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One, they understood that their members of congress cared about them, their constituents, and not other people and, two, they understood that they werent setting the agenda for the next eight years, the democrats controlled the house, they controlled the senate, they had the presidency, but the tea party could play defense. they could respond to everything coming down the pike and say no. >> so thats a crucial strategic point you make. you basically say, listen, as liberals we would love to focu...

Exclusively. >> i dont think progressives should give up the idea of a bold progressive future, thats important but if youre an advocate on the ground talking to representative goodlatte or anybody else, youll be responding to what congress is doing today. yesterday it was trying to make congress even more corrupt than congress already is. tomorrow its going to be something bad, too. so you have the power to just say this is unacceptable and weve seen that happening all over the country now. you...

Affect members of congress. youre basically saying, listen, form letters, dont bother, online petitions, nice but its not the thing that makes a difference to the member of congress on the ground. is that fair to say? >> thats absolutely right. the tea party really understood a couple things about how their members of congress thought. one, they understood that their members of congress cared about them, their constituents, and not other people and, two, they understood that they werent setting ...