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Falling in 2026, and thats just the average. if you are lower and middle income expect to pay more. a 64-year-old making $26,500 would pay 1,7$1,700 for coverag under obamacare, and under the gop plan that plan would be $14,6 $14,600. what does this mean for the uninsured? >> 14 million fewer with insurance next year. what does that look like? 50 million americans were uninsured before obamacare, and with the new plan the uninsured would rise to 15 million, and it would be about 28 million would...

Than the cbo about how many people will be uninsured, so how can you attack the cbo number when your own number is worse? >> because what i am saying is that right now we are -- we truly are in a death spiral in the insurance market, and talk to employers, we saw a 25% increase next year and expecting 25% next year, and the point i am picking is these people that will lose their insurance if they move to the gop plan, no, people will lose their insurance because they cant afford obamacare. i hea...

Another republican who ran the c cbo after you wrote, the cbo is indispensable, but it doesnt always get it right because its forced by law to provide assumptions. fantasy in, fantasy out. is he right? >> well, we all know that certain pieces of legislation cant continue unchanged. for example, social security and medicare are going to run out of money in a decade or two. and cbo has to assume that the payments are going to continue. so there are sort of requirements that adhere to rules that th...

Complexities that go into this. >> so you ran the cbo under a republican president and under a democrat. all of a sudden, it seems like the cbo is getting politicized. even before this number is dropped, you heard the white house and other republicans sort of bad mouthing it, saying they really dont have any legs to stand on in this. did you ever face that when you were heading -- >> oh, certainly. the clinton administration was not very happy with cbos estimate of the clinton/health care bill, ...

People. >> kinzinger, always a pleasure to have you on "new day." thank you. >> you bet. anytime. coming up, president trumps budget director, mick mulvaney is making the rounds to make the case for why the plan is a good plan and why the cbo testing and scoring should not be trusted. poppy? >> he says the cbo got it wrong. the white house, meantime, and several of the presidents cabinet members take issue with the way that this was priced out, essentially. a number of them, what exactly goes ...

Over state lines, whether that will move the needle or not. is it too soon for democrats to say this is a win for us? >> i do think its too soon, but it certainly points in that direction. remember that part two and part three, that the congressmen were talking about require the cooperation of the democrats. and nothing that weve seen so far suggests that thats going to be forthcoming. >> how often would you say, in your five years, almost six years leading the cbo, did you guys get it right? wh...

Stories about the older people that voted for trump who are very low income or sustainable by fixed income and they start not having the ability to get care because its so expensive, thats going to be on you. right now its just politics. secretary price saying the cbo, they shouldnt be in this, and newt gingrich saying get rid of cbo, and the guy running the cbo is prices pick, and the white house estimates, the ones that will not have insurance is 26 million, higher than the cbo estimate. >> i ...

You know, im not sure what information came in -- >> none. >> i think this serves as a -- if i was the president, i would clear this up. it serves a as a major distraction, frankly, for some of the big issues he wants to accomplish and we want to accomplish with him. >> hard to clear it up if theres nothing there. seems to be the bind he is in. lets move on to another issue, the cbo. how damagining is this cbo repo to getting this bill passed in the house? >> obviously, its a big headline. but i...

No, they are estimates. the cbo estimated those that would enroll in obamacare, they were off by about half. >> you had former employers that didnt supply health care, and then you had expansions when they said it was an alternative. thank you, christine, as always. lets discuss this with people that know who they are talking about. he advised president trump during the campaign, and also joining us, chief economists for chase. thank you for being here. the cbo testing, the scoring of this, stev...

Attempting to downplay the impact of this explosive new report up here on capitol hill. the congressional budget office projecting 14 million americans would lose their coverage next year. with 24 million people uninsured by 2026 under the republican health care plan to replace obamacare. >> we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out. >> reporter: the white house denouncing the findings. >> we believe that our plan will cover more individuals a at lower cost and give them the choic...