Bernard Zafor News Today

360 million people outweighs the numbers of perpetrators or gunmen that we have in the united states. gillian: can you hang on for a second? we have another person on the phone that were going to bring in right now. well come back to you in a few minutes. lets bring in bernard zafor, a former special agent in charge of the atf. thank you for joining us, unfortunately under these circumstances. we know that atf is en route to the scene. what are they going to do when they get there? >> it is unfo...

Given their life for this purpose they know theyre going to die and then you have the response and a second shooter comes in. law enforcement is thinking in terms of that aspect. until they feel confident theres not a threat, theyre not going to call this thing secure. gillian: bernard, thank you for joining us, former special agent in charge of atf. we appreciate your time, unfortunately under these circumstances. but thank you very much. right now, we want to hear -- we have a sound clip from ...