Dannel daniel. In 2008, i want to get this right, you thought hillary would make an excellent president. As recently as 2012 you thought she would be terrific. What happened. Let me just explain to you. When i was a businessman i had a beautiful story trump a worldclass businessman all over the world, i speak well of everybody. They ask me about hillary, shes wonderful, everybody is wonderful. Including contributions. I give everybody contributions. You were full of [ bleep ] when you said that. Thats one way to look at it. Its thursday, happy thursday. May 26th. Okay, now, stop it here. With us on set veteran columnist
and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. Where have you been . Paris. Thats kind of nice. Cofounder politico jim. Where have you been . Working and doing secret things. Then theres donny, we know where hes been, former advertising executive and marketing Donny Deutsch. And al hunt with us. Good to have you aboard. Obviously, a lot to get to this morning. Good news obviously. A lot of front pages, Hillary Clinton coming under intense fire from her own state department faulting the clintons on the email server. Theres the the front page of the New York Times. Also, of course, on the front page of the wall street journal. That is the big news today. Lets start there. She was hoping to have a big endorsement, United Auto Workers
and 400,000 members. Thats pretty big. Instead this report from the Inspector Generals Office of the state Department Took the narrative in a very different direction. The report concluded she violated federal records act by not turning over all official emails before she left office. The report found there was no evidence she requested or received approval to use her account for official business. Clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. My personal email use was fully above board, allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. What i did was allowed by the state department but wasnt the best choice. I have been as transparent as i could be. You said it was allowed. Under the rules of the state department. Nobody signed off on it. No. It was allowed. One of my predecessors have done
the same. Others in the government have done things at high level. Because the rules did change after i left the state department. At the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. As i have said many times, it was absoluted permitted. I did it and it turned out to be a mistake. It wasnt the best choice. Jim, first of all, we said all along the state department didnt allow this. People at the highest reaches of the state Department Said she never asked us, its not allowed. They kept saying it day in and day out. They talk about trust. Here we have donald trump who on a lot of issues changes with the wind and is accused of not being honest and trustworthy. You look at poll numbers, his numbers are horrific, just as
bad as Hillary Clintons and this is yet another nail in the coffin. Look at the clips, shes not telling the truth, i think shes trying to convince hers. She said it was authorized, its okay, not a big deal. The report says, no, no, no, youre wrong. This is her state department. She ran the state department. The ig running the investigation. You have two candidates who 60 of the people think dishonest. You look at this week of the campaign. Its going to be a battle of negativity. Clinton maintained the server was never breached. The report tells of one incident that an adviser shut it down under concern it was under attack. Footnotes tell of an incident
that Hillary Clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her email after getting an oom with a suspicious link. They should be notified. In the report, no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. Donny, this goes to National Security. Biggest concern is National Security. People act like theres much ado about nothing. Actually a lot of classified documents, materials going through the server. The great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. Not a knife to the heart but a flesh wound. In the advertising business brand positioning, brand support. If her brand is
untrustworthiness, this is one more in there. This is going to be equally gross counterpunching. How would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. He would be saying, emails. Youre kidding me. Me, colin powell, made a mistake, look at Hillary Clinton, she killed convenience foster. The difference is trump, no matter what you throw at him, hes got the counterpunch. No matter what you throw at hillary she never has a way of swatting it back. Its not devastating, if the game is to make trump less temperamental and less emotionally unstable, you could move the needle. Here is the problem, though. Trump, he lies about trump success. He lies about some of the success of his business
ventures. He flip flops on issues where he was a reality show host when he took those positions. And it seals like its down here. With Hillary Clinton you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified emails, classified information and 22 emails that the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on Americas National securi security. When were talking about honest and trustworthy, i dont know she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. Weve been talking about the top of this story, headlines of this story, lead of this story. Within the report there are other devastating issues. The fact she declined repeatedly
Inspector Generals request for an interview. Of other secretary, colin powell, condoleezza rice, all were interviewed. Goes to that bunker mentality of secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. In june 2011 the state department, secretary of state, sent out a cable to all consular and diplomatic posts urging them and commanding them, basically, to stop using home email for anything having to do with state department business. Yet she did not follow that edict. A cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. So when she says it was allowed. She never asked for permission. The Inspector General stated she never asked for permission to use a personal email and he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. Hes salivating. Hes not only got lyin hillary hes got dangerous hillary will
shes dangerous. She cant be president. Entitled. Hes got 10 new words for her. By the time this is done, it will seem like according to trump she sent directly to putin emails she wasnt supposed to. You know, joe, what this could really mean, i dont know how the public reacts to this and goes, whatever, turn the page and go to the sport page but adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons and these a huge burden for her to carry. A lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and on paper say this isnt going to have a big impact outline, a big impact on hillarys numbers. Who cares about the emails. What we believe and what weve seen is you go to the subset question of ones and trustworthy. It has had a devastating impact
on that. Lets remember Hillary Clinton was a woman with Approval Rating around 65, 66 when she left the state department. Her numbers have plummeted. And in large part ive got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. Again, its not from breitbart, its not from drudge. This started with New York Times and here we have Hillary Clintons own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these emails. Joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for tag her from 60 approval down to 30 approval. I think it really is serious and it raises another question, what kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have . Why didnt someone say, im sorry, madam secretary, you should not do this. She shouldnt have done it but she should have had people around her raising questions,
enablers, that raises questions about who is surrounding her. I agree with everything said. She broke the rules. Thats really bad. The really big issue here is did she break the law and that will be determined in the next couple weeks. If that should happen, which i actually suspect they will rule she didnt, joe, but i dont know, if that should happen it would be lethal. Lets go through some of the details here that are troubling and definitely conflict with what she said before. Clinton campaign released a statement that said this. Inspector generals documents, just how consistent her email practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials an state department. Even thats not accurate. Remember i said the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s, government reform and oversight committee, they would bring in
people like Bernie Nussbaum who would lie to us. You were there, jim. In a lot of these hearings the people on the podium would be laughing because they knew they were lying. Bernie nussbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. Everybody in the crowd was laughing because they knew they were lying. They would come and tell fantastical tales everybody knew wasnt true. It would happen week in and week out. I dont understand why you put out a Statement Like that. Stop digging. Stop digging. I screwed up. Im terribly sorry. I hope the American People will forgive me and i hope they will let us move onto the issues that matter. Stop lying. Stop digging. A spokesman for Bernie Sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. Donald trump, well, he relished
the story on the campaign trail. She had a little bad news today as you know. Some reports came down that were not so good. Inspector generals report, not good. But i want to run against hillary. It could be were going to run against crazy bernie. That could be. Crazy burnie. Hes a crazy man, but thats okay. We like crazy people. I hear they want to put biden in. I hear they are going to actually slip biden in and hes going to take bernies place. Mika, a typical response we have come to expect from mr. Trump. I think he was tame there. Crazy bernie. But he likes crazy guys. Crazy guys are okay. Im just saying. Joining us now from capitol hill politicos rachels bay
reporting on the email server. In your article you highlight this particular exchange, november 2010 when emails to Department Employees were not being received. According to the Inspector General, clinton was urged to use state email or to release her email address to the department. Clinton responded writing, quote, lets get separate address or device, because i dont want any risk of the personal being accessible. What do you think is the significance of that exchange. Theres actually two things significant about that exchange. The first one being this an email we havent seen before. Where has it been the whole time . Did the state department have it or not release it or turn it over. An if change with one of her close advisers, houma abedin. It speaks to the conversation saying she used this personal email server for convenience. Here her response basically is shes worried about privacy issues. She doesnt mention anything about convenience. Theres another problem in the story i highlight that i think really speaks to contradicting information. Clinton has said all along that theres been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got ahold of now classified information. It turns out that one of bill clintons closest staffers who set up the server and set up her email, emailed houma abedin said, listen, were getting hacked. I need to shut down the server, it got hacked twice in one day. Houma rooechd out to staff, one of her top policy advisers said, listen, since were getting hacked dont send, quote, Sensitive Information to the
secretary. Had the clinton team not repeatedly denied there had been any hacking concerns . This is exactly right. Theres been no evidence of hacking. Could she say my staff never told me about this . How many people would believe this. If her closest staffer and bill clintons staffer knew about this. Cheryl mills knew about this. I. T. Guys emails are gone, wouldnt he be in charge i. T. Emails scrubbed. Am i bringing in something random, the guy who set up the server, wasnt he given immunity and they cant find emails were destroyed. To trump on this. This is bigger news for trump than hillary. If you didnt have a candidate like trump, this is baked in, we move on. Hes going to be like a dog with a bone. Picture in a debate and she says something. Well, mr. Clinton, how can we believe anything you say . Can you tell us more about the emails. To your point, which is interesting i hadnt thought about before, joe, rare point, in citeful. Coming from intellectual heavyweight like you i appreciate it. Trump its reality star stuff where the stakes, no pun intended are are hillary. Also what was said about the iraq war. Rachael, you were going to say something, the guy whose emails are lost, am i correct these are still lost . These are the man who set up the server who is not talking, at least publicly. Thats correct. I reported on this. His technology at the state department was seized. Its unclear if those emails were deleted and cant find them or the fbi has his technology and backed up on that
