that can make the case tough to prove. so i think the special counsel is in an unusual situation where the evidence he s developed, the witnesses, all of that comes from people in trump s inner circle. unless he gets cooperation from them, gets them willing to testify, it will be difficult for him to prove his case in a court of law. trace: i ll be remiss if i didn t get your take on what is happening on can toll hill. devin archer, not testifying because he wasn t under oath but answering questions before members of congress and staff members. the concept that he came out, tom and said 20 plus times, you have the sitting vice president of the united states on these phone calls with his son, hunter biden, and maybe not all of them but some of them were business associates in foreign countries and he was there to sell the brand. tom? it is shocking to me, trace, what we ve been hering in the initial reports.
blocks about then vice president biden. watch. there were steps that involved president biden that were not allowed to be taken. trace: we re now joined by gary shapley s attorney, mark lytle. great to have you on. i want your take on this. what do you think about this, the conversation that just happened with david spunt here? now democrats saying yeah, he was on the phone with these business associates, but it didn t mean anything. this doesn t mean anything because it was all niceties. devin archer said he was there to sell the brand, and that s a quote. i can say, trace thanks for having me again. gary shapley, supervisory special agent irs, he came forward. he had his red line day when he knew after years of being shut down on investigative steps that it was time to come forward.
how does that serve justice? how does that serve finding and seeking the truth? why is the department of justice involve in such a thing? this seems unprecedented to me. bagmen, bullies and this type of things are things from a banana republic, not the united states of america. this is obstruction of justice is what it is. oh, by the way, trace, since you brought it up in the beginning, the one democrat that sat for the interview with devin archer was also part as a staff attorney for the original trump russia collusion thing with burisma. he knew they were lying at that time. so with all due respect when he talks about they just talked about the weather, 20 times the vice president apparently was on the phone on a speaker phone, on a speaker phone with essentially corrupt people from other countries. you don t even know who is on the other end of the speaker phone. how corrupt is that? how is that not influencing pedalling and how is that not
david, good afternoon. hi, trace. good afternoon. no doubt. here at the department of justice, watching the developments from devin archer over on capitol hill. he s gone now after a more than four-hour transcribed interview with members of that house committee. it s interesting to hear what people are saying that were in the room. democrats are playing down what he had to say regarding ties to joe biden and putting joe biden on speaker phone. even though they admitted that archer did say something. republicans say there s a smoking gun after all. chad pergram, who joined you at the top of the hour, he reported per a source inside the republican party that archer said that joe biden was on the speaker phone with hunter biden over 20 times when he was sitting with business associates. archer also said on the board of burisma according to those that watched the interview today, archer said that hunter used his dad s influence to help sell the brand and democrats as i mentioned town pla
apparently sought to intimidate this witness and look, apparently it s obviously worked out since he sat for a transcribed interview today. what about the other witnesses yet to come that might be on the fence now? trace: let me pause you there. we have live coverage coming out of capitol hill again. watch. okay. we wanted to give it a try just in case you saw devin archer leave from capitol hill from where the inquiry was being held to tell investigator. now we just followed him out to the car. we didn t think he would say something but he might have. go back to your statement, sir. i cut you off mid sentence. the department of justice sent a letter to the congress saying that they wanted this witness to be in jail immediately so they could not testify. i would ask every american listening and watching right now