Chris Matthews debates hot political issues with politicians, newsmakers and Washington leaders. Comes from giuliani, who attempted to downplay the criminal aspect of collusion with the russians. Rather than deny that collusion took place, he now today argued that collusion isnt illegal. Lets watch. Ive been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Its not. Collusion is not a crime. I dont even know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime. The hacking is the crime. The hacking that certainly is the original the president didnt hack. Of course not. Thats he didnt pay them for hacking. Its so much fun. An apparent shift in strategy. Giuliani now appears to be saying that collusion is not so bad after all. You saw him there chuckling about it. And also 150e78d to undermined the credibility, however, of President Trumps frequent and categorical denials that there was no collusion. Which has been a familiar refrain from this president. Lets watch him. Lets put it this way. There is absolutely no collusion. That has been proven. Look, theres been no collusion. Zero collusion. Theres no collusion. No collusion. No collusion. No collusion. Just so you understand it, theres been no collusion. Theres been no crime. There was absolutely no collusion. Everybody knows it. No collusion. No nothing. No collusion. I say it all the time. There was no collusion. So what just happened . In an attempt to clean up his remarks giuliani went on fox news to say he was merely making a lawyers argument. Lets watch this. So what i said today, that there was no collusion, and therefore and that collusion also is no crime, ive been saying that from the very beginning. So did john dowd. Its a very, very familiar lawyers argument, that the alternative, my client didnt do it, and even if he did it its not a crime. And i have said that over and over again. Collusion is not a crime. The only crime here is hacking. And it is ridiculous to think that the president hacked. Well, see if you can follow that. Giulianis argument, howevers a matter of semantics. Whatever word you use to describe it, if the president
president discussed a meeting with the russians. We checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, for four of the six. That meeting never, ever took place. It didnt happen. Its a figment of his imagination or hes lying. Joining me right now is democratic senator Richard Blumenthal of connecticut. Yammish alcindor is correspondent for pbs newshour. Robert Costa National political reporter for the Washington Post. And brett stevens, columnist for the Washington Post. Thank you. What just happened . They went from Didnt Collude with the russians, they didnt participate in this conspiracy to disrupt and discredit our Electoral Process, although if they did it its no problem. What happened . Is it the accumulation of that Michael Cohen story thats getting out that theyre going to be caught so, they might as well deny the guilt of the crime because they cant deny the crime . Hard to know what theyre doing because from all appearances Rudy Giuliani is implicating his client in a web of criminality. By the way, its more than just semantics. This country was attacked, as you saw from the indictment of 12 russian operatives and spies who were ordered by President Putin to do theyve been indicted for felonies, and this president has helped them do it. At least theyre now saying, well, we dont deny that we did it. And the definition of conspiracy, and ive given this instruction to a jury, so have judges, is that there are spokes on a wheel. You dont have to be at the center. All you need to do is be one of those spokes. You dont need to know all the conspiracy or agree to all of it oregon even know all of it, but you can be part of it if you just participate in some of it. Thats what Rudy Giuliani is saying donald trump did. And were talking about fundamentally an attack on america that Rudy Giuliani seems very dismissive about taking seriously. And the only interpretation, the only strategy i can see is that hes trying to strengthen the base, reassure them, and make
light of it. What he seems to be saying is yeah, we may have agreed to talk turkey, we may have agreed to talk dirt on hillary, we may have been helping them generally, but we didnt have anything to do with the hacking. What kind of defense is that . That is a very slim to none defense. That is the kind of defense that would be laughed out of a courtroom. I just want to add one more point. All this talk about a second meeting is truly damning because if you take donald trump jr. s testimony before the Judiciary Committee essentially, this contradicts him. It could lead him to be in danger of perjury. And clearly he has failed to be truthful. . Lets go back to theres two news stories here. One is the second meeting that only adds the deliberative quality of the meeting in the second place. Lets talk about whether we should meet with the russians to get some dirt, oh, lets do it. That seems more deliberative. Let me go to this other