technology. Another thing interesting, people at the state department, lower level employees who heard about her use of email and server brought it up to bosses and said, we dont think this is allowed. How are they doing this. They were told basically sit down and be quiet, its none of their business and never bring it up again. Who said that to whom . Its unclear exactly who testified to ig but two separate employees on separate occasions brought this up to their boss. By the way, their boss was called into the Benghazi Committee and told the Benghazi Committee, this same gentleman, he couldnt remember anything about this. Wow. The official said at the time, the exact quote in the report, never to speak of the secretarys personal email system again. Exact report. Well find who that was. Rachael, thank you very much. Thank you so much. As far as trump goes, the thing i see, his response last night was just a rambling respon response, just sort of word salad as usual. You sit and wonder mike barnicle, is bib ever going to be able to sit down with donald trump and say you actually have a chance because of the problems that your opponent is having to be the next president of the United States. Do you think now may be the time you stop winging it, you stop attacking some of the most important republican governors in america, that you stop playing this like youre in a wrestling match in like a ditch on the side of one of your golf courses . How much longer is this going to go on before somebody over there gets serious about the fact that this man is running for president of the United States
and not the next ceo of wwe. Joe, ill tell you one thing, the world is aware that donald trump is running for president of the United States. Millions and millions of people in the United States are aware of that. The media has got to do a better job than weve been doing. The vince foster quote is a flair sent up in front of the media. Its difficult to pin him down, its difficult to get him to answer a question. We all know that. But we have to do a better job at this. How many narcissists do you know that change their behavior, recidivists do you know that change their behavior and its working. Thats why hes done it. After ohio this is a guy, as you said, this is a big ego, i know, you dont. As long as his numbers go in the right direction hes going to say screw you. Thats what i would do. Watch the full speech. It wasnt just an attack on Hillary Clinton. He went after mitt romney,
saying he looks like a penguin, went after three politicians, called Elizabeth Warren pocahontas. He called hillary a low life. Again, hes been saying, people around the campaign have been saying hes going to make the turn. Mika weve been saying time and again, he said it to you, hes going to make the turn. Any turn he made, actually, has been much, much worse. It reminds me of the two weeks leading into wisconsin. He had a devastating result in wisconsin. He cleaned up after wisconsin, started acting more president ial and started winning states again. So here we find our selves at the key moment for him where hes got to turn that ship around and start getting people across the rust belt. We have a poll on that. Women and others more comfortable with him. Hes just going in a different direction. When do we make the decision in the media, editorial decision to stop carrying aspect of the trump dump, daily aspect of the trump dump. It will never happen. Sounds good. I agree with the critique, you think tv will stop airing him. Hes great box office. By the way, its not that hes great box office. I can name you 10 candidates that rated higher than donald trump. Chris christie always outrated donald trump when he came to the show. Its in the numbers. Bernie sanders always outrated donald trump when it came on the show. Its the story. What he says so inflammatory, attacks Susana Martinez, female hispanic head of the governors association. Thats the story. Unbelievable story. We have to cover that. Hillary clinton attacked the
head of the Democratic Governors Association we would have to cover that. In trumps mind hes a benevolent bully. He gets to do what he wants. Look, guys, youre in this business. Were going to cover it, were not going to stop covering it. Its damn interesting to watch. Kind of pathetic but damn interesting. Ive said it a million times, i dont know why anybody would listen to me, we were so wrong about him in the primary oh, by the way we called it from the first state. I dont know why they wouldnt understand. Im sure they do. What weve been saying for a long time, what works in the republican primary will not work in the fall. Let me say it again one last time. What works in the republican primary in the deep south will not work in the fall in the suburbs of pennsylvania, philadelphia. Still ahead on morning joe, donald trump says hell rewrite the electoral map to win in november. New polling this morning shows the very people he needs to do
that are right now going for clinton. Well have those new numbers. Also ahead, senator Claire Mccaskill, Nbcs Chuck Todd and Washington Post robert costa. First bill karins with a check on the forecast. Bill. Scary tornado in kansas. Were lucky we didnt have fatalities. Lucky we didnt have reports of injuries. This on the ground yesterday, very well captured by Storm Chasers all over the plains. This one was out by abilene, an hour west of topeka, kansas, and tore up 1,000 feet of train tracks. Did take out 15 to 25 homes, almost completely destroyed. A lot of heads up to get out of the way. That was a wedge tornado, at one point a half mile wide. Unfortunately going to do it again today. Before we get to the tornado threat, people in iowa heading into wisconsin. Weve had 60 to 80mileanhour wind gusts, lost power throughout northeast iowa. This line is now going to cross into wisconsin here. Still packing a punch, keep that in mind heading out early today. Southern portion of that line,
st. Louis go through these thunderstorms, too. Now rolling through illinois, quincy and champagne. 28 Million People at risk. Today would be our tornado day, expect an active afternoon. Wichita, this area could see a few strong tornadoes. Here is our tornado risk map. Higher percentage better chance of tornado. Thats 10 , 5 mostly targeting tornado alley, kansas and southern nebraska. As far as east coast, warmest day yesterday since september and were going to do it all over again today but with a little catch. Were going to add some humidity. Dont we love that humidity. Washington, d. C. , at sunrise. More morning joe when we come back. Does your makeup remover every kissproof,ff . Cryproof, stayproof look . Neutrogena® makeup remover does. It erases 99 of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. Need any more proof than that . Neutrogena. Imagine if the things you bought every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. With the united mileageplus explorer card, youll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes. Priority boarding. And 30,000 bonus miles. Everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. The united mileageplus explorer card. Imagine where it will take you. No, youre not yogonna watch it tch it we cant let you download on the goooooo youll just have to miss it yeah, youll just have to miss it we cant let you download. Uh, no thanks. I have x1 from xfinity so. Dont fall for directv. Xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. I used to like that song. They are paying very close attention to this election. I think its fair to say they are surprised by the republican nominee. They are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements but they are rattled by it. And for good reason. A lot of proposals hes made display either ignorance of World Affairs or a cavalier attitude or or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and whats required to keep the world on an even keel. Barack obama speaking of donald trump. Also, big coincidence, speaking of himself. Foreign leaders rattled by donald trump. They have been rattled by barack obama as have all of us. Speaking of g7 concern about donald trump. We do have new numbers on the 2016 race, a series of polls from Bloomberg Politics. Purple slides. Great soft drinks, purple slides. In a poll voters earning 30 to 75 in the rust belt states of michigan, ohio, pennsylvania and risk, Hillary Clinton leads with 46 over donald trump at 39 . Like the rest of the country, both trump and clinton are deeply unpopular with Trump Holding net negative 30 points and clinton a net negative 14 points. A plurality of 45 say they are open to third party candidate, 35 say no and 20 are not sure. The rust belt middle earners like clinton on questions they like clinton on questions of Foreign Policy and fighting for the middle class. She has a nearly 21 average over trump on tremp ramt, 49 to 22 and more find her ready to lead on day one, 46 to 32 for trump of but these americans believe trump will be better for
making change in washington. 46 say he knows how to create jobs, 31 say clinton and he has an 11 point lead and will best combat terrorism. Hes ahead on who will reign on wall street. Asked how they feel about the 2017 campaign, 30 of rust belt middle income voters say they are afraid, far ahead of dissolutioned at 19 , pessimistic at 17 with only 16 optimistic. Let me get al hunt really quickly. Bloomberg commissioned this poll with purple slice, not just for previous anymore. Tell us about the rust belt. Thats where donald trump is supposed to be strongest right now. Looks like hillary has a significant lead. These are voters trump needs to win the election they are working class rust belt voters,
pennsylvania, wisconsin. If hes going to win the notion, conventional wisdom is that trump will do better than these voters than most republicans do and a lot better than mitt romney did. In this poll hes not. A lot has to do with his negatives rather than feeling good about her. Mika showed some of his negatives. Let me give one more, which will be telling. We asked who would be a better role model for your children and who would you want in your home. Shes not popular but she clobbers him on these issues. People dont think he would be a role model for their children. They dont think they want him in their home. Thats particularly true of women. Joe, i think it goes to what you said earlier about his tone. The pollster who did this, doug usher said, a lot of dislike of donald trump among these voters has to do with his tone and temperament. If he cant change that, i think hes going to have a hard time
turning these voters around. Donald trump is politically hes playing he wants to get up to 10,000 seat arena. Hes basically playing a gig where he hits 2500 really intense fans. They come out and they scream every night and they think hes the greatest indy band in the world, but he wants to get to the hockey arenas, wants to play to the 10,000 crowds. But he cant ever discipline himself and be arcade fire and make that jump. Hes just going to keep playing for the 2500, because the addiction of the screaming look at it. He loves it so much, hes not going to actually risk what it takes to actually stop the same routine, to expand his base, to stop the screaming, to stop calling Hillary Clinton a low
life. What were some of the other insults last night. To stop all the insults. By the way, mitt romney, the last weekend ive talked about this before, romney people were calling me saying were going to win this. Were in pennsylvania, we have 35,000 people. They are going crazy. They are screaming. They are out of their mind crazy. Bernie has big crowds in california. Lets see how that goes. Joe, we were talking during the break about the addiction. Most of his ridiculous comments come when hes feeding off the crowd as a drug. I think even when he starts the speech and hes not intending, i think he gets caught up on that drug. Al brought up an interesting thing, its the first time ive heard it and ive always felt this way. Its the role model thing. The parents you get in there at the end of the day and close that curtain. If donald trump is elected there will be a cultural shift forget political shift, cultural shift on whats acceptable behavior in school yards and
