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Give me one e-mail and i will stop this. who was in the saudi group? whats the target? where was the last time you saw bin laden? >> harrowing water boarding scene from "zero dark thirty." my next guest says water boarding is not torture. the general counsel to the cia and author of "company man" the controversy and crisis in the cia. he joins me now. welcome to you. theres a great quote on the back of your book from a "washington post" columnist saying "think of tom hagan, the corleone lawyer i...

Gates has a book out. probably the most damning of many revelations is on afghanistan, he says president obama doesnt believe in his own strategy, doesnt consider the war to be his. for him its all about getting out. the reason he said damaging he said although obama supported the troops he didnt support mission at all. can you really be president of the united states and so apparently openly not support a mission for which youve committed hundreds of thousands of troops? >> well, honestly, i wo...

For personal reasons, that if she was acting this way as i said a petty tyrant who was actually putting peoples lives at risk -- >> ive got to jump in. i agree. its amazing that shes still on the job now, frankly. i would have thought when i first saw that e-mail. lets turn to brian quickly to the fox revelations here to gabriel sherman book, new york magazine contributor incredibly well-researched book. 600 interviews apparently. one of the main revelations in this that you think were all going...

Lets turn to brian quickly to the fox revelations here to gabriel sherman book, new york magazine contributor incredibly well-researched book. 600 interviews apparently. one of the main revelations in this that you think were all going to be gorging over? >> i think people skeptical of fox news are going to read this book and be sure once and for all that fox news is an arm of the republican party. now of course, fox news says its not. roger ailes denies a lot of the allegations in the book. but...

At risk -- >> ive got to jump in. i agree. its amazing that shes still on the job now, frankly. i would have thought when i first saw that e-mail. lets turn to brian quickly to the fox revelations here to gabriel sherman book, new york magazine contributor incredibly well-researched book. 600 interviews apparently. one of the main revelations in this that you think were all going to be gorging over? >> i think people skeptical of fox news are going to read this book and be sure once and for all ...

Roger ailes is a good guy. i think that continue s people who hate fox news will just have more ammunition to hate fox news. so i dont think youll see a large shift in how the public responds to this. i dont think people will be disappointed in fox news. they dont expect much. >> seems to me if these are the juiciest bits in this book its pretty thin gruel. this just in. [ overlapping speakers ] >> hang on. its not just the way ive described it. there is a pretty serious allegation in there that...