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country. >> the surprising part to me was how granular of a level donald trump was personally engaged in trying to overturn the election in georgia. certainly, we started hearing about phone call he was making. of course, we all heard the unfortunate 60-plus minute call with brad raffensperger. >> in my opinion, you had out of state voters. they voted in georgia but they were from out of state it was a complete disaster and an embarrass many to anyone who cares about democracy. >> reporter: after repeating a litany of false allegations, trump said he was notifying secretary of state raffensperger in his view, the secretary was breaking the law. by ignoring his false conspiracy theories. >> you're not reporting it. that's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. you can't let that happen. that is big a risk to you.
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this is different because of that reason. second, it's the only time he's been indicted for conduct as president. so those other cases while perhaps important are actually not about what he did at all. they're about classified documents and trying to use powers he no longer had allegedly. third and i think it's the premise of your entire opening tonight, this is the big one and everybody knows it. there's a world where he's convicted in new york, alex, and he's not sent to jail or prison. and so he tells his supporters it wasn't that big a deal, it's kind of like a slap on the risk, and his life goes on in a way. i'm not minimizing this, but functionally this is different. he could stand trial before the election, if convicted that appeal could go to d.c. circuit, which is a very serious court.
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and iris is getting to an age where she wants to walk around. but you can't, you know, say, "iris, this way!" she can't hear you. despite the challenges they face every day, yasmine and sam are unwavering in their commitment to giving obi and iris as many communication skills as they can to equip them for the hearing world. katie martin, bbc news. we're nowjoined by dr robert adam, chair of the british deaf association. robert is deaf and will be communicating with us in british sign language through our interpreter russ. good morning to you, robert, thank you for coming in.— you for coming in. good morning, thank ou you for coming in. good morning, thank you for— you for coming in. good morning, thank you for having _ you for coming in. good morning, thank you for having me. - you for coming in. good morning, thank you for having me. we - you for coming in. good morning, thank you for having me. we saw| you for coming in. good morning, - thank you for having me. we saw one famil 's thank you for having me. we saw one family's story — thank you for having me. we saw one family's story from _ thank you for having me. we saw one family's story from dorsett, - thank you for having me. we saw one family's story from dorsett, how- thank you for having me. we saw one family's story from dorsett, how big l family's story from dorsett, how big a problem as it nationally? yes. family's story from dorsett, how big a problem as it nationally?— a problem as it nationally? yes, the british deaf — a problem as it nationally? yes, the british deaf association _ a problem as it nationally? yes, the british deaf association is _ a problem as it nationally? yes, the british deaf association is really - british deaf association is really concerned about deaf children and
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way this government is trying to have its cake and eat it as it really does undermine confidence in investors in what the government is actually going to do. that is the thing that has been very difficult for the last two weeks, we have had this endless toing and froing, will we, won't we, stick to our targets and all of this is going to fish up the price of what we eventually do you have to do to get to net zero and ensure energy security and keep our energy supplies affordable. who; our energy supplies affordable. why does 100 new _ our energy supplies affordable. why does 100 new licences to extract oil and gas from the north sea? well. and gas from the north sea? well, all ou and gas from the north sea? well, all you have _ and gas from the north sea? well, all you have had _ and gas from the north sea? well, all you have had is _ and gas from the north sea? well, all you have had is the _ and gas from the north sea? -m all you have had is the announcement they will at some future date grants if anybody applies to them and if anybody is going to invest in them. why would investors be confident that something in the future will happen when you have a government flip flopping around like this? i don't really think it is quite as big a threat to the climate as some
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in this case the crime is very serious. but the cover-up is itself a separate crime and i think adds to the import of the underlying crime because it sugs the consciousness of guilt. if donald trump believes as he had said he had ever right to continue to retain these documents, then there's no reason to obstruct the investigation, and in this ways t effort to erase or delete a server really is as about a big a cover-up as you can get. so i think this really add as lot of additional evidence to that part of the case that i think makes it much stronger for the government and, therefore, that much more of a threat to donald trump. >> i don't want to get too much into the sort of hypothetical, but i think i can guess where this goes, right? trump's legal team says you don't really have anything other than circumstantial evidence, right? the boss told me to do this. it was not an actual directive trump issued. it's an interpretation by another stapher.
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but tavares went a different way. how big a problem is this for trump? is this a possible break in the dam? >> well, it is somebody who, you know, it's the first person that we've heard of that has come in to give eyewitness testimony that's directly contradictory to donald trump's story. now, that being said, he's also not able to point the finger directly at donald trump. you know, he's pointing the finger at carlos and saying carlos said this. but that's not something that can even really be used to show that donald trump said it. so it is, you know, the first instance of a so-called cooperating witness that we've seen in this case. >> i want to move on to another part of the superseding indictment. that is the fact that they added another document, another charge of willful retention. this document is significant because this is the one that is allegedly mentioned in that recording. what is your reaction to the fact that this has been added now in a superseding indictment? >> it's similar to what i said earlier. it's surprising to me that it's been added now.
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let's look at the 2020 election. we've been looking for this all week. where does it stand this morning? >> yesterday was a very important day in that progression because donald trump's attorneys, we learned, traveled to jack smith's office in northeast washington, d.c., and had a meeting over there. sources familiar with that meeting tell us it was a standard final pitch from the defense, arguing that their client should not be indicted and that they didn't think it changed anything. so it's essentially a formality. so we expect that case, that indictment to come any time. you know, it's going to be far more significant than this documents case in terms of the threat to our democracy. as big a deal as the documents case is, the january 6th case is perhaps ten times as important. because as we believe it is going to be alleged, conspiracy to defraud the united states, a conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, the counting and certification of
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