schools. Bill clinton did in the 90s. Just like bill clinton did in the 90s in a negative way. On a very tough day for the Clinton Campaign with the state department revelations, email stuff, the one bright spot in her day could well be, and al alluded to this, the result does donald trump have the right temperament to be president. Its a resounding 49 to 22 . Hillary clinton has the right temperament as opposed to donald trump. Do you want donald trump in your living room every day for the next four years. Al, one of the great quotes of fdr, second rate intellect but first rate temperament. A lot of people probably would have said the same thing about ronald reagan. Temperament makes all the difference in the world when youre sitting behind that desk. Right now most americans have judged donald trump to have a third or fourth rate temperament. And his people close to him are pushing him to select newt gingrich, another very bright
man with a third rate temperament to be his vice president. Joe, im cheering that. The Family Value Party with six marriages on the ticket, you cant top that. Youre absolutely right about the temperament. Americans often, not always, but often, vote for the president ial candidate that they find most personally appealing. I think if we look at our last 10 or 12 elections most of the time thats happened. People dont find Hillary Clinton personally appealing. They find donald trump even less appealing. Thats what he has to address now. These four states, and i think jim can address that, hes got to compete and win a couple of these states. Pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, wisconsin. If he should lose all four of those states, its almost impossible for him to get to 270. All right. Mustread opinion pages are ahead. Were back in just a moment. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. There is only one place where real and amazing live. Seaworld. Real. Amazing one coat, yes there is a day, for every number. There is a time, for all my slumbers. One coat guaranteed marquee interior. Behrs most advanced paint. Get the best paint for any budget and save 10 or 40 bucks. Only at the home depot. I thought my bladder leakage meant my social life was over. It scared me and caused a lot of disappointment and how i feel about myself. Wearing depend underwear has helped me feel more connected to the people around me. I know that im protected, im not thinking about bladder leakage and im meeting people. I feel really grateful just to be absolutely free. Unlike the bargain brand, new depend fitflex underwear is now more flexible to move with you. Reconnect with the life youve been missing. Get a free sample at depend. Com. Up next before we see a clintonsanders debate, could we see a trumpsanders debate . Did you hear about this . A reminder, sign up for morning joe newsletter to get highlights sent straight to your inbox every day. You go to joe. Msnbc. Com to subscribe. Were back in a moment. You know when i first started out, it was all pencil and paper. The surface pro is very intuitive. I can draw lightly, just like i would with a real pencil. Ive been a forensic artist for over 30 years. I do the composite sketches which are the bad guy sketches. You need good resolution, powerful processor because the computer has to start thinking as fast as my brain does. I do this because i want my artwork to help people. [engine revs] [engine revving] the allnew audi a4 is here. In the country have in common . Many of them now call Cancer Treatment centers of america home. Expert medicine works here. Find out why at cancer center. Com. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. I asked Bernie Sanders because hes going to be here tomorrow to ask a question. Have you met bernie in have you met before. Ive never really had the privilege. Here is the question from bernie. He asked Hillary Clinton backed out of an agreement to debate me in california before the june 7th primary. Are you prepared to debate the major issues facing our largest state and the country before the california primary, yes or no. Yes i am. How much is he going to pay me. Trump says he would take the money an give it to charity. The response from sanders, swift. Game on. I look forward to debating donald trump in california before the june 7th primary. Wow, all right. That will be fun. You wonder why they both would do it and you think about it and you can see it. It would be huge. Washington bureau chief here to reveal this weeks cover story. How far will bernie go . His unlikely crusade became a genuine campaign. Now sanders faces a choice and a test. Msnbcs Thomas Roberts also joins the table. How far will he go . Michael, go ahead, tell us. Farther than you probably thought before is the answer. This is a guy if you talked to him before he announced his campaign was incredibly focused on issues, elevating the conversation. If you talk to him now, hes incredibly angry. Hes been personally affected by some of the shots clinton has taken at him. He also sees himself closer than ever before to his lifes work, which is elevating this ideological crusade. His message never changed since he was 22 years old. Now hes getting these giant crowds and hes not going to back down. The thing to remember about Bernie Sanders, hes never been
a democrat. His interests have never been with the Democratic Party. Its a very different calculation than for Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was furious at barack obama but had an allegiance to the party he doesnt have. Hes not. Hes an independent. Im not saying that as a negative. Look at his voting record. Right. But hes not a member of the Democratic Party. Im not being snippy. Its like saying i live in connecticut. He is not a democrat. Look at his voting record. Hes not a democrat. Not a registered democrat. Records dont matter. Thomas. Records dont matter. Donald trump has no record, he says whatever he wants. Clinton makes up things about her emails. The reality is hes not a democrat. Hes voted with the democrats 99 of the time. His loyalty, though just letting you know. Loyalty goes to the issues first. Of democrats. And then the Democratic Party
like second, third, or fourth, which causes the problem. Its the same thing with donald trump. Donald trump belatedly became a republican. His loyalty is not to the Republican Party. His loyalty is to donald trump. Perhaps Bernie Sanders loyalty to the party would be different if the party was actually fair to him. And if he were actually a democrat. A new poll showing a dead heat in california. Public policy institute of california out with clinton at 46 , sanders at 44 , much closer, margin of error of about 5 . To mikas point hes definitely demonstrated a lean toward democratic policies but he is the ultimate outsider that wants to be the ultimate insider now of Democratic Party policy. Michael, talk about the friction between Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Party. We talked about one thing hes been an independent. Secondly a concern the party voiced time and time again. Hes not going to have another run for president. This is it for him and he knows it. Thats right. I think to mikas point he hasnt been treated fairly by Democratic National committee. I dont think any objective observer would argue Debbie Wasserman schultz has been. Over the weekend he rattled off with great fury and excitability all the way hes been wronged by the Clinton Campaign. He called david brock the scum of the earth. He mentioned nra attacks, the auto bailout. This is a guy who has always been a fighter. Hes hit back at clinton pretty hard but he has a clear sense of fair play. Another thing is hes building a
movement. Knot nothing builds a Movement Like outrage. You say he hasnt been getting treated fairly by the party im getting pushback especially by Hillary Clinton supporters saying thats not true. On what basis do you make that claim . I think the most obvious was the way the debates were from the beginning. It wasnt an antibernie decision. The decision made early on to deemphasize democratic debates far beyond where they had been in the past in a way that clearly for the nominee. They said the same as 2008. They say thats not true. I dont think that is true. I think there were more debates in 2008 than there were this time. They scheduled later debate after the initial round. But the original schedule for the debates that Debbie Wasserman schultz put in that were not going to be extended because they assumed that Hillary Clinton would do better than she did in iowa and New Hampshire was less than in 2008. They put in more debates, mike, and they put it at
horrible times. They put in more debates after Hillary Clinton needed more debates because it was tighter than they expected. Yeah. But the original debates as michael pointed out, talking with Bernie Sanders, at midnight on new years eve, stuff like that. Michael, in your time spent with senator sanders this weekend, does his legitimate anger against the dnc and his anger towards the clintons and the campaign being waged against him, did you get the sense it has blinded him to the reality that he is really hurt hrks campaign and intends to hurt her more Going Forward right up until the convention . Is that his plan . I think thats the most interesting question here. He still maintains and deeply believes donald trump, even though he debates next week and brings in lots of ratings will be an incredible step back for the country and a danger for the country. Hes taking a risk. Hes not admitting this risk, not discussing this risk. Its clear he knows theres a risk here. I think his calculation is that at least for the next couple of months leading into the convention to step back and not take that risk would be a bigger mistake. I think there is a clear danger. What were talking about is the 10 to 20 to 30 of his voters who like him are not democrats. These are people who didnt vote for barack obama, didnt identify with the party, dont like Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton needs in the general election against donald trump. We spoke to waitresses at cheesecake factories who were furious. Go to bernie rallies now people scream epithets at the crowd and say bernie or bust. Its gotten really rough. Let me ask about reporting, Terry Mcauliffe, federal investigations being launched of corruption situation, Campaign Funds what do you have . So i reported last night that
the chinese businessman named by cnn as the person whose contributions ar target of investigation by the fbi met with governor mcauliffe and Hillary Clinton at Hillary Clintons house in september 2013. This was a fundraiser she held there. Theres a big contribution to mcauliffes campaign shortly before that meeting. Shortly after the mega very large contribution, the first of several to the clinton foundation. This is news worthy because mcauliffe earlier this week came out and argued he never met wong, had nothing to do with the clintons. At times clinton fundraising apparatus and mcauliffe fundraising apparatus in 2013 had a lot of overlaps. Clinton was traveling the world raising money for the foundation and her and her husband were doing a lot to help Terry Mcauliffe in his governors bid. Terry mcauliffe said he never
