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this whole district in alexandria known as the rocket docket and ellis is pushing them to keep the case moving. in this case ellis thinks it s a matter of fairness, the manafort s not on trial for being rich. putting a pin on that one. appreciate it. joining us, katie benner at the new york times. katie, you have a piece out today looking at the broader effects basically of mueller s digging and visibility of the manafort trial, telling you and your colleague lon byibbyists a hunting for advice, saying the phone rings much more often with this question than it did two years ago. so in a weird way, katie is the manafort trial kind of draining the swamp? it s so interesting, one of mueller s legacies is going to be that he and perhaps not the president is the one who started to drain the swamp. he s uncovered a vast amount of money coming from foreign governments into washington,