it will occur tomorrow might. some of the 7 candidates who did not make the cut are seeking to make an argument that the candidates forum they will also have here in cleveland tomorrow separate for the big event will be absent of donald trump prove to be the more serious substantive exercise. the ten candidates who will appear in prime time at the quicken loans arena were chosen by the fox news decision desk which calls the state by state results on election night. that was on the basis of average of 5 different major national polls including fox news' own latest survey yesterday. the big challenge will be differentiating themselves with each other. shoot afrom the hip style alreay differentiates him. bob knee ginned ejindal of loui will appear in a separate candidate's forum also here at
it's going to happen, it has to. then people got scared and they ran ads kind of, you know, flipping people out about what it was going to mean. this happens a lot, and the same thing is happening now, and i think you see people kind of calming down, you know, the sidewalk didn't open up and swallow everybody up. it does seem to be moving along better. a lot of states are having tremendous success with it. kentucky being one of them. of course, the states that ran their own exchanges and really embraced the medicaid expansion, those states are the ones that are doing better, but, you know, i think at this point people have accepted the law, more people have been covered. people like the fact they can keep their kids on until they are 26 years old. they don't want to give that up. >> governor, is the politics of this beginning to change going forward as we see new governors coming in? and in your opinion is the politics changing? >> sure. and i think incumbent republican governors who are running this year for re-election like scott walker in wisconsin, like tom
it's 52% in kentucky and 52% in louisiana. and republicans who can't stop talking about repeal, they are not doing too well. take louisiana governor bobby jindal. here's what he said about the law. >> every governor's got two critical decisions to make. in louisiana we're not doing either one of those things. i don't think it makes sense to do those. we don't need the government running our health care. >> full repeal and full replace are the better way to go. >> "the new york times" finds governor jindal has got a negative 14% job approval. i wonder if blocking health care to people was a factor. he's refused the medicaid expansion in louisiana, denying 242,000 people insurance. senator mary landrieu's even calling it the jindal gap. and a local paper says taking
but on the question you asked, rev, there's no question about that. look at two other southern states where the governors, both democrats, governor bebee in arkansas and governor bashir in kentucky, where they took the medicaid expansion and set up their own exchanges. they are popular. they are both 20 points up in positive versus negative as opposed to governor jindal being 14 points down. so i think the republicans are in deep trouble. in kentucky -- in kentucky, think about kentucky. for 113,000 people signed up by the aca, of which 75% were previously uninsured and more than 50% were under 35. the law has worked beautifully in kentucky. mitch mcconnell is calling for its repeal. he's in trouble. >> you know, susan, check out these numbers, and this is what the governor's referring to. check out these numbers from "the new york times." most voters approve of arkansas
the money would be a "financial and moral no-brainer." the governor needs to face facts, the american people are sick and tired of republicans constantly talking about repeal. it's time for them to knock off this pointless fight or, as fonzy would say, sit on it. joining me now, former governor ed rendell and susan milligan. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> governor bobby jindal's approval is sinking, and so is the support for repeal, so has the gop jumped the shark on repealing health care? >> yeah, there's no question about it. and they get mixed up all the time. by the way, you can remind rand paul that the biggest period of economic growth in this country in the last 60 years was under bill clinton, who raised taxes, didn't cut taxes, he raised taxes and we created 25 million jobs in the next seven years.
it's a function of the seats up, the retirements and so forth, but i think this mantra of repeal and replace isn't really playing as strongly as it used to. particularly since they haven't come up with a replacement at this point. >> you know, governor, let's go back to governor jindal for a minute. the new york times spoke to a louisiana voter for the poll, and the voter said, "i'm a republican, but i'm tired of them saying repeal, repeal, repeal. they need to make it better." the people in governor's jindal's own party don't buy his own argument. how bad is that, governor? >> it's real bad. number one, they are sick and tired of them playing games and the 51 repeal votes are viewed by the american public as just nothing more than a political game, and number two, they are tired of the republican party obsessing about this health care law and not doing anything about the central problem facing america, and that's creating more jobs.
governor mike bebee and kentucky governor steve bashir. southern democrats who work to implement the affordable care act, but republican north carolina governor pat mccory and bobby jindal of louisiana who fought it are in much worst shapes. now these are all southern states, so what does this show us, susan? >> well, i think that people, you know, people have had problems with the law, either they have problems with it ideologically or the technological rollout wasn't very good, but i think a lot of people don't understand why their governors would just turn down free money from the feds to provide health care to poor people, which not only helps those people, but ends up helping everybody else, because they are not going to the emergency room and, you know, not paying bills and then the rest of us end up paying for it, so i think that is starting to come home to roost for a lot of these governors. i also think it makes a weaker argument in november in the senate races. i don't think it's a function of the health care law, i think
corbett in pennsylvania who haven't had the medicaid expansion, they've got some explaining to do to the voters. in pennsylvania, the medicaid expansion would cover 600,000 people, would bring $1.2 billion into the pennsylvania economy, and $110 million to pennsylvania hospitals. now voters want to know why, in view of what you just said, that report, rev, why in god's name would the governor not have taken the medicaid expansion? incumbent republican governors who didn't take the medicaid expansion, who didn't run their own exchanges, have serious questions to deal with. all the democrats have to do to say to all those people, those 600,000 people in pennsylvania, the democratic candidate promises to take the medicaid expansion the first day he's in office. under the law, the new governor can choose to expand medicaid even if the previous governor didn't. >> well, these governors up for re-election we're certainly going to be asking that question. governor ed rendell and susan
conservatives came to an uneasy truce there. in 1987, gop rage and hatred was the headline after the september mackinac meeting which brought about an early standoff between supporters of george h.w. bush and pat robertson. with this weekend's biennial conference, they're there again. scheduled speakers included governor scott walker of wisconsin, bobby jindal of louisiana, rand paul and john thune and karl rove and lance priebus, rick snyder took part in the conference and said he'll seek re-election next year. local tea party actists upset with his support for expanding medicaid in the state were hoping they could recruit a challenger before the conference, but were unable do that, though. for more on the battle over the future of the national republican party, i want to bring in former illinois republican state chairman pat brady, he joins the rest of the panel. and, pat, you know, we'll start with you, you have aspective th.
party especially on capitol hill when it's the governors that have outlined a conservative reform agenda. you look in new jersey when chris christie took office, he was able to pass even saoeultment reform, pension reform with the support of even some democrats who were initially opposed to him. you look at bobby jindal of louisiana who has taken over the republican governor's association and he was able to gain a claim for his leadership in the wake of hurricane katrina and ed indication reform. they are setting a model for how republicans can talk about the agenda in the future. jon: one of romney's arguments he made it late in the game, one of his arguments was hey i was a republican governor in a democratic state and worked with a democratic legislature to get things done. >> romney didn't talk about his central legislative achievement, healthcare reform because it was a controversial issue with the conservative base. what you're seeing is that republican governors are taking up conservative reforms, they are making them more phral