met this man before. What he said was i dont remember if ive ever met him. The following day when the aides came to him and said, actually several meetings, one in richmond after you became governor. He clarified that and said i still wouldnt know the guy if i sat next to him. Despite the fact he actually took this man to Hillary Clinton. The most highprofile fundraiser mcauliffe had in 2013 was the event at hillarys house in washington, d. C. A lot of fundraisers had at hillarys house. Mr. Wong was one of the people who attended that fundraiser. All right. New issue of Time Magazine out. Michael scherrer, thank you so much. Thank you for doing way too early. Incredible job. Its fun. See you tomorrow on way too early still to come one top trump staffer leaves at weeks on the job. New signs of tumult on the job. Joes band is back, the show kicks off at 8 30. 8 30, its late. Thats like 3 00 in the morning for us. Thats not right. Back in a moment. More morning joe in just a moment. Think fixing your windshield is a big hassle . Not with safelite. This family needed their windshield replaced but theyre daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. So guess what, i met them at the zoo. Service that fits your schedule. Thats another safelite advantage. Safelite repair, safelite replace. Amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. Sleep number beds with Sleepiq Technology give you the knowledge to adjust for the best sleep ever. Save 500 on the memorial day special Edition Mattress with Sleepiq Technology. Plus 36 month financing. Know better sleep. Only at a sleep number store. Your hair is still thinning. You may have inactive follicles. Reactivate them with womens rogaine® foam the only once a day product, proven to regrow new hairs up to 48 thicker revive your va va voom and save on any rogaine® with usaa is awesome. Homeowners insurance Life Insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty
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cassius clay said. Welcome back. We have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, branding and marketing expert Donny Deutsch and moderator of meet the press chuck todd. We still have one more person. Al hunt is here. Columnist. Political reporter for Washington Post and msnbc political analyst robert costa. Good to see you guys. Just saying. Donny deutsch, youre the branding expert. Whats donald trump doing here . Donald trump is doubling down on what got him here. I have new words on his brand essence. I think benevolent bully. Hes a bully. The ends justify the means, im going to fight for you. Have you ever represented a suit that was popular in scranton but wanted to go nationwide. You had to describe to them, the
taste of scranton are unique to the great people of scranton wilkesbarre. If you want to go across the state of pennsylvania and perhaps, i dont know, nationwide you may have to change your marketing. Your marketing. Two explanations, if you had an intelligent conversation with an eighthgrader they would get this. One, this is a type of kroi who lives in his own world. Hey, its working so far, dont tell me what to do. He doesnt listen to anybody. On the second one, on some insane level he doesnt want to be president. Hes very clever, like him, dont like him. This is 101, the bar is so low. He doesnt have to be president ial, he just has to be ordinary. Mike, you were saying before. Have you a friend close to him that says hes scared to be
president. He doesnt want to be president. I will say, he knows what he is doing actually will not help him in the general election right now. You think he knows that . Yes, he knows that. Hes a smart guy. Hes a branding expert. Is he a selfaware guy. He knows what to win. He went against 16 others in the Republican Party. No one said he could win. He knew exactly what to do. He was who he had to be, even though it conflicted what he was in the past. He used his brain for the primary and hes not doing the same for the general. He knows. Hes on a day when you want hillary to lead the news cycle, the last thing you would be doing is put stupid comments out there. You would be like this so the lead story was Hillary Clinton. Let it lead. Chuck, its hard to explain. The only logical explanation would be selfsabotage sometimes. I dont get why is he picking a fight with Susana Martinez. Idiotic. Basically is essentially right now doing the same thing paul ryan is doing. He didnt do this to paul ryan. Paul ryan isnt on board yet. I have to say. Put that story in front because its such an interesting story. By the way. Sounds very logical. Were going to put that next. If you find one we would have spent about six minutes on hillary. Across america that checks off every single box of support that he needs to be president of the United States, it would be a hispanic female governor from a purple state who heads the
republican governors association. You cannot there is no to go out of his way to insult her, this is somebody not only should he be hands off, he should be vetting her to be a running mate. He should be hoping she would want to be a running mate. When donald trump criticized republican Governor Susana Martinez at her rally on tuesday night, the presumptive nominees former primary rivals took notice and are speaking out. Marco rubio tweeted yesterday, the truth is Governor Martinez is one of the hardest working and effective workers in america of jeb bush added, top, Governor Martinez is a leader of our party. Wisconsin said conservative reforms in blue state won twice by president obama winning reelection by the largest margin by a republican in state history. And john kasich said, martinez is an outstanding governor brought conservative reform to a blue state. Shes exactly who our party and
nominees should be lifting up and supporting, not tearing down. House Speaker Paul Ryan when asked about Governor Martinez said she cuts deficits, i think shes a good governor and i will leave it at that. Yesterday martinez added her own thoughts and her own words while speaking with reporters. Its politics. It really is, its just politics. Avis prosecutor for many years. Ive heard names been called a long time. Its not something thats going to affect me. One of the things that a lot of people are asking you is whether youre going to endorse trump. After last night can you give us a more definitive answer. I can tell you one thing, im not going to vote for Hillary Clinton. I can tell you im the same place i was before this event took place. We deserve to hear from a president ial candidate what they are going to do to deal with the issues that are facing new mexico. That was not discussed last night. Psychology barring trump used for selfawareness, he is so in his mind above it all, there are no sacred cows. He does not have to kiss any that is his great strength, he has that no shame thing. Hes not a politician. He doesnt care. Guess what, if he wins, he wins, if he loses, its fantastic. Somebody very, very close to donald trump and the family said you have to remember with the family its all about the last name. What does this do the Susana Martinez issue and mitt romney walking like a duck and choking like a duck, what does this do with paul ryan who indicates hes sort of thats what i wonder. Can ryan i think if he
endorses him, it oddly looks really weak. I think hes put himself in a box. I almost think hes put himself in a position of saying, you know, look, im the leader of the Republican Party and the house. Im doing everything i can to reelect a republican house. I will do whatever i can to help donald trump help senate candidates. You do everything and say, you know what, ill worry about who i vote for later. Al hunt, weve had a couple of republicans come on the show actually and say that they are supporting donald trump because they dont want Hillary Clinton to win. Can paul ryan do that . Is that enough . Is that enough of an argument for support of trump . How does paul ryan get a spine like Susana Martinez does . When trump is tearing apart his former running mate, tearing apart ahead of governors association, tearing apart a female hispanic who is winning new mexico for republicans by
record numbers, how does paul ryan get behind somebody like that. There is that tone that bothers ryan deeply. Dont forget, joe, they disagree on huge issues, trade, immigration, other things. Paul ryan in the end i have no doubt will endorse donald trump. He will do it with a minimum of enthusiasm and then focus on reelecting his members. You know, thats okay, he passes a little bit of a threshold test on that. I think a number of republicans will do that, which then will give some voters an opportunity in the fall to say, hey, they are not really for trump, so i dont have to be either. I think hes making a big mistake as you all have said in insulting people and not wooing people right now. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton blasting nancy pelosi now. Thats what donald trump is doing. If i was managing paul ryans brand, i think its a winwin for him to not endorse for two
reasons. If you really say to this guy, this guy wants to run in 2020, i think hes such an important factor if he does not support trump. No other republican sits where he sits, a gravitas. For him to make that statement, even if it causes hillary to win, if there ever was a oneterm president it would be a 74yearold Hillary Clinton. If im him, the leadership statement, what a leader would do say, you know what, i cant get behind let me get to bob costa who has been waiting here 12 minutes. Bob, youve obviously been reporting following the Trump Campaign for some time. We know after wisconsin Paul Manafort came on was going to try to right the ship, try to make trump a little more controllable. Trump pushed back against that. Whats the state of deliberations inside the campaign now and what is probably the most chaotic week
of the entire Trump Campaign . Theres an expectation here in washington that trump is going to become more of a republican, but trump has never considered himself to be a partisan figure, someone who has to check certain boxes or build relationships within the party. He still sees himself as someone outside of the party, nonideological and someone whose core strategy is to saturate airwaves. When you ask why is he going after mitt romney or Susana Martinez, its about staying at the fore of the conversation. They all have considerings to bring the party together. The man at the top, the candidate, hes still doing it his own way. According to your reporting and insight and the time you spent with the campaign, corey
lewandowski, Paul Manafort, his children, does anybody have a stronghold on donald trump enough to say youre wrong, dont say this, shouldnt say it . Does anybody have that kind of influence on him . In terms of those big picture conversations, i think its the people in the Business World hes close to who are not affiliated with the campaign, carl icahn, the investor, tom bear, these are the people he has candid phone conversations with. Manafort has some cache by trump, not getting paid, doing it pro bono. Theres a sense trump likes that about manafort, hes not just an employee. Chuck. By the way, ill be surprised if Paul Manafort doesnt make some money somehow off of this but i will set that aside. I want to go back to the ryan point a minute. I think ryan risks more now endorsing him than not endorsing him because he already owns the downside of not endorsing. Even if he does an endorsement now, if trump loses a close
race, there will be hand wringing if ryan had gotten on board earlier. Or all these republicans didnt get on board. He already has the downside that comes with if you risk not being for trump. So at this point you might as well own the best possibility of the upside. I think. I dont know. Big enough that if you dont endorse trump you become the titular head of the never trump conservative movement. The question is, if you do, that is that enough to have a Wide Coalition of big base in 2020. Depends on what you want. If you want to run for president maybe not. If you want to stay speaker of the house, perhaps. Maybe thats what theres an assumption people have that ryan want to run for president. I wouldnt be leaping to that conclusion. Its 15 past the hour. Gosh, theres huge headlines
about Hillary Clinton but they are superseded by other things, including donald trump calling mitt romney Something Like a penguin, politico reporting that trump is now requesting the Republican National committees on whitewater. There are all these things that have come out late yesterday that make us not get to the hillary story. Thats the 197 on 1970s real estate investment. Learned of trumps interest when intended to send an email to staffer and responded to politico reporter mark caputo instead. A lot of people didnt understand whitewater back in the 90s. They are not going to understand it now. They understand it even less. I have to say im oddly looking forward to see how trump trashs it. Is he going to hit them for doing an illegal real estate deal or what are you doing a bad real estate deal. He can go interesting
