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>> are you? >> yes. going back to what michael said. he did have a lot of skills in the beginning. one of the things he doesnt boast about, his greatest skill is his salesmanship. he can sell ice in the wint tore eskimos. he built his reputation on him selling himself and this deal making thing is a part of that and he has sold himself to people. in looking back at it, well, some deals were good. by launch, most of them were not so good. like the later ones the plaza and the shuttle. >> the casi...

Personality he can somehow make something happen. >> yes, but that owouldnt explain he doesnt want anybody to know what was said. im very worried about that, to be honest. >> are you? >> yes. but going back to what michael said, he did have a lot of skills in the beginning. and one of the things he doesnt boast about, his greatest skill is his salesmanship. he could sell ice in the winter to eskimos. he built his reputation on him selling himself and this dealmaking thing is a part of and he has...

Going to do and how hes going to do it. i think well have a lot more of these awkward moments as he tries to figure out how to become a politician. >> awkward moment is a nice way to say it. what people saw in that debate, again, 23 million of them, saw this, wasnt that donald trump was being hunted by the other candidates. but there was an elevation of the game in that debate. people were coming with heavy artillery of information, of rationales, of policy, of contrasting things, of history. do...

Of different ways. >> the insult that trump had said about carly fiorinas looks and that was brought out in the debate, is that the moment you were talking about? >> for her, that was the moment. you saw other people get under his skin. both carly and jeb went after him on the casino stuff. which he gets very squirrely about. casinos are engineered to take money from stupid people. he should be able to do this easily. they have a history of piling up debt and going bankrupt. he gets agitated abo...

An eventual bill doesnt hurt enterprise? >> if we dont have the guts to clean up an industry that is doing things that are wrong, then we ought to put the vacancy sign on this building. this is a ridiculous notion, let us do whatever we wants for rampant greed or well take our football and go to another country. if thats the case, good riddance. theres plenty of things these investment banks can do that will make them still profitable. the idea that this kind of casino stuff -- this isnt the mea...

Believing. look, the sector was believing and buying into this idea that you could make loans to people who didnt have jobs. anyway, im about to lose -- >> they were getting compensated for it. christines right. they made money off doing bad behavior. a lot of thats not changed. a lot of servicers make money off pushing home owners into foreclosure. thats not beneficial either. >> so christine, do we really need a bill? do we really need reform and what do we need to get out of that reform? >> w...