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They had a tunnel underneath the wall to get around the wall that initially stopped it. clearly it was a deterrent. and then they found the tunnel. i mean, you just debated yourself. you made our point and not yours. >> tunnels in places where there are absolutely zero fepszing. >> they have to get around the construction. what you are saying they have to get around the obstruction by building devices. >> democrats have been saying we want some expansion. we dont want what the president campaign...

The u.s.a.? >> well, you know, brian, i think as we moved away from now almost eight plus years from 9/11 is that the ability for these terrorist organizations much like the taliban and al-queda to be able to carry out some spectacular events has been diminished because of the way weve been able to break up the central commander control. weve seen instances much like we would have seen attempted over christmas day and now here just this past saturday where theyre significant. this would be a dra...