directions. I looked at the whitewater deal. I was going to build a golf course on it. I have to say im weirdly looking forward to it. Thats why were talking about it. Media madness, Hillary Clintons worst day in the last six months, worst day of the campaign. Was yesterday. Marketing and branding expert. All he had to do was be quiet yesterday or if anything focus all his vitriol on still a bad day for Hillary Clinton. Why take any light away. Weve talked about it a lot, talk about it next block with Andrea Mitchell, talk about Hillary Clinton and ig report. Shell be reporting about tough rebuke Inspector Generals Office gave Hillary Clinton and email server. Youre watching morning joe. We shall continue. Trolling for a gig with braindrone . Cant blame you. Its a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. No, im actually over at the ge booth. Were creating the Operating System for industry. Its called predix. Its gonna change the way the world works. Ok, im telling my brain to tell the drone to get you a copy of my resume. Umm, maybe keep your hands on the controller. Look out ohhhhhhhhhh. You know what, im just gonna email it to you. Yeah thats probably safer. Ok, cool. Twenty past the hour, Inspector Generals Office issued a report that concluded Hillary Clinton violated federal records act by not turning over
all official emails before she left office. The report found no evidence she requested or received approval for use her email account for official business. Clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. My personal email use was fully aboveboard. It was allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. What i did was allowed by the state department but wasnt the best choice. I have been as transparent as i know to be. You said it was allowed. Yes, it was. Who allowed it . It was allowed under the rules of the state department. Again nobody signed off on it. No, no. It was allowed. One of my predecessors did the same thing. Others in our government have done the same thing at very high levels because the rules did change after i left the state department. But at the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. Well, you know, as i have said many times, there was that was absolutely perm lly pe. I did it. It turned out to be a mistake. It wasnt the best choice. Two state Department Officials raised concerns about clintons exclusive use of a private email server. A senior official in clintons office told them the matter was not to be discussed any further. He instructed them to, quote, never speak of secretarys personal email system again. According to a new yahoo report a congressional staffer involved in one of the clinton email investigations identified clinton senior officials as a retired Department Official questioned by the house Benghazi Committee and said he had no memory or knowledge of the issues he was being asked about and declined a further request to be identified by Senate Judiciary committee. Clinton campaign released a statement about the ig report which read in part this. The Inspector Generals documents showed just how
consistent her email practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials at the state department who also used personal email. Even the statement is not accurate. I know. Joining us now National Correspondent for Bloomberg Business week and Political Columnist for boston globe joshua green. In san jose, california, nbc news chief Foreign Affairs correspondent and host of Andrea Mitchell reports. Andrea mitchell, thanks for getting up early for us. You bet. First interview showed was one you did with her and she says time and time and time again it was allowed. Was it allowed . It was not allowed to not return those records before she left the state department. She violated the official records act according to her own state department ig appointed by president obama. What you have shown just now, mika, is completely undercuts the argument shes been making for more than a year just as
shes trying to persuade voters shes untrustworthy. I think the most surprising and shocking thing is their reaction, claiming this is the same as what former secretaries did, comparison to colin powell. The facts are colin powell was the first secretary of state to ever use email. He used it specifically to try to launch the state department into the new century and get people to communicate by email. He was using it by example. He did use personal emails. He dental separate them, but it was a completely aboveboard everybody in the state department knew what he was doing. It was not, in fact, violating a rule put in place under clinton, not after she left. It was put in place under clinton and she was warned before hand of decades of this records act that prohibits you to leave the state department and leave any agency and not turn over your records. So there are so many flaws in their argument. The politics, well have to see how that plays out. I dont see how this is anything but devastating given the fact they have been making a completely different argument now for more than a year. Yeah. The Clinton Campaign, josh, has long maintained the server was never breached. The report tells of one incident when an adviser shut it down after concern of an attack. Tells of an incident in 2011 when secretary clinton was concerned someone was, quote, hacking into her email after getting more than one email with a suspicious link. You know, when you get those, you get worried. According to the report, Security Officials should be notified even when a personal device is feared compromised. According to the report Inspector General found no evidence that the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. Theres so much here thats fair to say how can she remember. This the whole problem, the reason you have protocols in government servers, so you dont expose emails. She said it was allowed, it
was allowed, it was allowed, it was allowed. Does she not remember any of this . Are we supposed to believe that . I suppose we are supposed to believe it. Im not sure a lot of people do. Do they care . Yeah, i think this was a serious issue. This is a big if. If you were to remove donald trump from the equation right now, this is the story that would be roiling the 2016 president ial election. Chuck. More than that, it would be fueling more hand wringing in the Democratic Party. The only reason theres not panic on the democratic side is because of trump. I was thinking about this this morning, because of this breach, she could i dont think she could be confirmed to be attorney general. You know whey mean, this is what i mean, their basic defense here im with andrea in how its sort of you pull muscles here trying to watch them spin this. Basically, there wasnt a specific law that told us we couldnt do it, so sounds like
al gore, theres no controlling legal authority. Andrea, here are the things that like over time we remember here. Her saying repeatedly it was allowed. A private server set up in her home by an i. T. Guy who was given immunity and his emails are missing. She even joked when she was asked, i think in a high school gym, did you wipe the server, meaning get rid of everything so no one could see it and she joked about it being with a cloth. I really dont want to be the one delivering this, but ive got to tell you, this is really hard to believe. It feels like shes lying straight out. Andrea mitchell, is she lying . I cant say that. I would let the viewer, the voter make those determinations, but it doesnt hold up. There are so many inconsistencies including their
response yesterday. As chuck said, it was jaw dropping they tried instead of coming out and saying, look, it was a mistake, as she has previously acknowledged, it was bad judgment, and we dont know whether or not it was hacked. We know there were attempts to penetrate. Theres no evidence in this report that that penetration that that actually happened. You cant prove a negative. They should have just come out arguably and said, this is a mess and were going to try to move on. Instead they are fighting it and coming out with a completely noncredible argument on her behalf. It also makes her defensive and makes her run from reporters and not want to do interviews and not want to talk to people covering her events all day yesterday. So shes hunkered down now at a key point here. Yeah, shes going to get the delegates but the point is she wanted to win california. She wanted to win on a high. Bernie sanders is giving her a
huge challenge out here. I can tell you from just looking at the campaign this week. The point andrea just raised about reporters. One of the more damming components of the Inspector Generals report is when he declares in the report that secretary clinton declined the opportunity in a request to be interviewed. When Madeleine Albright, colin powell, everybody else, john kerry, they were interviewed. What do you figure given the spin on this today, they didnt address the interview. What do they do now . Look, clearly their decision is to never give an inch, which is the clinton playbook going back to 1992. Its worked for them in the past. They just grind their way through it. Ive always looked at this, whats the most logical explanation . The most logical explanation she wanted to make it harder for the press and congress to see her correspondence, so they made
foia requests more difficult by doing what, making sure it was on a government server putting on a private server. Thats the part of this the idea of convenience ive never been able to accept that. Whats convenient about having a server in your house. I hate dealing with wifi at my house, okay . Its a pain. Why dont i have an i. T. Guy at home. Chuck, its not something you forgot you did. Its not someone did or your husband set up for you or you forgot you did, your secretary, come on, everybody. Like so many of these clinton scandals, its impossible to imagine. Andrea. One quick point. We now see new emails never turned over, revealed, that the ig found. Whats that about . One of them has her writing to houma abedin, shell go with another private device after one of the attempts after spamming and things were not
being received, this was early on but she said we want to make sure the personal is not accessible. Which is exactly to the point chuck was just making. Nbcs Andrea Mitchell, thank you. Chuck todd, thank you as well. Josh green, stay with us. Ill be getting to your new cover story bloomberg about Reince Priebus or what the magazine calls hardest job in america. I dont know, i think democratic dnc chair is hard, too. In case you miss a moment, catch up with morning joe on our podcast. You can subscribe on itunes. Morning joe is back in a moment. Real is touching a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. There is only one place where real and amazing live. Seaworld. Real. Amazing
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a single bomb which it dropped over the city of hiroshima at 8 15 in the morning on august 6th, 1945. It is an atomic bomb, the first from which the sun draws its power has been loosed against those who brought war to the far east. More than 80,000 people were killed, tens of thousands were horribly burned and poisoned with radiation. The president again warned japan surrender or face what he called a rain of ruin. There was no reapply, so another atomic bomb was dropped on japan. This time on nagasaki. More than 40,000 people died there. Many more were injured. Finally japan gave up. I deem this reapply a full acceptance of the declaration which specifies the Unconditional Surrender of japan. Reporter the war was over and harry s. Truman had not
hesitated in using atomic bombs to end it, a decision he stood by for the rest of his life. I made that decision in the conviction it would save hundreds of thousands of lives, japanese as well as americans. The dropping of the atom bomb was the only sensible thing to do. It was the only thing to do. Reporter truman lived to see other nations develop atomic weapons. He saw the birth of the hydrogen bomb, far more powerful than the bombs dropped on japan. He watched the world come to the brink of the war during cuban missile crisis them stepped back with treaties to end Nuclear Weapons signed under president s kennedy, johnson, nixon. What did not happen again in trumans lifetime or all the years since is another use of atomic weapons by anyone. The city of hiroshima devastated years ago is thriving today, so
