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Who need them. >> ezra, as you know the conservative answer to the questions you are asking is, let the market do it. >> yeah, how is that working out for everybody? so, there are a couple of issues there. but youre right, this is a huge problem. is that the government shouldnt take winners and losers and saying in the piece -- that its become cannon, that the government funded cylindrical under the obama administration did not fail. nobody ever talks about that the same program through lifeline...

Helped shepherd through -- schumers been a huge champion on this, a build call in the senate, the peace act. which is a huge bill on spending between 250 billion on the senate side, 350 on the house side, on technology. all those structured around anti-trying to concerns. and they said the big concern to getting enough room is not alluding science, they should be excited to do things like that. whether its a public mission behind science. >> ezra klein, thank you very much for joining us once ag...

Theres things that definitely are doable that we all could agree need fixed. >> ive worked across the aisles. weve worked together. doesnt matter. at the end of the day, those in our system are valued human beings by the gift of god. theyve made mistakes, paying for them. its a money and morale issue. are we doing what we can do redeem folks in there and giving them a chance to have a better life if they get out? we have a build call the redemption act. its bipartisan. weve been working on this....