Them. So if you go back ten or 20 years and add it all up, its massive amounts of money that the United States has paid and stuffed up like nobody. This has gone on for decades by the way, many president s, but no other president brings it up like i brought it up. Many have complained about it. Many have singled out germany for criticism because they are an economic powerhouse. They accuse them of funneling billions of dollars to russia even though they saw protection from the military from us. President trump billions and billions of dollars are being paid to the country that is supposed to be protecting you. Everyone is talking about it all over the world. Well we are supposed to be protecting her from russia but why are you paying billions of dollars to russia for energy . Why are the countries in nato, mainly germany, having a large percentage of the energy paid to
russia and if you look at it, germany is the capital of russia. Despite looking at the american team, they look around
Chris Matthews debates hot political issues with politicians, newsmakers and Washington leaders. Comes from giuliani, who attempted to downplay the criminal aspect of collusion with the russians. Rather than deny that collusion took place, he now today argued that collusion isnt illegal. Lets watch. Ive been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Its not. Collusion is not a crime. I dont even know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime. The hacking is the crime. The hacking that certainly is the original the president didnt hack. Of course not. Thats he didnt pay them for hacking. Its so much fun. An apparent shift in strategy. Giuliani now appears to be saying that collusion is not so bad after all. You saw him there chuckling about it. And also 150e78d to undermined the credibility, however, of President Trumps frequent and categorical denials that there was no collusion. Which has been a familiar refrain from
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Stories here, who has more perceived credibility at this point . Its a tough call. What do you think . Well, thats a good question, i dont think either one of them does. President trump says things that are untrue all the time. He has about this very anecdote because the New York Times reported a year ago he helped create a false statement about this meeting. Don jr. Most likely told his father about this meeting, its not plausible that he wouldnt have. Michael cohen doesnt have credibility. Rudy giuliani doesnt have credibility. I think what this does, we dont know again if this is collusion, if collusion is a crime. If this is actually an impeachable offense. Well wait for mueller to figure this out. Whether or not there was a direct act that could be
translated from collusion to conspiracy. But i think what this does is, with Michael Cohen
Chris Hayes discusses the days top news. There is always a striking thing that happened on the house side in these investigations in these matters, which is they never got their hands on the Phone Records. Never subpoenaed the Phone Records placed to an unknown meeting. Is that something you would like to see as a member of congress. I am a former prosecutor and if there was an allegation and i did not subpoena those records, i would have been fired. It was clear that they were not interested in trying to find evidence of collusion. Trying to do a whitewash of what happened. And i think history will not judge them kindly. Reporting yesterday about senator claire mc mccaskill. How democrats last week put up a bill to provide election, security funding. The republicans rejected that. And it is clear that the House Republicans have completely gone derelict in their attitude to protect america. And hopefully voters will change. Top officials on election security. We are told it lasted 30 m
It took place. Did you know at the time about that meet something. No, i didnt know anything about it. It must have been a very important meeting, because i never even heard that. No one told you a word, nothing . I know we talked about this on the plane a bit. No, nobody told me. Sounded like a very unimportant meeting. Deep cuts there from haberman and schmidt. Thats not what Michael Cohen claims, alleging that he and several others were present when thencandidate donald trump gave his nod of approval for the meeting to move forward. That contradicts repeated denials from donald trump jr. And others in Donald Trumps orbit. Did you tell your father anything about this . No. It was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. I wouldnt have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. The president said he became aware of it very recently, right before this came out, and thats when he was notified. Joining me now is jeff
bennett, msnbcs white house correspondent, natash