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Ksm by us in early 2002 before even the two react torres, outside contractors hired boy rodriguez showed to the site. these are the facts. >> bill: he says you werent on the site. you didnt know what the cia got out of zubaydah and al shed? >> i on the fbi pulled out from the site. >> bill: where was the site. >> i cant tell you that. >> bill: you were there in the beginning and what terrorist was president. >> zubaydah. >> bill: he was present and you there were in the beginning. the fbi and ci...

And they wausharaed zubaydah and they say the information they got from zubaydah led to the capture of other terrorists including khalid sheikh mohammed. >> well that is factually not the truth either. >> how do you know that though? >> im still working with the military commissions on the guantanamo bay. i know the information we got after. everything they told us about the efficacy of enhanced interrogation techniques so far. i was there when we get the information. number two, that has been d...

And they wausharaed zubaydah and they say the information they got from zubaydah led to the capture of other terrorists including khalid sheikh mohammed. >> well that is factually not the truth either. >> how do you know that though? >> im still working with the military commissions on the guantanamo bay. i know the information we got after. everything they told us about the efficacy of enhanced interrogation techniques so far. i was there when we get the information. number two, that has been d...

Lead to very very vital intelligence that saved thousands of lives. i dont think if i were you that i could call him a liar if i wasnt there. >> well, i was there and what they are giving us as examples they got. they said they got ksm. i know they didnt get ksm. they said they got padilla, the dirty bomber, i know they didnt get padilla the dirty bomber. more importantly, sir, the cias own investigation of the program real veeld that not one single imminent threat was stopped because of enhance...

Ksm by us in early 2002 before even the two react torres, outside contractors hired boy rodriguez showed to the site. these are the facts. >> bill: he says you werent on the site. you didnt know what the cia got out of zubaydah and al shed? >> i on the fbi pulled out from the site. >> bill: where was the site. >> i cant tell you that. >> bill: you were there in the beginning and what terrorist was president. >> zubaydah. >> bill: he was present and you there were in the beginning. the fbi and ci...

Intelligence that saved thousands of lives. i dont think if i were you that i could call him a liar if i wasnt there. >> well, i was there and what they are giving us as examples they got. they said they got ksm. i know they didnt get ksm. they said they got padilla, the dirty bomber, i know they didnt get padilla the dirty bomber. more importantly, sir, the cias own investigation of the program real veeld that not one single imminent threat was stopped because of enhanced interrogation techniqu...

Sheikh mohammed, bill. >> bill: you contend is he not telling the truth here. >> i contend is he not telling the truth. and he doesnt know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesnt know what we got. >> bill: here now to reply is mr. sufan the author of the book black banners inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda. what say you? >> thank you for the opportunity to respond. >> bill: sure, absolutely. >> you know, mr. rodriguez is tot...

Lead to very very vital intelligence that saved thousands of lives. i dont think if i were you that i could call him a liar if i wasnt there. >> well, i was there and what they are giving us as examples they got. they said they got ksm. i know they didnt get ksm. they said they got padilla, the dirty bomber, i know they didnt get padilla the dirty bomber. more importantly, sir, the cias own investigation of the program real veeld that not one single imminent threat was stopped because of enhance...

Sheikh mohammed, bill. >> bill: you contend is he not telling the truth here. >> i contend is he not telling the truth. and he doesnt know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesnt know what we got. >> bill: here now to reply is mr. sufan the author of the book black banners inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda. what say you? >> thank you for the opportunity to respond. >> bill: sure, absolutely. >> you know, mr. rodriguez is tot...

>> bill: you contend is he not telling the truth here. >> i contend is he not telling the truth. and he doesnt know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesnt know what we got. >> bill: here now to reply is mr. sufan the author of the book black banners inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda. what say you? >> thank you for the opportunity to respond. >> bill: sure, absolutely. >> you know, mr. rodriguez is totally wrong here. as fbi...