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That offer. and he proceeded to explain to me the operation that he was involved in and that he was leading, which tracked very much with previous reporting that i had already been doing. and so, then, continued reporting with the intention of going back to him, some time, in short order to ask him for follow-up questions but unfortunately, he died about ten days after i interviewed him. so we continued our own reporting up until just yesterday when we published the piece. >> so, peter smith, he...