so it is harder for him to run away from it. the other thing i would say, even smaller indictments couldn t undermine the trump organization financing, it is rumored the trump organization is leveraged with billions of dollars in debt. many times loan agreements say the loan can be called if the organization is indicted. that could put another squeeze on donald trump apart and beyond the law itself. that s a possibility and it would depend on individual banks if hands aren t forced. joan, final question to you big picture is more metaphysical. are you ready for that one? whoa, yeah. how as society do you think everyone should deal with the understandable fatigue for all this stuff and what is sometimes called looking backwards by nonlawyers, lawyers say every case is about the past, you don t prosecute future crime, but that s a cultural mood after
quickly. i m not advocating they go beyond the law but they need to follow what the texas democrats did in the legislature who walked out and now whose budget has been defunded by the governor but they thought it was an important moment to do that and to make that stand and i don t think and believe me, don, the democratic party is the only vehicle today to protect our republic. it the only vehicle today and i think republicans need to suffer devastating losses because that s the only way they re going to learn. but democrats have to really stand up and speak clearly and be strong about this and not go back into the sort of i m on x subcommittee and i have a meeting today. they need to understand the house is on fire and they got to put the house, the fire break the glass. do anything else. break the glass. break the glass. listen, i ve been sayining bipartisanship is performative. it doesn t accomplish anything.
how do you read it? thanks for having me. it is very significant legally if there is going to be more than one witness and this one allegedly has firsthand knowledge. the other part that goes beyond the law goes to i think the reporting that you are doing this morning and what you just mentioned and what we saw on the sunday shows which is if part of the defense here is that all of these appeals for foreign help are not literal, not serious, the fact that there are people with abledly firsthand knowledge inside the government that are potentially prepared to testify to the opposite, that these were serious requests, that there was a plot, a strategy, that there was money and military involved in executing the strategy, that really undercuts the new public defense and may fortify the argument for impeachment in the house. and you heard hans say it is just a matter of asking the president directly if he was making a joke as others have claimed like jim jordan when he asks for china t
it? is that the best response, or somehow being more receptive? strategically, the problem is a lot of democrats respond to these things with emotion and not strategy. and the emotion is to say, well, why aren t you doing more? why aren t you doing a bigger deal? why aren t you setting yourself on fire? the strategic response is to open a pathway and to say, this is the honorable thing to do. we hope other people follow him, and we hope other people recognize as senator romney did that donald trump is a man who has gone well beyond the law and the bounds of propriety and all the norms that have made america what it is and kept us safe. we believe that this is a smart you know, da, da, da, s but emotion always tends to triumph over strategy. thank you for being with me tonight. appreciate it. up next, more breaking news. a new update on the health of democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders and his heart condition. we re reporters from the new york times.
rick wilson. but how do the democrats handle a statement like that which came from mitt romney today? from some of them, really, that s it? you re just appalled, senator romney? what are you going to do about it? is that the best response, or somehow being more receptive? strategically the problem is a lot of democrats respond to these things with emotion and not strategy. the emotion is why aren t you doing more, why aren t you setting yourself on fire? the strategic response is to open a pathway and to say this is the honorable thing to do. hope others follow him and recognize that donald trump is a man who has gone well beyond the law and the bounds of propriety. we believe this is a smart da