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Back and forth. he says, okay, i wont close the border down, but as he is traveling to a photo op at the wall turns to mcaleenan and says, you know, well just, you know, keep people out. we just wont let the asylum seekers in, any of the people that are trying to get in come in. just turn them away. the country is full. and he says to mcaleenan, if you return into any legal problems, i will pardon you. it was a part of this effort that he did for much of the last three years to kind of reach for...