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intelligence and british intelligence that this thing would be over in a matter of days. the thing that changed it -- now its the weapons coming from the west -- by the things that change in the early days on snake island, when those ukrainians told those russians what they did, was pure gumption. it was pure guts. >> yes, it really was, it really showed us for the first time with the russians were up against. >> yep. >> and why they cannot succeed their. >> thats right. >> thanks, ali...

>> from the beginning, from that first moment when they told the russians what they thought they should do. it was very early on, lawrence, but it gave us insight into what the russian troup somewhat the russian people were going to be like in this war, you will recall, in the early days, we are told by u.s. intelligence and british intelligence that this thing would be over in a matter of days. the thing that changed it -- now its the weapons coming from the west -- by the things that...

When they issued the next day. >> i think you are exactly correct on everything you have said. there is a third way that witnesses can be intimidated. and thats by paying for their lawyers. so, lets not forget that cassidy hutchinson changed lawyers just before she testified. and now has a more independent lawyer. so, if you are the one who is being investigated, and you pay for a witnesses lawyer, that lawyer may not be in conformity with his responsibilities under the ethics code for lawyers, ...