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Mulvaney, any number of those individuals. >> whats the long play here? >> i think the long play is to, again, exert pressure on the president to put his men up to testify. >> the senates not going to -- its not going to happen in the senate. this is an exercise in futility. >> the president wanted the witnesses to begin with. >> im enjoying this conversation. i want to bring joseph in as well. are you buying any of that? >> look, i think its very clear that nancy pelosi is not the political gen...