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Fundamentalists. there would be conflicts of course, but surely, he, of all people, could convince his congregation and maybe the evangelical community to welcome his new idea, that everyone is saved, that hell as a place after death does not exist. >> so is it really authentically biblical to believe in the hell weve been taught? >> but you dont always get what you wish for. >> my wife and i heard it on television. >> just outside tulsa, carltons home turf, is a fiery old-time pastor named bill...

Hell was real. >> its no different than you running a show and people dont like it and people dont believe it and so they watch another show. its the market. >> once his big church had taken in $60,000 a week. now week by week it slid, $50,000, $30,000, $10,000, then barely $6,000. he couldnt meet the payroll, not a quarter of the payroll. his staff of assistant ministers sent out resumes, found jobs in other churches. to stay with carlton now, many seemed to feel, would be both morally wrong an...

>> but as brother timms and others were quick to point out human weaknesses, like teds, can strike almost anyone. but leading people astray is serious business. to many people, what carlton had done was the fouler deed by far. >> theyre both dangerous. i wouldnt want to be in either one of their shoes. >> where are they headed? >> theyre headed for perdition. theyre headed for hell as sure as there is a hell. >> but they can forgive ted because ted still believes you have to confess christ to be...

Control. a form of religious tyranny. now i consider myself a freedom fighter, trying to get people free from the paranoia and the penalty of following these people who say its our way or the highway. >> and his own religious leaders, his fellow churchmen, were, no surprise, dismayed. >> listen, i love him. he is not qualified to preach in my church. not by the book. not by the book. hes not qualified. >> theyre afraid im going to lead people to hell. theyre afraid that im going to lead people a...

>> but here on earth? >> here on earth. >> but as brother timms and others were quick to point out human weaknesses, like teds, can strike almost anyone. but leading people astray is serious business. to many people, what carlton had done was the fouler deed by far. >> theyre both dangerous. i wouldnt want to be in either one of their shoes. >> where are they headed? >> theyre headed for perdition. theyre headed for hell. >> but they can forgive ted because ted still believes you have to confess...

>> worst, said timms, carltons preaching about hell was downright dangerous was putting people at risk to say the least. >> we have to look at fact the bible says the blind leaders of the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch? the bottom line is, he preached an erroneous message. are we going to believe what jesus says? jesus spoke 12 times more about hell than he did heaven. >> it did not take very long for the message to get around. carltons hero, his father figure, oral roberts, was b...

And i would have said that a few years ago myself. >> but remember up to 6,000 people a week had been faithfully attending carltons services when he preached that hell was real. >> its no different than you running a show and people dont like it and people dont believe it and so they watch another show. its the market. >> once his big church had taken in $60,000 a week. now week by week its $50,000, $30,000. $10,000. then barely $6,000. he couldnt meet the payroll. not a quarter of the payroll. ...

>> i think religion itself is all about control, from the vatican to the pulpits, the high places in the church. it is a matter of authoritative control. a form of religious tyranny. now i consider myself a freedom fighter. trying to get people free from the paranoia and the penalty of following these people who say its our way or the highway. >> and his own religious leaders, his fellow churchmen were, no surprise, dismayed. >> listen, i love him. hes not qualified to preach in my church. not b...

Inclusion. because it included everybody, not just christians or evangelicals or fundamentalists. there would be conflicts of course, but surely, he, of all people, could convince his congregation and maybe the evangelical community to welcome his new idea -- that everyone is saved. that hell is a place after death does not exist. >> so is it really authentically biblical to believe in the hell weve been taught? >> but you dont always get what you wish for. >> my wife and i heard it on televisio...