is nagasaki. The planes that bombed those cities are now museum pieces. While the cold war may be history, its been replaced by fears of nuclear rogue states and terrorism. In the new mexico desert, a simple monument marks the spot where the atomic age began and harry truman, he lived to the age of 88 and went to his grave certain he had done the right thing. That bomb caused the japanese to surrender and stopped the the war. I dont care what the cry babies say now because they didnt have to make the decision. Mike barnicle, you knew the gentleman who actually flew on both missions, hiroshima and nagasaki. The only american to fly both missions. He flew back up, used the pilot boxcar, flew back up to drop the initial bomb on hiroshima and a few days later charlie sweeney
flew boxcar over nagasaki and dropped the second of only two bombs they had on nagasaki. Any regrets . General sweeney had no regrets until the day he died. He felt he did the right thing as outlined in the piece, the indication that the United States would suffer enormous casualties and the japanese would suffer even more casualties. Lets bring right now from washington president ial historian author and nbc news contributor. Michael, as i and you and others have been reading the history through the years of what unfolded in 44 and 45 in the later stages of the pacific and atlantic campaigns, it seems to me that there are moral justifications for hiroshima and nagasaki as far as the saving of lives perhaps even more so than the firebombing of dresden, against a country in the final throes of fighting against the
allies. You know, i think thats a perfect argument. You know, in the same way there was a huge, as you know, firebombing of tokyo in the spring of 1945. Hundreds of thousands of casualties. Even that didnt bring japan to its knees. Youre truman and presented with a weapon that has a chance to end the war quickly and avoid the huge American Invasion that could cause upwards 250,000 americans dead, 250,000 japanese dead, very few president s would not have done that. Has there been have there been any revisionists of any stature that have argued in the intervening 70 what, 75 years or so that truman could have gone another route . Oh, sure. This argument that a Million People would die in an invasion of japan. I know they have made the argument. But are there any arguments that
stand up . None that persuade me, and i would guess none that would persuade you of the main argument they make is if truman had done the invasion, maybe there would have been fewer casualties and maybe japanese would have surrendered in a year or two. The other argument made was that trumans interior motive was not so much to end the war, although he was serious about that, but his ulterior motive was to intimidate soviets. He was so hell bent on fire off the weapons, basically to dominate the world after the war was over, that that was the reason. That doesnt do much for me. Mike, you look at campaigns across the pachkros cross the p was, japanese were the fiercest of fighters. Any suggestion they would have just rolled over when we went to their homeland seems absolutely
ludicrous. Island hopping, michael can attest to this with what hes done in his life as historian. Iwojima, enormous casualties on both sides. Toward the end of the war we still had kamikaze pilots attacking ships. The prospect, idea harry truman confronted with this decision, two bombs on two planes, they really dont know where either bomb, either nuclear bomb will work when they drop it. Absolutely true. Mike says it so well. The biggest proof maybe is that after this bomb was dropped on hiroshima, this horrible weapon, 70,000 plus japanese killed, even then the emperor did not surrender. Thats the reason why truman had to do nagasaki. All right, michael, thank you
so much for being with us. We always love having you here. Twitter feed, the best. Thank you. The pictures, incredible stuff he puts out. Remember the 40th anniversary of nixons resignation, he actually had outtakes of nixon. Wasnt that something . That was one of the most whether you loved or hated nixon on a personal level, one of the most heartbreaking clips. Michael, do you have all this stuff at home in your desk drawer and p whip it out several times a year. Ive been doing these books for a long time and ive come across all this stuff. You can put maybe 12 pictures in a history book. Finally i get to use all this stuff i love. Thats fantastic. Thank you, michael, we greatly appreciate it. Thank you, joe. Be well. Just a note were going to be covering president obamas historic visit to hiroshima tomorrow morning. Still ahead this morning is there any place more fun to be than a trump rally . Right . Even one at like 12 30 in the afternoon. I mean, theres just nothing like it. There is nothing like it. That was donald trump at a Campaign Rally in california yesterday. But its the rust belt that could be the key to whether donald trump is your next president in january. So how he is he doing so far . Were going to have your numbers ahead on morning joe. sfx golf swing and breaking glass sfx broken glass falling heres to breaking more glass ceilings in golf and everywhere else. The kpmg womens pga championship. [alarm beeps]
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direction. What does the chairman of the Republican Party think about the fact he has a candidate running for president of the United States that he has absolutely no control over . I think if you dosed him with truth serum hed tell you hes terrified. But his job as Party Chairman is to stick with it and he has to get his nominee elected. Is their personal relationship such that he could call or would call donald trump today after the priebus told me they talk every day by phone. And the relationship is okay . They both claim it to be. Trump even told me the nickname for mr. Priebus. Mr. Switzerland. Hes bringing the party together. So does priebus see trump as a threat to the Senate Majority . No, priebus is on message about these things and he thinks trump is bringing in a lot of
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contradicts Hillary Clintons repeated claim that her personal email server was okay and what about her campaigns claim it was never breached. Well have reporting on that. And by the way, trump we had donald trump quoted when you showed the clip at the rally saying he clearly has never been to prohibition on columbus avenue to hear your band on a thursday night. Its huge. Its huge. They have to stop traffic. They have to reroute traffic. It is. Well be there at 8 30 tonight. If youre in the area, come around. When we come back, well be talking about donald trump and his interesting reaction to Hillary Clinton and penguins when we return. With usaa is awesome. Homeowners insurance Life Insurance automobile insurance
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direction. The report concluded she violated the federal records act by not turning over all official emails before she left office. The report also found there was no evident she had requested or received approval to use her personal account for official business. Clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. My personal email use was fully above board. It was allowed by the state department, as they have confirmed. What i did was allowed by the state department, but it wasnt the best choice. And i have been as transparent as i know to be. Youve said it was allowed . Yes, it was. Who allowed it . It was allowed under the rules of the state department, and again so nobody signed off on it . No it was allowed. One of my predecessors did the same thing. Others in our government have done the same thing at very high levels because the rules did change after i left the state department, but at the time and in prior years, the rules
allowed it. Well, you know, as i have said many times, there was that was absolutely permitted, and i did it, and it turned out to be a mistake. It wasnt the best choice. Jim, first of all, i mean, we said all along around this table the state department didnt allow this because people inside the state department at the highest reaches of the state department saying she never asked anybody. This was never allowed. They kept saying it day in and day out. The New York Times talks about, in this article, a candidates negative controversy and the voters fading trust. Here we have donald trump who obviously on a lot of key issues changes with the wind. And is accused of not honest and trustworthy. His numbers are horrific, just as bad as Hillary Clinton, and yet this is another nail in that coffin of voters trust. No doubt. Even watching those clips, i
dont think people think shes telling the truth. She looks like shes trying to convince herself. It is devastating and she says it was authorized. It was okay. Its not a big deal. The report says, no, no, no, youre wrong, youre youwrong. This is her state department. She ran the state department. Its the ig in her department that is making this determination. So i do think you have two candidates who, what, 60 of people think are dishonest and if you look at this weak of a campaign, it shows you everything you need to know about the next three months. Its going to be gross. A battle of negativity. The Clinton Campaign has long maintained the server was never breached but the report tells of one incident when an adviser shut it down over concern it was under attack n the footnotes tell of an incident where Hillary Clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her enail after getting more than one email with a suspicious link. According to the report, Security Officials should be
notified even when a personal device is feared compromise. But according to the report, they found no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. And that, donny, this goes to National Security, obviously. The biggest concern is National Security. A lot of people act like theres much ado about nothing here. Theres a lot of classified documents, a lot of classified materials going through the server. And the great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. Not a knife to the heart but a very deep flesh wound. For hillary, this is right on brand. In the advertising business we have a brand positioning statement, brand support points. If her brand is untrustworthiness, this is one more peel in there. The interesting thing to think about is how would donald trump this election is going to be, you called it groes. Ill call it counterpunching. How would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. Hed be saying, emails. Me, colin powell, this is what we did. Look at Hillary Clinton, she killed vince foster. Thats what would be happening there. Hillary has no way of counterpunching. The difference is whereas trump, no matter what you throw at him, hes got the counterpunch. No matter what you throw at hillary, she never has a way of swatting it back. Its not devastate, but in this election if the game is to make trump seem more president ial n less temperamentally unstable, you can start to move that needle. I dont know how you move the untrustworthy needle. Heres the problem, mike barnacle. Trump lies about trump steak success. He lies about the success of some of his business ventures. He flip flops on issues, where he was a reality show host when he took those positions. And it seems like its, you know, down here. With Hillary Clinton, you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified emails, classified information and 22 emails at the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on Americas National security. Thats when were talking about honest and trustworthy, i dont know that she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. Weve just been talking about the top of this story. The headlines of this story. The lead of this story. Within the report, theres other devastating issues. The fact that she declined repeatedly the Inspector Generals request for an interview when every other former secretary, Madeleine Albright, colin powell, john
kerry, all were it goes to that secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. In june 2011, the secretary of state sent out a cable to all koups lor n diplomatic posts urging them to stop using home email for anything having to do with state department business. And yet she did not follow that edict. A cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. When she says it was allowed she never asked for permission. The Inspector General stated she never asked for permission to use a personal email. And he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. Trump is salivating at, he doesnt only have lying hillary. Hes got incompetent hillary, dangerous hillary. Shes dangerous. She cant be the president. Hes kngot entitled hillary. Hes got ten new words for
