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The problem is when you start to use that information as a shield for misconduct. as weve seen, the president has shown a willingness to do here. we talked about kupperman -- charles kupperman to get the name -- >> thank you, elliot. >> but kupperman and bolton, this is going to come up as to where does that case go today and to what extent is the conversation legitimate? there is some privacy but it cannot be a shield of conduct, and thats what the president is trying to do. >> ive interviewed ...