Chris Matthews debates hot political issues with politicians, newsmakers and Washington leaders. But you dont like trump so we can agree on that. So lets move on. I dont forget but i do forgive. So lets move on. What do you think the business community, which i dont really know that well, they love the fact that theyre getting relief on what i think is important regulation on environment, things like that. They love their tax cuts. Its like they close their eyes to the sleaze. Can they close their eyes as republicans, most of them are republicans, to the idea of dealing with the enemy . With dealing with putin. Will they close their eyes to this horror of collaboration car, hoots, whatever you want to call it, with the russians screwing with the Electoral Process to discredit us. Will they forgive that as long as theyre fat and happy . One of my great disappointments as a former republican is just realizing just how transactional the politics of many other republicans really are. Particularly the business community. Look, we just had economic numbers. They attacked our democracy. And the only apparently person in Public Office is donald trump denying that its an attack that should be met strongly and fiercely. And this kind of effort to discredit the Special Prosecutor is an anticipatory effort to in effect avoid the consequences when the report comes out. I want to do like an anthem around here and i want to remind any republicans watching right now who still think their tax cuts and their deregulation justify this stuff. If barack obama had done anything like this, if hed been caught dealing with the russians, dealing to get dirt on his opponent in that case, doing this against john mccain, theyd have strung him up. If not physically, they would have done it morally. They would have said this guys the worst thing that ever happened to this country. Their standards are zilch right now. I think that politically donald trump has got anne way with a lot of things that of course i think people argue president obama wouldnt have gotten away with. But i also think some people argue that other republicans wouldnt have gotten away with. All the 16 other people he beat out to get this spot, i dont know if they would have got anne way with taking meetings with russia with all these kinds of connections so hows he get a dispensation . I mean, as a reporter ive talked to his supporters, ive done so much research, and i think there are people that kind of just justify it because they have the thing that theyre voting for. Either you can look at the 4 growth or you can look at abortion and say i can support him because of that or i can support him because i dont i really didnt like Hillary Clinton and thats what im going to do. I think when you see these republicans going out there theyre saying, oh, well, we all want Opposition Research but theyre not saying we want Opposition Research from a foreign country, which is what the which is what our laws in the United States say are not possible and that you cant do that. Robert, youre great at this. Tell me about the role between rudy and the president. He has really stirred it up. He has stirred it so much its hard to keep track of it. Hes really good at messing up your mind. You think you got him on collusion, then he turns around over the weekend and says, well, im not going to play that
defense anymore, all right collusion but its not anything illegal about it, cant find it in the code. His ability to slip and slide on this thing, do they Work Together on the phone, this tag team, or is it just rudy freelancing it out there . Every time i call mayor giuliani, i say when was the last time you spoke to President Trump . He usually says just a couple hours ago. Think about President Trump in that dining room just off the oval office with the flatscreen tv watching it all day, thinking about cable news, digesting it, tweeting, and then he has Rudy Giuliani, a generational peer, across town appearing in almost every green room in new york or down in washington. They are a pair unlike any other pair in this trump orbit, who think through things in a gut sense, in a raw political sense, and theyre waging this war without much advice from others. Its really giuliani, the president together. Pretty frightening. Thank you, senator Richard Blumenthal as always. Yam yeesh alcindor and bret stephens. The Paul Manafort trial about to
begin tomorrow a couple miles across the potomac. What could it mean for Robert MuellersInvestigation On Trump . Lots of years facing this guy manafort for hooking up with trump. Plus trump and the publisher of the New York Times give each other an earful about fake news and a private meeting. Its not so private. Is the president putting journalists lives at risk . Youve got twornd about that. Also the hardball round table tonight. Trump doubles down about his border wall. Hes willing to shut down the government he says over the wall sxap little fun tonight. Sacha baron cohen claims another victim, roy moore. Wait till you catch this. He punks him. Its amazing. He gets away with it. Finally, let me finish tonight with trump watch. This is hardball, where the action is. Ps the smart ones look to fidelity to find them. We give you research and datavisualization tools to help identify potential opportunities. So, you can do it this way. Or get everything you need to help capture Investment Ideas and make smarter Trading Decisions with fidelity for just 4. 95 per online u. S. Equity trade. Fidelity. Open an account today. Open an account today. Overwhelming Air Fresheners can send you running. So try febreze one. With no aerosols and no heavy perfumes. So you can spray and stay. Febreze one. You shouldnt be rushed into booking a hotel. With expedias addon advantage, booking a Flight Unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. Addon advantage. Only when you book with expedia. President trump took some questions after meeting with the
