this is different because of that reason. second, it's the only time he's been indicted for conduct as president. so those other cases while perhaps important are actually not about what he did at all. they're about classified documents and trying to use powers he no longer had allegedly. third and i think it's the premise of your entire opening tonight, this is the big one and everybody knows it. there's a world where he's convicted in new york, alex, and he's not sent to jail or prison. and so he tells his supporters it wasn't that big a deal, it's kind of like a slap on the risk, and his life goes on in a way. i'm not minimizing this, but functionally this is different. he could stand trial before the election, if convicted that appeal could go to d.c. circuit, which is a very serious court.

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