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But not with 200 tomahawks. >> when you hear the president talk about a limited strike. that sounds shorter than 60 days. how realistic do you think it is? and what is realistic that can be accomplished in that limited period of time? >> it was utter nonsense in my view. we always say, dont talk about intentions. talk about capabilities. this was a fight to the death inside syria. the christians, the kurds will get slaughtered. there is zero possibility of giving up on this struggle. their lives...

Horrendous, we have to realize that tens of thousands, perhaps as many as 100,000 civilian have died. many very deliberately by assad, indiscriminately shelling or bombing in rebel held areas. and he goes after bread lines where people are trying to eat. everything after the clinics and the hospital where they go for medical care. everything after school. there was a horrible incident just last week of dropping incendiary bomb on a school. so thats the problem. and of course, when president obam...

Andrea will be bringing us more coverage at 5:00 p.m. right here on msnbc. now we want the latest from the white house where kristin welker is standing by. >> reporter: thank you. >> as were learning more about how the president made this decision, one of the thing i find interesting is there was consensus among national security team that they did not want to engage congress. where did that shift take place? >> reporter: well, youre right. all signs coming out of the white house in this admin...

Jordan, a country half the sigh of syria, has already taken in ref jaes. that would be like the u.s. taking in 23 million people in the last two years. with an impending threat of escalation, these number are sure to rise. joining me now, executive director for human rights watch. kenneth roth. thank you for joining me. we focused on the use of the chemical weapons, and obviously, it is horrific as we were discussing. the other issue are though who are still trapped within different areas within...

What we try to do, the arab league is not going to come around and support us. the only country that is prepared to do so militarily france. no amount of arm twisting at the g-20 will give angela merkel, the chancellor of germany, to support war ships. what could happen in the worst-case scenario, the president, even if he eeks out a victory here, if he is ham strung in his ability to do this, then in the end, what level of attack can he accomplish the goals that he needs to do, and secondly, wh...

Doesnt believe there should be any military action. they believe they can get 60 votes to cut off debate in the senate. what do you do in the house? we all know thknow that boehnern able to do that. so you have nancy pelosi having to produce enough democrats to help john boehner go through with it. they have to have a ral to go to the floor. they have to agree on the language. youre not talking about anything easy. plus, the president is about to leave on tuesday for the g-20 in where else, russ...

They have also been killing soldiers and eating their hearts. were talking, we dont have good choice and bad choice. all choices are bad there. so the syrian, the free syrian army has to do a lot of reform and they have to tell us what kind of country they want in the future. is it going to be democratic and inclusive country? a liberal country? what kind of country? what is going to happen to the minorities? to the christians? so before blaming president obama, they should look at whats going o...

Responsible. and remember, here, the most important element that will prove whether or not the president can get this vote is not that the chemical weapon attack occurred. but the highly secret intelligence that is still class fade, even though it leaked out. that assads commanders were held, were found to be from the intelligence that we gathered, have ordered the attack. is that going to be sufficient to convince everyone had a already is reluctant to support this. and that this information is...

Chaos in the united states. >> karen, i actually dont think that you want to short circuit that debate. i think that is a core element of the de bait that needs to occur. and i honestly couldnt disagree more with the ambassador. i think the president did the right thing. first, i think he will get approval. i think it will be broad. second, the difficult question is not about the strike. it is about what happens after this round of strikes. if assad continues to be aggressive and use chemical we...