italian Prime Minister at the white house today. He was asked about sitting down with the president of iran to talk about easing tensions. Lets listen to that. I do believe that they will probably end up wanting to meet, and im ready to meet anytime they want to. And i dont that from strength or from weakness. I think its an appropriate thing to do. If we could work something out thats meaningful, not the waste of paper that the other deal was, i would certainly be willing to meet. Do you have preconditions for that meeting . No preconditions. No. They want to meet ill meet. Anytime. No preconditions. But remember the heat that then candidate barack obama took after saying hed meet with leaders of enemy nations with no preconditions . That was back in 2008. Well, today all were hearing from the right a now familiar deafening silence. Whatever trump does is fine with them. As long as they get their tax cuts and their regulations removed on the environment. Well be right back. To help you get the price and coverage thats right for you. Thats amazing the only thing that would make this better
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infamous meeting at trump tower. Will that come up . What are we going learn about trump in this trial . Sadly not very much. One of the prosecutors even said the word russia wont come Up Sxlp Ukraine will come up. Ukraine will come up. But its not clear theyre even going to talk about his work for donald trump. This is a fascinating stoirl on a lot of levels. This guys been a fixture in American Politics since the 1970s and its kind of a shakespearean tragedy because the Justice Department investigated him years ago. Took a pass, didnt pursue this case. The only reason hes wearing Green Jumpsuits today is because he went to work for donald trump. But were not going to learn i think that would be a message to people that are facing trial, youre not going to win on trumps side, cynthia, because trump is bad news. Trump is bad news. And hes hes not generous. He hasnt pardoned anybody yet connected with him. No. You know, one of the Big Questions is why Hasnt The Guy Pled and some people think hes holding out for a pardon. Theres no reason for trump to pardon him. It doesnt do anything for trump. Because thats the way pardons seem to work. Im kind of wondering if the if muellers office just didnt even offer him very much. They basically said you dont do anything for us. We have gates, we have working with trump when they were talking about russia. He didnt overhear anything . Thats kind of hard to believe. Its not im sure he did but they have it from gates. And plus whats going to happen here is hes going to get convict in a long and boring trial with the exception for about two days, hes going to get convicted and then the Sentencing Process is going to come up. And hes going to have to be do some cooperation in order to get a better sentence. So theyre still going to have a second bite at that apple. And hes Got Another Trial In September hes in his late 60s, right . Hes going to be in jail the rest of his life. Well, prisons not too good to you while youre in there. You dont live that long inside. No. And i think its a Life Sentence if hes convicted in both of these trials why doesnt he just get on the phone call trump, ask for the white house number, say can i talk to the president , im not saying another word if youll
pardon me . Hes under an indictment for witness tampering. He doesnt have his phone anymore. But he also has another trial in september. And if anything comes of the conspiracy to violate campaign finance, which i predict will come after the election, hes going to have a third, or actually a fourth indictment. Theres nothing in this guys future except going to trial and getting convicted. Whats it going to look like to the American People if trump skates, as we say, he doesnt get indicted, he cant get kicked out of office because theres too Many Republican senators, so he skates on impeachment and conviction but hes still in office. But two years from now theres a whole lineup of people going to prison because of him. Hows that going to look to the voter . To the independent voter not very good. But youre right. It becomes a political question, not a legal question. How much a stench can they stomach in their president . Theres no Taping System that we know of. And Richard Nixon didnt have fox news. Donald trumps got an amen corner saying that black is white and dont believe what youre seeing. But what about
cohens got a Taping System. There you go. What about the Family Members . I always think when i try to think of this over the weekend when im alone with my wife and im thinking, the time when it comes to the reckoning is when trump has to choose between family and freedom or staying in office. Wouldnt he pardon his soninlaw he likes okay, his daughter who he obviously loves . Wouldnt he pardon them . Theyve got to be on this Chopping List of robert mueller. Theyre on the Chopping List clearly. He could pardon them, but that could be an Impeachment Count for obstruction. I dont see it i was talking with another very experienced lawyer today, and we chatted for a while about it. I dont see it coming in little pieces like just indicting jon jr. Or just indicting kushner. Its going to be global. Its going to be a bombshell. And its going to come after the election. And it will include everybody. Rico charge, running a criminal conspiracy . I dont know if it will be rooko but it will be 371. President trump and his
