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In all sorts of ways. i its good that brexit happened. so your relationship with the prime minister was already breaking down, then, by august 2020? yes. by summer 2020. why was that and what happened and why did you, then, finally walk out so dramatically in the darkness clutching a cardboard box full of your belongings? what happened ? er... well, it was a mix of things. i think that, first of all, he was fed up with the media portrayal of him being a kind of puppet for the vote leave team. it...

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Are you running again, by the way? >> no. >> okay. but, you need to campaign differently because, you know, you were saying policy doesnt matter, politics did. and donald trump -- look, a lot of people say youre a great -- he was a great campaigner, a bad president. you were a terrible campaigner, you would have been a great president kind of thing. >> yeah. >> but you have to be -- you have to win and not -- >> look, lets put the campaigning stuff on the -- >> dont you have to change? >> i won ...

Getting to people who opposed trump in the primary to go pound sand, from everything from inauguration tickets to lobbying contests. >> thats really going to help them. >> for the last two months, donald trump has been complaining how much hard work it was, this campaigning stuff is. wait until he gets in the office. i think hes going to hate the job. >> jim baker, is he available? anyway, thank you, jay newton small, ken vogel, and chaurs. when we come back, my conversation with jean kennedy sm...

And the congress and there are no cops there. they rely on this campaigning stuff and its not working. we are being governed by people who are not competent. martha: lets listen to barney frank and what hes saying about the new legislation they want to get through now. >> there are going to be penalties -- death penalties, and we will do the minimum thats needed from keeping us from spiralling into a problem. martha: its a mixed message, art. >> it is. martha: we have to bail out these banks or ...