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Actually undertaking a systemic methodical way, obstructing an investigation, you would not do it by firing the figure head. mark: this is a case i think that president knew he had nothing to do with russia, he was being falsely accused every day, and media picking up this not to respect the news but to get at -- not to report the news but to get at president, i think he did this out of frustration as an american innocence person. >> you talk about obstruction case as a prosecutor, you think can...