allies have attempted to downplay Paul Manaforts role in the 2016 campaign. Here it goes. I tell you, i feel a little badly about it. They went back 123 years to get things he did 12 years ago. Paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. He worked for me, what, 49 days or something. A very short period of time. We had a little hiccup with this guy manafort who we can find him, we know where he is, hes right down the road now, not hard to find right now. Rbt they nice to their people . In reality Paul Manafort worked for the campaign for five months. He managed tell delegates at the Republican National convention where trump won. He then became campaign manager, ken, my friend. These guys are not nice to the people. They are not. He played a significant role. He was on the sunday shows. He was speaking for the campaign. And we were reporting at the time, chris, hey, this guys got some interesting deals with russian oligarchs. And the Campaign Just didnt listen until they were confronted with hey, this guys in real trouble. Is it reasonable to assume that trump sought to took advantage of all this knowledge of the internal workings of putins operation when his
campaign managers sitting next to him . Yeah. And its also reasonable of course its reasonable. Thats why i think hes got something to give to the prosecutor. Paul manafort to robert mueller. Didnt you ever hear him talking about how putin operates, how he deals with ukraine and what he really wants . He wants ukraine in some form. Squle definitely has something to give. But the prosecutor doesnt have to give him very much to get it. Right . Because the prosecutor has him dead to rights, a. And b, he has gates. Gates is the kedeputy. Let me ask you a cosmic question. A global question. This guy goes away for 20 years or 15 years, whatever. Does that kill the idea this is a witch hunt, he gets himself a witch . I think so. I mean, for reasonable people. There are some people who are never going get off that witch hunt thing. If you convict the campaign manager, the campaign chairman, send him away for 20 years, how is this a witch hunt . Good question. That was a rhetorical question. Thank you, cynthia alksne, expert on prosecutions like this. Ken dilanian, expert on this wholeness. Up next the publisher of the New York Times takes the president , this president to task for his relentless attacks on the media. You know, enemy of the people. Does anybody think this means trump will stop describing journalists as the enemy of the people . This is hardball, where the action is. Hopes you drive safely. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . Dinner date. Meeting his parents dinner date. Why did i want a crest 3d white smile . So i used crest. Crest 3d white removes. 95 of Surface Stains in just 3 days. For a whiter smile. That will win them over. Crest. Healthy, beautiful smiles for life. To me, hes, phil micwell, dad. O golfer. So when his joint pain from Psoriatic Arthritis got really bad, it scared me. And what could that pain mean . Joint pain could mean joint damage. Enbrel helps relieve joint pain, helps stop irreversible joint damage, and helps skin get clearer. Enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. Serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, Nervous System and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. Tell your doctor if youve been someplace where fungal infections are common, or if youre prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. Dont start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. Since enbrel, dads back to being dad. Visit enbrel. Com and use the joint Damage Simulator to see how your joint damage could be progressing. Ask about enbrel. Enbrel. Fda approved for over 15 years. But behr premium stain y can weather any weather. Overall 1 rated, weathers it all. Find our most advanced formula exclusively at the home depot. Welcome back to hardball. Over the weekend President Trump tweeted that he had a very good and interesting meeting at the white house with a. G. Sulzberger, publisher of the
New York Times. Spent much time talking about the vast amounts of Fake News Being put out by the media and how that fake news has morphed o into the phrase enemy of the people. Sad. The New York Times confirmed the previously off the record meeting and explained it was held at the white house aat the request of the white house. However, according to sulzberg the purpose of the meeting was to raise concerns in his words about the president s deeply troubling antipress rhetoric. That its not just divisive but increasingly dangerous. Thats his word. He also told the president while the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful that he was much more concerned about trump labeling journalists the enemy of the people. The president didnt seem to like that and tweeted this defense. When the media reveals internal deliberations of our government, it puts the lives of many, not just journalists, at risk. Very unpatriotic. Freedom of the press also comes with responsibility to report the news. Thats trump talking. President trump proudly professed he invented the term fake news to go after reporting he didnt like. As you know, i have a running
war with the media. They are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. A few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people. And they are. They are the enemy of the people. You know, you read the fake news. Its fake and disgraceful. Just stick with us. Dont believe the crap you see from these people. The fake news. And just remember, what youre seeing and what youre reading is not whats happening. According to the committee to protect journalists, 34 journalists have been killed around the world in 2018 alone. And for more im joined by jonathan capehart, opinion writer at the Washington Post and also a holder of the pulitzer prize, which ive just discovered you hold, that great majesty. Seriously . No, i dont know everything. Because you dont brag on it. Some people around here always do. But you did win it back in 99. Let me ask you about this. Nixon, when he was president , went out and said manson was guilty and it was a big problem. This guy goes around saying innocent people, completely innocent journalists, republican
