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Hes not even close to that fact. thats a shame and a disgrace. thats unbelievable, i think. nothing like this happened with the republicans and nixon, and his crimes were less than this. >> and congresswoman before we lose you, the other question i wanted to ask we heard a lot about whether some witnesses have secondhand accounts. theyre saying what they saw and who they talked to, but the president was not always in the room. i wonder if that builds more pressure on the white house in your view...