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Very harshly on what he is doing right now. >> and in fact one of the real victims here may well be, we know that rudy giuliani had brought this conspiracy theories and the president is now repeating them again against the former ambassador to ukraine whose career is basically ruined and she was a stellar ambassador and now apparently going to testify next week. rex tiller is a bson is a big character in your book. what did you find fascinating about his role in. >> when russia intervened to hel...