all right, everyone, it s 4:00 in new york. the extraordinary moment when donald trump went from disgraced, twice impeached, four times indicted ex-president liable for sexual abuse and defamation to suddenly, in an instance, disgraced, convicted, twice-impeached, four times indicted ex-president liable for sexual abuse and defamation. it s just the beginning of the beginning, the start of a long legal odyssey for donald trump. and because the republican party has followed him willingly down to the rabbit hole toward autocracy, the country has to grapple with it as well. having spent the trial in an environment completely out of his control, defendant donald trump will now be subject to the rules, the demands, and the processes of the criminal justice system, just like any other american citizen, who s been convicted of a felony. his right to vote, even on a ballot that bears his name is likely to survive only because of a quirk of the law in his current home state of florida
that can make the case tough to prove. so i think the special counsel is in an unusual situation where the evidence he s developed, the witnesses, all of that comes from people in trump s inner circle. unless he gets cooperation from them, gets them willing to testify, it will be difficult for him to prove his case in a court of law. trace: i ll be remiss if i didn t get your take on what is happening on can toll hill. devin archer, not testifying because he wasn t under oath but answering questions before members of congress and staff members. the concept that he came out, tom and said 20 plus times, you have the sitting vice president of the united states on these phone calls with his son, hunter biden, and maybe not all of them but some of them were business associates in foreign countries and he was there to sell the brand. tom? it is shocking to me, trace, what we ve been hering in the initial reports.
been saying. chad pergram, back to you as the news breaks. now from the house oversight committee, scott perry of pennsylvania. he did not take part in today s interview. he s getting the information that we re getting, maybe more. congressman, thanks for coming on. i want your initial reaction to the breaking news here. devin archer testified i shouldn t say testified. he wasn t under oath. he answered questions saying that more than 20 times that then vice president biden was on the phone with these foreign business people in the capacity where he said repeatedly that he was there to sell the brand said devin archer. hold open, congressman. we have devin archer on the right-hand side of your screen. let s listen in. he s leaving the courtroom right now. are you confident the