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You know, certainly on one hand you could sit there and say all these steps were taken to overturn the results of the election, but on the other hand, if he truly believed that there was fraud, whether you agree with him or not, if he truly believed it and if his team truly believed it, what steps would you expect them to take? you know, you would expect them to take the steps of saying, hey, lets slow down the process and lets try to verify these things, kick it back to the states to make sure ...

Tonight, former prument is attacking the justice department again after revealing that he is the target of the special counsels election probe. this is him in iowa earlier tonight. >> they go after trump but they dont go after -- [ laughter ] they should give a little of that oomph to going after the terrorists. >> maggie haberman, a senior political correspondent for "the new york times" joins me now. i mean, to hear him saying that, i dont think its surprising. it came unprompted. at this lodg...

To do things that mike pence said he couldnt do. of course, we had rudy giuliani and these other attorneys going into states and trying to get these slates of fake electors. thats more than questioning. they had 60 court cases that were all thrown out. >> well, a lot of those court cases were thrown out on standing issues and they were really thrown out prediscovery. as to pressuring people to do things that the people say they cant do, thats one of those things where you have to look into it an...

Afternoon. >> jack smith has prosecuted democrats too. i mean he prosecuted or was part of it for senator menendez, senator john edwards. are you saying if he finds evidence of criminality he should not charge donald trump anyway? >> what im say something when youre going after somebody on the other side of the political spectrum, if youre stretching statutes to try to criminalize maybe political disagreements, that is wrong. now, look, this is all speculation. but i think weve gone down the roa...

January 6th investigation. this is one thread and when you pull on it, i think its going to be a lot more extensive fabric than just what happened in michigan. >> thats a great question for you, jamie. as you do look at that, this is the michigan state investigation. of course, thats why you saw their attorney general announcing it. how does that fit into the special counsels probe, which we know is looking at the fake electors? >> we dont know yet, but lets keep in mind, these are state charges...

Tells "theew york times" its hard to see how another republican breaks out when primary voters are rallying around their most recent president and any challengers have to hold their fire. take governor ron desantis who more than held his fire in a rare interview with cnns jake tapper. >> are you saying that if he finds evidence of criminality he should not charge donald trump anyway? >> what im saying is when youre going after somebody on the other side of the political spectrum, if youre stretc...