it? is that the best response, or somehow being more receptive? >> strategically, the problem is a lot of democrats respond to these things with emotion and not strategy. and the emotion is to say, well, why aren't you doing more? why aren't you doing a bigger deal? why aren't you setting yourself on fire? the strategic response is to open a pathway and to say, this is the honorable thing to do. we hope other people follow him, and we hope other people recognize as senator romney did that donald trump is a man who has gone well beyond the law and the bounds of propriety and all the norms that have made america what it is and kept us safe. we believe that this is a smart -- you know, da, da, da, s but emotion always tends to triumph over strategy. >> thank you for being with me tonight. appreciate it. up next, more breaking news. a new update on the health of democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders and his heart condition. we're reporters from the new york times.