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Hes absolutely right, hes the leader of his base, his base we should say is a cult. there are many other people who are registered republicans, or independents whom i think did before, and will again peel away from him. but he is the leader of a violent, seditionists movement. the fact that elected republicans are unwilling to say this, i think its not only shameful, but a tragedy, and a dire threat to the american republic. >> ruth, as tom said, were not 100 percent clear on this audience, how ...

Attack line as they did on trump because thats basically all theyve been doing for the past few years. he isnt known to make some of the off the cuff, insane -- trump is insanely funny. he just says stuff and captures peoples attention, and he can always make people upset, he doesnt worry about what he says, and desantis isnt like that. >> i dont know if he has the curb appeal, the charisma for some and, i guess, disdain for others. but it is, i think, kat, you hit on the right point, and, tom m...

All India Congress Committee in-charge of Telangana Manickrao Thakre on Saturday lashed out at Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) after the victory of Congress in Karnataka assembly elections and said that the charisma of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is coming to an end.

Have that but he also doesnt have is necessarily the charisma, he basically has the policies in florida, you know, back to you on this, is that enough? >> well, i would say trump, of course, has the sui-generous personality that can be entertaining. he pulled off this massive upset in 2016, but the republicans have suffered three consecutive disappointing elections since then. 2018, 2020, 2022 was effectively a loss at least compared to to what it ought to have been, in my view. whether trump ca...

He couldnt answer whether he would sign an abortion ban. maybe hes on the side of russia. he said lots of crazy things about january six. all of that is true. but he also had commands and that town hall meeting, and he has the evil charisma that people can hate but, it is happening. and hopefully, it was a wake up call for people out there about the reality that this guy is currently on the path to be the nominee, and to maybe, likely, give the president a run for his money. >> yeah, i think you...

Them give any indication he might flip? >> look come all i know is that on tuesday he has his last ditch effort in these arguments for its appeal its the same judge, judge sullivan was part of this panel who reversed his previous exoneration by judge abrams it really is a long shot that he would give him any relief here. i believe im told that he is feeling despondent and really feels betrayed by the joe bidens. i think it some hope up until now that he would get a pardon because after all he re...

And so on . dand so i think that devon thinks its quite unfair thatg hes the one going to jail and having to patoy 40 million dollars in restitution. and hunter biden, as usual , gets off scot free. so he felt that hed been loyal lo and that that the bidens should be loyal in return. so lets see what happens.e what but i think he does have information that certainly would be , as johncert solomonal said , it would be material to any attempt to investigatele joe biden for his role in influence pe...

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You wish for aspect to this? >> i think there is a little bit of that latter part, alex. look, it is hard to navigate out the ideal opponents. a lot of people and of course already in the country knows donald trump. they have a view. it is a little bit remarkable that he has been impeached twice and indicted and he still has a base of support in the republican party. and he does have this version of a charisma about him. so i think that democrats would be -- and maybe he doesnt like donald trump...

They want the elections, got voters to the polls, the hom state. but he does not have the charisma of someone that you would want to be the front runner for the political party i am worried that he is more o a rick perry or jeb bush rings under the bright lights. we might be six months awa from desantis begging an audience to please clap. >> oh, man, what a moment that was. i totally remember that. please clap, please. jason, let me follow u quickly. what did you make that the borough putting fi...