miz of t are enemies of the people. Youve got to wonder if thats going to cause a problem with somebody with a gun or Somebody Just a dangerous person is going to take that literally and say im killing the enemy of the people. Its not outrageous someone would do that in this 330 Million People country. Remember what happened during the comet pizza situation where there was this cathy and i were there last week. Its this harmless little pizza place. Little pizza place thats very popular with families. Not too far from the its the kind of place where families of seven people or so gather around a long table and drink coke and have pizzas. Right. And there was this rumor out there that Hillary Clinton was running a Child Sex Ring out of this out of this restaurant. And some man drove hundreds of miles to go check it out for himself. With his gun. And then he shot into the roof, didnt he . Yes, he did. And so now what we have is the president of the United States saying that journalists doing their jobs, doing their job are
the enemy of the people. One thing i want viewers to understand if they dont already know it is there is only one profession that is protected in the constitution of the United States and thats journalism because the framers, the founders realized, or thought it important that a free and unfettered press would be a check on the power of government. So while we know about the checks and balances between the legislative, executive and judicial, the people through the press jeffersons idea, by the way. Right. Were able to keep their eyes on what the government is doing in their name. And youve got the president of the United States, who is sworn to uphold and protect the constitution, saying that the people who are protected in the constitution are the enemy of the people. Fake news is bad enough. That was just rhetoric. I do agree that enemy of the people, some people are going to take that literal. Anyway, authoritarian regimes as we know around the world have picked up on trumps attacks against the media. In venezuela president nicolas
maduro told rt, thats the Russian Television network, that his country was being bullied by the world media spreading lots of lies, calling them fake news. The phrase of this president. And syrian president Bashar Al Assad denied reports that he ordered the torture of prison inmates. Heres what he told yahoo news when he was asked about it. Were living in a fake news era, as you know pf everybody know this. Isnt it nice these dictators are being scripted by our president . Right. There was a time, chris, when the president of the United States was the one who was not on the leader of the free world and president of the United States but the defender of freedom of liberal values. Liberal world order. And now theyre taking, these dictators are taking their cues from the president of the United States to them. That means that there are no breaks but let me ask you, is he hitting a fly with a hammer . It doesnt carry him that far, the evil hes doing here. He can say fake news and make the same point. Going to the point of enemy of the people im not sure he gets
any votes out of that. I think its awful. Its not just the ends dont justify the means. I dont think there are any real ends. Does he get any votes out of this . I dont know if he gets votes. People may believe it but chris, when he says these things, its usually at a rally. Its usually when theres a big crowd, and when the president feels probably when the energy is flagging in the room, when he needs an applause line, he has his goto phrases. And fake news, enemy of the people, attacks on journalists, thats easy Applause Matter for him. I think people get up in the morning, read the paper and they believe most of it and thats what the right thing is to do. I dont think they think its the enemy of the people. From your lips. When they want to know who won the game last night, they want to know what the weather is tomorrow, some basics of whats happening in their lives, and they do trust us. Thats just a fact. How else would they get information . They dont hear it across the back yard fence. They heard it from us. I love it when they heard it from us and then they attack us. Anyway, thank you, jonathan capehart, pulitzer prizewinning author. Up next, trump says he would have no problem with a Government Shutdown if it means he gets to build his wall. Its back to the wall. Better to talk about the wall than the separated kids, dont you think . He knows what hes doing. Change the subject to the wall again. But the Republican Leaders think about that idea while their party fights to keep control of congress. Can you shut down the government and still ask to run it . Youre watching hardball. Oh ozempic® vo people with Type 2 Diabetes are excited about the potential of onceweekly ozempic®. In a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. Oh under seven . vo and you may lose weight. In the same oneyear study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. Oh up to 12 pounds . vo a twoyear study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiovascular events like heart attack, stroke, or death. Oh no increased risk . Ozempic® ozempic® should not be the first medicine for treating diabetes, or for people with Type 1 Diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. Do not share needles or pens. Dont reuse needles. Do not take ozempic® if you have a personal or family history