her. By the time this is done it will seem she sent directly to puttin emails she wasnt supposed to, and thats what theyll do. What this could really mean, i dont know how the public reacts whether they just say, oh, well and turn the page. But it adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons. And thats a huge burden for her to carry. You know, a lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and in papers and on tv have been saying this isnt going to have a big impact. Al hunt, this isnt going to have a big impact on hillarys numbers. Who cares about the emails . What weve always believed, and i think what weve seen is that you go to the subset question of honest and trustworthy. That 4 hit has had a devastatin impact. Hillary clinton was a woman with an approval around 65 , 66 when
she left the state department. Her numbers have plummeted. And in large part, ive got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. And again, its not from breitbart, its not from drudge. This started with the New York Times, and here we have Hillary Clintons own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these emails. And, joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for taking her from a 60 approval down to a 30 approval. I think it is it really is serious, and it raises another question. What kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have . Why didnt someone say, im sorry, madam secretary, you cannot do this. She should not have done it, but she should have had people around her who instead of saying that, were enablers. That raises questions about who she surrounds herself with. I think it really hurts. I agree with everything thats been said. She broke the rules. Thats really bad. The really big issue here is did
she break the law . And that will be determined in the next couple of weeks. If that should happen, which i suspect it that they will rule she didnt, joe, but i dont know. If that should happen, it would be lethal. Lets go through some of the details a little troubling and definitely conflict with what shes said before. The Clinton Campaign released a statement. The Inspector General documents just how consistent her email practices were with those other secretaries and senior officials at the state department and also used personal email. Even thats not accurate. Nobody reading it thinks its accurate . They keep digging a hole. Remember where the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s were, government oversight committee, theyd bring people in like Bernie Nusbaum who would lie to us. In a lot of these hearings, the people in the podium would be
laughing because they knew they would be lying. Bernie nusbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. Everybody in the crowd would be laughing because they knew they were lying. Theyd tell fantastical tales that everybody knew was not true. I said i couldnt believe i was watching. But it happened week in and week out. I dont understand why you put out a Statement Like that. Stop digging. Stop digging. I screwed up. Im terribly sorry. I hope the American People will forgive me and i hope they will let us move on to the issues that matter. Stop lying. Stop digging. So just for this, then well get into the details. A spokesman for Bernie Sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. And donald trump, well, he relished the story on the campaign trail. She had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down that werent so good. But not so good. The Inspector Generals report. Not good. But i want to run against hillary. It could be were going to run against crazy bernie. Could be. Crazy bernie. Hes a crazy man, but thats okay. We like crazy people. And i hear they want to put biden in. I hear theyre going to slip joe biden in, and hes going to take bernies place. Mika, a typically churchillian response to the Inspector Generals report. What weve come to expect of mr. Trump. I think he was tame there, to tell you the truth. You have to watch the rest of it. Crazy bernie. He likes crazy guys. Crazy guys are okay. Im just saying. Joining us from capitol hill, politicos rachel bay who has been reporting on the developments surrounding Hillary Clintons email server. Rachel in your article, you highlight this particular exchange. It dates back to november of
2010 when some of secretary clintons emails to Department Employees were not being received. Now according to the Inspector General, the clinton was urged to use state email or to release or email address to the department. Clinton responded write, quote, lets get separate address or device, because i dont want any risk of the personal being accessible. What do you think is the significance of that exchange . Theres two things that are significant about that exchange. The first one being this is an email that we havent seen before. Where has it been this whole time . Does the state department have it and they just didnt release it or did clinton not turn it over . It was an exchange between her top adviser, one of her closest advisers, huma abedin and her. It speaks to contradicting information the campaign has given saying she used this personal email server for convenience. Here her response basically is
shes worried about privacy issues. She doesnt mention anything about convenience. Theres another item in the story that i highlight that i think really speaks again to contradicting information. Clinton has said all along that theres been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got a hold of now classified information. It turns out that one of bill clintons closest staffers who set up the server n set up her ema email, emailed huma abedin anded so, listen, were getting hacked. I need to shut down the server. It happen twice in one day. And abedin reached out to her chief of staff cheryl mills, jake sullivan, one of her top policy advisers and said, listen, because were getting hacked, dont send any, quote, Sensitive Information to the secretary. Politicos rachel bay, thank you. Still ahead, senator Claire Mccaskill joins us. Plus is there fools gold in
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2016 race, the second in a series of polls from Bloomberg Politics and purple slice looking at great soft drink. I love purple slice. It will play a major role in determining the election. In polls, the states of michigan, ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin, Hillary Clinton leads with 46 over donald trump at 39 . And like the rest of the country, both trump and clinton are deeply unpopular with Trump Holding a negative rating 30 poi points. 35 say they are not open to a third party candidate. Rust belt earners on questions they like clinton on questions of Foreign Policy and fighting for the middle class. She has a nearly 2 to 1 average over trump on temperament. 49 to 22 . And more find her ready to lead on day one, 46 to 32 for trump. But these americans believe trump will be better for making change in washington. 46 say he knows how to create jobs. 31 say clinton. And he has an 11point lead on who will best combat terrorism. And he is ahead on who will rein in wall street. In all, asked how they feel about the 2016 campaign, 31 of rust belt middle income voters say they are afraid, far ahead of disillusioned at 19 , pessimistic at 17 with only 16 saying optimistic. Let me get al hunt, bloomberg commissioned this poll along with purple slice. Its not just for breakfast anymore. Tell us about the rust belt. Thats where donald trump is supposed to be strongest right now. It looks like hillary still has a significant lead. These are voters trump needs to win the election. They are working class, rust belt voters. Pennsylvania, michigan, ohio and jims state of wisconsin. If hes going to win, n the notion, the conjoental wisdom had been that trump is going to do better among these voters than most republicans do and better than mitt romney did. In this poll, hes not. And i think a lot of it has to do with his negatives rather than feeling good about her. Mika showed some of his negatives. Let me give you one more which may be telling. We asked, who would be a better role model for your children, and who would you want in your home. Shes not popular, but she clobbers him on those issues. People dont think he would be a role model for their children. They dont think they want him in their home. And thats particularly true of women. And i think it goes to what you said earlier about his tone. The pollster that did this, doug
usher, said a lot of dislike of donald trump among these voters has to do with his tone and temperament. If he cant change that, hes going to have a hard time turning these voters around. Coming up, whats the future of one of the Top Democrats in the country. With highprofile Democratic Senators declining to defend bebie wasserman schultz, is a top clinton ally in jeopardy . Well ask senator Claire Mccaskill next. My bladder leakage made me feel like i couldnt be the father that i wanted to be. Now i use depend. I can move the way i really want. Unlike the bargain brand, new depend fitflex underwear is now more flexible to move with you. Reconnect with the life youve been missing. Get a free sample at depend. Com. When donald trump talks about the economy, he is talking about trickle down on steroids. He has put forth an economic plan that is by a billionaire for billionaires. And it is going to hurt a lot of people. He doesnt seem to actually care about making America Great so much as he seems to care about making himself look great. I want you to know that donald trump actually rooted for the housing crash that cost 5 million families their homes. We called him out on it yesterday using his own words. And you know what he said in response . Well, he bragged about what he
did. He said and im quoting now, thats the kind of thinking our country needs. He said profiting off working people losing their homes would be a, quote, good result. So a good result in Donald Trumps world is he gets his and you get hurt. That was Hillary Clinton focusing on donald trump on the trail yesterday mocking his tax plan, his comments on the mortgage crisis and much, much more. Former president bill clinton was also on the trail as well campaigning hard for his wife in new mexico. And taking the fight to republicans in Congress Just like the old days. I feel sorry for the republicans in congress. Really. No, no, no. How would you like to get up every day and go into the bathroom, throw water on your face, look in the mirror and go,
oh, goody, i can go waste another day of my disappearing life making sure nothing good happens for anybody. Because i have to prove that government is a failure always. Thats crazy. Theres not a successful country on earth that doesnt have a strong thriving economy and a Good Government working together to help people live together, be productive together and go together. While bill clinton was crying crocodile tears for republicans in congress in his unique view of how things work there, democrats on the hill are under pressure also regarding the future of Debbie Wasserman schultz. Politico reports senator Chuck Schumer refused to comment on whether she should stay in charge of the dncn senator patty murray said thats not up to me. Lets talk to Claire Mccaskill who is supporting Hillary Clinton for president. And we still have josh green at the table and mike barnacle. So much to talk about, claire. Why dont we start where we finished on that read with d Debbie Wasserman schultz. Many think it would be best for her to step down before the convention to make peace with bernie. Nobody is calling on Debbie Wasserman schultz to step down. But debbie has to make a decision Going Forward. We have to focus on how we unite and defeat donald trump. And fair or unfair, she is to many of the bernie supporters somebody that really gets them riled up. Now we can argue about why that is or if its fair that thats the case, but this ultimately will be up to debbie. I dont think anybody is trying to move debbie out. But i think we all need to figure out how to get along. We need to land this plane. Doesnt it make sense to have another pilot land the plane when Bernie Sanders is so personally angered by the way shes run the dnc. Whether its fair or not fair, for the purposes of democratic
