates typically aren't the ones who are elected. it has to be a part of her portfolio but most voters won't pay attention to it at all. >> i've said donald trump doesn't have the temperament, he's a hothead, he can't be trusted with the nuclear button. this is the stuff lbj if you watch all wait against goldwater. >> right. her gloves are really off today. i haven't seen her like that before. i think it actually is really going to help her. because it's appealing to people's sense of fear. she's using the word terrorist, saying can you imagine trump in the situation room having to deal with this? >> the narrative that he's scary
and crazy is helpful. >> absolutely. >> the trouble with this is, this is how we got into iraq. fear of nuclear war. ridiculous iraq was going to attack us with a nuclear weapon. now we're back again, elect somebody because of the fear of nuclear war. >> i think she was trying to get a reaction out of donald trump. i think it will be interesting to watch his twitter feed the next 12 to 24 hours to see if he takes the bait. >> he called her crooked hillary today and said she was lousy reading the teleprompter. do you think he can reduce the importance of her speech by being so lazy talking about it? this isn't worth my trouble? >> i think one tweet can donald trump can take the whole news cycle a different direction, he knows that. >> who won the news battle today? paul ryan, speaker of the house, coming out for trump? or hillary gave a pretty good speech? >> i think we're talking more about hillary. we're talking about it right now. about hillary's speech than ryan. he's supposed to come out for his nominee. >> okay.
>> you know ryan as speaker of the house is not going to want a democratic president so i don't think that was as surprising as hillary's speech. >> does anybody know ryan? i don't know him very well. >> personally? >> do you know him if. >> no. >> what's the story on the guy? >> he did come out with -- >> you know paul ryan. i think a lot of people in this city and american politics don't really know the guy. >> i would agree with that. he stays in his office. he's not in d.c., he's back home sunday night with dinner with his family every weekend. >> peter the hermit. >> he's not a hermit. >> that's not a knock, he's a saint. when we return, let me finish with the news we made here last night. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. to do one thing & another. only at&t has the network, people, and partners to help companies be... local & global.
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let me close tonight with the news made here last night. we had the campaign manager for senator bernie sanders here. he committed to the senator releasing his tax returns from over the years. he did so after nailing donald trump for not doing the very same thing. so the question arises and hangs up there, is why sanders has not released his tax returns except for that one year of 2014. here's the back and forth from last night that sets up that question and campaign manager jeff weaver's response and his commitment. >> you said that donald trump would not release his tax returns because he was obviously trying to hide something. what is senator sanders hiding? >> he's hiding nothing. i think if you talk to anybody in the media who saw those tax
returns from 2014, everybody thought there was going to be some big thing -- >> i never said there was. >> zero. >> i'm asking the question, live right now, you went after trump for not releasing his returns. why isn't your guy doing it? >> trump's a flimflam artist and a fraud -- >> flimflam is when you don't adjust yourself to the question i asked. why doesn't your guy release the returns? >> i think that he will. >> he will? >> sure. he said he will. >> senator sanders will release his tax returns during the course of this campaign? >> he said he would. >> before the convention? >> he said he would, yes. >> can you give me a date? >> i'd be happy to get you a date, chris. >> mr. weaver here last night said he'd be happy to give us a date when his candidate's going to release his many years of tax returns. if it's a tough thing for trump he won't release his returns, if it raises questions about what he's not ready to let us know, it's a question for bernie sanders. hillary clinton, a person not known for her love of putting out personal information, has met the usual standard.