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threat he made over the weekend to shut down the government over his wall. Some republicans pushed back on the president s threat. Here was senator ron johnson of wisconsin. Lets watch him. I certainly dont like playing shutdown politics. And how damaging would that be for republicans ahead of the november races . I dont think it would be helpful. So lets try and avoid it. Well, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut tweeted yesterday, pro tip on whos responsible if the government shuts down this fall. Republicans control the house, republicans control the senate, and the republican president just told you he wants to shut down the government in the fall. Lets bring in tonights hardball round table. Elena schneider is a Campaign Reporter for politico. Cornel belchers a democratic strategist. And john braybender is for balance a republican strategist. Thank you. So lets start with somebody whos in the middle here, an objective person. It is odd to my ears and everybody i work with, our producers today, how weve gotten used to something bizarre. The chief executive, the one
responsible for making the government work, talking so charitiably about shutting down the government. Like thats a sort of fun thing to do. He used to feel responsible for the government delivering. Now theyre just talking about yeah, well shut it down. He knows its good for his base and he knows thats going to be a 345i69ding factor for them. Knows he needs to promise that and needs to actually deliver on it. But the response on capitol hill was really telling about what this actually means, which was basically a shrug. They know and they have indicated that the president is aware that they are going to need to get this funding done for republicans to hold on if they have hopes to hold on to the majority in november and then save the Border Wall Fight for the lame duck session. Do you think thats right, john . Do your people out there want that wall . Everyone keeps saying the donald trump base. And youve got to understand theres two bases. First of all, there are conservatives, and weve got gorsuch. Were going to get kavanaugh. And we have Vice President mike pence. The conservatives, fine. The second big part of the base
is what i call the Stick It To The Man base. Theyre democrats and republicans. And frankly, they would love to see the government shut down and have this president do it. And this is what i was saying. Theyre going to, instead of saying lock her up, theyre going to start chanting shut it down. Because they believe donald trump knows whats right and how we should do these things and hes not afraid with the economy doing well to use some of that capital to get his wall. And so i dont think hes bluffing. I think hes dead serious on this. I couldnt disagree more. One, the Republican Party is now the donald trump party. Right . You talk about conservatives and what once upon a time that means. Apparently now it means run up deficits, it means were not for free trade and it means were about shrugging away from family values. So i dont know what conservatism means anymore with donald trump. Two is look, it does play to his base. But house and Senate Republicans are right. It is not at all helpful to them when they have to win these suburban districts filled by, guess what, collegeeducated
suburban women who have been moving away from what theyre seeing in washington right now p last thing they dont like the separation of children. They dont like that part. Well, the last thing they want is more of this divisiveness and more of this sort of red meat politics. The other issue is health care which the same argument that the left made of why Hillary Clinton was going to beat donald trump. By telling me about the same College Educated suburban women who were never going to vote for trump. I never made that argument. But a lot of people i heard that a lot. You know what happened is a lot of rust belt democrat Working Families voted for donald trump for this very reason, that they like this guy doing this. And he got a majority in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania and ohio. He got a majority there . No, he didnt get a majority there. Well, he won the states handily. He won by like a point. Meanwhile if you win by one vote it counts. By the way, he did carry those
states. But he didnt win a majority, right . Okay. Over the weekend leaders of the conservative Koch Brothers, remember them, their Political Network said theyre frustrated with the direction of the Republican Party, telling reporters that theyre attempting to rebrand the organization by vowing to be less partisan. One Top Koch Network official told reporters the divisiveness of the white house is causing longterm damage. In response steve bannon told politicalo that the Koch Brothers need to shut up and get with the program and heres the program. Ground game, to support trumps presidency and program and victory on november 6th. Let me go to bra bend brabender. Is this A Real Civil War . Are the money guys saying were not going to help you anymore, mr. President because the cultural stuff is too hot . Lets be clear here. The Koch Brothers never really helped this president financially. 400 million theyre spending this fall. On republican candidates. 400 million. Steve bannon is a true believer. You cant be 80 with the president. You have to be 100 with the president. So steve bannon is saying either