un unity, wouldnt it be better to have a place holder put in there . Im going to leave that to people at much higher level than i am. I think thats going to be a lot of talk back and forth between bernie and his campaign and Hillary Clinton and her campaign. And i think all of this will get worked out. Im confident it will all get worked out. We cant have a reality tv star that has no concept of Public Policy step foot in the oval office. He cannot have the nuclear codes. A lead story for the times and im sure newspapers all over missouri had to do with. The state department Inspector General finding fault with Hillary Clinton on emails. And there is a story on 8 14 talking about a candidates nagging controversy and the voters fading trust. She and donald trump have extraordinarily low numbers when it comes to being honest and trustworthy. Does this make Hillary Clintons
case more difficult moving forward . Well, listen, i think the American People are going to have to decide, is a candidates mistake trying to protect her privacy more of a problem than a president who goes on National Radio shows and for hours gives us a playbyplay of his sex life with his now wife and objectifies having sex with black women and talks in the most vulgar terms about women and frankly on the campaign is vulgar. Is somebody who made a mistake protecting their privacy more of a problem than somebody who commits fraud to make money. Are you concerned about what Hillary Clinton did . Are you concerned by the findings in the ig report . I, obviously, its not great, but there is some context here. You know, colin powell was the former National Security adviser. He was the former joint chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. He used personal email while he was at the state department. Clearly he did not believe it was a security risk. The rules changed, though, senator, and you know that. The issue is a security if the security is an issue, and the other thing to remember is this report, the ig this ig report wasnt about classified material. It was about record keeping. And colin powell never turned in his emails and Hillary Clinton turned in all of hers. So i do think there is some context here. Shes admitted this was a mistake. I think we need to realize she wasnt trying to undermine the United States of america. She was trying to protect her privacy. Senator, i dont want to get into the weeds but she did not release all of her emails. In any event, moving on to another aspect of the report, when she was secretary of state, she declined, refused the opportunity and request of the Inspector General to be interviewed about this when colin powell, condoleezza rice, Madeleine Albright and john kerry all exceeded to the
interview and were interviewed. So if you were involved in her campaign, you are to a certain extent, the statement that the campaign released was really a rehash of her past statements and didnt address some of the damaging specifics in the report. What would you advise her to do today about that one question, why did you refuse to be interviewed . What would you advise her to say . I probably, if i were advising her, i would say, i have sat down for 11 hours in front of my most ardent enemies to answer every question theyve asked me about anything and im looking forward to sitting down with the fbi, which, frankly, if theres something youd want to avoid, it would probably be talking to the fbi, not the Inspector General which is just looking into record keeping. So the fact that she keeps saying, i will sit down with the fbi, it shows this isnt somebody trying to hide something. She has not been able to put this scandal behind her. Shes tried out various lines, joking about it, testifying before the committee, putting out statements. Now shes refusing to answer reporters questions. What can she do to definitively put this behind her once and for all . And if she doesnt, do you think this threatens democrats chances of maintaining the white house. I dont know that you ever put anything behind you one and for all in a political campaign. Shes going to have to deal with this. I think she has dealt with it by saying i made a mistake. I regret it. I shouldnt have done it. I think shes said that over and over. If you review her testimony for 11 hours in front of that committee, this was not someone who gave the impression they were trying to hide anything. Do you think she needs to do more . Shes not managed to put this behind her. Here we still are talking about it . If i were advising her, i would probably tell her to spend a lot more time talking about this bafoon on the national
stage and world stage, making up stuff as he goes along, insulting people as a form of Public Policy. This is somebody who has never presented to the American People how hes going to do anything. So, claire, thats the question, is Hillary Clinton also making stuff up as she goes along if you look at the ig report, her claims this was approved by the state department when the state department clearly says, and this is in the lead of the New York Times, it says that she never sought permission, nor would she have been given permission had she sought permission. She said that repeatedly. She said that her email use was consistent with all the rules of the state department and the federal government. That ended up not being true as well. It goes back to the question of honest and trustworthiness. Shes going up against a guy who has extremely low honest and trustworthy numbers, but doesnt this make her case harder pointing at donald trump when
she has some of the issues if you read the New York Times and believe what theyre saying. I understand the point youre making. I think what i would say, it was not a secret. She was sending these emails all over the state department. People were receiving emails from her i dont think a lot of people in the state department knew about it. In fact, one gentleman, her top security guy brought it up to two staffers. Twice he was told to never bring it up again. So there was if you are arguing transparency here, it doesnt appear from this report that there was much transparency. I will tell you, i read the report. I looked at it. I certainly do not think the fact she had this email address was a secret at the state department. It was not something she was trying to hide. She was trying, probably misguided, yeah, because shes been under attack her entire life. She wanted to have some free space of privacy. Mistake for somebody who is
secretary of state, but she has acknowledged the mistake over and over again. Senator, what is more tiger for you, talking about secretary clintons email or talking about, you know, once again, the cubs beating the cardinals at home . I knew you were going to go there, barnacle. Can we get back to the emails . Terrible. My god. There are the chicago cubs, 3114. Who saw that coming . No, theyre hot. Why . Whats with the cubs this year. They going to take it all the way through . They have a tendency to falter and choke at a crucial moment in that lifetime of their franchise. We are still strong. We lost 98 last night. Came this close at the end of the game to catching them. They didnt sweep. Thats good. The i think that theres still a lot more baseball to be played. And ill be back at the end of the season and see how those
boston red sox are doing, barnacle. Okay. Theres a reason they play 162 games. There is. There is. Senator Claire Mccaskill, we appreciate you being with us. Still ahead, oil. Its up to the 50 a barrel mark. Thats for the first time this year. Whats that impact going to have on the markets . Well talk about that when we return. National. Theyre allbeef like yours but theyre also kosher. Is that a big deal . I think so. Because not just any beef goes into it. Only certain cuts of kosher beef. I guess theyre pretty choosy. Oh, honey here, have some of ours. Oh when your hot dogs kosher, thats a hot dog you can trust. Hebrew national
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hes been one of those men, peter thiel who has done a lot for journalism, supported journalists in the past. He doesnt feel this particular move to finance a move against gawker goes against that. Its just an Interesting Development here in a battle that has so many highprofile people in Silicon Valley talking about the relationship between media and, of course, the technology world, guys. Wboy, all right. Thats fascinating. Greatly appreciate it. Those oil prices, the cheers you heard were going up somewhere over north dakota. Waiting for oil prices to come back. And on lower wall street. Wall street. From north dakota to wall street. Coming up next on morning joe, nobody lies like some of the people ive seen, especially lyin ted. Lyin ted cruz. Breathe, breathe, breathe. Its lyin apostrophe. The bible held high. Puts it high and then he lies. How can you tell if a politician is lying. Its not as easy as if theyre moving their lips. An interview with a renowned psychologist next. Nexium 24 hour introduces new, easytoswallow tablets. So now, there are more ways, for more people. To experience. Complete protection from frequent heartburn. Nexium 24hr. The easytoswallow tablet is here. Mountains, and racetracks. Ve conquered highways, and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the new audi a4. With one notable difference. The allnew audi a4, with available traffic jam assist. Welcome back. Plenty of posturing in politics. And the right position can say a lot about a leader. Our next guest says striking a power pose like this one from
the oval office can actually boost someones brain to make them more assertive and confident. Is that the pose . Well, thats feet up on the desk . This one here. This one here. You all are in pretty powerful postures. The feet up on the defrk sk is powerful posture, but id not recommend doing it in front of other people. Professor at the Harvard Business school, author of the best selling book presence bringing your boldest self to your biggest challenges. Her ted talk has been viewed more than 33 million times. If you havent seen it, youve got to watch it. And shes a familiar face to the know your Value Movement which will be up and running soon again. We want you back. Msnbcs kasie hunt and anand r garadardis. Thats what i find so
interesting about your message. You arent teaching people tips and little ways to wing it. You are giving them something that comes from inside. So what they bring out is actually more powerful. Explain it. Its not just a hat full of tricks. Nonverbal tricks. It doesnt work well that way. When were being choreographed, were not being authentic. When we adopt expansive postures which is what animals do when they are powerful and people do when they are proud, it makes us feel powerful and confident and proud. And that totally changes our behavior and our interactions and just the way we carry ourselves in lives. So powerful poses. Some of them are kind of impolite in just looking at them. Yes. Ive seen joe in every single one of those. Exception. Would not do that. Who did i see doing that . Oh, it was barnacle. Barnacle. Stop that. Theres barnacle right there. But the Science Behind a power pose that it sets off and just to be clear, i really dont recommend man spreading in any situation. No man spreading. Especially on the subway. And they are really bold poses and thats why you do them in the privacy of your own home or bathroom stall before you go into a Job Interview. Why do you do that before you go into a Job Interview . Because it calms you down and makes you feel confident. You are tricking your brain into feeling victorious. Theres several things happening. One thing that we found is that when you adopt a powerful posture just for a couple of minutes, in some cases it leads to an increase in testosterone and debrees in cortisol. It decreases the hormones that are associated with stress and anxiety and fear. So that doesnt happen all the time, but thats one of the things thats happening. So interesting, kasie hunt. So you also seem to study body language of politicians. So if im in an interview, how do i tell if someone is lying to me . I love this question. So one of my favorite areas of Body Language Research is what are we looking for when we want to know if somebody is deceiving us . What most people think is the best cue is eye contact. Its not. The science does not support that at all. The best way to know if somebody is lying is to look for a synchronize. If you are telling a happy story, your body should not look scared. When we see those, we think of them as leaks. We know theyre telling one story and suppressing another and not able to manage all the
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