youre with us or youre not. That is the wrong approach. They should find common ground. For example, the tax cuts, which has now created this great economy there it goes. Here it comes. The lowest unemployment by africanamericans and hispanics in our countrys history. Are the type of things that they all agreed on are you pandering to the guy next to you, this africanamerican thing . Let me just ask you this thank you. Does it bother your conscience, john, that people are willing to put up with any embarrassment, moral embarrassment, whatever, by this president , things that would normally turn them off completely if it was a democrat that did it, as long as they get their fat tax cuts, deregulation, they make more money, they dont seem to care about the moral questions. They dont seem to care. This is the paradox of donald trump. Lu say this, please what donald trump he doesnt give me a chance. A lot of people say my god, if hes willing to say that, i trust him when hes going to go to washington and basically kick some butt because theres a lot of people who felt that theyd been left economically behind by democrats and republicans and it
basically took a billionaire for them to say if you look at the predicate for trump, its economic angst is the bogeyman. We all know its tribalism. Right . And if as long as hes their tribal warrior, build that wall, build that wall, theyre going to stick that 44 , 43 , theyre going to stick with him through thick and thin. He can play porn stars left and right. Theyre sticking with him, right . The problem is for the broader Republican Party, who they actually have to win in the suburbs. Thats the problem. Go ahead, elena. Koch, they were able to get their tax cuts. So the key for them is being push the policy platform into tariffs, into trade, into things that theyre concerned about what the president is saying. So this is their way to try and wrangle himself. Its business to them. Oil and gas. They dont like mass transit. They dont like anything. Just lots more oil and gas out filip the round tables sticking with us. Up next comedian Sacha Baron Cohen pranks another politician. Its a republican. And this time the targets alabamas failed Senate Candidate roy moore. Its about, well, weird stuff. Youre going to want to see this. Hes done it again. Youre watching hardball. So to breathe better, i go with anoro. Go your own way copd tries to say, go this way. I say, ill go my own way, with anoro. Go your own way oncedaily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that Work Together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. Anoro is not for asthma. It contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. The risk is unknown in copd. Anoro wont replace Rescue Inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. Tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, high blood pressure, glaucoma, prostate, bladder, or urinary problems. These may worsen with anoro. Call your doctor if you have worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain while taking anoro. Ask your doctor about anoro. Go your own way
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sunday bader was asked what keeps her hopeful. She said the true. Symbol of the United States is not the bald eagle its the pendulum. When it goes very far in One Direction you can count on it swinging back. That was a play about him. Well be right back. Mpoop phone ping gentlemen, i have just received word the louisiana purchase, is complete instant Purchase Notifications from capital one. So you wont miss a purchase large, small, or very large. Technology this helpful. Could make history. Whats in your wallet . Call on me brother when you need a hand
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all. Elena, was he punked or what . He seemed like he sniffed the problem eventually. I think somebody at the roy moore team needs to learn what google is and do a little bit of vetting before they decide to agree to any of these kinds of interviews. But Sacha Baron Cohen struck again with another politician. I immediately thought somewhere Mitch Mcconnells sitting giving a big sigh of relief that that guys not in the u. S. Senate as a republican. Thats a twist. Ill tell you what, though. There is a warning here for republicans and that is theres this blending of politics and entertainment where the democrats are way better at its out there much more than any republican. And this is how youre hitting millennials and generation z. And its a problem for us. But i think there is a good rule for all of us. If youre in your 30s and you have to have somebodys mom if you can take them out on a date its not a good idea to go. Thank you, john. I can never read you entirely. Thank you, elena schneider, Cornell Belcher and john
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for those waiting for the other shoe to drop in this russia probe, we may have just heard it. It was the sound of the president s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, saying theres no law against colluding with the russians. After months of denying that he colluded with putins people, trump has now pulled his line of defense back to deny theres anything wrong with it. Two problems with that one, mr. President. One, it sounds like youre no longer prepared to deny you colluded. Otherwise, why would you be saying all of the sudden that its legal . Second, you now face the problem of the law. You say theres nothing wrong with what you may have done. Tell that to the 12 russians who Special Counsel Mueller has indicted for trying to disrupt and discredit the 2016 president ial election. If they are guilty of their conspiracy, then you could be found guilty for helping them advance it. When the the United States congress impeaches you, mr. President , or the u. S. Senate convicts you or removed you from office, it amounts to history yet to be written. But it appears youre now counting on the public to accept an argument that selling out to the enemy means their standard of an honorable american